Aquaponics Digest - Wed 01/12/00

Message 1: SSI, a small further note.
 from Bill 

Message 2: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
 from Marc & Marcy 

Message 3: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
 from CAVM

Message 4: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
 from atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)

Message 5: Aquaponics Digest & Rights
 from Bill 

Message 6: Re: Aquaponics Digest & Rights
 from atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)

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Subject: SSI, a small further note.
From:Bill 
Date:11 Jan 00 22:23:34 PST

SSI Notice of 11/19/99. Also, check out the web site at:
.)

*SSI / Union of Concerned Scientists is active in political circles.

ALSO they allow me reprint of some material, but since
eco-active, tho' middle of the road conservative, only
members get certain info.This is a very unusual group,
in that its quality is very top-notch no monkey business.
The 'map' link, for members, allows a recording via a
USC paid 1-800 number, and a password.
I have a bit more, however, I've no wish to spam
and you miss the juicier stuff anyway.
Bill

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Subject: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
From:Marc & Marcy 
Date:Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:28:37 -0700

Bill wrote:
> 
> To:____Aquaponics Members,
> From:__Bill,OOWON@Netscape.net
> Date:__11 Jan.,'00
> Subj.:_Mail Delivery Error

Hi Bill,

Bull crap! Big time bull crap!!

What message are you talking about?

Copyright information must be displayed and must follow a
legal process. I demand the copyright registration
information of the alleged communication, if it exists.

Legally once the cat is out of the bag, even if by error, it
is public and there is no protection as you claim. This is a
public forum. A missent email is a speech about elephants
given at a goat convention because the speaker went into the
wrong room, NOT a mail delivery error.

Shotgun copyright claims are unacceptable. Assumed copyright
is not acceptable. 

 No one on this list server has ANY obligation to you or
Bill Evans or is legally bound by anything you or Bill Evans
wrote or sent.

A "mail delivery error" is an electronic mistake made by the
networking machines and this did not happen. The mistake is
the sender's and the recipient has absolutely no liability. 

I resent your attempt to bind me. Stick it where the sun
doesn't shine.

I am rejecting your claim to US postal service rules
protection and suggest you may be acting illegally in trying
to intimidate list members by claiming protection from the
postal service.

Any postal rules' claims are subject to review by the postal
service including contact by a postal inspector.You may
want to check out the legal ground you claim to be standing
on with an inspector prior to any more intimidation emails.
Should I call one for you to save you time as I am sure
you're a busy person?

This is not the first time you have played the copyright
tune. Are you really trying to protect a communication or
are you trying to stir up interest in something for a
commercial reason and for personal gain?

Marc S. Nameth

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Subject: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
From:CAVM
Date:Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:53:19 EST

In a message dated 1/12/2000 10:33:24 AM Central Standard Time, 
marc@aculink.net writes:

> 
>This is not the first time you have played the copyright
>tune. Are you really trying to protect a communication or
>are you trying to stir up interest in something for a
>commercial reason and for personal gain?
>
>Marc S. Nameth
>

I don't recall seeing any such misdirected email.I am the only one who is 
not in on the slip up?

C. Van Milligen

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Subject: Re: Mail Delivery Error - Missent
From:atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)
Date:Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:14:14 -0800

Please keep this type of commentary off list. Send the message directly to
the person.

It detracts from the main purpose of the list.

David A

At 09:28 AM 01/12/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Bill wrote:
>> 
>> To:____Aquaponics Members,
>> From:__Bill,OOWON@Netscape.net
>> Date:__11 Jan.,'00
>> Subj.:_Mail Delivery Error
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>Bull crap! Big time bull crap!!
>
>What message are you talking about?
>
>Copyright information must be displayed and must follow a
>legal process. I demand the copyright registration
>information snip .... snip ...

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Subject: Aquaponics Digest & Rights
From:Bill 
Date:12 Jan 00 18:29:22 PST

[Again, I reply semi-blind, as my Aquaponics Digest will
arrive in a few hours.]

>Hi Bill,
Bull crap! Big time bull crap!!

*You have a certain, je ne se paux with words.

>What message are you talking about?

*Message 4

>Copyright information must be displayed and must follow a
legal process. I demand the copyright registration
information of the alleged communication, if it exists.

*You are not aware, but you already received it.
In brief: B0012153547

>Legally once the cat is out of the bag, even if by error,
 it is public and there is no protection as you claim.

*The present reading has changed long ago... although
this is more true in other countries, here it has
stiffened yet more.In much more distant US History,
you would be partially correct

>This is a
public forum. A missent email is a speech about elephants
given at a goat convention because the speaker went into the
wrong room, NOT a mail delivery error.

*But this is what happened.A letter was stuffed into
the wrong envelope, and a competitor discovered what
I am doing with your wife.

> Shotgun copyright claims are unacceptable. Assumed
copyright is not acceptable.

*Agreed.This is not assumed, publication, esp in open
forum, asserts same.

>No one on this list server has ANY obligation to you or
Bill Evans or is legally bound by anything you or Bill Evans
wrote or sent.

*True.Rather the law binds you to the opposite, to what was unitentiona=
lly
sent.It's rather like "unwitting"(leagl term)
receipt of stolen property, now equated with lost property.

*'Lose your car in the parking lot?It gets stolen?
You find it?Sorry.Belongs to Him...'

> A "mail delivery error" is an electronic mistake made by the
networking machines and this did not happen. The mistake is
the sender's and the recipient has absolutely no liability.

>I resent your attempt to bind me. Stick it where the sun
doesn't shine.

*I resent 'Roadside Spot Checks' as 'Search w/o a Warrent.'
I am still subject to law.The courts in fact declared it unconstitution=
al,
but declared it would be supported.
Until sucessfully fought, the Law Enforcement Branch
will support it.So tell it to your representative.
Not the Charmin distributor.

> I am rejecting your claim to US postal service rules
protection and suggest you may be acting illegally in trying
to intimidate list members by claiming protection from the
postal service.

> Any postal rules' claims are subject to review by the postal
service including contact by a postal inspector. You may
want to check out the legal ground you claim to be standing
on with an inspector prior to any more intimidation emails.
Should I call one for you to save you time as I am sure
you're a busy person?

*Thank you for your magnamimous offer.I have been in
touch with them on both coasts (there are two OPGs)on
prior matters.This issue they were involved with,
but due to the electronic communication issues, it
transends them and now, even the FCC, and includes
fair trade.

> This is not the first time you have played the copyright
tune. Are you really trying to protect a communication or
are you trying to stir up interest in something for a
commercial reason and for personal gain?
Marc S. Nameth

*It has caused graet discomfiture for others than those
which have been heretofore mentioned.Thankfully, to
some alleviation, (although they were also legally
bound) they have come forth and declared themselves.
This does not reduce the issue at all for any of
the parties, but rather complicates it in a way
neither would truely desire.

*Protection, of myself, of others, is all.I hold
the only concealed permit for "Public Protection"
known by the Washington Issuing Senior Officer
in his 20 year Captaincy.I care, and not just
about myself.I have volonteered my services to
non-profit agencies, the local constabularies, met
with the FBI to expose federal theft of Star Wars
components I discovered while researching in a database
(to which I was supposed to not be able to enter
normally,) and have instrructed employers regarding
theft of Microsoft Software, which employees thought
they could "borrow."

*I can defend myself, generally, unless blindsided.
I take advantage of you in any way.However, should
I see you in a position to be potentially taken
advantage of, I will not stand by, idley, I will
mention 'one of the dimes you're exchanging for a
quarter, is worth big bucks.I'm a square guy.
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>and a post from C.Van Milligen:
>I don't recall seeing any such misdirected email.
>I am the only one who
is not in on the slip up?C. Van Milligen

*Unless you were in a position to be aware that
"my sleeping with 'Betty Mae'" meant a business coup,
you would not notice.

*This is another problem, altho' perhaps it serves to
edify many regarding the general subject areas of right
to privacy in communication and in copyright, it bothered
(intruded upon) many who hadn't the slightest idea of what
took place.One suggested to just be quiet, not raise
attention.I disagreed, and was shown to be correct.
Some, immeadiately picked up on it.Again, they knew
the requirement to announce[themselves as having
received proprietary information inadvertently] and
did so.They are "Pros."This groups does have the
best I've met, probably in all groups I have been,
except mine, of course! :>)

*I have been steeped in this, having been so long in
Silicon Valley R&D, and on the net when it was ARPANet.
I have visited the patent office, and was not a tourist.
One, (office of the two) is near me.

*While not a lawyer, I have tutored law students, and
have an intuitive grasp. The rest, I must be 'up' on.

*Now, let's talk aquaponics, including that new sushi bar
which we have been advised by a very respected member,
IS 'On Topic.'Other?Dial me direct.Thanks.

Respectfully and as a friend,
Bill OWON@Netscape.net

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Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest & Rights
From:atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)
Date:Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:26:01 -0800

Hi,

Once again,

Please refrain from this type of dialogue on the list.If you must have
dialogue on the issue, do so off the list directly to the original sender.
It detracts from the purpose of the list AQUAPONICS and such the like.NOT
COPYRIGHT etc,.. etc,

I must ask the list moderator to remind the group of the netiquette
involved.It costs me money to download these messages and then realize I
am unable to benefit.PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, .. keep those discussions
off this list.

DAVID A.

Original post: ??

At 06:29 PM 01/12/2000 PST, you wrote:
>[Again, I reply semi-blind, as my Aquaponics Digest will
>arrive in a few hours.]
>
>>Hi Bill,
>Bull crap! Big time bull crap!!
>
>*You have a certain, je ne se paux with words.
>
>>What message are you talking about?
>
>*Message 4
>
>>Copyright information must be displayed and must follow a
>legal process. I demand the copyright registration
>information of the alleged communication, if it exists.
>
>*You are not aware, but 

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