Aquaponics Digest - Mon 02/07/00
Message 1: pH solution
from Tony Cooper
Message 2: Re: pH solution
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 3: Re: pH solution
from "Jay Myers"
Message 4: Re: pH solution
from Marc & Marcy
Message 5: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
from "TGTX"
Message 6: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
from "KevinLReed"
Message 7: Steve's Welcome
from "Melisa Wennerholm"
Message 8: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 9: Re: About me
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 10: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from "TGTX"
Message 11: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 12: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from "TGTX"
Message 13: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from "TGTX"
Message 14: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from Robert W Arnold
Message 15: Re: pH solution
from "H. Allen Sylvester"
Message 16: Re: introductions
from Jennifer Maynard
Message 17: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from Marc & Marcy
Message 18: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from Marc & Marcy
Message 19: Re: S&S System
from sbriber
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Subject: pH solution
From: Tony Cooper
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:38:05 -0800
Hi,
The pH meter i have uses a storage solution [or 'sleep solution'] to
keep it hydrated, which has to be imported. I am trying to find a
locally available replacement and am thinking of saline drip solution or
distilled water with a little glycerin added.
Does anyone know if either of these would be suitable or recommend some
other formulation?
Thanks
Tony Cooper
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Subject: Re: pH solution
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 07:18:55 -0500
> The pH meter i have uses a storage solution [or 'sleep solution'] to
> keep it hydrated, which has to be imported. I
I think you'd probably need to check with the manufacturer, but probably
distilled water would work just fine.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: pH solution
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:44:33 -0600
Distilled water probably OK - Deionized water better. Call you local
Culligan water folks - they can tell you who has a DI water set-up. They
would probably give you all you need.
Jay
Subject: pH solution
>Hi,
>The pH meter i have uses a storage solution [or 'sleep solution'] to
>keep it hydrated, which has to be imported. I am trying to find a
>locally available replacement and am thinking of saline drip solution or
>
>distilled water with a little glycerin added.
>Does anyone know if either of these would be suitable or recommend some
>other formulation?
>
>Thanks
>Tony Cooper
>
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Subject: Re: pH solution
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:44:37 -0700
Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The pH meter i have uses a storage solution [or 'sleep solution'] to
> keep it hydrated, which has to be imported. I am trying to find a
> locally available replacement and am thinking of saline drip solution or
>
> distilled water with a little glycerin added.
> Does anyone know if either of these would be suitable or recommend some
> other formulation?
>
> Thanks
> Tony Cooper
If you choose to go with deionized water there are
inexpensive DIcartridges that fit in the standard water
filter housings (2-1/2" by 10") that are under a hundred
dollars. Ametek and others make them.
Marc
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Subject: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:45:51 -0600
> Has any one out there dealt with this plant and is there any
> information? .
Robert, here is some info on Noni
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=10441776&form=6&db=m
&Dopt=b
and at http://www.bigislandnoni.com/
and at http://www.nonuinc.com/
Interesting plant. Beautiful plant. Beautiful name...Noni...Noni..
Gotta try to grow this one. Heck, if I can grow papaya, mangos, and
pineapple in the greenhouse I should be able to grow this one. Let us know
what you find out about culturing it.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
From: "KevinLReed"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:50:46 -1000
Aloha Robert,
If Noni is the same one they call Noni here the fruit is used to make an
expectorant like cough remedy. They put the fruit which looks like a hard
green small breadfruit with smooth skin into something like a sun tea jar
and let it ferment until it is medicine. Is this what you are interested in?
Kevin
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From: "Robert WALKER"
To: "aquaponics"
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
> Hello,
>
>
> I have just heard about a fruiting plant which supposedly has
> great "healing" potential - or preventive capabilities!?
>
> The name is NONI or Morinda Citrifolia.
>
> Has any one out there dealt with this plant and is there any
> information? If it does half of what it says it can then it
> sounds like a good potential crop.
>
> Any information would be great.
>
>
> Robert
>
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Subject: Steve's Welcome
From: "Melisa Wennerholm"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:32:05 -0800
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Hi
Sorry if I made you mad steve. I am not sure where you got the idea I =
was down on aquaculture, I am not. My spelling is bad sorry again, hope =
I can still be in your group.
Thanks for the warm welcome
Don
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again, hope I can still be in your group.
Thanks for the warm welcome
Don
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Subject: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:21:39 -0500
> > The name is NONI or Morinda Citrifolia.
Somebody is putting some serious coin behind marketing Noni - I think it
might be an MLM situation. I even picked up a NONI flyer a few days ago
at the pet supply shop. The whole flyer was directed at the health
benefits of Noni for pets.
The flyer says it is Polynesian, comes from Morinda Citrifolia. "Mature
noni bushes can grow to between 15 and 20 feet tall and they bear fruit
year-round." I suspect they buy the product for nothing - the money is
picked up at the marketing end.
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Subject: Re: About me
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:44:08 -0600
At 09:23 PM 02/06/2000 -0800, Don wrote:
>HI
> About 7 Years ago I Started studying aquaculter at a collage in Northern
California. I lived in LA and had to Fly back and forth ever 10 days or so.
My background before this was Alarms I owned a burglar and fire alarm
company, however I loved to grow food mostly the "normal Way" in the
ground. Had fooled with Hydro. A little but at that time there was little
being done organically in the area, so I stayed in the ground. Sooo when
studying Aquaculture in school learning about the nitrate/nitrite trouble.
Plant filtering seemed like a very good filter with a added benefit of food.
One of my projects in school was a small scale green house set up that work
OK . To make a long story endless we moved to northern to prosper in
aquaculter lost our butts and now I am back in the alarm Biss. and fooling
around with Aquaponics.
>That's my Story I like this group so far lots of good in put
>
>Thank You
>
>Don
Don - glad to have you on the list. Sometimes most of our new subscribers
are coming from a hydroponics background, so it's good to see some new
aquaculture backgrounds to help balance us out.
Business failures are not a new item, at least to many of us; but we're glad
your planning to use your training (and obviously your passion) to restart.
It would probably take months to discuss all the false starts and flops in
the various businesses represented by just our group of over 360 members.
And sometimes it's best to skip the hard part and move on to what does work.
Hope that aquaponics will be the key to your success.
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:22:26 -0600
>
> Again, I would take exception to any statement that says a risk is
> completely avoided by some method or other.... especially when it comes to
> microbial or food pathogen risks. Hydroponic solutions are rich in
> nutrients.... and bacteria like nutrients.
Adriana, Dale, and other hydroponic affectionados.....
I hope I can clarify the above in case it sounded like I thought hydroponics
is hazardous. Obviously it is not.
It has risks like anything else, but I do not regard it or most other forms
of agriculture hazardous to health...generally speaking...(big picture
here).... things with small health risks do not constitute hazards in
Teddy's book.
Driving an automobile is hazardous.....the statistics speak for themselves.
Eating food has risks, but in the country I live in, it is not hazardous,
generally speaking. Food processing, handling and packaging has hazards,
but the overall product quality of the food industry in this country at
least results in relatively low risks. It is much more risky and hazardous
to eat lots of calories and fatty foods over the span of decades than the
risks and hazards posed by serious food-borne microbes over the same span of
time.
So, in case anyone might have misunderstood me, I think hydroponics is a
great way to grow food. I think it is intriguing and facinating, and I
think the produce that comes out of hydroponic production systems generally
speaking is safe and nutritious. I just like growing fish so much that I
have to admit my preferences for aquaponics...also not hazardous if done
properly...but with it's own set of risks just like everything else.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:33:40 -0500
> Adriana, Dale, and other hydroponic affectionados.....
> I hope I can clarify the above in case it sounded like I thought hydroponics
> is hazardous. Obviously it is not.
Ted, it's not that I prefer hydroponics over aquaponics. I just can't
handle being on duty 24 hours a day...7 days a week is tough enough.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:30:49 -0600
> Ted, it's not that I prefer hydroponics over aquaponics. I just can't
> handle being on duty 24 hours a day...7 days a week is tough enough.
>
> Adriana
10-4 on that, good buddy. There ARE optimal solutions to all this labor
versus results thing. They are out there. All we have to do is create them
by hard labor and trial and error, serendipity, random chance, and bloody
good luck in the next 4 or 5 decades.
Then we get to go play on the beach.
Ciao.
Tedzo
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Subject: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:00:39 -0600
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This has little to do with aquaponics, except to testify that we can =
accomplish other agricultural efforts in conjunction with aquaponics in =
the overall small farm plan and along the lines of the"integrated =
approach" which I am a big fan of.
Tonight I finished the latest in a series of chicken tractors, the =
prototypes of which began for me back about a decade or more ago. With =
great inspirational and graphically illustrated help courtesy of Marc =
and Marcy, (you gotta see their website folks, it is way cool)... I =
took notes and added a few spins of my own and just now floated a =
hansome 10' x10' shiny, etheric, ultraterrestrial object over to the =
chickens, right beside their current condominum. I said "We gonna build =
some new apartments for y'all" ala B.B. King, and I swear I thought I =
heard poultry applause, but it could have been the fatigue setting in. =20
"It is a Good Thing, Little Big Man", I said to myself on behalf of the =
chickens. So, THANKS! to Marc and Marcy....I plan to build 2 or 3 or =
more of these, and now I have a much better design in mind that I can =
build even better, easier, and faster than this last one. These are =
basically air craft frames....A Hindenburg for Hens..A Blimp for =
Banties! I am pumped! Things are starting to happen around here!
To segway back to aquaponics...I plan to "integrate" the aquaculture =
solids that I periodically harvest from the greenhouse...along with the =
scrap veggies that I don't throw to the fish... with the whole 1 acre =
plot I have going here. I will pull the chicken tractor in a very =
elongated oval path and lay the fish solids down well ahead or behind =
them. I will plant a mixed forage crop on top of the (very dilute) fish =
waste slurry and let that grow up to a lush foliage over a period of =
about 6 to 8 weeks before I bring the chickens over the top. On the =
outside and in the middle of the oval, I plan to have blackberry canes, =
figs, persimmons, plums, pears, and other goodies. I have been waiting =
to do this ever since I read about chicken tractors in "Radical =
Agriculture" back in 1975. Tomorrow night we will see if the =
ultraterrestrial chicken tractor can withstand the onslaught of the =
coyote pack that prowls the perimeter of Mi Ranchito.
What do y'all think?
Tedzo
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ago. =20
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help courtesy of=20
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cool)... I=20
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greenhouse...along with the scrap veggies that I don't throw =
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solids=20
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on top of=20
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top. =20
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waiting to=20
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Agriculture" back=20
in 1975. Tomorrow night we will see if the ultraterrestrial =
chicken=20
tractor can withstand the onslaught of the coyote pack that prowls the =
perimeter=20
of Mi Ranchito.
What do y'all think?
Tedzo
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Subject: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: Robert W Arnold
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:19:30 -0600
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>courtesy of Marc and Marcy, (you gotta see their website folks, it is way
cool)...
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Would someone please post the URL? I would love to check it out!!
Thanks,
Robert
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Subject: Re: pH solution
From: "H. Allen Sylvester"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:48:36 -0600
Tony,
Many pH meter electrodes are stored in saturated KCl (potassium
chloride) solution. Storing such electrodes in water of any type or
purity will damage them eventually. If you have the manual for the
electrode, it ought to give that info.
Allen
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Subject: Re: introductions
From: Jennifer Maynard
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:53:55 -0400
Marc, Did you study at Mac Donald College of McGill University from
19777 to 1979? You rname bings a bell.
LABERGE MARC wrote:
>
> Hello all, My name is Marc Laberge I live up in Quebec near Mont Tremblant
> a sort of Whistler resort on the east side of Canada ). While finishing off
> my BSc at McGill University I had a chance to work with recirc systems for
> many years in our lab, while becoming a fish parasitologist specialist. I
> managed one of Quebec's largest fish farms , long enough to see the drastic
> effects of fish farm effluent on what once was a beautiful lake 1 hour north
> of Ottawa.
> I also worked with the Cree community of northern Quebec for many years
> conducting commercial fishery pilot projects determining quantity and
> quality of fish belonging to the native communities.
> On one hand I saw the nutrient rich waters of a fish farm being given to
> algae in the lake and on the other hand I saw how fresh vegetables are so
> hard to come by in the northern communities.
> I am presently renting a house on a pay-per-inch fish farm belonging to one
> of my ex-students. I have built a lab and am presently working on achieving
> a balance between speckled trout , bacteria growth and lettuce/ fine herbs
> crop . I use many of the tilapia equations which I must modify for trout and
> bacteria at 15C (60F ). I am still analyzing markets and risk factors before
> starting up a 12 tone commercial pilot project on this farm.
>
> I am still amazed at how knowledge can be so quickly passed on via great
> people and internet, thank you.
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Subject: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:31:11 -0700
Here it is:
http://www.aculink.net/~marc/
Robert W Arnold wrote:
>
> snip
> >courtesy of Marc and Marcy, (you gotta see their website folks, it is way
> cool)...
> snip
>
> Would someone please post the URL? I would love to check it out!!
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
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Subject: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:55:45 -0700
..snip..
> Tomorrow night we will see if the
> ultraterrestrial chicken tractor can withstand the
> onslaught of the coyote pack that prowls the perimeter of
> Mi Ranchito.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Tedzo
>
Did you include the Claymores?
Marc :>
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Subject: Re: S&S System
From: sbriber
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:11:12 -0800
Paula- Just wanted to check to see if you have received the purchase order from
my high school district (East Side Union H.S. Dist.) for the purchase of the S& S
System
info. It was supposed to be sent out on 1/26/00. Would you let me know when the
material gets sent out so I can keep a look out for it on this end? Thank you-
Stuart Briber
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