Aquaponics Digest - Tue 02/08/00
Message 1: Re: Introductions
from "Steve"
Message 2: Re: Introductions
from William Evans
Message 3: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 4: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 5: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: re: introduction
from laberge@cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Message 7: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 8: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 9: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from Bertmcl
Message 10: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 11: Heating
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
from Jennifer Maynard
Message 13: Re: Heating
from Marc & Marcy
Message 14: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from MUDDTOO
Message 15: WOW
from "Michael Merriken"
Message 16: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
from "TGTX"
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Subject: Re: Introductions
From: "Steve"
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:52:35 -0600
I have trouble sending messages to townsquare. They are usually returned by
mail server. This is a Test. Let me know if you receive this.
Thanks......Steve
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From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Introductions
> > Where's local? What's your market and what kind of fish?
>
> I have grown Tilapia in a warm climate. I encourage you to try Tilapia,
> because I think you can keep them warm just about wherever you are. This
is
> not an insurmountable problem. Just build in thermal mass, insulation,
and
> back up heat into the greenhouse design equation.
>
> > >2) Stock fingerlings and feed them for 12 months to a harvest size
>
> > Would the recommended way be to stock each tank
> > with the 250 fingerlings at the same time? I mean,
> > you wouldn't want to put little ones in with bigger ones
> > and then try and dip out just the big ones to harvest,
> > right? The later might *extend the paycheck*. :-)
>
> Again, D., I just fired this off the top of my head. Certainly you may
wish
> to stagger stock your crop. You also want to do that with your vegetables
> or produce in the growing beds. Let's say you have 2 1000 gallon tanks.
> Perhaps you stock 250 fingerlings in tank 1 in January, and 250
fingerlings
> in tank 2 in June....you will have to work that out. I would not
recommend
> stocking fingerlings in with half grown fish all swimming together.
Perhaps
> some suspended cages for the little guys and girls for 6 months. Don't
let
> them get too crowded, but you would be impressed with the fish density you
> can acheive with either Tilapia or Catfish in a well run, highly oxgenated
> aquaponics system. I chose to use 0.25 lbs per gallon as a baseline for
> you.
>
> >
> > >5) Assume feed to conversion ratio (FCR) is about 2 to 1.
> >
> > How much of an assumption is that? Is that a norm for
> > catfish?
> >
> Oh, you might get 1.5 to 1....some report even better for greenwater
culture
> of Tilapia for example, but I would assume 2 to 1 or even 2.5 to 1. Start
> with a conservative estimate, so that you can be happily "surprised" when
> you do even better. If your waste removal and oxygenation is inadequate,
> then you will "hit a wall" in the growth curve and you will not get those
> fish past 0.5 lbs per fish
>
> > >6) That means 2 lbs fish food results in 1 lb whole carcass fish flesh
in
> > 12
> > >months.
> > >7) Assume cost of feed is $0.30/ lb (high end of price spectrum).
> > >8) Feed cost for 1 year = 2lb/lb x 250 lb x $0.30/lb = $150.
> >
> > Someone told me once that you can feed out catfish
> > on not much more than just cornmeal. Is that so?
>
> Sure, you can be creative and innovative in what you feed your fish. I
have
> tried many things. I would still rely on the convenience and "complete"
> formula of commercial feed.
> Again, I assumed you would use expensive pelleted feed for a complete
diet.
> My pellets averaged around 24 cents a pound, but that was because I was
> buying in 50 lb bag quantities, rather than ordering bulk and having to
> accomodate for long term temperature controlled feed storage, the cost of
> feed storage space, the construction and maintenance of pest control and
> losses due to waste, etc. You might find feed in a complete diet pellet
as
> low as 12 cents a pound, but, again, put a fudge factor on your
assumptions.
>
> > >9) Assume 500 ft^2 greenhouse to do this.
> > >10) Assume 200 ft^2 growing bed of gravel, perlite, NFT,what have you.
> >
> > I think with 500 ft^2, I'd probably have 400 ft^2 of growing bed.
> > Sounds strange, huh? Well....you see I live on steep hillsides.
> > My GH will have to be terraced inside. Sound ridiculous, right?
> > Okay, spare my feelings, let's go on...:-)
> >
> No, not ridiculous at all. I just came up with a rough estimate of 200
ft^2
> for a grow bed size for a 1000 gallon tank and assumed you would want some
> comfort and convenience of walking around the fish tank and growing beds.
> Again, I assumed this was a hobby or home aquaponics system, so I figured
> some luxury in space...an environment you can walk around in and just
> breathe in the sense of satisfaction, or sigh over the sense of
> responsibility and committment....depending on your perspective after you
> have built this.
>
> > >11) Assume 0.20 -0.50 lbs edible "produce"/ ft^2 / month(28-35 days)
> > >12) Think about the range of $1 to $10 / ft^2 to build your 500 ft^2
> > >>inventiveness, etc..so let's go with $5 / ft^2, which is still WAY
high
> in
> >
> > We've got under a dollar / ft^2 in my little 8x8, but it
> > doesn't have hydro in it.
>
> Yes, you can build almost any kind of structure, but I assume you also
want
> heaters, fans, perhaps evaporative coolers, water supply, electrical
> circuits for lights and pumps, grow bed structures, fish tank(s),
plumbing,
> perhaps flooring of some kind, etc.
>
> > >13) Assume $100/mo energy+water+debt service+consumables for the 500
ft^2
> >
> > Ouch! But a necessary burden to bear, I guess.
>
> Again, this is pulling numbers out of the air. A wood stove can help.
> Insulation and greenhouse design can help reduce energy costs. Just know
> that there is always something that pulls money out of your pocket on a
> recurrent basis that we can call expense or the cost of doing business,
even
> if you are not doing this to go into "business". Even an aquarium hobby
has
> expenses associated with it, if you want to keep things going, or
especially
> if you decide to turn your house into wall to wall aquariums...God help
me.
>
> > >The answer might be something like this:
> > >1) 250 lbs of catfish/year which might be valued by you at $3.00/lb, or
> >
> > What's the market? I mean, do you usually sell at a local market,
> > restaurants, individuals, a wholesaler, etc.? Do you sell whole,
> > live or dressed?
> >
> I assumed you were the consumer. Sorry if I misunderstood, or if that is
> not your plan.
> Local Oriental Markets like live Tilapia delivered live in water tanks.
> This is problematic. Some folks like to come out to the farm and buy the
> fish right on the spot.
> MY ADVICE IS : DO NOT CONSIDER PROCESSING YOUR FISH IN ANY WAY IF YOU ARE
A
> SMALL SCALE FISH FARMER WHO WANTS TO SELL HIS FISH.
> Fresh whole fish on ice would be as far as I would go down that road...and
I
> mean fresh...like less than 3 hours out of the live tank. The reason for
> that is this: The moment you cut, scale, skin, filet, gut or otherwise
> process a fish for sale to the public, you become a seafood processor and
> subject to regulation by the Food and Drug Administration. Not my idea of
a
> nice stroll in the park.
>
> In fact, the FDA would likely consider just washing and packing the whole
> fish on ice as "processing", so if I were you I would consider the
Oriental
> Markets for live sales, or having a local chef come out to your farm
> periodically for live sales, that sort of thing.
>
> > >2) 400 lbs of edible produce/year which you might value at
$3.00/lb..etc.
> >
> > Is this number pulled out of the air or based on experience?
> > $3./lb. seems kind of high to me, but then, I don't know a thing
> > about it! I've only seen the grocery consumer side of it. :-)
>
> Depends on what you grow and how much and how consistently (ie., do you
want
> to take a break every so often, do you want to go to the lake cabin or the
> beach for a couple of weeks or stop doing the greenhouse thing for....the
> summer...or the winter...you should ask yourself these kinds of things
> before starting). Mesculn salad greens can sell wholesale at anywhere
from
> $3.00 /lb on up. I have sold salad greens to some customers for $8.00/lb
> just because it was so good, so fresh, so healthy, so tasty, and because I
> am so cute and such a nice young man. Grandma really didn't have to pay
> that much, but who can argue with a stubborn 80 year old sweetheart on a
> Mission from God? Of course, she secured an endless supply of FREE salad
> greens from that point on... after only a small amount of mock resistance
> that she simply couldn't take it for free.
>
> > >"loss".....but it should "pay" for itself.....within 4
years...depending
> on
> >
> > To tell you the truth, except for some kind of multi-level marketing
> > scheme, or something like that, I don't know of too many businesses
> > that would pay for themselves in 4 years. Am I wrong?
>
> Well, yes it can happen. Depends on the debt load from capital investment
> up front, economies of scale, and a million other factors....My advice is
> start small. Start cheap. Scrounge and salvage and take it easy. Don't
> get burned out. And don't go into a partnership. Let it be your own
> creation rather than design and operation by committee. Period. Present
> company accepted. Here we can collaborate and share some information.
>
> Again, I guess I just tried to introduce the idea of a home operation. I
> would not go into "business" with only 1 1000 gallon tank and 1 200 ft^2
> grow bed. I have designed and operated a couple of systems...ranging from
> small to medium size (1500 ft^2 on the small end, 8500 ft^2 on the medium
> end...Gordon Creaser and others have designed and operated systems that
are
> FAR, FAR larger, so my experience doesn't even show up on their radar
> screen...) Each of the aquaponics systems I have been involved with so far
> had way too many people involved in the process, or perhaps the wrong
> initial set of circumstances and mixtures of personalities, etc., so I am
> going for my next system solo...nobody else but me, myself and I.
>
> My next system will be a 3000 ft^2 greenhouse with about 4000 gallons of
> Tilapia culture and another 5000 to 10,000 gallons to play with for
> ornamental fish, crustaceans, and things that go bubble and bump in the
> night...and about 2000 ft^2 of grow beds for various things ranging from
> salad greens to water garden ornamental plants to landscape plants. I am
> going to take it easy for a while. But then, that's just me.
>
> > >entertainment/novelty, or how DESPARATE you are to grow the product for
> >
> > I worked in a plastics plant for 21 years, then got sold
> > to a company with what I considered poor work ethics.
> > I walked away from a very much above average
> > income for my area, because I hated it so much
> > and because I wanted to be HOME. Home for
> > me is where my horses, goats, donkeys, dogs,
> > hills and GARDEN are.
> >
>
> I'm with you D. Home is where the heart is.
> Leave enough room in that greenhouse for a picnic table and a hammock.
>
> Ted
>
>
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Subject: Re: Introductions
From: William Evans
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:02:35 -0800
Steve wrote:
>
> I have trouble sending messages to townsquare. They are usually returned by
> mail server. This is a Test. Let me know if you receive this.
> Thanks......Steve
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Subject: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 06:02:59 -0600
At 08:33 PM 02/07/2000 -0500, Adriana wrote:
>
>> Adriana, Dale, and other hydroponic affectionados.....
>> I hope I can clarify the above in case it sounded like I thought hydroponics
>> is hazardous. Obviously it is not.
>
>Ted, it's not that I prefer hydroponics over aquaponics. I just can't
>handle being on duty 24 hours a day...7 days a week is tough enough.
>
>Adriana
Sorry, could you explain this to me? Do you you assume that an aquaponics
system requires 24 hour-a-day attention, or at least requires any more time
checking the "nutrient" (fish) tank than your hydroponics nutrient tank?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 07:27:02 -0500
> Sorry, could you explain this to me? Do you you assume that an aquaponics
> system requires 24 hour-a-day attention, or at least requires any more time
> checking the "nutrient" (fish) tank than your hydroponics nutrient tank?
Yes, Paula I do. It's not active hands-on 24-hour intensive care, but
there need to be certain safeguards(alarms, back-ups, etc) in your
system and somebody needs to be available to take corrective action.
When a pump dies, or there's a power failure or fish develop ich(sp?)
you had better respond QUICKLY or you're faced with the lovely task of
disposing of many pounds of dead fish. In contrast, in hydroponics, at
least mine which has perlite which acts as a nutrient reservoir, you
have a 12-24 hour window to respond in case of trouble. The nutrient
needs to be checked once a day. At a minimum you need to feed your fish
3 x a day or in the case of an automatic feeder have someway of being
alerted in case of malfunctions.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:13:43 -0600
At 07:27 AM 02/08/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Sorry, could you explain this to me? Do you you assume that an aquaponics
>> system requires 24 hour-a-day attention, or at least requires any more time
>> checking the "nutrient" (fish) tank than your hydroponics nutrient tank?
>
>Yes, Paula I do. It's not active hands-on 24-hour intensive care, but
>there need to be certain safeguards(alarms, back-ups, etc) in your
>system and somebody needs to be available to take corrective action.
>When a pump dies, or there's a power failure or fish develop ich(sp?)
>you had better respond QUICKLY or you're faced with the lovely task of
>disposing of many pounds of dead fish. In contrast, in hydroponics, at
>least mine which has perlite which acts as a nutrient reservoir, you
>have a 12-24 hour window to respond in case of trouble. The nutrient
>needs to be checked once a day. At a minimum you need to feed your fish
>3 x a day or in the case of an automatic feeder have someway of being
>alerted in case of malfunctions.
>
>Adriana
Adriana - What I "hear" you saying is that these are the "required"
safeguards and "accepted" necessities for an aquaponics system from someone
who has experience in the field. But as with any business operation, there
are many variables that will affect these requirements.
Of course it's always best to have someone on-site available to respond in
case of malfunctions, and I heard a very successful conventional greenhouse
grower with many years experience say that the key to his success was that
the last thing to leave his operation every night was his shadow. I think
personal involvement is necessary for the success of any business. All that
aside, there are ways to make aquaponics more "owner friendly" and still
functional, and ways to provide backup personnel without extensive training
programs and detailed analysis systems.
When you mention the requirements for "your system" as above, I'm guessing
that is based on your understanding of an aquaponics operation that you've
seen and discussed with the operators. Although I'm certain that the
information you received was correct for that operation, it doesn't
necessarily follow that it applies to all aquaponics operations. Pump
failure, fish disease, and the response time required to avoid disaster are
all system-specific scenarios, and the results will depend on the built-in
safeguards against such problems. Not that we haven't had to deal with
system failures and problems before, but there are ways to avoid having to
have computer alarms and pagers involved in the business. We avoid
automatic feeders just because their malfunction can cause severe disruption
in the system balance unless there are built-in monitoring devices.
We strive for a least-cost, least-stress (to us and the fish) system, not
fish-driven; i.e., where our produce is the primary product and fish
production secondary. Without the need to maintain high fish density in
order to be profitable, we think we've eliminated much of the problems you
perceive.
And our "back-up" person does not need extensive training. Knowing how to
check to see that the water levels are sufficient to keep the pumps running,
how to change out a pump in case of failure, and what quantity and how often
to feed the fish (or withhold feed) is basically all that's required for us
to leave the operation for a few days. For instance, fish feeding schedules
can be adjusted to fit the "people" time available. Because the plants are
not dependent on a constant level of "new" nutrients, but using those that
become available through the bacterial action in the grow beds, a reduction
in feeding for a short time will not have a massive negative affect. And if
your fish density is not pushed too high, even pump failure does not result
in "instant" disaster.
All I'm saying is that there are methods to safeguard your system on the
design end instead of relying on extensive monitoring and "crash cart"
procedures to salvage things on the reactionary end. I'd be glad to discuss
specific items if you wish.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: re: introduction
From: laberge@cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:55:44 -0500
Yes Jennifer...from 1986 to 1991, then worked till 1995...
E-mail me back at Laberge@cil.qc.ca
Marc Laberge
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Subject: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 07:13:08 PST
Noni is big-time popular these days in the USVI.
I think mostly due to MLM. Many carib locals have called the Noni the
"starvation apple" or "starvation fruit", as they would only ingest it as a
last food resort.
Noni was the focus of a discussion panel at last years International
Workshop on Medicinal Herbs in the Caribbean. Big controversies exist
between scientists claiming that interal use of the fruit juice may be toxic
after continued use (more studies needed), and those remarkable testimonies
of the users. These testimonies claim remarkable recovery to pains and
illnesses.
I personally collect the fruit wild and, as Kevin mentioned, ferment in a
glass jar. I add no extra water, just shake the jar every few days. After
2 months or so, I strain the pulp and save the juice. I occassionally drink
a tablespoon with OJ, but usually use the juice to heal wounds (usually
resulting from fish-farming).
Our vegetable program leader at the Agriculture Experiment Station, Dr.
Manuel Palada have written about his germination trials on Noni. If
intersted, email me personally and I'll send out a copy or find a URL. In
addition, I'll try and locate seeds from a local source. If I do, I'll
offer them up to this list. The plant itself is beautiful with large shinny
leaves. The fruit is quite ugly AND the smell of ripened fruit is one of
the worst smells imaginable, hence the name "starvation apple"
Hope this helps,
Charlie Shultz
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:12:50 -0500
> All I'm saying is that there are methods to safeguard your system on the
> design end instead of relying on extensive monitoring and "crash cart"
> procedures to salvage things on the reactionary end. I'd be glad to discuss
> specific items if you wish.
I'm glad to hear that, by making the fish the secondary product and
stocking to the minimum levels required to feed the plants you can avoid
the complications and stress associated with high-intensity
aquaculture. One day I plan to come see your operation.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics/hydroponics, was Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: Bertmcl
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:40:42 EST
Paula, Adriana and to the rest of the list. After I read the list this A.M.
I went out the take care of the Fish in 2 separate building, somewhere around
800 Tilapia all together. Pluse I fed & watered 5 beef cattle and was back
ready for breakfast in lest than 30 minutes. If I am home I usually check the
fish again around Lunch Time and Dinner time. While I am no expert by any
means, I think I have learned a little about Aquaponics. I probably am crazy
but I do not own any test kits. I watch the action of the fish and can
usually tell if I have a problem. If the fish are not active I fed very
little and if they start jumping for the feed I give them more. I try not to
feed more than what they will eat in about 15 minutes.
Actually, I spend more time wating the plants grow and dream about building
the REAL system and get away from the expermenting stage. I have visited many
commerical operations with all of the fancy computers and backup oxygen
systems and have decided at 67 years of age I could never pay back the
investment. So I just keep on learning and trying to be as simple as
possible.Yes, I have lost fish during long power outages, that is why I now
have a generator.
During our last power outage of over 11 hours and temp in the teens, I could
not get the generator going and the next A..M. the temp in the GH was 35 deg
F and while the fish would not eat THEY ARE ALL LIVING. Some of the plants
don't look as well as the fish but they are still growing.
Just my 2 cents as why I chose to grow with the S&S system. JUst can't get
the weather to cooperate.
Bert - New Kent,VA (east of Richmond)
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Subject: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:21:53 -0600
Ted,
You're gonna _have_ to post a pic of this UFO (Unforgettable Fryer
Operation). Around here our main problem with pastured poultry is
wildlife and even Mack (my main stock guard dog) has to sleep sometime.
I've seen people using what amounts to a pair of soccer goals face to
face but they're too much trouble for the gain.
Jim
PS: I amazed how many guinea fowl are poached by road hunters around
here so they don't last long either.. Folks act like they're fair game..
> TGTX wrote:
>
> This has little to do with aquaponics, except to testify that we
> can accomplish other agricultural efforts in conjunction with
> aquaponics in the overall small farm plan and along the lines
> of the"integrated approach" which I am a big fan of.
>
> Tonight I finished the latest in a series of chicken tractors,
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> Tedzo
>
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Subject: Heating
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:34:40 -0600
From: "Melisa Wennerholm"
To: "S & S Aqua Farm"
Subject: Heating
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:07:33 -0800
Hi
I live in northern Cal. and think that the temps here are a challange
for aquaponic's. However in reading from all of you there are some far
colder places.
So if you all could give me some Idea's that you have used to create and
hold heat both in the water and air it be a big help.
Winter temps here are lows 30 to 40s Highs 50 to 60s.
Also in your systems what kind of D.O. levels are you able to keep, I know
the importantance of it to the fish is there any to the plants, if so what?
Thank You
Don
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Subject: Re: Has any one heard of NONI (Morinda Citrifolia)
From: Jennifer Maynard
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:29:45 -0400
Iwould love to get some seed. I livein the Caribbean.
Jennifer
Charlie Shultz wrote:
>
> Noni is big-time popular these days in the USVI.
>
> I think mostly due to MLM. Many carib locals have called the Noni the
> "starvation apple" or "starvation fruit", as they would only ingest it as a
> last food resort.
>
> Noni was the focus of a discussion panel at last years International
> Workshop on Medicinal Herbs in the Caribbean. Big controversies exist
> between scientists claiming that interal use of the fruit juice may be toxic
> after continued use (more studies needed), and those remarkable testimonies
> of the users. These testimonies claim remarkable recovery to pains and
> illnesses.
>
> I personally collect the fruit wild and, as Kevin mentioned, ferment in a
> glass jar. I add no extra water, just shake the jar every few days. After
> 2 months or so, I strain the pulp and save the juice. I occassionally drink
> a tablespoon with OJ, but usually use the juice to heal wounds (usually
> resulting from fish-farming).
>
> Our vegetable program leader at the Agriculture Experiment Station, Dr.
> Manuel Palada have written about his germination trials on Noni. If
> intersted, email me personally and I'll send out a copy or find a URL. In
> addition, I'll try and locate seeds from a local source. If I do, I'll
> offer them up to this list. The plant itself is beautiful with large shinny
> leaves. The fruit is quite ugly AND the smell of ripened fruit is one of
> the worst smells imaginable, hence the name "starvation apple"
>
> Hope this helps,
> Charlie Shultz
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: Heating
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:03:21 -0700
..snip..
> So if you all could give me some Idea's that you have used to create and
> hold heat both in the water and air it be a big help.
> ..snip..
Here we use wood for heat as we have a lot of it laying
around our place.
Marc
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Subject: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: MUDDTOO
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:58:55 EST
In a message dated 2/7/00 5:29:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gutierrez-lagatta@home.com writes:
> Ted, it's not that I prefer hydroponics over aquaponics. I just can't
> handle being on duty 24 hours a day...7 days a week is tough enough.
>
Hello Adriana,
What part of the job keeps you the busiest? If you had the money or the time
- what would you change?
Joel
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Subject: WOW
From: "Michael Merriken"
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:08:36 -0500
Hello all,
I never would have guessed the number of posted and private inquiries.
Thanks all for the interest. Paula, thank you for pulling the essay out of
the archives and posting it. I don't get on this list but once or twice a
week.
I started on a revised essay that is better organized and will include a few
more lessons learned from my small system.
Since the homeowners association has not made a peep over the past eight
months I plan on building a new system and greenhouse using my lessons
learned and a few ideas gleaned from other people on this list.
I currently do this for enjoyment and hope my trials and tribulations can be
of use to others. Maybe one day when I grow up I can do this for a
living?!?
Michael
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Subject: Re: Ultra Chicken Tractor & Big Picture Aquaponics
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:19:33 -0600
>
> Did you include the Claymores?
>
> Marc :>
Neither the Claymores, nor that worthless, shiftless skunk, "Snuffy" Smith
will cross the path of my chicken tractor, as long as I live and breath.
Sherrif Ted
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