Aquaponics Digest - Wed 02/16/00
Message 1: RE: A murder mystery
from "William Brown"
Message 2: Lost Post.
from "Steve"
Message 3: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 02/15/00
from "Pacific Rim Resort"
Message 4: catfish!!
from "Steve"
Message 5: Fwd. Or rotting meat
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Re: Question on S&S System
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 7: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 8: OT - Searching for Hoats and Parkey
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 9: Re: OT - Searching for Hoats and Parkey
from Ray Schneider
Message 10: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 11: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
from "Sam Levy"
Message 12: Re: A murder mystery
from "Sam Levy"
Message 13: Re: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
from "Sam Levy"
Message 14: Gotta go
from Vik Olliver
Message 15: RE: A murder mystery
from "Sam Levy"
Message 16: Introduction
from ESohm
Message 17: Re: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Re: Lost Post.
from "TGTX"
Message 19: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 20: RE: A murder mystery
from "William Brown"
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Subject: RE: A murder mystery
From: "William Brown"
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:14:11 -1000
Nor I. Mantis is a Latin name therefore I said Mantii. However I have
references that it is Mantids in English.
http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/trees/ef418.htm
>From Encarta
http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/4A/04A57000.htm
Free Concise Encyclopedia Article
This article in Deluxe has twice as many words.
Mantis, also praying mantis, common name for a slender, winged insect in
warm temperate and tropical regions worldwide. Known for sitting back on
their rear legs and holding their front legs together as if praying, they
are actually waiting for prey—other insects. The mantis is the only insect
able to turn its head from side to side. The common European mantis, Mantis
religiosa, is about 6.3 cm (about 2.5 in) long. The Carolina mantis,
Stagmonantis carolina, is about 7.6 cm (about 3 in) long.
Scientific classification: Mantids make up the order Mantodea.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of Doug Peckenpaugh
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 1:01 PM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: A murder mystery
I usually wouldn't nit pick like this--I suppose it's the grammarian in
me. The plural of mantis is "mantises" or "mantes."
See! I can contribute to something!
--Doug Peckenpaugh
Editor, The Growing Edge
William Brown wrote:
> mantii
>
> > mantis (is there a plural for this?)
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Subject: Lost Post.
From: "Steve"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:50:38 -0600
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Hi Paula,
I submitted a post to "one-list" concerning mineral deficiencies with =
tomatoes. It was entitled, aptly enough, "mineral deficiencies". Did you =
see it floating through cyberspace anywhere? Doggone it! I went to a lot =
of trouble with that thing. One of my main questions was, "Does anyone =
know of a strip or test apparatus that can check potassium levels? =
Reason being is that I want to start adding potassium "sulphate" (I =
think, I don't have my notes right now.) to my fish tanks for the =
tomatoes. (Anyone can jump in on this.)=20
Sorry to be such a pest........Steve =20
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Hi Paula,
I submitted a post to "one-list" =
concerning=20
mineral deficiencies with tomatoes. It was entitled, aptly enough, =
"mineral=20
deficiencies". Did you see it floating through cyberspace anywhere? =
Doggone it!=20
I went to a lot of trouble with that thing. One of my main questions =
was, "Does=20
anyone know of a strip or test apparatus that can check potassium=20
levels? Reason being is that I want to start adding potassium =
"sulphate" (I think, I don't have my notes right now.) to my fish tanks =
for=20
the =20
tomatoes. (Anyone can jump in on =
this.)
Sorry to be such a =
pest........Steve =20
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 02/15/00
From: "Pacific Rim Resort"
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:09:24 -0800
how do we unsubscribe?
thanks
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From: aquaponics-digest-request@townsqr.com
To: aquaponics-digest@townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 10:04 PM
Subject: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 02/15/00
>Message 1: Hello & Introduction
> from Rboylan2
>
>Message 2: Re: Hello & Introduction
> from "Steve"
>
>Message 3: Re: A murder mystery
> from S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Message 4: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
> from S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Message 5: Re: Question on S&S System
> from S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Message 6: temp. unsubscribe
> from g parker
>
>Message 7: Re: Introductions
> from djhanson@calweb.com
>
>Message 8: RE: A murder mystery
> from "William Brown"
>
>Message 9: Please pass along
> from S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Message 10: RE: A murder mystery
> from "William Brown"
>
>Message 11: Re: A murder mystery
> from "Dale Robinson"
>
>Message 12: Re: A murder mystery
> from S & S Aqua Farm
>
>Message 13: Re: A murder mystery
> from Doug Peckenpaugh
>
>Message 14: Revolution
> from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
>
>Message 15: Re: Question on S&S System
> from "Jay Myers"
>
>Message 16: Re: A murder mystery
> from Marc & Marcy
>
>Message 17: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
> from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
>
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>Subject: Hello & Introduction
>From: Rboylan2
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:37:17 EST
>
>Hi All,
>
>My name is Richard, and this is my second time joining this Aquaponics
list,
>but during my previous subscription I was just a lurker. So here goes the
>introduction...
>
>My direct experience with fish farming and aquaponics in particular grew
out
>of two years of work with Ocean Arks International, and their aquaponic and
>waste-treating engineered ecosystems known as Living Machines. At the time
I
>worked there (1996-1998) OAI was exploring the use of small to medium sized
>(125 to 1000 gallon) systems for household and educational uses, but their
>primary work focused on bioremediation of polluted lakes. Nonetheless,
there
>was enough fish-farming to get me exploring, and have a bunch of fine
>grilled-tilapia dinners with students and coworkers. I also killed a few
>fish, learned about the dangers of using too-flimsy materials (always costs
>ya more in the long run), and realized that I wanted to farm and work the
>earth more than be in an office dealing with financial audits and such.
While
>working at OAI, I also lived for a while at the site of the New Alchemy
>Institute. It was quite something to see the remains of 25 years of
>experimentation with aquaponic systems. Many of the old alchemists are
still
>around there, and I owe much of my learning to their kind willingness to
>teach.
>
>I'm now residing in Northern California, working as a Permaculture designer
>and gardner for a massage school. There's a built-in market here, since the
>school kitchen serves fish once a week or so to approximately 100 students,
>staff and neighbors. They also serve a lot of fresh greens, tomatoes,
>peppers, etc. I've been talking up the possibilities of greenhouse-based
>tilapia aquaponics for nearly a year now, but am only now beginning to
write
>up a business plan and seek start-up capital. No doubt, y'all will see
>questions and musings from me on this subject as things progress.
>
>I'm psyched to be part of this listserv - the knowledge and enthusiasm are
>impressive and (hopefully) contagious. I'll gladly pitch in what I know and
>hope to learn from all of you...
>
>-Richard Boylan
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Hello & Introduction
>From: "Steve"
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:42:14 -0600
>
>Welcome back Richard.
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:37 AM
>Subject: Hello & Introduction
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My name is Richard, and this is my second time joining this Aquaponics
>list,
>> but during my previous subscription I was just a lurker. So here goes the
>> introduction...
>>
>> My direct experience with fish farming and aquaponics in particular grew
>out
>> of two years of work with Ocean Arks International, and their aquaponic
>and
>> waste-treating engineered ecosystems known as Living Machines. At the
time
>I
>> worked there (1996-1998) OAI was exploring the use of small to medium
>sized
>> (125 to 1000 gallon) systems for household and educational uses, but
their
>> primary work focused on bioremediation of polluted lakes. Nonetheless,
>there
>> was enough fish-farming to get me exploring, and have a bunch of fine
>> grilled-tilapia dinners with students and coworkers. I also killed a few
>> fish, learned about the dangers of using too-flimsy materials (always
>costs
>> ya more in the long run), and realized that I wanted to farm and work the
>> earth more than be in an office dealing with financial audits and such.
>While
>> working at OAI, I also lived for a while at the site of the New Alchemy
>> Institute. It was quite something to see the remains of 25 years of
>> experimentation with aquaponic systems. Many of the old alchemists are
>still
>> around there, and I owe much of my learning to their kind willingness to
>> teach.
>>
>> I'm now residing in Northern California, working as a Permaculture
>designer
>> and gardner for a massage school. There's a built-in market here, since
>the
>> school kitchen serves fish once a week or so to approximately 100
>students,
>> staff and neighbors. They also serve a lot of fresh greens, tomatoes,
>> peppers, etc. I've been talking up the possibilities of greenhouse-based
>> tilapia aquaponics for nearly a year now, but am only now beginning to
>write
>> up a business plan and seek start-up capital. No doubt, y'all will see
>> questions and musings from me on this subject as things progress.
>>
>> I'm psyched to be part of this listserv - the knowledge and enthusiasm
are
>> impressive and (hopefully) contagious. I'll gladly pitch in what I know
>and
>> hope to learn from all of you...
>>
>> -Richard Boylan
>>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: A murder mystery
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:31:06 -0600
>
>At 04:00 PM 02/14/2000 -0600, Bob wrote:
> But the
>>living machine has become a breeding place for drain flies. We want to
>>kill the drain flies without adding chemicals that will damage the plants
>>or microbes. They seem to not have attraction to light or heat sources,
at
>>least not enough to reduce their numbers. And we can't keep enough frogs
>>around to do the trick. So we were advised to try bT. The fish seem
>>unbothered but the mussels went into bad spasms. We saved some by getting
>>them into fresh water quickly, but not all survived.
>>
>>Anyone have a different fly control method that might have less of a
downside?
>
>Bob, we had very good results with praying mantis for these very pests --
>the only problem is that the PM are not selective, so other beneficials can
>suffer as well.
>
>You should be able to order them this time of year (I think most
insectaries
>won't ship after June), and we had good reproduction from ours. Actually,
>once we got the drain flies under control and the mantis (is there a plural
>for this?) moved on, we've never had a bad infestation again. You may need
>to make some changes in your overall operation to keep them down, though.
>Any dark, damp spot or patch of non-agitated algae growth will look like
>home to them.
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:38:55 -0600
>
>At 12:13 PM 02/14/2000 PST, Sam wrote:
>>
>>>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>>>
>>>What kind of oxygen
>>>supplementation do you have to provide to make this viable, if any? Does
>>>this make blowers a necessary part of the operation?
>
>
>>techniques include using a pump to create turbulence
>>blowers w/airstone and/or airlifts
>>mechanical in-tank agitators
>>pure oxygen and an appropriate contact chamber (oxygen is generally too
>>expensive to use with diffusers exceapt under special circumstances such
as
>>back up in event of system failures)
>>
>>all of the above can provide oxygen to the fish--but not all of them will
be
>>appropriate in every situation or for every species of fish (some require
>>higher DO levels than others)
>>
>>selection of the appropriate technology will depend on the level of
>>intensity the system will operate under, initial cost, operating cost,
>>compatibility with other components and personal preference.
>
>Thanks, Sam. I was asking about trickle supply systems since we've not
used
>them, and it seemed that there would have to be some way to supply the
>necessary oxygen. Our experience has been with pumps to transport and
>oxygenate, but Dr. Rakocy almost has us convinced of the benefits of the
>blower system he uses.:>)
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Question on S&S System
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:45:07 -0600
>
>At 09:10 PM 02/14/2000 -0600, Jay wrote:
>>Paula -
>>
>>I've been looking at my system in detail, and I think Adriana's
observation
>>may have merit. The ladder, with it's holes, seems to get any greens,
etc.
>>that come in contact with it nasty due to the water, and I've been
wondering
>>for days now is I could just put the water in at one end. I'm going to
try
>>it on one bed and see how it goes.
>>
>>Have you ever tried it?
>
>We've tried lots of different combinations, Jay, including irrigating
>completely from one inlet. Water tends to create it's own "permanent"
path,
>though, so you'll need to be vigilant about keeping the inlet space
smoothed
>and loosened so that it doesn't trench and not spread out to the rest of
the
>bed.
>
>Tell me more about how your grid is set up and how the water is affecting
>the greens ---- are your pipes on the gravel or elevated, are you flooding
>up to the surface of the bed, is the water staying on the surface instead
of
>dropping through the gravel, is the water splashing onto the greens, etc.?
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
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>Subject: temp. unsubscribe
>From: g parker
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:10:16 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hey Folks
>
>I'm a brand new subscriber and haven't contributed much other than a few
>inquires. I must travel to Africa for about 6-weeks on business. I'll be
out
>of touch with the internet for several days at a time---and I fear that
with
>the huge amount of interaction between the members of this group, my e-mail
>account would BLOW-UP before I could get to it.
>
>You're a helpful and dedicated bunch--I appreciate you all.
>
>See ya in a couple of months.
>
>Cheers, and All Good Things
>
>Geoff Parker
>
>______________________________________________
>FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com
>Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001
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>
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>Subject: Re: Introductions
>From: djhanson@calweb.com
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 07:12:33 -0800
>
>Okay, okay. Enough lurking. I'll peek my head out and let you all know
>I'm still around. But I warn you all, if it gets ugly in here again I'll
>disappear and go back to eavesdropping on all of you and just dreaming
>of getting started.
>
>My wife & I have been raising ornamental tropical fish for several
>years.
>Sometimes with more success, sometimes less. At one point we were
>selling
>1-1/4" catfish (Corydoras sterbai) for $2 EACH in 100 lots. $10-15/lb
>isn't too bad for fish that only take 3 months to go from spawn to sale!
>
>Well, I finally bought a house last year and moved 80+ tanks, 1000+
>gallons of water, out of the apartment. Unfortunately, we lost the vast
>majority of our breeding stock and are still in the process of building
>back up. However, in the process of settling in, I find myself with the
>opportunity to set up a small scale aquaponic system. I'll either be
>using a 55 gallon tank with approximately 5 sq. ft of growing space or a
>100 gallon tank with 7 sq ft of growing space. I still don't don't know
>what exactly I'll be trying to grow. (I'll probably only have 2' or so
>between the surface of the grow bed and the ceiling.) I'm probably
>leaning towards various herbs for our personal use, but that seems like
>an AWFUL lot just for personal use!
>
>Any advise, suggestions, etc.? I need something that will work with a
>continuous flow of water, and preferably something fairly inexpensive
>as well. If it works out, I may be able to talk my wife into letting me
>build a greenhouse onto the back of the fish room we're constructing at
>which point I'll be using the hydroponics beds as the primary filtration
>for another 1,000 gallons or so of fish tanks and probably be looking
>to grow assorted veggies for our dinner table.
>
>--- dj
>
>
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>Subject: RE: A murder mystery
>From: "William Brown"
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:42:29 -1000
>
>Just happened to see a Fly parasite offered for sale at Hydro-Gardens
>http://www.hydro-gardens.com
>However it is not listed at their site, you will need to call or order a
>catalog. Brief description:
>"These parasites kill pest flies before they can even hatch by laying their
>eggs inside the fly's egg. Fly species controlled include the common house
>fly, stable fly, blow fly, face fly, horn fly and many others."
>
>William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aquaponics
>[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of wills/nachreiner
>Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 12:01 PM
>To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>Subject: A murder mystery
>
>
>Well the subject title should get attention anyway.
>
>Here's the skinny. We are growing mussels in the living machine to 1. see
>if we can propogate them and 2. help clean water. Background. Midwest
>mussels were over harvested for buttons and then because they made great
>seed for Japanese cultured pearls. Then they became victims of pollution.
>So today many varieties are endangered. Bivalves are great water cleaners.
> They require fish to host their larvae, so we have provided that. But the
>living machine has become a breeding place for drain flies. We want to
>kill the drain flies without adding chemicals that will damage the plants
>or microbes. They seem to not have attraction to light or heat sources, at
>least not enough to reduce their numbers. And we can't keep enough frogs
>around to do the trick. So we were advised to try bT. The fish seem
>unbothered but the mussels went into bad spasms. We saved some by getting
>them into fresh water quickly, but not all survived.
>
>Whats the deal? Anyone know about bt being bad for shellfish? Does this
>have implications for treating organic crops or for the transgenic Bt corn?
> Could anything else be going on?
>
>Anyone have a different fly control method that might have less of a
>downside?
>
>Bob
>
>Box185 Plain,Wi 53577
>(608) 546-2712
>
>
>
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>Subject: Please pass along
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:48:04 -0600
>
>>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:27:51 -0600
>>From: Gordon Watkins
>
>>Hi Paula,
>>
>>I'm still lurking, presumably unable to post, but have a response that
>>may be pertinent if you would be so kind as to post it for me.
>>
>>Thanks,
>> Gordon
>>
>>At 09:10 PM 02/14/2000 -0600, Jay wrote:
>>>Paula -
>>>
>>>I've been looking at my system in detail, and I think Adriana's
>>observation
>>>may have merit. The ladder, with it's holes, seems to get any greens,
>>etc.
>>>that come in contact with it nasty due to the water, and I've been
>>wondering
>>>for days now is I could just put the water in at one end. I'm going to
>>try
>>>it on one bed and see how it goes.
>>>
>>>Have you ever tried it?
>>
>>We've tried lots of different combinations, Jay, including irrigating
>>completely from one inlet. Water tends to create it's own "permanent"
>>path,
>>though, so you'll need to be vigilant about keeping the inlet space
>>smoothed
>>and loosened so that it doesn't trench and not spread out to the rest of
>>the
>>bed.
>>
>>Tell me more about how your grid is set up and how the water is
>>affecting
>>the greens ---- are your pipes on the gravel or elevated, are you
>>flooding
>>up to the surface of the bed, is the water staying on the surface
>>instead of
>>dropping through the gravel, is the water splashing onto the greens,
>>etc.?
>>
>>Paula
>>
>>My system is based on the McMurtry design and I contour the surface of
>>my beds in a hill-and-furrow profile in which the water/detritus flows
>>down the furrows. I plant terrestrial plants on the ridges and water
>>plants like watercress, acorus, etc in the furrows. Initially, I install
>>a perforated pvc grid to distribute water evenly down the furrows but,
>>over time, an algae mat forms which helps distribute the water, at which
>>time I remove the grid and have a single outlet at the head of each
>>furrow. I'm not sure if this would address your problem with nasty
>>greens as there is still an open flow of water during a flood cycle, but
>>it does help reduce maintenance time. The problem with this system is
>>that the algae mat can become dense and less permeable which reduces the
>>perc rate. I control this with the judicious use of a potato digger to
>>perforate and loosen the mat, restoring proper flow. I have found that
>>since adding earthworms to my beds, algae mat formation is slower but
>>perc rates are improved. I should note too that my media is smaller than
>>what some others are using, around an eigth-inch diameter gravel with
>>some sand, which makes it relatively easy to maintain a ridge compared
>>to larger particles.
>>
>>Gordon Watkins
>>
>>
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
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>Subject: RE: A murder mystery
>From: "William Brown"
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 08:57:48 -1000
>
>mantii
>
>> mantis (is there a plural for this?)
>
>
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>Subject: Re: A murder mystery
>From: "Dale Robinson"
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:11:42 -0800
>
>Hi all,
>Last summer I used a bug light that I left on all day near the plants. In
>the course of the day enough of the bugs wandered into harms way to keep
the
>numbers down. I wonder if you were to put something that the flies were
>attracted to(sugar or rotting meat) inside or on the bug light cage. That
>might increase the murder rate. :-)
>
>> They seem to not have attraction to light or heat sources, at....
>
>Dale Robinson
>mwhydroponics@worldnet.att.net
>Http://home.att.net/~mwhydroponics/
>Low prices on small quantities
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: A murder mystery
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:26:31 -0600
>
>At 03:11 PM 02/14/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>Last summer I used a bug light that I left on all day near the plants. In
>>the course of the day enough of the bugs wandered into harms way to keep
the
>>numbers down. I wonder if you were to put something that the flies were
>>attracted to(sugar or rotting meat) inside or on the bug light cage. That
>>might increase the murder rate. :-)
>>
>>> They seem to not have attraction to light or heat sources, at....
>>
>>Dale Robinson
>
>Dale, I believe what he's describing are drain flies (or sewer flies) --
not
>certain of the proper name -- they live in drain systems (actually in most
>places in the world as I remember being told). Normally not a problem, but
>when they move into the top surface where you have to work, they can end up
>in your produce (not very appealing). At the very least, they're a pain
to
>work around as it seems you're always stirring them up into your face.
>
>Now if we're talking about another kind of pest, let me know.
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: A murder mystery
>From: Doug Peckenpaugh
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:00:45 -0800
>
>I usually wouldn't nit pick like this--I suppose it's the grammarian in
>me. The plural of mantis is "mantises" or "mantes."
>
>See! I can contribute to something!
>
>--Doug Peckenpaugh
>Editor, The Growing Edge
>
>
>William Brown wrote:
>
>> mantii
>>
>> > mantis (is there a plural for this?)
>
>
>
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>Subject: Revolution
>From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:57:43 -0500
>
>Hi William,
>
>You had mentioned you'd be interested in a small amount of Revolution if
>I bought in bulk. If you're interested I have split it into 1 oz.
>packages which will cost $28 assuming postage to Hawaii is the same as
>for the mainland. If you're interested let me know and send me a check
>to:
>Green Cuisine
>3512 E Forest Lake Drive
>Sarasota, FL 34232
>
>If you throw in a return address sticker it will speed things up too.
>
>Regards, Adriana
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Question on S&S System
>From: "Jay Myers"
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:00:17 -0600
>
>
>>Tell me more about how your grid is set up and how the water is affecting
>>the greens ---- are your pipes on the gravel or elevated, are you flooding
>>up to the surface of the bed, is the water staying on the surface instead
>of
>>dropping through the gravel, is the water splashing onto the greens, etc.?
>>
>>Paula
>
>
>
>The pipes are on the surface of the gravel. The water comes out very
>slowley - not spraying up - and wets an area right at the pipe, and I
>presume under it. My timer cuts out when the water is within an inch or
two
>of the gravel surface. The surface of the gravel never gets wet under
>nornal operation. The greens only get wet when the leaves lay over on the
>pipe. They then get mungy, so I keep them picked and they go to the fish,
>and I'm a real popular guy around the tank. They do love their greens!
>
>Jay
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: A murder mystery
>From: Marc & Marcy
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:30:59 -0700
>
>
>..snip..
>> Whats the deal? Anyone know about bt being bad for shellfish? Does this
>> have implications for treating organic crops or for the transgenic Bt
corn?
>> Could anything else be going on?
>..snip..
>
>Are there directions on the container it came in? Did you
>contact the manufacturer? What does the MSDS say?
>
>Marc
>
>
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>Subject: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
>From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:37:11 +0000
>
>Sam Levy wrote:
>
>> to teach the guard staff the difference between this noise & that.
>
>Hey funny...U should say that...today I was on a digestor tank, and said
>ok....Fan on! and the lights come on...so I try again....Aerator on!!
>and hear Pump 1 comes on.... ok..."Pump 2" I shout and feel the Aerator
>comes on...
>
>Know what? Instead of getting my head blown off, Electrocuted or
>shredded for the sake of some apprentice...I took the day, and asked the
>client to call me when they had either the electrician or their "problem
>sorted out....
>Who would have known today, to the day, taking up my diary thaT 2 years
>ago to the day I was in Eretz Israel, installing a factory!! It was a
>great time, I had a great crew there, with almost zero mistakes wired in
>an entire plant...and the factory manager took great pains to have us
>have any vehicle necessary to show us arround at every given
>opportunity...It was one of my greatest stays, and I appreciated going
>around to see the many agro things to see. I was near Netanya, and
>actually stayed at Gaash for at least a month.( A founding kibbutz..)
>Saw some great outdoor saline? ponds on the way from Netanya to
>Caesarea. Do you know of this farm? Also visited the Golan Heights, and
>stopped by the Dan Valley.
>For all aquaponikers,,,this is a site to see....where sand beds are and
>spectacular snowcapped mountains rise, lush plains extend down to the
>Sea of Galilee, as far as the eyes sees these huge irrigation machines
>creep over the soil and water the earth.Drip irrigate. Ive been told
>that some of it is done in a method similar ro sand filled growbeds,
>where the liners were just put down and filled with irrigation drains
>and tanks and then the dripped water is recycled.
>
>Cool mountain water flowing from the snowcaps in the Golan is used to
>raise trout and salmon, and if Im not mistaken a particular crossbreed?
>I was fascinated how out of desert grew fruits and veggies..and to see
>cold water fish thrive in the same environment....but as I was shown
>recently...it has been fortold for a long time...Isaiah said it (27:6)
>who would have known he was talking tissue culture and export?
>lol
>Sorry guys...just mighty reminiscent today, its been 2 yrs since a been
>on the road, and still tinkering with ma system on a tiny scale. One day
>I will FINALLY present my website to you all, and I hope youll all be
>glad you put up with my ramblings!!
>lol
>
>> by the way, by adjusting the pressure at the o2 tank outlet & using check
>> valves, you can empty the tanks in serial order.
>
>Tell me more sam, doesnt it take a mighty lot of bypasses and valves to
>do that? :) Always willing to learn new tricks..
>
>Anyway... Peace to the patient!!
>Mike, Jamaica.
>
>
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Subject: catfish!!
From: "Steve"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:52:07 -0600
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Hi Judy,
I know you are out there somewhere. I lost your original message, but it =
had something to do with raising catfish in "cage culture" or recirc =
systems or something like that. Besides raising Tilapia in an indoor =
environment (I live in Wisconsin.), I also have an outside pond...not =
very big...only about a 1/2 acre...but it is stocked with Perch, =
Bluegills and "Catfish".=20
My 1st love when I was first interested in aquaculture was the Tilapia, =
but I blew that idea off because it gets so cold up up. Well, anyway, =
after setting up my pond and having all of the problems that I had, I =
told my wife that if we wanted to make any money with this, we were =
going to have to expand the pond to 1 acre or take the whole operation =
inside. Well, she wasn't exactly excited about me digging up another 3/4 =
acre right in the middle of some prime real estate so we re-fitted the =
back garage with extreme insulation and started raising Tilapia (in =
Wisconsin). Best move I ever made. I bought some breeders and now raise =
my own fish. They are incredibly "cool". Ever seen a catfish with =
personality? The Tilapia breeders are so unique. I can't say where I get =
them...everytime I do, I get shut down. (Contact me off-line if you want =
to know@: careplus@execpc.com) Anyway, I have had incredible success =
with this business. I have been breeding Tilapia for only about 3 months =
now and am having to expand my tanks due to the birthing rate of my =
breeders.
Back to your catfish, I'm not excited about them at all. If you will =
raise Tilapia and do a little bit of marketing...just get people to try =
them...you will be amazed. I am fortunate that I live in an area where =
there is a large Asian population. Tilapia is very popular in all warm =
climates, but the people here in the US have to settle for frozen =
Tilapia fillets. They would much rather have "fresh" fish...AND tell you =
a secret. I am selling whole Tilapia for more $ than there is in Tilapia =
fillets......and I don't even have to fillet them...WOW......what a =
deal!
Raise Tilapia and not catfish........you will make more money and have =
fun in the process!
Steve =20
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Hi Judy,
I know you are out there somewhere. I =
lost your=20
original message, but it had something to do with raising catfish in =
"cage=20
culture" or recirc systems or something like that. Besides raising =
Tilapia in an=20
indoor environment (I live in Wisconsin.), I also have an outside =
pond...not=20
very big...only about a 1/2 acre...but it is stocked with Perch, =
Bluegills and=20
"Catfish".
My 1st love when I was first interested =
in=20
aquaculture was the Tilapia, but I blew that idea off because it gets so =
cold up=20
up. Well, anyway, after setting up my pond and having all of the =
problems that I=20
had, I told my wife that if we wanted to make any money with this, we =
were going=20
to have to expand the pond to 1 acre or take the whole operation inside. =
Well,=20
she wasn't exactly excited about me digging up another 3/4 acre right in =
the=20
middle of some prime real estate so we re-fitted the back garage =
with=20
extreme insulation and started raising Tilapia (in Wisconsin). Best move =
I ever=20
made. I bought some breeders and now raise my own fish. They are =
incredibly=20
"cool". Ever seen a catfish with personality? The Tilapia breeders are =
so=20
unique. I can't say where I get them...everytime I do, I get shut down. =
(Contact=20
me off-line if you want to know@: careplus@execpc.com) Anyway, I =
have had=20
incredible success with this business. I have been breeding Tilapia=20
for only about 3 months now and am having to expand my tanks due to =
the=20
birthing rate of my breeders.
Back to your catfish, I'm not excited =
about them at=20
all. If you will raise Tilapia and do a little bit of marketing...just =
get=20
people to try them...you will be amazed. I am fortunate that I live in =
an area=20
where there is a large Asian population. Tilapia is very popular in all =
warm=20
climates, but the people here in the US have to settle for frozen =
Tilapia=20
fillets. They would much rather have "fresh" fish...AND tell you a =
secret. I am=20
selling whole Tilapia for more $ than there is in Tilapia =
fillets......and I=20
don't even have to fillet them...WOW......what a deal!
Raise Tilapia and not =
catfish........you will make=20
more money and have fun in the process!
Steve =
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Subject: Fwd. Or rotting meat
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:22:02 -0600
>From:
>Subject: Or rotting meat
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:31:47 -0800
>
>Hi to all
>
>Dale your letter about the bug zapper made me think of one feeding method
that I came across. It was used in ponds a wire line was hung across the
pond and animal parts (cow heads in this case) were hung over the ponds out
of wild animals reach. As the meat deteriorated fly's laid eggs, I'm sure
you all know the cycle, so the maggots, which are a very high protein
source, became sort of an automatic feeder. Seemed to work out very well
cept the down wind side would be pretty strong.
>
>see ya all
>Don
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Subject: Re: Question on S&S System
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:00:14 -0600
At 08:00 PM 02/15/2000 -0600, Jay wrote:
>
>The pipes are on the surface of the gravel. The water comes out very
>slowley - not spraying up - and wets an area right at the pipe, and I
>presume under it. My timer cuts out when the water is within an inch or two
>of the gravel surface. The surface of the gravel never gets wet under
>nornal operation. The greens only get wet when the leaves lay over on the
>pipe. They then get mungy, so I keep them picked and they go to the fish,
>and I'm a real popular guy around the tank. They do love their greens!
Jay - Tilapia really do love those extra bits, don't they :>) You can
always consider it not a crop loss, but low-cost feed addition.
You might try elevating your pipes under the corners and down the long side
with small sections of 1" or 1-1/2" pipe. The extra height will allow more
air circulation, and the pipes should stay drier. Without the moisture
(probably because they're on the gravel surface), you shouldn't have any
wetting of the greens close to them.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:09:14 -0600
At 01:52 AM 02/16/2000 -0600, Steve wrote:
>Hi Judy,
>
>I know you are out there somewhere. I lost your original message, but it
had something to do with raising catfish in "cage culture" or recirc systems
or something like that. Besides raising Tilapia in an indoor environment (I
live in Wisconsin.), I also have an outside pond...not very big...only about
a 1/2 acre...but it is stocked with Perch, Bluegills and "Catfish".
>Back to your catfish, I'm not excited about them at all. If you will raise
Tilapia and do a little bit of marketing...just get people to try them...you
will be amazed. I am fortunate that I live in an area where there is a large
Asian population. Tilapia is very popular in all warm climates, but the
people here in the US have to settle for frozen Tilapia fillets. They would
much rather have "fresh" fish...AND tell you a secret. I am selling whole
Tilapia for more $ than there is in Tilapia fillets......and I don't even
have to fillet them...WOW......what a deal!
>Raise Tilapia and not catfish........you will make more money and have fun
in the process!
>
Steve - I think Judy's inquiry was from the Aqua-culture@onelist.com mail
group, but thanks for the comments about your operation and success with
Tilapia in your own region. We've found local sales to be the most
beneficial also.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: OT - Searching for Hoats and Parkey
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:55:36 -0600
If Johnnie Hoats and Paul Parkey are still on the list (or if someone has
their current email addresses), please email me privately at
.
Thanks
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: OT - Searching for Hoats and Parkey
From: Ray Schneider
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:12:47 -0500
I hate to take up list space with this -- But IS THERE SOME WAY TO GET THE
LIST IN **DIGEST FORM** ?? -- it would be a lot more convenient for me
anyway.
--
Ray Schneider
On the Search for the PERFECT tomato ...
Come See Me at http://www.user.shentel.net/rschneid
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Subject: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:15:21 -0600
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Subject: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:13:51 PST
. I was asking about trickle supply systems since we've not used
>them, and it seemed that there would have to be some way to supply the
>necessary oxygen. Our experience has been with pumps to transport and
>oxygenate, but Dr. Rakocy almost has us convinced of the benefits of the
>blower system he uses.:>)
>
>Paula
paula,
i'm not familiar with the term "trickle supply systems" except as an
irrigation system for agriculture. could you clarify it's meaning here?
sam
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Subject: Re: A murder mystery
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:21:28 PST
>Last summer I used a bug light that I left on all day near the plants. In
>the course of the day enough of the bugs wandered into harms way to keep
>the
>numbers down. I wonder if you were to put something that the flies were
>attracted to(sugar or rotting meat) inside or on the bug light cage. That
>might increase the murder rate. :-)
>
>Dale Robinson
if it works & can be installed over the fish tanks, you"re turning a pest
into flying protien.
sam
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Subject: Re: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:45:43 PST
>From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
.)
>Saw some great outdoor saline? ponds on the way from Netanya to
>Caesarea. Do you know of this farm?
>Cool mountain water flowing from the snowcaps in the Golan is used to
>raise trout and salmon, and if Im not mistaken a particular crossbreed?
> > by the way, by adjusting the pressure at the o2 tank outlet & using
>check
> > valves, you can empty the tanks in serial order.
>
>Tell me more sam, doesnt it take a mighty lot of bypasses and valves to
>do that? :) Always willing to learn new tricks..
>
>Anyway... Peace to the patient!!
>Mike, Jamaica.
mike,
there are lots of fish farms along the coast from netanya north--who you saw
might well depend on which road you took although the big concentration is
in the beit-shahn valley (it's hotter there). still, today you can fins
fish grown the entire stretch of the country. let me know if you come back.
trout and salmon are raised near the dan at the northern end of the country.
as for trout, the nice thing about being in israel is that it's relatively
easy to ship in both northern & southern hemisphere stocks--which means year
round egg availability.
i'm not clear as to what crossbreed you mention--i know that one of the
sturgeon crosses is reared at dan (import permission was granted for a
sterile cross only).
as for the o2, the fellow who installed our first oxygen generation system
suggested that we could hook up back up tank(s) to the main storage o2 tank
by adding a "t" where the tank supply pipe hooked up,
adding a "no-return valve", and setting the exit pressure on the backup
bottle 1/2 atm lower than the storage tank--so that the oxygen would flow
into the storage tank if the pressure there dropped. we were using filled
column oxygen contactors--meaning that this back up was for a situation in
which the oygen generation system was either not functioning or was placed
with a temporary demand above its capacity.
sam
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Subject: Gotta go
From: Vik Olliver
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:59:39 +1200
I'm sorry abotu this folks, but I've suddenly got a whole lot of work to
do. I'd best unsubscribe from the list while I get on with it.
You've a fine bunch of people and you've taught me a heck of a lot. No
doubt I'll be back, probably when I've bought myself a patch of land
flat enough to stick a pond or two on!
Bye for now.
Vik :v)
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A member of The Olliver Family http://olliver.penguinpowered.com
PGP signature available there.
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Subject: RE: A murder mystery
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:15:52 PST
>From: "William Brown"
>references that it is Mantids in English.
>
>Scientific classification: Mantids make up the order Mantodea.
>
william,
"mantids" is plural in the sense that it refers to all the species of
mantis, the plural for an individual species --according to webster-- is
either "manitises" or "mantes" (long e)
sam
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Subject: Introduction
From: ESohm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:00:28 EST
Hello everyone,
My name is Evan Sohm, and I've been lurking on this list now for several
months. I find the material very interesting and came across this list while
doing a websearch on Tilapia after hearing a radio spot on NPR describing
some genetically improved (?) Tilapia Aquaculture work going on at Yale?
The warm water requirement, and fish production aspect of this business
sparked my interest in this as a potential business for a new eco-industrial
park being built in my town where a 750 MW electrical co-generation power
plant will be built in 2002. This power plant will serve as the anchor
facility for this "park" and will provide waste steam to the surrounding
businesses for whatever their "eco-industrial" purposes might be. Up here in
cold New England, where we are losing much of the fish stocks off Georges
Bank due to overfishing, it seemed possible that one could start a business
in an eco-industrial park that utilizes the waste steam from the power plant
to heat the aquaponics operation. This would give us great quality fresh
produce and fish all year long, without depleting the ocean stocks currently
in decline.
It appears that some on this list like to garden, others like to grow fish,
and still others tend to do what they want, at their own pace to get by
working on their own in a small scale operation. But I am interested in
starting and growing a business. This seems to be a curiously interesting
and rewarding business that might make it up here in New Hampshire because of
the combination of low cost waste heat availability, mostly sunny skies,
proximity to many great restaurants, and the specialty markets of the greater
Boston Metropolitan area.
My wife and I are 45, we're Chem/Bio majors, and looking to work together as
part of a lifestyle change. I've been employed for 20 years as a product
marketing manager for hi-tech capital equipment firms that sell into the
semiconductor market. However, I am not crazy about this line of work any
longer. We have 3 kids in town schools, and would look forward to inviting
the local schools to visit us to learn how ecosystems can work symbiotically
and profitably.
If anyone can steer me in the direction of how to begin to run the numbers of
a business plan for this type of business, I would be grateful. Access to
capital, labor, and markets eager for this produce should not be a problem.
I have a thousand questions, but the most important one is, what kind of
capital investment is required to build a profitable commercial aquaponics
operation?
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Subject: Re: was dead fish...Now Living Memories
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:12:11 -0600
Michael wrote:
> Sorry guys...just mighty reminiscent today, its been 2 yrs since a been
> on the road, and still tinkering with ma system on a tiny scale. One day
> I will FINALLY present my website to you all, and I hope youll all be
> glad you put up with my ramblings!!
Michael, after reading your post, my grin muscles are almost aching.
You just keep on rambling, my brother, about Israel and Isiah and
aquaponics. Can't wait to see your website. Hope you can post pictures of
your stay in Israel. One fine day I hope I will make it to the Promised
Land and see what you saw and more.
Thank You.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Lost Post.
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:19:29 -0600
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right now.) to my fish tanks for the tomatoes. (Anyone can jump in =
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kits for nutrients in the field. Page 270 to 275. There is a Potassium =
K+ selective meter for about 230 bucks, there is an NPK kit with 50 =
tests for about 20 bucks, etc. Check out www.gemplers.com.
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Subject: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:48:23 -0600
At 09:13 AM 02/16/2000 PST, Sam wrote:
>I wrote:
>. I was asking about trickle supply systems since we've not used
>>them, and it seemed that there would have to be some way to supply the
>>necessary oxygen. Our experience has been with pumps to transport and
>>oxygenate, but Dr. Rakocy almost has us convinced of the benefits of the
>>blower system he uses.:>)
Sam wrote:
>i'm not familiar with the term "trickle supply systems" except as an
>irrigation system for agriculture. could you clarify it's meaning here?
Sorry, it's a term I probably picked up on the Trickle-L list, actually.
The exchange that led up to this was Ryon's statement regarding system
start-up questions:
> Presumably a continuous small-volume pump irrigating the growing beds
>is as effective as the "batch" process where the beds are watered every so
>often?
and I queried:
>I'd like to hear others comments on this. What kind of oxygen
>supplementation do you have to provide to make this viable, if any? Does
>this make blowers a necessary part of the operation?
In order to use a "small-volume pump", I thought perhaps other methods would
have to be used to provide oxygen supplementation; and was curious how much
additional equipment would be necessary.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: RE: A murder mystery
From: "William Brown"
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:53:47 -1000
I bow to general use, there are various and misapplied uses of the plural
and while I'm against the use of the word "ain't" it now exists as a word in
some dictionaries. Let us return to our non-nit-picking standards. I will
understand the use of mantises, etc and that is the purpose of
communication. I really only meant a little tongue in cheek. The research
was quite interesting and could provide both of us with ammunition for a
long time.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
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From: aquaponics
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of Sam Levy
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 1:16 PM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: RE: A murder mystery
>From: "William Brown"
>references that it is Mantids in English.
>
>Scientific classification: Mantids make up the order Mantodea.
>
william,
"mantids" is plural in the sense that it refers to all the species of
mantis, the plural for an individual species --according to webster-- is
either "manitises" or "mantes" (long e)
sam
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