Aquaponics Digest - Sun 03/12/00
Message 1: Fish Food
from "Steve"
Message 2: Re: Fish Food
from "Jay Myers"
Message 3: Re: Fish Food
from "TGTX"
Message 4: anyone noticed
from "timjohanns"
Message 5: seeds
from "timjohanns"
Message 6: Re: anyone noticed
from "beacnhrt"
Message 7: Re: anyone noticed
from "bennett"
Message 8: snappers
from "timjohanns"
Message 9: turtles
from "timjohanns"
Message 10: more turtle stuff
from "timjohanns"
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Subject: Fish Food
From: "Steve"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 03:27:00 -0600
Hello again,
Does anyone know of a "reputable" source where I can buy fish food?
I have asked this question before and have had responses, but it seems as if
no one is interested in actually selling anything. I have gone through 2
"reputable" sources on one-list and the people never want to get in touch
with me again. I even went to the expense of carrying on a conversation with
one of them long-distance on my cell-phone, but he never got back to me. I
am at a kind of a loss as of what to do next.
I just spent $40 for a bag of medicated fish food. Expensive, yes, but when
all you get is lip service from all of the other people who say they will
supply you, what are you suppose to do?
Would appreciate any help.........Steve
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Subject: Re: Fish Food
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:08:51 -0600
>Does anyone know of a "reputable" source where I can buy fish food?
>Would appreciate any help.........Steve
Steve -
I don't know where you are, and shipping will always enter into the final
cost, but I can share with you what I do.
There is a co-op just east of Tampa, Fl., which is a very large tropical
fish rearing area. I have had good service from them when I can't find what
I'm looking for something. I assume there are other co-op's in other parts
of the country. You might talk with either other fish farmers in your
area, or schools that have programs involving fish. The U. of Florida has a
demo farm near me that has been helpful too.
Purina puts out a variety of food that my fish are growing well on. They
are in Missouri, and have been very helpful in sending feeding charts, etc.
They also gave me the name of a feed store near me that carries their food.
Most any feed store carries Purina, and can get the fish food for you. That
is how I normally get mine now. We'll E-mail you their phone number when I
get to my office, as well as the phone no. of the co-op near Tampa.
When I need to go near Tampa I buy some because they are a little cheaper
than my local supplier, but it's too expensive to ship from there. (400
miles)
Hope this helps.
Jay
Panama City Beach, Fl.
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Subject: Re: Fish Food
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:23:01 -0600
> >Does anyone know of a "reputable" source where I can buy fish food?
> >Would appreciate any help.........Steve
Clements Farm Service P.O. Box 2347 Gibsonton, FL 33534
Phone 813-677-1627
Burris Mill & Feed, Inc. 1012 Pearl St. Franklinton, LA 70438
Phone 800 928 2782 or 504 839 3400
Rangen Inc.
P.O. Box 706 115 13th Ave. South, Buhl, ID 83316 U.S.A.
208-543 6421 8006576446
1500 East Cedar, Angleton, TX 77515, U.S.A.
Balrosario S.A., P.O. Box 659, Guayaquil, Ecuador
Zeigler Bros., Inc.
P.O. Box 95, Gardners, PA 17324
800 841-6800
Perdue Specialty Feeds, Inc.
139 South First Street
Catawissa, PA 17829
800-358-6595
Nelson & Sons, Inc.
Nelson's Sterling Silver Cup
118 West 4800 South P.O. Box 57428
Murray Utah 84157-0428
801 262 2991 800 521 9092
Integral Fish Foods, Inc.
715 South 7th. Street
Grand Junction, CO 815 01
970-242-2798
Southern States Aquaculture Feeds
Jeff Fagan at 888-677-3474
Purina Mills, Inc.
P.O. Box 66812
St. Louis, MO 63166-6812 USA
800-227-8941
There are many more, but these are some of the big dogs.
Ted
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Subject: anyone noticed
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:28:26 -0800
anyone that is playing with snappers out there noticed feeding patterns
described as chewers or swallowers, they all seem to hunt the floating food,
but some gulp it down while others chew and their is a size difference
associated with it
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Subject: seeds
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:37:19 -0800
Iowa has a lot of cold days and is considered low light, does anyone have a
source for seeds that would accomodate these conditions ( low light and
solar greenhouse conditions such as those fo Hawaii, addresses? catalogs?
phone numbers etc, luv some info and help. TIA bioman
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Subject: Re: anyone noticed
From: "beacnhrt"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:13:01 -0600
Hi Tim,
If you get a chance I am still interested in getting any information you
can provide me concerning water depth, cover, confinement techniques etc. on
snapping turtles. Did you get the message I sent you last week?
I hope your studies are going well.
Melvin Landers
P.S. Have you noticed any kind of similarity between members of either of
the two groups(chewers and swallowers)? Maybe it is a genetic trait. Have
you done anything to make sure that the same animals don't chew some of the
time and swallow at other times?
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From: timjohanns
To: post
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:23 PM
Subject: anyone noticed
>anyone that is playing with snappers out there noticed feeding patterns
>described as chewers or swallowers, they all seem to hunt the floating
food,
>but some gulp it down while others chew and their is a size difference
>associated with it
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Subject: Re: anyone noticed
From: "bennett"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:22:14 -0500
> If you get a chance I am still interested in getting any information you
>can provide me concerning water depth, cover, confinement techniques etc.
on
>snapping turtles.
Ditto to me Tim. I've been hoping to get info on raising turtles for some
time now.
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Subject: snappers
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:39:24 -0800
we are now checking the turtles on individual basis, the chewing of tails is
universal when hungry and can be eliminated with more feedings, we thought
the chew/swallow was assoc. with size/ stage of growth but since we have
them in all stages of growth this can be checked also, perhaps the
rubber-back turtles will exibit this trait also, it remains to be seen. An
aquaintance brought us a snapper yesterday he caught in a 330 conibear while
spring beaver trapping, river water temps are below 60 degrees here yet the
turtles are obviously running and out of hibernation. We checked the females
yesterday, three large ones 15lbs. plus had been in a tub in the basement
since nov. they were weighed then and covered to lay dormant for the winter,
they were not fed, nor was the water changed, they lost exactly 0 lbs. try
that with cattle!!!! the perfect livestock, when they're of no producing
use, they go dormant!!! what fun.
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Subject: turtles
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:02:03 -0800
when planning for water coverage, tip the turtle on his side or measure the
width of his shell, that's the depth of water needed. they need to get out
and sun and dry those shells. about four hours per day if possible during
active months, we are experimenting with confinement, they can't be on
concrete, they get infection in their shells, you can't raise them from the
wild, they have to be raised after hatching, due to stunting in the wild,
like the bluegills from quarries and ponds, these guys are eating machines
but the climate works against them, the reptile/ cold thing holds them back,
they spend too much time at the bottom of the food chain post - hatch. the
males are more aggressive and grow faster, so hatch males, we find their
appetites increase to voracious levels and demand more frequent feedings as
they grow, and unless increased to meet demand, canabalism ensues.
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Subject: more turtle stuff
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:12:13 -0800
we tried raising wild hand caught snappers, but they don't grow, turtles
have a clear web-like substance in the peritoneal cavity that is interlaced
with eggs of differing sizes, this facilitates laying eggs in many places,
decreasing the incidence of predation, increasing hatching numbers and so
on. in captivity you simply await ovulation, and expulsion of the floating
egg to begin hatching.
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