Aquaponics Digest - Mon 05/08/00
Message 1: Re: alkalinity
from laberge@cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Message 2: Re: alkalinity
from "Angela O."
Message 3: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Matt Mirabello"
Message 4: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from ESohm
Message 5: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Wendy Nagurny"
Message 6: Tilapia and worms and frogs
from "timjohanns"
Message 7: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Christopher Reed"
Message 8: vermiculture bins
from "timjohanns"
Message 9: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Melvin Landers"
Message 10: Re: vermiculture bins
from marc@aculink.net
Message 11: The Roach Commune
from "Melvin Landers"
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Subject: Re: alkalinity
From: laberge@cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:28:33 -0400
Thanks Adriana I'll try the epson salt...by the way , my hardness is 300 ppm
and alkalinity is 25 ppm and very unstable
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Subject: Re: alkalinity
From: "Angela O."
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:52:07 -0700
I dont know what water testingf is avalible to you in your area
USUALLY the magnesium tes is the more expensive of the hardness tests if you can no get it
done by some government agency
maybe 25 dollars would be an approximate cost
having it [performed ONE tiem would at least give you a BASELINE of where you are now
3 major components in hardness are Chlorine calcium and magnesium
and the chlorides test is about the easiest and cheepest to do
everyoen then seems to LUMP the calcium and magnesium together and call it al the calcium but
that isnt necessarly a GOOD way to do things on a LONG TERM basis
the magnesium sulfide (epsom salts) will affect your ph as well as your hardness sooooooooooo
maybe start with a 5 gallon bucket of you r water for a few of yoru experiments
hope i helped
R.
>From: laberge@cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
>To: "aqua"
>Subject: Re: alkalinity
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:28:33 -0400
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
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>Thanks Adriana I'll try the epson salt...by the way , my hardness is 300 ppm
>and alkalinity is 25 ppm and very unstable
Hugss,
Angela
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Matt Mirabello"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:11:13 -0400
I have no experience with aquaculture but i do have some experience with
raising insects.
May i suggest (If you decide to go with this), to culture Madagasgar hissing
cochroaches.
They are larger, have no wings, give live birth, and grow fast. But more
importantly are easy to catch if they escape, not very tollerant of lower
temperatures, will not infest a house, and do not produce a lot of the
noxious chemicals associated with common roaches. I bought 3 and had nearly
50 in a year.
as for the protein analysis, I only have data for the european house
cricket.
Hope this helps
Matt
>I've actually had similar thoughts.. I know my catfish and hybrid bream
>love cockroaches, and have considered raising the super bugs on food
>scraps.. Always wondered what would be involved in roach farming.
>Other than watching out for the occasional lynch mob, or the fellows in
>white coats, that is..
>Jim
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: ESohm
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:36:43 EDT
Matt,
You forgot to tell everybody how BIG and UGLY these Madagascar hissing
cockroaches really are. And about how they HISS....
I don't raise fish, lettuce or cockroaches (yet), but I can only imagine how
distasteful any breed of cockroaches would be if delivered to a fine
restaurant along with the lettuce! Have you ever had one running across the
dinner table? I have!!! Never went back there to eat!!!
Sanity check.
Evan
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Wendy Nagurny"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:42:04 -0400
Matt,
Madagascar hissing roaches are far more valuable when marketed at novelty
pets. Besides, fifty roaches a year, would not be of much good as a food
source. You need something that puts out thousands. :-) If you have your
heart set on a roach (ick), then try palmetto bugs. Equally gross, more
prolific, but not as slick as a common house roach. I think I prefer
dealing with meal worms.
Wendy
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>I have no experience with aquaculture but i do have some experience with
>raising insects.
>May i suggest (If you decide to go with this), to culture Madagasgar
hissing
>cochroaches.
>They are larger, have no wings, give live birth, and grow fast. But more
>importantly are easy to catch if they escape, not very tollerant of lower
>temperatures, will not infest a house, and do not produce a lot of the
>noxious chemicals associated with common roaches. I bought 3 and had
nearly
>50 in a year.
>as for the protein analysis, I only have data for the european house
>cricket.
>
>Hope this helps
>Matt
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Subject: Tilapia and worms and frogs
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:28 -0700
Hey got hooked-up on those jumbo 6 lb. bullfrogs from Ken's thanks for the
great links and info Scott. Anyone else see the post I had on less than
25.00 per lb. wrigglers? Happy D is happy to sell them for 20.00 if you buy
5 lbs worth, nah, I'll hold-out for a better hook-up, who's the vermiculture
dude? Hook me up!! Is it Steve? Oh, I'm taking a trip to a near-by fish farm
to get Tilapia breeders and some fry, does 20.00 for breeders, say 2-4 lbs.
and .10 per inch for fingerlings sound like the right market price? Has
anyone bought recently? TIA
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Christopher Reed"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:45:11 -0400
Crickets! Lizard lovers raise them for their pets. Easy to catch. Cichlids
like 'em.
Roaches!? ugh.
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Subject: vermiculture bins
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:45:12 -0700
Has anyone on list ever purchased those plans off the net for the
vermiculture bins made from 2x4 lumber and plywood and the heating cables to
keep temps constant?? Do they work?? Is it worth the cash? Does anyone
recommend them or have a better design / idea?? Inquiring minds...
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Melvin Landers"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:00:48 -0500
O.K. I just have to put my two cents worth in here. Roaches do have their
problems (diseases included) when allowed to run loose. But, they do fine in
labs all over the world when given the proper confinement. The secret here
would be to raise them in a completely sealed plexiglass or glass aquarium
with air provided not through standard screening, but through anti thrip
screening. Consult your local greenhouse supply business for this.
Remove roaches and feed through an opening in the top that you can clear
roaches from when you want to open it. For insurance treat the structure you
are using with Boric acid " in those hard to reach areas where roaches like
to hide". Boric acid is the only effective roach control.
I raised black widows in a set up like this in the kitchen when I was
doing aggression studies. Now there is a critter you don't want escaping
into your house.
The palm leaf matt I slept on in the Amazon jungle was lined underneath
by a solid sheet of roaches at all times. And they didn't hurt me one bit.
They have lived side by side with people for a very long time. Sweet dreams.
melvin landers
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From: Wendy Nagurny
To: Aquaponics
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
>Matt,
>Madagascar hissing roaches are far more valuable when marketed at novelty
>pets. Besides, fifty roaches a year, would not be of much good as a food
>source. You need something that puts out thousands. :-) If you have your
>heart set on a roach (ick), then try palmetto bugs. Equally gross, more
>prolific, but not as slick as a common house roach. I think I prefer
>dealing with meal worms.
>Wendy
>
>>
>>I have no experience with aquaculture but i do have some experience with
>>raising insects.
>>May i suggest (If you decide to go with this), to culture Madagasgar
>hissing
>>cochroaches.
>>They are larger, have no wings, give live birth, and grow fast. But more
>>importantly are easy to catch if they escape, not very tollerant of lower
>>temperatures, will not infest a house, and do not produce a lot of the
>>noxious chemicals associated with common roaches. I bought 3 and had
>nearly
>>50 in a year.
>>as for the protein analysis, I only have data for the european house
>>cricket.
>>
>>Hope this helps
>>Matt
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: vermiculture bins
From: marc@aculink.net
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 21:55:27 -0600
To actual and potential worm enthusiasts.
Here's a list of worm sites that have information, stuff to
spend money on or whatever.
I highly recommend folks who want to start in vermiculture
to explore the first web site called "oldgrowth" in depth.
This is because several reasons.
The internet is full of scam artists and the vermiculture
field has several scams.
The buy back scam. This scam promises to buy back the worms
you grow. Check with the newsgroup on the "oldgrowth" web
page prior to entering into one of these schemes to see if
it's bogus.
The complete grower package. There are some good growing
packages. There a some scam growing packages. Again, check
with the group on old growth.
The red worm package. There are many different "RED WORMS"
in existence. There only a few species that are worth
buying. Make sure the red worms you buy are from a credible
source and are the worm you want for what you want to do.
Some undesirable "red worms" can compete with the good red
worms and you'll never be able to get rid of them. They can
actually move from the now worthless worm bed to good beds
like a virus.
When in doubt check with the worm group and especially take
time to read their archives. Excellent growing, breed, scam
and other info there. You can spend hours and still be
getting good info.
(Let me know if any of these links are dead.)
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://www.smartgardening.com/wormsuppliers.htm
http://www.dragnet.com.au/~lindah/worms.html
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://gnv.fdt.net/~windle/
http://www.unclejim.com/index.shtml
http://www.redclaw.com/
http://www.drylands.demon.co.uk/wigglers.htm
http://www.earthworm.net
http://www.ctvalley.com/nightcrawler.htm
http://www.wormfarm.com/
http://www.vermiculture.u8.com/2Menu.html
http://www.yelmworms.com/
http://www.afn.org/~kazarie/
http://www.nj.com/yucky/worm/
http://www.happydranch.com/
http://www.empnet.com/worms/resource.htm
http://www.mirinz.org.nz/penv/Publications/Composting.htm
http://www.wormwoman.com/commercial_vermiculture.html
http://www.vermint.com.au/growers.html.htm
http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~ccat/sub/vermi.htm
http://overton.tamu.edu/smith/oldsmith/vermiculture.html
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/vermicom.htmlhttp://uccecalaveras.org/compost3.htm
http://hopper.usfca.edu/env-safety/Compost/worm.htmlhttp://www.smartgardening.com/wormcomposting.htm
Enjoy,
Marc
timjohanns wrote:
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> Has anyone on list ever purchased those plans off the net for the
> vermiculture bins made from 2x4 lumber and plywood and the heating cables to
> keep temps constant?? Do they work?? Is it worth the cash? Does anyone
> recommend them or have a better design / idea?? Inquiring minds...
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Subject: The Roach Commune
From: "Melvin Landers"
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:34:30 -0500
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