Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/09/00
Message 1: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Donald W. Trotter"
Message 2: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 3: PH&G - Issue 52 - ADM-Turning Waste into Growth
from "Sulfercreek"
Message 4: unsubscribe
from mcmgroup
Message 5: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
from "Melvin Landers"
Message 6: snip
from "timjohanns"
Message 7: Re: snip
from Sojourner
Message 8: Re: snip
from William Evans
Message 9: Re: snip
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 10: #$&%^$@
from "timjohanns"
Message 11: Melvin Landers booklets
from Doug Peckenpaugh
Message 12: Re: Tilapia and worms and frogs
from "Steve"
Message 13: Re: vermiculture bins
from "Steve"
Message 14: sources and types of tilapia
from "peter algra"
Message 15: Re: Melvin Landers booklets
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 16: Re: snip
from marc@aculink.net
Message 17: red claw mating behavior
from "timjohanns"
Message 18: Adrianna, worm group?
from "timjohanns"
Message 19: RE: redclaw mating behaviour
from Robert WALKER
Message 20: Robert, my man!!!
from "timjohanns"
Message 21: Re: Melvin Landers booklets
from "Melvin Landers"
Message 22: I blew it again
from "Melvin Landers"
Message 23: Re: Adrianna, worm group?
from "Steve"
Message 24: RE: red claw mating behavior
from "Angela O."
Message 25: Re: sources and types of tilapia
from "Steve"
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Donald W. Trotter"
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:14:28 -0700
Matt,
I'm with Wendy here. I do grow and breed certain exotic reptiles and have
found that the Madagascar cucaracha is far too valuable as a novelty item
to feed to fishes. And you may freak out your young fish by putting out
such large food morsels.
Mealworms are good but crickets are fast breeders and fish go nuts for
them. They do put out the thousands your looking for and you can easily
manipulate their diets by adding things to their water supply. The practice
of dusting them with calcium is done for the viatamin D3 synthesis along
with sunlight. They make an excellent fish food, are prolific, and provide
a super source of vitamins and minerals when supplemented.
Don
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 03:03:34 -0400
> The palm leaf matt I slept on in the Amazon jungle was lined underneath
> by a solid sheet of roaches at all times. And they didn't hurt me one bit.
> They have lived side by side with people for a very long time. Sweet dreams.
> melvin landers
Euuuuwwww!!! It sounds like the latest in back massage mattresses. The
natural equivalent of those seat pads with the wooden balls. :>)
Adriana
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Subject: PH&G - Issue 52 - ADM-Turning Waste into Growth
From: "Sulfercreek"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:08:01 -0400
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Subject: unsubscribe
From: mcmgroup
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 06:53:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
From: "Melvin Landers"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:02:53 -0500
Dear Adriana,
I think you have hit on a good product to market on the internet. If you
could just get about a million customers who are suffering from extreme heat
and exhaustion, you could make a bundle. Thanks for the laugh.
melvin landers
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From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: Hmmmmm...Chirpy...
>
>> The palm leaf matt I slept on in the Amazon jungle was lined
underneath
>> by a solid sheet of roaches at all times. And they didn't hurt me one
bit.
>> They have lived side by side with people for a very long time. Sweet
dreams.
>> melvin landers
>
>Euuuuwwww!!! It sounds like the latest in back massage mattresses. The
>natural equivalent of those seat pads with the wooden balls. :>)
>
>Adriana
>
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Subject: snip
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:17:29 -0700
A computer man, I am not, so tell me, how does one snip??? How do you cut
out those little excerpts to reply to part of someones post? If this is a
lengthy, detailed endeavor, please contact me off line bioman@osage.net TIA
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Subject: Re: snip
From: Sojourner
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:41:50 -0500
timjohanns wrote:
>
> A computer man, I am not, so tell me, how does one snip??? How do you cut
> out those little excerpts to reply to part of someones post? If this is a
> lengthy, detailed endeavor, please contact me off line bioman@osage.net TIA
Position the cursor at the beginning of the text you want to snip. If
you are using the mouse, simply hold the left button down and move the
cursor to the end of the text you want to get rid of. The text will be
highlighted. Now hit either the Backspace or Delete keys. You can also
do this via the keyboard by using the arrow keys and holding the SHIFT
button down to select the text you want to get rid of.
--
Holly ;-D
Contrary Peasant
sojournr@missouri.org
If you see the Bhudda by the side of the road . . .
give the poor slob a lift, his car probably broke down.
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Subject: Re: snip
From: William Evans
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 07:08:22 -0700
timjohanns wrote:
>
> A computer man, I am not, so tell me, how does one snip??? How do you cut
> out those little excerpts to reply to part of someones post?
highlight the text, copy, paste into new message
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Subject: Re: snip
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:17:51 +0100
Tim,
> A computer man, I am not, so tell me, how does one
> snip??? How do you cut out those little excerpts to
> reply to part of someones post?
This depends on the current layout of IE5. I recommend you try the
following:
Select View->Layout... from the menu. In the upper half of the box that
appears, set Contacts, Status Bar, Folder List, Toolbar; to ON (ticked)
and Outlook Bar, Views Bar, Folder Bar; to OFF. In the lower half, set
Show preview pane, Below messages, Show preview pane header; to ON. Hit
OK.
You should now have a list of messages in an upper pane, clicking on one
will display the actual contents of it in the pane below. Below the main
menu should be a row of buttons - one of them is Reply (if this isn't
there, call up the Layout box again, press Customise Toolbar, find and
select Reply in the left window, press the Add button, press OK).
I find this to be the easiest layout, try different ones as you go.
So, with the message you want to reply to selected, press the Reply
button. The usual Compose Message window appears but the details of who
it's from, to and the subject are already filled in for you (you can
change them if needed). The original message should be in the main part
of the window and you can now edit and add to it as you wish.
It should also add a symbol such as ">" to the beginning of each line.
Unfortunately, even if you mess with the line length options (mail me if
you need more info) it often doesn't do this quite correctly and you
will probably find it easiest to shorten the line length of the original
message manually (as I have done to the part of your message above) to
avoid line-breaks appearing in odd places when posting to lists etc.
I think that's about it - let me know if I missed anything important.
Barry
barrythomas@btinternet.com
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Subject: #$&%^$@
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:42:41 -0700
The other day I had to E-mail Paula to have her resend a message with
addresses and contacts on it because my teenager had decided to delete "a
bunch of old stuff", well despite an elevated conversation, she managed to
pull the same stunt again, this time she deleted the info that someone sent
in a post in reply to my request for info on vermiculture bins, some of the
text included websites and references to "old growth" if anyone has this in
their files and would kindly forward it to me or post it to all I would
greatly appreciate it, I will be busy tying up my teenager. TIA
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Subject: Melvin Landers booklets
From: Doug Peckenpaugh
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:34:19 -0700
Melvin:
I tried to send you and e-mail off the list (to beaconhrt@positech.net)
but my e-mail program said that it didn't go through. I would love to go
over the booklets you are putting together on organic and traditional
hydroponics. You can send them to me at this address
(doug@growingedge.com) and I'll provide any feedback I can. Thanks!
Douglas J. Peckenpaugh
Editor, The Growing Edge
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Subject: Re: Tilapia and worms and frogs
From: "Steve"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:30:44 -0500
Hello TIA,
Glad you were able to "get right" with Ken's. These people have always been
100% with me.
I'm not the "vermiculture dude" but I am the one who sent you the
information. There is someone out there on the list who has a very good list
of vermiculture info. If he/she reads this, maybe he/she will respond.
Now, this is where I get into trouble with the list. I am a Mike Sipe fan. I
have read many, many post where people have trouble with their fish,
breeders,disease, lack of communication, blah, blah, blah.
Maybe you can get your breeders for $3 or $4 or even for free. What good
does it do you if they don't produce?
Mike is a true pioneer in this business. I bought my breeders from him and I
have had literally thousands of babies from them. I, in sort of a macabre
way, am glad that I am new to this business and have killed hundreds if not
thousands of babies, due to negligence, malaise and ignorance because the
breeders that I got from Mike are just like that "ever-ready battery", they
just keep on and keep on and keep on.
So, do what you think is best. By the way, I don't make a dime out of
anything that Mike does.
DON'T GET SUCKED INTO THE STUPID $1,000 CONCRETE FISH PEN LIKE I DID!!
I always send this because I think Mike has a great business w/o this stupid
thing that just doesn't work...unless you live in Manila, Singapore, Miami,
Jakarta, L.A., or some other place where they just don't have winter.
Go to: http://www.cherrysnapper.com
Take care.......Steve
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From: "timjohanns"
To: "post"
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Tilapia and worms and frogs
> Hey got hooked-up on those jumbo 6 lb. bullfrogs from Ken's thanks for the
> great links and info Scott. Anyone else see the post I had on less than
> 25.00 per lb. wrigglers? Happy D is happy to sell them for 20.00 if you
buy
> 5 lbs worth, nah, I'll hold-out for a better hook-up, who's the
vermiculture
> dude? Hook me up!! Is it Steve? Oh, I'm taking a trip to a near-by fish
farm
> to get Tilapia breeders and some fry, does 20.00 for breeders, say 2-4
lbs.
> and .10 per inch for fingerlings sound like the right market price? Has
> anyone bought recently? TIA
>
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Subject: Re: vermiculture bins
From: "Steve"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:32:30 -0500
There you go TIA. I knew he/she was out there somewhere.
Steve
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From:
To:
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: vermiculture bins
> To actual and potential worm enthusiasts.
>
> Here's a list of worm sites that have information, stuff to
> spend money on or whatever.
>
> I highly recommend folks who want to start in vermiculture
> to explore the first web site called "oldgrowth" in depth.
>
> This is because several reasons.
>
> The internet is full of scam artists and the vermiculture
> field has several scams.
>
> The buy back scam. This scam promises to buy back the worms
> you grow. Check with the newsgroup on the "oldgrowth" web
> page prior to entering into one of these schemes to see if
> it's bogus.
>
> The complete grower package. There are some good growing
> packages. There a some scam growing packages. Again, check
> with the group on old growth.
>
> The red worm package. There are many different "RED WORMS"
> in existence. There only a few species that are worth
> buying. Make sure the red worms you buy are from a credible
> source and are the worm you want for what you want to do.
> Some undesirable "red worms" can compete with the good red
> worms and you'll never be able to get rid of them. They can
> actually move from the now worthless worm bed to good beds
> like a virus.
>
> When in doubt check with the worm group and especially take
> time to read their archives. Excellent growing, breed, scam
> and other info there. You can spend hours and still be
> getting good info.
>
> (Let me know if any of these links are dead.)
>
> http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
> http://www.smartgardening.com/wormsuppliers.htm
> http://www.dragnet.com.au/~lindah/worms.html
> http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
> http://gnv.fdt.net/~windle/
> http://www.unclejim.com/index.shtml
> http://www.redclaw.com/
> http://www.drylands.demon.co.uk/wigglers.htm
> http://www.earthworm.net
> http://www.ctvalley.com/nightcrawler.htm
> http://www.wormfarm.com/
> http://www.vermiculture.u8.com/2Menu.html
> http://www.yelmworms.com/
> http://www.afn.org/~kazarie/
> http://www.nj.com/yucky/worm/
> http://www.happydranch.com/
> http://www.empnet.com/worms/resource.htm
> http://www.mirinz.org.nz/penv/Publications/Composting.htm
> http://www.wormwoman.com/commercial_vermiculture.html
> http://www.vermint.com.au/growers.html.htm
> http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~ccat/sub/vermi.htm
> http://overton.tamu.edu/smith/oldsmith/vermiculture.html
>
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/vermicom.htmlhttp://uccecalaveras.org/compost
3.htm
>
http://hopper.usfca.edu/env-safety/Compost/worm.htmlhttp://www.smartgardenin
g.com/wormcomposting.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> timjohanns wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone on list ever purchased those plans off the net for the
> > vermiculture bins made from 2x4 lumber and plywood and the heating
cables to
> > keep temps constant?? Do they work?? Is it worth the cash? Does anyone
> > recommend them or have a better design / idea?? Inquiring minds...
>
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Subject: sources and types of tilapia
From: "peter algra"
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:08:45 PDT
hi everyone.
I am looking at starting an aquaponics system and am curious about what
breed of tilapia people are the happiest with. I also would like to know if
anyone can verify the claims of mike sipe. The claimed growth rates of his
fish seem phenomenal compared to anyone elses. Also I am curious as to which
type is most cold tolerant, and how cold tolerant. I am looking at starting
in British Columbia and am trying to figure out the best way to heat a
system.
Thanks
Peter
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Subject: Re: Melvin Landers booklets
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:45:19 +0700
Doug Peckenpaugh wrote:
> Melvin:
>
> I tried to send you and e-mail off the list (to beaconhrt@positech.net)
> but my e-mail program said that it didn't go through. I would love to go
> over the booklets you are putting together on organic and traditional
> hydroponics. You can send them to me at this address
> (doug@growingedge.com) and I'll provide any feedback I can. Thanks!
>
> Douglas J. Peckenpaugh
> Editor, The Growing Edge
Hello Douglas
Melvin's e-mail adress is beacnhrt@positech.com
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: snip
From: marc@aculink.net
Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:02:33 -0600
You get a pair of computer scissors and....... just kidding.
I use Windows 98 and Netscape for a browser and mail
software. It is easier to reply to you if you give your
operating system and mail software.
I click on reply and get a reply screen when I am reading a
letter I want to respond to.
I hold my shift or ctrl key down AND my left mouse button
and move my cursor over the text I want to delete (snip). I
press delete. The stuff I want to snip goes away.
I can also use your left, right, up and down keys.
If I change my mind I press the ctrl and z key at the same
time and the last thing I do is undone.
These are commonly called editing commands and pressing F1
or clicking on help can get you to their source depending on
your software. If you are using DOS or CP/M you may find a
different approach is needed.
Marc S. Nameth
timjohanns wrote:
>
> A computer man, I am not, so tell me, how does one snip??? How do you cut
> out those little excerpts to reply to part of someones post? If this is a
> lengthy, detailed endeavor, please contact me off line bioman@osage.net TIA
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Subject: red claw mating behavior
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:57:59 -0700
Does anyone in the crowd have experience with the mating rituals of the red
claw? Also I see them tip on their side from time to time, male and female
both do this, sometimes they seem to be preening and other times they sit
motionless, I thought they were dying at first, but they start moving around
eventually. Wondered if there were warning signs, behavior-wise to let me
know they are in trouble physically, my books are vague and general in
nature, so I am left to observations to guide me. Any help would be
appreciated.
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Subject: Adrianna, worm group?
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:13:33 -0700
Adrianna, you mentioned, check with the worm group.. and their archives.
What or who are the worm group? E chatters or what. TIA and thanks for
bringing up the post a second time, I opted not to break her fingers this
time, but resorted to the handiman's secret weapon...duck tape. I'll go get
her from the woods later......:>)
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Subject: RE: redclaw mating behaviour
From: Robert WALKER
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:12:14 +1000
G'day,
I have been playing with Redclaw for over a year now, mainly
in tanks, just learning - although planning to set up some
ponds in Queensland, Australia - the natural home of the
Redclaw.
Anyway, as to lying on their sides it could be:
1. Preening, especially if the water is newer, they tend to
get down and have a bath so to speak.
2. Is one of them Female, if so, she could be trying to pass
her eggs through the sperm sack placed on her abdomen. This
is common when they have mated.
3. Again, if Female, should could be looking after her eggs.
4. Does the cray feel a bit soft, it could be getting ready
to moult.
5. Otherwise it could be resting, or worst case on its last legs
(if it does turn up its toes, cutting the cray just after the
eyes will determine if its moult related, as the gastroliths
will be enlarged).
* Discussions with Queensland researchers have not really identified
their cause of death, other than the major diseases. It seems
that the stress of moulting are often the result of many deaths.
Hope this helps,
Robert Walker.
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Subject: Robert, my man!!!
From: "timjohanns"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:52:53 -0700
Hey guy it could be all the above, they're in newly set-up tanks for
breeding, taken from their ponds for the first time. The males I picked are
6 1/2" in body size and the females are about 5 - 6" on average. The tanks
are alittle merky tonight I may have to change water, I fear I overfed for a
tank culture, looking a little whitish, are they tolerant of ammonia or no?
The one female is a little soft, I thought she had just gotten over a moult,
they soften prior to a moult ? My assumption was that they went thru a molt
and regained hardness gradually, this is not the process? Also do you know
of a good detailed book or am I on my own here ?
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Subject: Re: Melvin Landers booklets
From: "Melvin Landers"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:32:17 -0500
Dear Doug,
Thank you for your kind offer. That is very nice coming from the editor
of The growing Edge. I'll tell Raul that you are willing to do that. I'm not
sure you are going to go along with it though. Although Raul has nothing
against using chemicals for hydroponic solutions, his approach of using
nutrient solution produced in a biodigester offers a viable organic
alternative.
Wouldn't some of your readers be angry with us for presenting this? I had
considered submitting an article to you for publication , but, thaught that
we would be tied up for months responding to outraged growers.
Arn't some traditional hydroponic growers trying to get their produce
labeled as organic? If they could get the government to accept their produce
as organic they could increase their prices. If we barge in with a workable
organically produced solution it would be like reaching into their pockets
to take some of their money from them. I had decided to go with a more quiet
approach and hope that some growers would see the write ups somewhere else
and start presenting it to their collegues from the inside.
It's not that we can't provide answeres or take the heat, it's just that
we are both so buisy trying to get some useful information out to poor
farmers that we can't afford too many distractions. We do need publicity to
try to arrange for some more research etc. but, we are hoping to keep
focused on training subsistance farmers and hopefully still making a living
in our spare time. If you think I am wrong I would be more than happy to
hear your views on this. Thank you again for your willingness to look over
the material and give your feedback on it. That is very gracious of you.
Sincerely
Melvin Landers
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Peckenpaugh
To: Aquaponics Mailing List
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: Melvin Landers booklets
>Melvin:
>
>I tried to send you and e-mail off the list (to beaconhrt@positech.net)
>but my e-mail program said that it didn't go through. I would love to go
>over the booklets you are putting together on organic and traditional
>hydroponics. You can send them to me at this address
>(doug@growingedge.com) and I'll provide any feedback I can. Thanks!
>
>Douglas J. Peckenpaugh
>Editor, The Growing Edge
>
>
>
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Subject: I blew it again
From: "Melvin Landers"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:55:56 -0500
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Subject: Re: Adrianna, worm group?
From: "Steve"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:26:57 -0500
Hi,
I'm sure that you have had other responses to this by now, but I am just
going over my mail.
If you will go to: www.happydranch.com, you can find a lot of information.
They have chatgroups, general info, etc.
Have a GREAT day......Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "timjohanns"
To: "post"
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: Adrianna, worm group?
> Adrianna, you mentioned, check with the worm group.. and their archives.
> What or who are the worm group? E chatters or what. TIA and thanks for
> bringing up the post a second time, I opted not to break her fingers this
> time, but resorted to the handiman's secret weapon...duck tape. I'll go
get
> her from the woods later......:>)
>
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| Message 24 |
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Subject: RE: red claw mating behavior
From: "Angela O."
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:42:39 -0700
Tim,
Am not familure with RED claw however, Do raise P.Clarkie.
We raise crayfish in rotation with rice crops on large acerages.
In the spring of the year we let the water out of the ponds/fields slowly so that the crayfish
can burrow down before we begin to cultivate for rice planting.
Many of the crayfish migrate to the drainage ditches surrounding the fields.
I have noted that on the first 2-3 days in the drainage ditches they are undergoing their
burrowing activity, but when I approach they seem to "play dead" so to speak many laying on
their sides others simpy not moving. No scientific info to back this up however i believe they
are in new surroundings and a bit scared. I have noted if I stand by quietly for about 15 min
they slowly begin to stir and come back to life, sensing there is no danger from me.
As I said, nothing scientific to back this up just casual observations. Hope this helps a
little.
>From: "timjohanns"
>To: "post"
>Subject: red claw mating behavior
>Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:57:59 -0700
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Does anyone in the crowd have experience with the mating rituals of the red
>claw? Also I see them tip on their side from time to time, male and female
>both do this, sometimes they seem to be preening and other times they sit
>motionless, I thought they were dying at first, but they start moving around
>eventually. Wondered if there were warning signs, behavior-wise to let me
>know they are in trouble physically, my books are vague and general in
>nature, so I am left to observations to guide me. Any help would be
>appreciated.
Hugss,
Angela
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| Message 25 |
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Subject: Re: sources and types of tilapia
From: "Steve"
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:58:04 -0500
Hi,
(I can hear the groans from the list already..."Oh NO, I wish he hadn't
asked that!" HERE COMES STEVE AGAIN!!)
I have nothing but praise for Mike & his product. (Not the concrete tank
though. It may work well in warm climates, but would not work in colder
climates unless you spent a million $ building a foundation for it. I live
in Wisconsin.)
I bought 2 male nilotica "chocolates" (I call them my chihuahuas. They are
so cool.), 2 nilotica "Reds" (meanest damned fish I ever saw) & 8 females
from Mike. This was back in November (I think.) (The 2 original chocolates
died almost immediately. I'm sure that I did something stupid. Mike replaced
them immediately with no questions asked.) The new chocolates, the reds and
the females are still doing well.
I have had, and am still having, excellent success with them. They have
produced, probably, close to 2,000 or more babies. The first ones, babies,
are probably about a month from marketable size. Considering that I didn't
get the first batch of babies until December, that is close to a 7 month
growout. (Now, in defense of Mike's 4-6 mo. growout claim, I was not able to
keep the water temp 80+ degrees as he recommends. Too much $ in heating
costs. I was able to maintain only 70+ deg. throughout the growing time.)
I don't think you are going to find a "cold tolerant" Tilapia, yet anyway. I
believe that +/- 56 deg. F is a death sentence for them. (I am not a real
authority on this though.)
I will, in the next couple of months, try Mike's new Nilotica White. He says
they do well and are not as aggressive as the "reds". I can wholeheartedly
recommend the "chocolates" though.
Hope this helps.
(NO GANG!! MIKE & I ARE NOT LOVERS!!)
Hope this helps. Lots of success to you. Take care...
Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "peter algra"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:08 PM
Subject: sources and types of tilapia
> hi everyone.
>
> I am looking at starting an aquaponics system and am curious about what
> breed of tilapia people are the happiest with. I also would like to know
if
> anyone can verify the claims of mike sipe. The claimed growth rates of his
> fish seem phenomenal compared to anyone elses. Also I am curious as to
which
> type is most cold tolerant, and how cold tolerant. I am looking at
starting
> in British Columbia and am trying to figure out the best way to heat a
> system.
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
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