Aquaponics Digest - Fri 01/08/99
Message 1: Karas
from "Wendy Nagurny"
Message 2: Fwd. Resource - [IBS-GEN] Greetings - IBS forum in 1999
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 3: Donate $100.00 to the OCA and receive a free hardback copy of
Mad Cow USA.
from Debbie Ortman
Message 4: US 'Mad Cow' Legal Action (Please Post)
from Debbie Ortman
Message 5: Winter in the northern hemisphere
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Re: Karas
from "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Message 7: Re: Karas
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 8: Cloning!!!
from "Susanne Machler"
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Subject: Karas
From: "Wendy Nagurny"
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:23:11 -0500
I was looking through a Polish cook book and found some recipes for Karas.
The book states that these are Poland's best tasting pan fish, but are not
found in North American waters. It also states that the recipes cannot be
used substituting usual NA pan fish because of the amount of bones in our
fish. The scientific genus for Karas or Crucian is Carassius. These are
"Goldfish"! Does anybody know what species of Carassius are used as a pan
fish in Poland? If aquaculturing the Polish Karas is anything like the
normal aquarium goldfish, it would seem like this might be a preferred
species for cooler systems, providing there was a market for them in NA.
Wendy
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Subject: Fwd. Resource - [IBS-GEN] Greetings - IBS forum in 1999
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:29:55 -0600
Following are sign-on instructions for a new integrated bio-systems
discussion on Africa, as well as the web site for the proceedings of last
years discussions. If you have any questions, contact Jacky Food direct
. Paula
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>Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:34:08 +0100
>Sender: Integrated Bio-Systems - General Forum
>From: Jacky Foo
>Subject: [IBS-GEN] Greetings - IBS forum in 1999
>To: ET-W1@SEGATE.SUNET.SE
>
>From: Jacky Foo
>
>To IBS list subscribers
>
>Best wishes for 1999 and thank you for the greetings that some of you have
>sent me.
>
>In this message I like to provide some background information on the ET-W1
>mailing list as it will provide some perspective for its future.
>
>The mailing list is provided by the UNESCO Microbial Resources Centre
>(MIRCEN), Stockholm through facilities made available at SEGATE.SUNET.SE of
>the Royal Institute of Technology (Stockholm). The need for such a mailing
>list came from the ZERI project at UNU/IAS (Inst of Advanced Studies,
>United Nations University, Tokyo). The ZERI project's mailing lists started
>out in 1995 at CAREN.NET (Science University of Tokyo) but when CAREN.NET
>services closed down, all the lists were moved to @MSIAS.IAS.UNU.EDU at
>UNU/IAS itself using the LISTSERV software. The mailing list for integrated
>bio-systems was named IBS-GEN. In Oct 1997 I moved it to SEGATE.SUNET.SE
>because of the web interface which was needed for the Internet Conference
>on Integrated Bio-Systems. MIRCEN-Stockholm also provided some 15 mailing
>lists for the ICIBS.
>
>Now that the ICIBS is over, the UNU/IAS will continue to support until
>April 1999 the updating of the UNU/IAS Resource Site on Integrated
>BioSystems (http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/resource) which
>includes this mailing list. I have not taken up any discussion on what will
>happen from May 1999 but I hope that the Inst of Advanced Studies will
>continue to provide its support.
>
>MIRCEN, in cooperation with other individuals and organizations, hope to
>launch the Internet Conference on Biotechnology in Africa in the near
>future. IBS will be one of the many topics
>(http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-25860/jacky/africa.htm) suggested and will give
>a greater opportunity for those from African countries who missed the ICIBS
>to present their work.
>
>Identifying researchers and practitioners who have email access in African
>countries will not be an easy task but I hope that with the cooperation of
>the 330 subscribers from this list, we will be able to start identifying
>IBS-people and contacting them to join ET-W1 and the ICB-Africa
>announcement list - IAS-WG09. To join IAS-WG09, email
>listserv@msias.ias.unu.edu and use the subscription command :
>SUB IAS-WG09 yourfirstname yourlastname
>e.g.
>sub ias-wg09 Martin Bokanga (Nigeria)
>
>Best regards
>Jacky Foo
>listowner
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S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Donate $100.00 to the OCA and receive a free hardback copy of
Mad Cow USA.
From: Debbie Ortman
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:12:52 -0800
Donate $100.00 or more and Organic Consumers Action will
send you a free hardback copy of the book: "Mad Cow USA, Could the
Nightmare Happen Here?" by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber.
Send donations to:
OCA
860 Highway 61
Little Marais, MN 55614
This applies to individuals, coops, stores, etc.
Thanks for your support.
Debbie Dunbar Ortman
National Field Organizer
Organic Consumers Action
3547 Haines Rd.
Duluth, MN 55811
(218) 726-1443
(218) 726-1446 Fax
safefood@cp.duluth.mn.us
http://www.purefood.org
Join the Organic Consumers Action in
your local area. If you want to become a member or a volunteer--or make a
donation--call (218)726-1443
To subscribe to the free electronic newsletter, Food Bytes,
send an email to: majordomo@mr.net
with the simple message: subscribe pure-food-action
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Subject: US 'Mad Cow' Legal Action (Please Post)
From: Debbie Ortman
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:54:49 -0800
EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE THURSDAY, JAN. 7, 1999
MEDIA CONTACT:
ANDREW KIMBRELL, D'ARCY KEMNITZ, ATTORNEYS AT CENTER FOR FOOD SAFETY
202-547-9359
LEGAL ACTIONS FILED TO FORCE FDA, CDC, TO COMBAT 'MAD COW' TYPE DISEASES IN
PEOPLE, WILDLIFE AND LIVESTOCK IN THE UNITED STATES.
TERMINALLY ILL UTAH HUNTER, AGE 30, COULD BE THE FIRST VICTIM OF U.S. 'MAD
DEER' DISEASE.
'MAD COW' TYPE DISEASES ARE ALREADY KILLING PEOPLE, DEER, ELK AND SHEEP IN
THE U.S.
Washington, DC -- Today, Thursday, January 7, 1999, two formal legal
petitions were filed demanding that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) act immediately to monitor,
regulate and prevent 'mad cow' type diseases in the United States. These
diseases, known as Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies, or TSEs, are
killing people, deer, elk and sheep in the United States. Petitioners
include the Humane Farming Association, the Center for Food Safety, a group
of United States CJD victims and their families and consumer, farm and
animal protectionists.
The demand for immediate government action is given added urgency by the
extremely unusual case of a thirty-year old Utah man, R. Douglas McEwen,
who is now terminally ill with CJD, a 'mad cow' type disease in humans.
Mr. McEwen hunted deer and elk; it is feared he may have contracted CJD by
eating or handling deer or elk infected with 'mad deer' disease.
Additionally, there is industry and governmental concern that as a frequent
donor Mr. McEwen may have contaminated blood products internationally.
Mr. McEwen and his wife Tracie are petitioners in today's legal actions.
His fatal disease underscores concerns that current federal regulations are
grossly inadequate to prevent and monitor potential animal and human
epidemics in the United States.
The family of 'mad cow' type disease, TSEs, include numerous strains and
have different names in different species. The best known strain is
British Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), dubbed 'mad cow disease,'
which has now spread into the British human population as 'new variant
Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease' or nvCJD. So far 33 teenagers or young adults
are confirmed dead or dying of nvCJD. Since the disease has a virtually
invisible incubation period that might last decades, it won't be known for
many years whether the final toll will be in the dozens, hundreds or
thousands of human lives.
In the United States efforts to identify, monitor and prevent human and
animal deaths from TSE diseases have been grossly inadequate, despite the
fact that people, deer, elk and sheep in the U.S. are dying from these
diseases, known as Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in people, Chronic
Wasting Disease (CWD) in deer and elk, and scrapie in sheep.
CJD in humans in the U.S. appears to be often misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's
or other types of fatal dementia, and seems much more prevalent than
admitted by government agencies. Given the very long invisible incubation
period of this 100% fatal disease, and that fact that it can be spread by
infected medical instruments and is almost impossible to kill by heat and
disinfection, and the consequences of failing to identify the disease are
extremely serious.
The first legal petition demands that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) aggressively look for CJD in humans and make CJD a reportable and
monitored disease. This petition is also being filed in all fifty states
with the appropriate state health officials.
The second legal petition demands that the Food and Drug Administration
(FDA) close serious loopholes in U.S. animal feed regulations which
currently allow types of cannibalistic feeding practices known to cause and
spread 'mad cow' type diseases in animals and humans. For instance,
current U.S. regulations allow calves to be fed milk replacer containing
cattle blood protein, and pigs to be fed back to pigs and cattle. U.S.
sheep infected with scrapie, a 'mad cow' type disease, can be used for pet
and pig feed in the U.S.
Commenting on today's legal actions Bradley Miller, National Director of
the Humane Farming Association stated, "TSEs represent a potentially
devastating threat to both human and animal health. Our government's
response to date has been shamefully inadequate. These legal actions
provide a blueprint by which federal and state agencies can act decisively
to prevent a TSE epidemic in this country."
Dr. Michael Hansen, Research Associate of Consumer's Union commented, "The
current increase of TSEs in wildlife and humans shows that the time for
effective prevention may be running out. The federal agencies must
immediately take action to avert what could become a very significant
public health problem."
Andrew Kimbrell, public interest attorney and Director of the Center for
Food Safety stated, "Given what we know now, it is unconscionable that the
CDC is not strictly monitoring this disease, and that the FDA is still
allowing the feeding of blood and other animal by-products to animals. The
federal agencies are obviously putting the interests of agribusiness
companies ahead of their duty to protect the public from this terrible and
fatal group of diseases. We will go to court if necessary to ensure that
the agencies do their job in protecting human health and animal welfare."
END
Center for Food Safety is a project of the
International Center for Technology Assessment
310 D Street, NorthEast
Washington, D.C. 20002
(202) 547-9359 telephone
(202) 547-9429 facsimile
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Subject: Winter in the northern hemisphere
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:09:12 -0600
Looks like the worst predictions we heard about this winter are coming
around. We've been iced in for the past week with about 60% of our
neighbors without power for much of that time. Just when we thought the
roads would be easily driven, we have a new storm coming in.
Hope that all of you are well and staying warm. For those in the southern
hemisphere, try to send some good weather up our way.
Best wishes to all for a safe and successful 1999.
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Karas
From: "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:09:39 -0500
Wendy Nagurny wrote:
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> If aquaculturing the Polish Karas is anything like the
> normal aquarium goldfish, it would seem like this might be a preferred
> species for cooler systems, providing there was a market for them in NA.
>
For a time, my sister's family tried to raise "white carp" (don't know
the scientific
name) for the San Francisco Bay Area Asian market. Raised in outdoor
ponds up near Anderson, California, and fed prime rations, the carp were
supposed to grow to a pound or more within six to eight months. At a
pound or more, this fish would fetch $3.00 to $4.00/lb. live weight when
delivered directly to the market. As I recall, the original stock came
from a grower somewhere in one of the southern states.
To my untutored eye, this fish had the same conformation as dime-store
variety gold fish. Most were a whitish grey color, but a certain
percentage of the spawn was distinctly gold. My nephew claimed that they
were indeed the same species.
In practice, my relatives had the same problem that some Tilapia growers
struggle with -- the fish spawned prolificly well before reaching market
size. Tireless seining would turn up a few one to two pound fish (e.g.
marketable size), but the modal weight, not counting the copius small
fry that slipped through the holes in the net, was somewhere around 10
to 12 ounces after two seasons. This fish seemed to excell at converting
expensive feed into small fry rather than marketable weight.
I've also thought that this would be an interesting fish to try in an
aquaponic system. But, clearly, one would have to initiate some manner
of family planning.
Lloyd R. Prentice
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Subject: Re: Karas
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:05 -0600
Just as an aside, on the white carp, we use white amur carp to keep
down duckweed in catfish ponds. Some triploid (genetically sterile)
carp are documented to grow to seemingly incredible sizes. I just
learned over the holiday how large. One removed from my uncle's lake
weighed in at 110 LB.
Now that's one _Big_ goldfish. I'm trying to get the photo from
him to post on my website as this was as beautiful fish according to
eyewitnesses.
Jim
Lloyd R. Prentice wrote:
>
> Wendy Nagurny wrote:
> >
> > If aquaculturing the Polish Karas is anything like the
> > normal aquarium goldfish, it would seem like this might be a preferred
> > species for cooler systems, providing there was a market for them in NA.
> >
>
> For a time, my sister's family tried to raise "white carp" (don't know
> the scientific
> name) for the San Francisco Bay Area Asian market. Raised in outdoor
> ponds up near Anderson, California, and fed prime rations, the carp were
> supposed to grow to a pound or more within six to eight months. At a
> pound or more, this fish would fetch $3.00 to $4.00/lb. live weight when
> delivered directly to the market. As I recall, the original stock came
> from a grower somewhere in one of the southern states.
>
> To my untutored eye, this fish had the same conformation as dime-store
> variety gold fish. Most were a whitish grey color, but a certain
> percentage of the spawn was distinctly gold. My nephew claimed that they
> were indeed the same species.
>
> In practice, my relatives had the same problem that some Tilapia growers
> struggle with -- the fish spawned prolificly well before reaching market
> size. Tireless seining would turn up a few one to two pound fish (e.g.
> marketable size), but the modal weight, not counting the copius small
> fry that slipped through the holes in the net, was somewhere around 10
> to 12 ounces after two seasons. This fish seemed to excell at converting
> expensive feed into small fry rather than marketable weight.
>
> I've also thought that this would be an interesting fish to try in an
> aquaponic system. But, clearly, one would have to initiate some manner
> of family planning.
>
> Lloyd R. Prentice
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Subject: Cloning!!!
From: "Susanne Machler"
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:54:21 PST
Wishing all of you a Happy new Year!!
Hope warmer weather sets in for the colder ones....
Still loving every day here in the Caribbean.... :)
Jim, please post your website address.
I posted a table recently showing different nutritonal values for
different feedstocks. I have been tempted to toy with growing some local
beans for growth as an alternative feed. Can anyone pass on to me some
of their experiences on the best ratios of feed mixture/ compositions so
I could ry to "clone" this better!?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:05 -0600
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Karas
Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Just as an aside, on the white carp, we use white amur carp to keep
down duckweed in catfish ponds. Some triploid (genetically sterile)
carp are documented to grow to seemingly incredible sizes. I just
learned over the holiday how large. One removed from my uncle's lake
weighed in at 110 LB.
Now that's one _Big_ goldfish. I'm trying to get the photo from
him to post on my website as this was as beautiful fish according to
eyewitnesses.
Jim
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