Aquaponics Digest - Sun 02/21/99




Message   1: Re: good bacteria

             from doelle 

Message   2: Re: advise ... try Semco

             from "KevinLReed" 

Message   3: Re: tamarisk ,and out there....

             from jilli and lars 

Message   4: Re: good bacteria

             from jilli and lars 

Message   5: Re: good bacteria

             from jilli and lars 

Message   6: Re: Solar Heat

             from jilli and lars 

Message   7: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling

             from Adriana Gutierrez 

Message   8: Re: Solar Heat

             from "Jorg D. Ostrowski" 

Message   9: Re: good bacteria

             from "Jorg D. Ostrowski" 

Message  10: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling

             from "Anthony & Roberta" 

Message  11: Re: tamarisk ,and out there....

             from William Evans 

Message  12: RE: duckweed

             from Jose Pelleya 

Message  13: PACU

             from Jose Pelleya 

Message  14: missing URL

             from Jose Pelleya 

Message  15: Re: missing URL

             from Glen Seibert 

Message  16: Re: good bacteria

             from "Marc S. Nameth" 

Message  17: Re: request for nutrient supplier

             from Jaarvis

Message  18: Re: good bacteria

             from Michael Strates 

Message  19: Lettuce Harvesting Idea

             from Michael Strates 

Message  20: Re: good bacteria

             from Michael Strates 

Message  21: Re: good bacteria

             from uweb@megalink.net.mx

Message  22: Re: good bacteria

             from doelle 

Message  23: Re: good bacteria

             from doelle 

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    doelle 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:22:20 +1100

A>I apologise. You want some kind of bacteria that can turn H2S back into

>sulphur compounds, rather than venting away precious sulphur. Hydrogen

>sulphide can be scrubbed easily with iron sponge.

>

You can do whatevr is the most convenient as long as you do not vent giving

people a headache and nausea.

Horst

>

Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]

Chairman, IOBB

Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology

FAX: +617-38783230

Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au

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Subject: Re: advise ... try Semco

From:    "KevinLReed" 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:00:40 -0800

Hello Glennert,

 Try Semco trowelable waterproof membrane material. They will have it, or

something comparable at most ceramic tile or building supply store. It is

normally used to water seal cement shower pans or outdoor fountains or made

of porous materials. It is very easy to use but be careful to calculate the

area to be covered carefully as it can be expensive if you buy more than you

need. Two very thin coats seems to work quite well.

It works well as an adhesive to it you want a decorative edge on your cement

pond.

Kevin

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Subject: Re: tamarisk ,and out there....

From:    jilli and lars 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:53:26 -0800

Hello william (bill?) -

        I'm very sorry i didn't remember you're name.

        The various sites i found concerning this plant mostly seemed to

suggest that it concentrated sodium around its roots. I didn't realize that

this was from it's own leaf mulch.

        This ommitance kinda makes sense, as most of the sites were devoted

to tamarisk as a pest, rather than tamarisk as a cultivated species.

        Thank you very much for clearing this up. I also won't feel too

guilty when i dig some up the next time i'm wandering around and find

myself a grove, as most efforts are geared towards its eradication anyway.

        Though i am a bit concerned about the water loss...........

lars fields

William Evans wrote:

> Sodium salts  are taken up by the foliage in a big way as well..the

> accumulated "litter" in the grove (there never is just 1))) eventually

> salts up the surface soil enough,,dont forget sucking the swamp dry,,,,

> so that the tamarisk makes MANY more while runnin out the competitio

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    jilli and lars 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:14:01 -0800

hello greywater folks -

        Why the concern with hydrogen sulfide?

        I know the stuff smells kinda funky, but it's not dangerous is it?

And why the concern for venting

'precious sulphur"?  Isn't sulphur generally abundant?

        I would think that a little bit of anaerobic activity in a greywater

system would be advantageous,

mainly as it means that you've managed to maintain a different

chemical/biological system within a larger

chemical/biological system, which means a _chemical gradient_, which will

expose your wastes to as much

biological activity as possible.

        The more biological activity means the more processes your molecules

are going through, which means

the more likely they are transformed from something manufactured by humans

into something that has been

biodegraded into harmlessness or usefullness by macro-organisms.

        Just a wild guess, really...

lars fields

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doelle wrote:

> A>I apologise. You want some kind of bacteria that can turn H2S back into

> >sulphur compounds, rather than venting away precious sulphur. Hydrogen

> >sulphide can be scrubbed easily with iron sponge.

> >

>

> You can do whatevr is the most convenient as long as you do not vent

giving people a headache and nausea.

> Horst

> >

>

> Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]

> Chairman, IOBB

> Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology

> FAX: +617-38783230

> Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    jilli and lars 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:50:12 -0800

Hi all -

        Almost wherever i go, i try to carry plastic containers or bags or

something that will hold small amounts of liquid. If i come across a pond, or

even a puddle that appears to have biological activity, i take a sample. This

sample will likely contain some kind of bacteria. The stranger the environment,

the better.

        Are you familiar with Lynn Margulis?

        Basically, bacteria are rather unique among life-forms in that they do

not need to reproduce in order to alter their genetic makeup. Bacteria have

various methods for transferring genetic material across individuals and _even

_across_species. What that means is that, potentially, all bacteria share and

can 'pull from' one giant, global, bacterial gene pool. For example, a

population of bacteria need not evolve in order to gain resistance for a

particular antibiotic , they can potentially be 'infected' with the gene which

carries the resistance for that particular biocide.

        As an analogy, the world bacterial gene pool is quite like this internet

I am now communicating with (though it is _billions_ of years older). Bacterial

genes, analogous to new ideas or cultural practices, can spread from individual

to individual quite rapidly. In other words, for bacteria, genes are potentially

as easy to modify as we can change our minds. It all depends on exposure....

        And we only just figured this stuff out. They've been doing it for

billions of years. "Information wants to be free"...

        By taking samples from various ponds and other bacterial sources, you

are exposing your isolated bacteria to the greater world of bacterial genetic

information. You are exposing them to new (an potentially dangerous, i suppose)

'ideas'. You are allowing them to take part in the greater bacterial genetic

dialogue. If you don't continually 'innoculate' your isolated system with fresh

bacterial sources, you could be isolating your bacteria into an incestuous,

stagnant, dead end.

lars fields

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Jorg D. Ostrowski wrote:

> Gentle: I am now trying some beneficial micro-organism from FENIC Co.,

> effective micro-oganism from EM Technologies, and Microbe-Lift from

> Ecological Laboratories. I am having some successes, some unexplained

> failures. I am even trying compost tea, which has some promise. I need

> some natural biological microbes or aerobes that can multiple once

> inocculated into any of the 3 indoor greywater storage tanks. I need to

> keep it SIMPLE. I want to avoid moving parts, mechanical devices and

> energy consumption.

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Subject: Re: Solar Heat

From:    jilli and lars 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:52:01 -0800

hey jorg -

        where have you found these collectors?

        What sort of place should i be looking?

thanks,

lars

Jorg D. Ostrowski wrote:

> You said:"thats an amazing price - where, exactly, is your 'local' supply

> house?"

> _________________________________________________________________________

> Lars & Marc: We have bought many solar hot air and hot water collectors

> for $25 each and put them onto real world projects. Jorg Ostrowski

> _______________________________________________________________________

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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling

From:    Adriana Gutierrez 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:59:14 -0500

Roberta,

Do you have a name or supplier for this machine?  How about cost?

Adriana

> last machine could possibly be adapted on a track for table top harvesting.

> Or the track can run above the raft system .  The mini disc cutter can run

> off a small motor and the vacuum can distribute it to a harvesting box.  I

> believe the first 2 machines are patented.

>

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Subject: Re: Solar Heat

From:    "Jorg D. Ostrowski" 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:36:36 -0700 (MST)

Lars: We got ours through auctions and Bargain Finder. Jorg Ostrowski

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    "Jorg D. Ostrowski" 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:57:33 -0700 (MST)

You said:"Why the concern with hydrogen sulfide? I know the stuff smells 

kinda funky, but it's not dangerous is it? And  why the concern for venting"

___________________________________________________________________________

Lars: H2S is definitely poisonous! One of the main criteria for our

demonstration home/office is occupant health and environmental

stewardship. We are not using city water lines, sewer lines and have no

gas line, furnace or boiler. We also have had 30,000 visitors. Not only

has H2S to be vented, but also prevented in the first place, if possible.

This is why I am searching for the good bacteria, aerobes, micro-organisms,

microbes, or enzymes or whatever can do the job, by inocculating the

storage containers. As has been pointed out by others and by experience

marine life can NOT generally take H2S dissolved greywater very well. The

crayfish seem to be OK, paradise fish seem to be uncomfortable and white

cloud minnows die (they are very sensitive). When percolated slowly through

the system, everything is fine and the water hyacynth and hydroponics 

can handle the load, but on high volumes the fish die. Due to the

effect on humans and fish, I must find an amiable, natural, simple,

biological and cost-effective solution. I hope that the introduction

of compost tea (from the waterless toilet or vermicomposting system)

can introduce the right bacteria, aerobes, micro-organisms, microbes, or 

enzymes or whatever can do the job, by inocculating the storage containers.

Please forward this note to anyone that may have some leads or products 

that I should try.Thanks for assisting in this quest. 

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Jorg-Dietram Ostrowski,  M. Arch. A.S. (MIT), B. Arch. (Toronto), Ecotect 

-  in full-time professional practice since 1976 (Straw Bale since 1978),    

   environmental/architectural design, ecological planning,  consulting   

   on sustainable  buildings/communities. Lectures, seminars, workshops.

- 3 residential demonstration projects in Canada, +80,000 visitors

- college campus and office tower recofit under construction

- living a conserver lifestyle & working in a sustainable home and office

ACE, ARE, ACT, ASH-Incs., Phone: (403) 239-1882, Fax: (403) 547-2671

Web Site [under construction]: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~jdo/ecotecture.htm

e-mail: 

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Subject: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling

From:    "Anthony & Roberta" 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:33:58 -0500

We will look for it - the last machine is made for the ground you would have

to adapt yourself.

Roberta

eastgate@worldnet.att.net

Visit our web site at:

http://www.shaklee.com/link/eastgate_organics

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Subject: Re: tamarisk ,and out there....

From:    William Evans 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:20:13 -0800

yes it is a serious pest.It readily self seeds ground, result is a

blanket of seedlings....but if one wanted to pull sodium out of a sys,

it would do the job

bill

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Subject: RE: duckweed

From:    Jose Pelleya 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:21:29 -070

Here's a file with it

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Second FAO Electronic Conference on Tropical Feeds

Livestock Feed Resources within Integrated Farming Systems

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Twenty seventh paper from B.X. Men.

Questions that might stimulate discussion on this topic

include:

1. Do you know other farming systems where ducks play a key

role (weeding, fertilization...) as in the Vietnamese

ricefields?

2. Are there economical figures demonstrating the benefit of

raising ducks in the ricefields?

3. Do you have figures on strategic supplementation of ducks

with local feed resources as aquatic plants for protein and

sugarcane or palm juice for energy?

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THE ROLE OF SCAVENGING DUCKS, DUCKWEED AND FISH IN INTEGRATED

FARMING SYSTEMS IN VIETNAM

Bui Xuan Men

Faculty of Agriculture, Cantho University, Vietnam

E-mail: c/o Dr Thu

thu%cantho2%cantho%sarec%ifs.plants@ox.ac.uk

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ABSTRACT

There are some 30 million ducks raised annually in Vietnam.

Most are scavengers raised seasonally in rice fields during

the early growth of the crop and immediately post-harvest; and

in backyards or gardens of farm households throughout the

year. Duck and fish production has been expanding and

contributes to increased income and improved living standards

of the farmers, especially for poor farmers in the remote

rural areas. 

Trials on using duckweed cultivated as a partial or complete

replacement of protein supplement for feeding crossbred and

Muscovy ducks gave encouraging results. The practice of using

scavenging ducks to control insects and weeds in the rice

fields contributes to decreased investment and brings more

benefits for the farmers. Duckweed grown in the integrated

farming system is also a high quality feed for fish.

KEY WORDS: Ducks, local, scavenging, rice fields, duckweed,

fish

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INTRODUCTION

The duck industry in Vietnam is of long standing and plays a

considerable role in providing meat and eggs in the diet of

the people (Men et al., 1991). Ducks are raised throughout the

country but are concentrated in the Mekong and Red River

Deltas, but also in suburban areas of the big cities. 

Unlike the Northern countries, duck egg and meat consumption

is expanding in Vietnam and they provide important and

nutritious protein foods for people in both cities and rural

areas, especially the poor farmers in the remote regions. The

products are usually sold at a reasonable price that the poor

can afford and they can be processed into many different

traditional dishes and even special dishes in the restaurants

of the big cities. 

The farmers use many traditional systems for raising ducks, of

which the rice-duck system is the most common. In this system

rice production is enhanced due to the ability of the ducks to

control insects and weeds and at the same time excrete manure

which provides nutrients for the growth of the rice plants.

There are also environmental benefits as chemical control of

insect pests and weeds is not needed. Along with the

improvement in rice, the farmers derive more profit from the

ducks because they forage themselves on natural feeds and

left-over rice in the fields which decreases the need for

supplementary feed. Ducks are also commonly allowed to

scavenge in the backyards or gardens of households in small

flocks, receiving household waste or rice to supplement what

they obtain by scavenging. 

Today, ducks are also raised in partial confinement, either

for table eggs in coastal areas where shellfish gathered from

the sea are good mineral and protein sources for ducks, or in

areas where they are bred for meat during the dry season in an

integrated fish-duck system. Duck production makes good use of

available labour in rural areas and increases the income of

poor farmers, especially the landless. However, duck producers

have experienced problems since the introduction of high

yielding rice varieties because the time available for duck

flocks to scavenge is limited. Also, the price of feeds,

especially protein supplements, has greatly increased.

Consequently, although consumer demand for duck products is

increasing, the income for farmers is reduced by the high

input costs.

Duckweed (Lemna spp.), which is common throughout the country,

is a tiny water plant that grows very well on the surface of

stagnant ponds all the year round. It can tolerate high

nutrient stress and is able to survive extremely adverse

conditions, and appears to be more resistant to pests and

diseases than other aquatic plants in tropical areas. It has a

high content of nutrients in the DM, especially protein and

carotene, which are necessary for growing animals. Duckweed is

popular in Vietnam as a feed for fish and poultry, so it seems

a useful candidate for development as a year-round feed

resource for ducks and fish within the integrated farming

system.

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SCAVENGING DUCKS

BREED

Several breeds of ducks are raised in the country. The two

different species are the common breed and the Muscovy duck.

The common breed is estimated at 80% of the duck population of

the country (Phuoc et al.,1993). They consist mostly of local

and improved breeds and a few exotic strains (Cherry Valley). 

Of the local breeds, the first type is the "Tau" or "Co" breed

(grass ducks). This is a laying type that reaches mature body

weights of 1.3 - 1.5kg for females and 1.5 - 1.8kg for males.

Drakes can mate at 120 days of age. The females begin to lay

at 140 days old and achieve an average of 180 eggs per layer

per year with egg weights in excess of 60 g. This breed

tolerates hard conditions of nutrition and management, so they

are well suited to egg and meat production in the remote rural

areas. Also, they are very good at foraging for food such as

insects, water creatures and plants. The mating ratio of males

to females is 1:20-25, but this achieves highly fertile eggs

(over 90%) with high hatchability in traditional hatcheries in

the rural areas, even without electricity. The prices of table

eggs, ducklings and duck meat from these ducks are usually

lower than those of other types because of lower production

costs. 

The second group, called "Ta" or "Bau" ducks, is a meat type

that achieves a mature live weight average of 2.5 kg. This

breed is low in reproductive ability and gives low profit to

the producers so the population has been decreasing. 

The local Pekin has been imported for a long time and is

genetically poorly defined. It has degenerated into a dual

purpose breed. They achieve live weight gains and finishing

weights slightly higher than the "Tau" or "Co" ducks and the

number of eggs laid appears to be equivalent to the "Co"

breed. 

There are several crossbred types which are a combination of

the local and exotic breeds. These are used for meat purposes. 

The exotic Cherry Valley type has been imported from Europe

and gives high meat performance but, given the conditions in

which they are bred and raised, productivity and profitability

has declined and the population is decreasing. At present they

are raised for crossing and for meat around some cities. The

Khaki Campbell breed is a laying type imported from Asian

countries which achieves poor performance under the conditions

in Vietnam and the yield of eggs appears to be equivalent to

the local laying type (personal observation).

Muscovy ducks are estimated at some 20% of the population and

numbers have expanded throughout the country. These include

both local and exotic types, and their crosses. The local

breed achieves mature weights from 3-3.5kg for males and

1.8-2kg for females. The female lays on average 40-60 eggs per

year and hatches them herself under extensive conditions. The

Muscovies are suitable for smallholders with small flocks

because they are easy to manage and can consume different

feeds in the farming system. Also, the ducklings or table

ducks are usually sold at a higher price than common ducks.

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SCAVENGING DUCKS IN THE INTEGRATED FARMING SYSTEM 

DUCK RAISING ALONG WITH GROWING RICE

The ducks selected for this purpose are commonly the local

laying type or local Pekin breed due to their small body size.

They do not harm the plants, are active and forage well when

herded. In the brooding stage, after the first week of age,

the ducklings are driven into the rice fields from 20 days

after transplanting until the plants begin to flower. In the

young rice fields, the ducklings can catch destructive insects

such as white or brown hoppers, leaf insects, mosquito larvae,

spiders, small shellfish and fish. During scavenging, the

ducks consume weeds and stir and loosen mud around the rice

roots with their beaks without harming the rice plants. In

addition, they excrete manure to fertilize and stimulate the

growth of the rice. Insecticide and herbicide inputs are

rendered unnecessary, and labour for weeding is reduced. The

reduction in chemicals is beneficial to the environment. 

The ducks are supplemented with feed consisting of by-products

of rice or rice grain, 3-4 times daily depending on feed

availability in the rice fields. 

After the rice plants start flowering, the ducks are driven

from the rice fields to the canals, ditches, lakes and swamps

to forage in the water. The duck raising season usually lasts

for 3 months producing males for meat and females which

continue to lay eggs in the post-harvest rice fields. The

culled ducks are sold in the market.

 

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DUCK RAISING IN THE POST-HARVEST RICE FIELDS

Along with laying ducks, the table ducks or ducks for meat are

reared in the rice fields post-harvest. Generally farmers

purchase ducklings from the hatcheries 3-4 weeks before the

rice harvest. The ducks usually selected are the native meat

type, local Pekin, crossbred local x Cherry Valley or Cherry

Valley. 

After 3 weeks of age when the ducklings can consume whole rice

grains, they are permitted to enter the newly harvested rice

fields. They forage the whole day on leftover or fallen rice

grains, insects, shellfish, small frog and fish, and water

plants. In the late afternoon, they are moved to pens or sheds

on the dikes near the household until next morning. The ducks

raised at this time are usually finished at 2.5-3 months of

age, and achieve live weights of 1.6-2.0kg for the crossbred

Cherry Valley.

Now, most varieties of high yielding rice are planted and

harvested within a short period with only a limited time

available for the duck flocks to scavenge, so this traditional

system is becoming less feasible. In order to solve the

problem, a trial was recently carried out, feeding a

supplement of broken rice and crushed, dried fish (CDF) to

crossbred meat ducks (Cherry Valley hybrid x local Pekin)

herded in rice fields post-harvest, in order to shorten the

time to finish and improve the meat quality. Three supplements

of 50g/duck/day of a mixture of broken rice (80%) and CDF

(20%), 50g/day broken rice or 20g/day of CDF were given each

evening to the ducks, and compared with no supplementary feed.

The live weights at 70 days of age were 1855, 1749, 1659 and

1592g (P<0.001) and daily live weight gains 34, 30, 28 and

27g, respectively (Men et al.1995). 

The results of the trial show that supplementation with broken

rice alone or a mixture of broken rice and crushed-dried fish

to scavenging crossbred meat ducks significantly improved the

daily gain and carcass quality, and would shorten the time to

market. This trial demonstrates a strategy for improvement of

the traditional method of the farmers in order to meet the

increasing demands of consumers for high quality duck meat,

and is consistent with today's rice cultivating conditions in

the country.

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SCAVENGING DUCKS IN THE BACKYARD OR GARDEN

The system is common to most smallholders. Small flocks of

ducks from 5-50 head, producing eggs for the table or fertile

eggs for meat production or combining both, are allowed to run

loose in the backyards and gardens, and are fed household

wastes or rice 2-3 times per day and obtain other feeds from

scavenging in the ditches, canals, ponds or part of the rice

fields near the home. This system is very suitable for home

consumption of the products by the poor farmers. 

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DUCKWEED (Lemna minor)

Duckweed is a small floating aquatic plant that grows very

well on stagnant ponds and is commonly found throughout the

country. It has a high content of nutrients, particularly

protein and carotene, and tolerates adverse conditions such as

nutrient stress and attacks by pests and diseases. Duckweed

gives a high biomass yield as a result of rapid reproduction

and growth. When effectively managed, yields of 10 tonnes

DM/ha/year are possible (Preston, 1995). 

Duckweed can be collected daily when grown on ponds manured

with effluent from biodigester systems and home waste, and

produce an average of 100g (38.6% CP of DM) fresh weight per

square metre (Men, 1995). Duckweed protein has a better

composition of essential amino acids than most vegetable

proteins and closely resembles animal protein (Culley, 1978). 

Duckweed has long been used in poultry diets (Lautner, 1954).

Fresh duckweed (26.3% of DM) was used to replace soya beans at

levels from 19-27% in diets for fattening ducks at Cantho

University in Vietnam. There were no adverse effects on

health, but the reductions in growth rate and feed conversion

efficiency were considerable when duckweed replaced more than

20% of soybean protein (Becera et al.1994). 

Recently, an experiment was carry out on crossbred ducks fed

roasted whole soya beans replaced by duckweed (38.6% CP in DM)

at levels of 0,30,45,60 and 100% in the diet (Men et al.,

1995). Daily gains of ducks fed duckweed were higher than

those of ducks fed a conventional diet because the duckweed ,

which was grown and managed well, had high nutrient

concentrations, especially of CP and carotene. 

If duckweed is grown and collected by household farmers, the

feed cost could decrease 48%. However, feed conversion ratios

tended to be poorer on the diets with duckweed due to their

low energy compared to the control diet. In another

experiment, local Pekin were fed fresh duckweed ad libitum

(40% CP in DM) in limited broken rice diets at levels 80 and

60g/day compared to ad libitum feeding (Men et al., 1995).

Results obtained showed that the ducks with live weights of

1.5-1.6 kg can consume an average of 870g fresh duckweed per

day in the growing stage. The final weights and weight gains

of the ducks fed 80g broken rice were slightly lower than

those fed rice ad libitum, but the difference was not

significant. 

Muscovy ducks are known to like duckweed very much. In 1994, a

trial was carried out on growing exotic female Muscovies at

Cantho University, where 15 and 30% of the dietary protein was

replaced by fresh duckweed from 28 to 70 days of age and

compared to a conventional diet (Men et al., 1994). At

finishing, daily gains were 37, 36 and 34g (P<0.001) and feed

conversion rates were 3, 3.3, 3.5, respectively.

Correspondingly, the cost of feed decreased by 15 and 26%

compared to the control diet. 

In another trial, Men et al. (1995) fed local female Muscovies

on duckweed ad libitum with a limited amount of broken rice at

levels of 80 and 60g/day compared to ad libitum feeding from

28 to 70 day of age. Results achieved showed that local female

Muscovies consumed fresh duckweed less than the local Pekins

(325 vs 817g) and daily gains were 25, 20, 18g, respectively.

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FISH IN THE INTEGRATED FARMING SYSTEM

Fish is a common food for Vietnamese people. Wild freshwater

fish are caught in many ways. At present, because of

indiscriminate exploitation, environmental damage caused by

overuse of agricultural chemicals and serious pollution caused

by humans, the precious food source is becoming impoverished. 

In order to solve the problem, many farmers raise fish

profitably in ponds, even rice fields, in the integrated

farming system. The main feed sources for fish continues to be

based on natural aquatic creatures and plant feeds that grow

and develop themselves in the pondwater. In some regions,

farmers raise fish on feeds such as grass, weeds, leaves,

by-products from agricultural processing or animal manure and

obtained good results with fast growth of the fish. However,

the feeds only contribute about 20% of the requirements of the

fish (personal observation).

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DUCKWEED AS A FEED FOR FISH

Many trials have been carried out using duckweed as the major

feed to raise fish, with good results (Journey et al. 1991),

but, so far, this is fairly rare in Vietnam. The farmers in

the Mekong and Red Deltas and around Ho Chi Minh city use

duckweed as a partial or complete feed for growing fish and

get excellent results. The farmers in the Mekong Delta feed

duckweed to breeding fish to increase reproductive

performance. 

Most of the fish species living in fresh water are known to

like to eat duckweed very much, especially Tilapia, carp,

catfish, Mekong catfish, gourami, etc. Duckweed is convenient

and fairly easy to manage because it is grown in the ponds on

stored waste water. It utilises the nutrients and contributes

to a clean environment. Children or women in the households

can take part in managing and collecting duckweed to feed

fish. The farmers can control the amount of feed to the fish

easily by observation and prevent excessive growth, thus

protecting the fishes' environment (personal observation).

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CONCLUSIONS AND SUGGESTIONS

There is no doubt about the role of scavenging ducks, fish and

duckweed in the integrated farming system in Vietnam today.

They produce truly sustainable economic benefits to the

smallholder farmers. The results achieved in the experiments

and practices show that the development is based on scientific

logic under natural and social conditions that avoid damage to

the living environment and improve living standards of the

people, of which 80% are working in the agricultural domain.

Development of scavenging ducks and fish, based on renewable

local feed resources such as duckweed in integrated farming

systems, is an actual revolution and is consistent with the

strategy to eliminate hunger and reduce poverty in the

country. However, in order to make further progress, the

detailed parameters of using scavenging ducks and their

influence on the environment, soil fertility, and other

effects, need to be investigated. There is also a need to look

at which species of fish are most suited to feeding on

duckweed.

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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

This paper is based on studies and findings in Vietnam with

the help of advisers: Dr T R Preston, Dr Brian Ogle and with

the encouragement of Dr Rene Sansoucy, Dr Andrew Speedy, and

Dr Christophe Dalibard. I would like to thank them.

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REFERENCES

Becerra, M., Ogle, B. and Preston T. R. 1994. Effect of

replacing whole boiled soybeans with duckweed (Lemna sp) in

the diets of growing ducks. Livestock Research for Rural

Development. Volume 7, Number 3, 44.8Kb.

Culley, D. D., Jr. and Epps, E. A. 1973. Use of duckweed for

waste treatment and animal feed. Journal Water Pollution

Control Federation. Vol. 45, No. 2, pp. 337-347.

Hillman, W. S., Culley, D. D. and Jr. 1978. The Use of

Duckweed. American Scientist. Volume 66, pp. 442-450.

Journey, W. K., Skillicorn, P. and Spira, W. 1991. Duckweed

Aquaculture - A New Aquatic Farming System for Developing

Countries. The World Bank. 76pp. Washington DC. 

Leng, R. A., Stambolie, J. H. and Bell, R. 1995. Duckweed - a

potential high-protein feed resource for domestic animals and

fish. Livestock Research for Rural Development. Volume 7

Number 1, 36 Kb

Men, B. X and Su, V. V. 1991. "A" molasses in diets for

growing ducks. Livestock Research for Rural Development.

Volume 2, No 3. 

Men, B. X., Ogle, B. and Preston, T. R. 1995. Use of

restricted broken rice in duckweed based diets for feeding

growing Common and Muscovy ducks. (Unpublished data, Vietnam).

Men, B. X. and Preston, T. R. 1994. Use of duckweed as partial

replacements for protein supplement in diets for feeding

exotic Muscovy ducks. (Unpublished data, Vietnam).

Preston, T. R. 1995. Reserch, Extention and training for

Sustainable Farming Systems in the Tropics. Livestock Research

for Rural Development. Volume 7, Number 2, 84Kb.

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Subject: PACU

From:    Jose Pelleya 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:49:23 -0700

I was given this number in Miami:

Pacu Project; Gabriel at 305/274-0450 or 0750

Jose

At 09:29 PM 2/20/99 PST, you wrote:

>

>Any one know of a supplier of Pacu, who is licensed to export, I am 

>willing to try this species here in the Caribbean.

>Gordon??

>

>Take care guys,

>Sue.

Thought for the day:

- "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

        Albert Einstein

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Subject: missing URL

From:    Jose Pelleya 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:30:29 -0700

Does anyone know the URL of a page which has a DIY system which uses a

square Rubbermaid-type container with a  system of PVC pipes on top for

nine plants (expandable)?

The system uses the tops of plastic 2 liter bottles (upside down) to hold

the plants, small pump, etc.

Thanks

Jose

Thought for the day:

- "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

        Albert Einstein

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Subject: Re: missing URL

From:    Glen Seibert 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:52:43 -0800

Jose Pelleya wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know the URL of a page which has a DIY system which uses a

> square Rubbermaid-type container with a  system of PVC pipes on top for

> nine plants (expandable)?

> 

> The system uses the tops of plastic 2 liter bottles (upside down) to hold

> the plants, small pump, etc.

> 

> Thanks

> 

> Jose

> 

> Thought for the day:

> 

> - "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

> 

>         Albert Einstein

Hi Jose!

Yes, its hydroponics on line and the link is at the end of my signature.

HydroRon is a great guy, very helpful and his past communications are

archived.  Hes even expanded his files to include a step by step set of

plans for building the little pop bottle system!

-- 

Glen Seibert

Fullerton College

Hydroponics

http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/club.htm

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    "Marc S. Nameth" 

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:29:50 -0700

Hydrogen sulfide is also corrosive to many metals.

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Subject: Re: request for nutrient supplier

From:    Jaarvis

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:22:58 EST

they are designed for use in hydroponic systems

it might be possible to use them in an aquaponic scenario though i dont know

if anyone has done in work in this realm

i can ask the chemist this week and see what he says about their application

in aquaponics

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    Michael Strates 

Date:    Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:36:34 +1100 (EST)

On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, jilli and lars wrote:

jal>         Almost wherever i go, i try to carry plastic containers

jal> or bags or something that will hold small amounts of liquid. If

jal> i come across a pond, or even a puddle that appears to have

I once took a 50ml water sample from Warringal Parklands, Melbourne. The

results under the microscope outstanded me. Not only was almost every

human pathogen in the water :) [fecal coliforms were RIIIGHT up there],

but I could see strange worms navigating throughout the small bits of

reeds and duckweed in the pond. These strange worms were EATING the little

waterfleas! I never did find out what they were.

jal> world of bacterial genetic information. You are exposing them to

jal> new (an potentially dangerous, i suppose) 'ideas'. You are

You /might/ have a point, however you'll NEVER see me tainting my

aquaponics water with one from another water body.

--

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See keyservers for PGP info.  Linux! The OS of my Choice!

"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned

skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return."

- Leonardo da Vinci, and below an extract from John Fogerty's song:

Hey, Tonight - Gonna be tonight- Don't you know I'm flyin'- Tonight

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Subject: Lettuce Harvesting Idea

From:    Michael Strates 

Date:    Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:41:03 +1100 (EST)

How about a vacuum cleaner motor with its front guard removed (and cleaned

of course :) strung up onto a track above the grow bed, and then can be

hand pushed along harvesting the lettuce, and shooting the cut greens down

some hosing, and possibly spraying them with water at the same time?

We used to use our Flymo (brand of electric rotary lawnmower) for

harvesting looseleaf lettuce. Just set the height right, "mow" the lettuce

and you have, in the catcher cut greens. Make sure you don't use a gas

mower for this (taint it with gasoline taste :) and to clean the mower

well before attempting it. Naturally, this won't work well with raised

beds.

--

e-mail: mstrates@croftj.net   www: http://www.croftj.net/~mstrates

See keyservers for PGP info.  Linux! The OS of my Choice!

"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned

skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return."

- Leonardo da Vinci, and below an extract from John Fogerty's song:

Hey, Tonight - Gonna be tonight- Don't you know I'm flyin'- Tonight

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    Michael Strates 

Date:    Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:32:35 +1100 (EST)

On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, jilli and lars wrote:

jal>         I know the stuff smells kinda funky, but it's not

jal> dangerous is it? And why the concern for venting 'precious

jal> sulphur"?  Isn't sulphur generally abundant?

Hydrogen Sulphide is about one of the most toxic inorganic gases one could

make whilst composting. Once you can smell H2S, the level is waaay over

the EPA recommended ones. After being in a room that "stinks" of H2S for a

few minutes, and you don't smell it anymore - its a mega warning sign,

because the hydrogen sulphide has desensitized your snozzle :)

jal>         The more biological activity means the more processes

jal> your molecules are going through, which means the more likely

jal> they are transformed from something manufactured by humans into

jal> something that has been biodegraded into harmlessness or

jal> usefullness by macro-organisms.

Like I said.. Vapours of NH3 and H2S are the things we need to stop. NH3

causes headaches, and is a general irritant, and H2S is very, very

poisionious.

--

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See keyservers for PGP info.  Linux! The OS of my Choice!

"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned

skyward, for there you have been, and there you long to return."

- Leonardo da Vinci, and below an extract from John Fogerty's song:

Hey, Tonight - Gonna be tonight- Don't you know I'm flyin'- Tonight

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    uweb@megalink.net.mx

Date:    Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:05:45 -600

>Hydrogen sulfide is also corrosive to many metals.

>

Like which? Wouldn't like to use them for the tubing. - Uwe

http://www.megalink.net.mx

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    doelle 

Date:    Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:48:53 +1100

Lars,

It all depends on the amount released and whether is steadily released. It

certainly can become a health hazard or do you want to run around with a

constant headache ? The amount is the concern. If it is small, ok. If nobody

lives around, it may be ok. I am surprised to learn that you are not so

concerned about air pollution.

Good luck Horst

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Subject: Re: good bacteria

From:    doelle 

Date:    Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:52:29 +1100

Lars,

Where on earth do you get those ideas from ? Bacteria just can grab genes

from the air or environment ? Gene transfer in nature without mul;tiplication ?

Please give me your source of information. As a microbiologist I am very

concerned about your 'bacterial philosophy'.

Horst

S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775  417-256-5124

Web page  http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/



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