Aquaponics Digest - Fri 02/26/99
Message 1: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
from khale@ballistic.com
Message 2: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 3: Re: As a matter of fact
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 4: Re: Testing
from "Ted Ground"
Message 5: Tanks/Liners was Re: Chocolate Hybrid
from "Ted Ground"
Message 6: Re: Tanks/Liners
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 7: Free greenhouse trade magazines
from "Ted Ground"
Message 8: RE: Chocolate Hybrid
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 9: RE: Chocolate Hybrid
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 10: RE: As a matter of fact
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 11: mail systems help
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: unsubscribe
from Jeff Voris
Message 13: RE: mail systems help
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 14: RE: mail systems help
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 15: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
from Gordon Watkins
Message 16: Māche report
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 17: Re: Māche report
from "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Message 18: Re: Small shipments of Tilapia
from PattyRagen
Message 19: Re: mail systems help/twins
from "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Message 20: Re: Small shipments of Tilapia
from PattyRagen
Message 21: Re: mail systems help/twins
from sbonney@iquest.net
Message 22: Re: Mars Grey water treatment
from Brian Gracia
Message 23: Re: mail systems help/twins
from "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Message 24: Re: unsubscribe
from Michael Strates
Message 25: Re: unsubscribe
from Chris Hedemark
Message 26: Re: mail systems help/twins
from "Susanne Machler"
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Subject: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
From: khale@ballistic.com
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:04:30 -0600
Galvanized tanks are not the best to raise/or hold fish in because of the
gal. finish has zinc which is toxic to fish and after a period of time
salt will eat it up bringing on rust. You can sandblast/or acid treat,
then paint but that's going to run the cost back up on the tank. Hope this
helps--Ken (Talapia Farmer in Henderson,
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2/26/99 EST, you wrote:
>Hi Alandro,I don't know any thing about Tilapia,but the other day you were
>asking about the best type of tank construction.Have you considered
galvanized
>tanks? I know a company that sells them.Any size up to 100 FT in diameter and
>up to 14 FT deep.They can be assembled on site by two people.If you're
>interested let me know and I'll send you the web site.Ken
>
>
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Subject: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:54:34 EST
Hi Ken, What you say about the galvanized tanks is true,I just thought I would
tell him about it.I don't know if it would be economically feasible or not,
but it would be a lot less labor intensive,and it could either be coated or
have a liner. By the way do you raise Tilapia for food or to sell Fry and
Fingerlings. I would be interested in hearing about your operation,that is if
you don't mind sharing about it. Thanks Ken # 2
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Subject: Re: As a matter of fact
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:23:55 EST
I would be interested in knowing about every ones project on the
list,geographical locations,your background,goals,business or hobbie,how long
you've been in it,successes or failures or just any thing you care to share.I
don't expect anyone to reveal any trade secrets or any thing.I just like to
know my neighbors.Post it or e-mail it,I'm easy Ken ( Loneliness cries
deep from my soul, keeps trying to tell me bout the world growing so cold)
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Subject: Re: Testing
From: "Ted Ground"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:20:31 -0600
Wall to wall and tree top tall good buddy.
Slapping the dash.
Now I'm picking up Skipland.
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Subject: Tanks/Liners was Re: Chocolate Hybrid
From: "Ted Ground"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:58:10 -0600
Ken, you wrote:
>I know a company that sells them.Any size up to 100 FT in diameter and
> up to 14 FT deep.They can be assembled on site by two people.If you're
> interested let me know and I'll send you the web site.Ken
10-4 on that galvanized tank URL, Ken. Come back. I would like to check it
out.
Did you say 14 feet deep? Now that's interesting. Set a diving board on
that bad boy.
By the way, there are a number of companies that provide plastic liners for
steel tanks and big ponds, etc...Let's see here.....Accessing database....
Yunker Plastics, Inc. P.O. Box 190 Lake Geneva, Wisconsin 53147 USA phone
414-249-5233 Fax 414-249-5239. They sell the "Aqua-Weve liners made of
woven reinforced polyolefin fabric. Ask for free samples.
Reef Industries, Inc. P.O. Box 750245 Houston TX 77275-0245 phone
800-231-2417 713-507-4200 Fax 713-507-4295 They sell the Permalon liners,
which are "alloyed" or laminated high density polyethylene membranes. One
of my buddies in pond lining avoids permalon because he says it delaminates
after some time. Others swear by it.
DLM Plastics 1530 Harvard Avenue. Findlay, Ohio 45840-1737. 800-444-5877
Fax 419-423-0849. They provide flat sheets or Custom-fitted to your
application. 20 or 35 mil black fish grade PVC
Remember Protectk(sp?) product I mentioned in an earlier post? Here is
another liquid liner source...C.I.M Industries Inc. Peterborough, New
Hampshire 03458. 800-543-3458. Fax 603-924-9482. They make a tough
urethane rubber that comes in a can, which is UL approved for potable water
contact and "fish safe"
Ringger Foods Aquaculture Division P.O. Box 40, Gridley, IL 61744 Phone
309-747-2152 Fax 309-747-2243. They can custom make flexible 30 mil PVC
liners to a wide variety of shapes and sizes- "black or aqua blue
available". They also offer galvanized corrugated steel rings from 18
guage to 10 gauge.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Tanks/Liners
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:19:13 -0600
At 08:58 AM 2/26/99 -0600, Ted wrote:
>10-4 on that galvanized tank URL, Ken. Come back. I would like to check it
>out.
>Did you say 14 feet deep? Now that's interesting. Set a diving board on
>that bad boy.
>
>By the way, there are a number of companies that provide plastic liners for
>steel tanks and big ponds, etc...Let's see here.....Accessing database....
Welcome back Ted, and thanks for the liners/coatings info.
Wanted to mention that I have an updated catalog/price list from Polytank.
If anyone's interested, please let me know OFF LIST.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Free greenhouse trade magazines
From: "Ted Ground"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:55:44 -0600
Aquaponikers,
Many of you probably already have a greenhouse of some size, or are in the
planning stages. Because I am a "qualified industry grower" I receive a
couple of free subscriptions to trade magazines that you may find of
interest.
GMPro (Greenhouse Management & Production) is "The magazine for the
greenhouse growing professional". P.O. Box 1868 Fort Worth, TX 76101
817-882-4120 800 434-6776 Fax 817 882 4121 or http://www.greenbeam.com.
David Kuack is the editor. He sends out a periodic email message to
interested folks- that is where I came up with the tomato article, the
infamous Salmonella in alfalfa sprout seed article, etc., that I forward to
our group on occasion.
Another is "Greenhouse Business- The News Magazine of Profitable Growing"
Find them at http://www.greenhousebiz.com. or P.O. Box 698 Park Ridge, IL
60068-0698. Tel: 847-823 5650 Fax 847 696 3445.
If you grow plants in a greenhouse of whatever size, I think you are
probably a "qualified industry grower", so check it out. There are some
pretty good ariticles and product information in these publications.
Ted
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Subject: RE: Chocolate Hybrid
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:41:07 -0600
Ken:
Seems worth to take a look, please forward me the site. Thanks.
Best regards.
Alejandro
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Subject: RE: Chocolate Hybrid
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:54:39 -0600
Thanks Ken.
I'm probably switching to raceways, but what would you recommend?
Best regards.
Alejandro
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Subject: RE: As a matter of fact
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:09:16 -0600
Ken:
You can visit my personal Page on:
http://members.tripod.com/AJGV/home.html
Also, I'm designing, as you've read some intensive aquaculture projects =
envolving Tilapia, Trout, Crayfish and algae (separate proyects, of =
course). The Tilapia project is the most advanced, aiming at export to =
the US & Canada (anyone interested?). I'm currently the Delegate for =
the Mexican Oceanographer's Asociation in M=E9xico City (up to now the =
page is in spanish only, but you can visit it at =
http://members.tripod.com/AJGV/asocean.html ).
Best regards.
Alejandro
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Subject: mail systems help
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:42:56 -0600
Sorry, Alejandro, not trying to single you out, but can someone with more
computer expertise than I explain (briefly) why every message from Alejandro
(and some others) puts an automatic attachment at the end of every message.
This creates a time-consuming problem for me in order to eliminate them from
my computer, as well as generates an enormous amount of unreadable garbage
into the digest version.
Is there a way for the sender to change settings to eliminate this, or will
I have to request our ISP to add a program to block these?
This is the first and last line from the message entitled RE: as a matter of
fact:
>Ken:
>
> You can visit my personal Page on:
>Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\RE As a matter of fact
I'd appreciate some help on this before we lose subscribers who can't handle
the extra volume.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: unsubscribe
From: Jeff Voris
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:02:27 -0600
PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE !!!
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Subject: RE: mail systems help
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:07:40 -0600
Please tell me if the problem is corrected. Some times I forget to =
change the reply adress properties to simple text format, wich is why =
you get that attachment.
Best regards
Alejandro
-----Mensaje original-----
De: S & S Aqua Farm [SMTP:snsaquasys@townsqr.com]
Enviado el: Viernes 26 de Febrero de 1999 11:43 AM
Para: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Asunto: mail systems help
Sorry, Alejandro, not trying to single you out, but can someone with =
more
computer expertise than I explain (briefly) why every message from =
Alejandro
(and some others) puts an automatic attachment at the end of every =
message.
This creates a time-consuming problem for me in order to eliminate them =
from
my computer, as well as generates an enormous amount of unreadable =
garbage
into the digest version.
Is there a way for the sender to change settings to eliminate this, or =
will
I have to request our ISP to add a program to block these?
This is the first and last line from the message entitled RE: as a =
matter of
fact:
>Ken:
>
> You can visit my personal Page on:
>Attachment Converted: c:\eudora\attach\RE As a matter of fact
I'd appreciate some help on this before we lose subscribers who can't =
handle
the extra volume.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 =
417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: RE: mail systems help
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:55:50 -0600
At 12:07 PM 2/26/99 -0600,Alejandro wrote:
>Please tell me if the problem is corrected. Some times I forget to change
the reply adress properties to simple text format, wich is why you get that
attachment.
>
>Best regards
>
>Alejandro
Thanks - it comes through just fine now. I appreciate your help to see that
your settings are right when sending to the group.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Chocolate Hybrid
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:09:29 -0600
The Chocolate Hybrid tilapia is one of Mike Sipe's named crosses between a
hornorum male and a nilotica female. I tried breeding some from his stock
but due
to imcompatibilities all of my females were killed before they bred. I now
have a
separate line of niloticas and have two fertile females running with my male
hornorum, just waiting for nature to take its course. I'll let you know how it
progresses.
The cross is supposed to produce a higher yielding carcass, due to the
hornorum's influence, along with faster growth and better cold hardiness
from the
nilotica. And the fry should be all-male.
Gordo
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Subject: Māche report
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:20:31 -0500
Hey Ted,
Welcome back. I thought I'd report back on my experimental
māche. On 12/19/98 and 12/27/98 I seeded māche, also known as
corn salad, feldsalat, etc. approximately 2" apart in my perlite
drip system. The plants are beautiful, they are rosettes about
4" tall with 4-5 pairs of leaves. I think it's time to harvest
them but since I've never grown it I'm not sure. I need to get
my Swiss-Mexican chef over to look at them. As you can tell,
they grow slooooooowly. After about 5 weeks I started to get
serious signs of nutrient deficiencies (yellowing of leaves with
veins showing) and pest problems. I dumped my nutrient tank
which had Pureblend organic nutrient in it and started over with
no improvement. About 2 weeks ago I switched over to my
commercial nutrients from the greenhouse and within a day the
plants greened right up. So much for Pureblend...
Other than the long time to grow out the plants have done fine.
We've had highs in the 70's for most of the grow-out time. Next
I will try to replicate the results as the warmer weather
comes. One thing which definitely speeded up the germination
time was to wrap the seeds in a damp paper towel and put it in
the refrigerator. Those seeds germinated in less than a week
(which is good for mache) and now there is no discernable
difference between those plants and the ones seeded 9 days
earlier. The seeds which were placed in a damp paper towel in a
warm place did not germinate at all.
When I harvest I'll report the yield per square foot.
Happy growing!
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Māche report
From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:33:16 -0700 (MST)
You said:"One thing which definitely speeded up the germination
time was to wrap the seeds in a damp paper towel and put it in
the refrigerator. Those seeds germinated in less than a week
(which is good for mache) and now there is no discernable
difference between those plants and the ones seeded 9 days
earlier. The seeds which were placed in a damp paper towel in a
warm place did not germinate at all."
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Adriana: Thanks for sharing your excitement, experience and knowledge. How
long were the seeds in the fridge? Jorg ostrowski
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Subject: Re: Small shipments of Tilapia
From: PattyRagen
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:54:52 EST
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Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:55:51 -0700 (MST)
Paula: While we on the topic of streamlining, every message I get from
this listserver compared to the other 5 listservers to which I subscribe,
IS DOUBLE, IS DOUBLE! I have no idea why, but it would help me if this was
NOT the case. Suggestions anyone? Jorg ostrowski
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Subject: Re: Small shipments of Tilapia
From: PattyRagen
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:07:59 EST
I am very interested in information about ordering small amounts of mixed sex
Tilapia. However, I couldn't open the attachment you sent. Please resend in
a form such as Tilapia.txt or have it in the e-mail instead of as an
attachment. Tilapia.p7s is an unknown format and I don't know how to
open it.
Sincerely, PattyRagen
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Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
From: sbonney@iquest.net
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:59:59 -0500
every message I get from this listserver compared to the other 5
listservers to which I subscribe,
>IS DOUBLE, IS DOUBLE!
Jorg,
If a msg to sent To: you and cc: aquaponics, you will receive the message
twice. Look in the heading section to see if this is happening.
Steve
Steve Bonney, President
Sustainable Earth
a 501(c)3 not-for-profit dedicated to economic development through
sustainable agriculture
100 Georgton Ct., W. Lafayette IN 47906
tel (765)463-9366; fax (765)497-0164; email sbonney@iquest.net
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Subject: Re: Mars Grey water treatment
From: Brian Gracia
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:43:01 -0600
At 01:56 PM 2/24/99 , you wrote:
>
>Paul or anyone: Did anyone see a response from Paul? Jorg Ostrowski
>______________________________________________________________________
>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Jorg D. Ostrowski wrote:
>>
>> Paul or anyone else: Does anyone have more information on your recent
>> message on the Mars Program? We too have
>> cascades and algae as part of the filtering system (before getting to the
>> hydroponics, marshes and fish tanks). Jorg ostrowski
>>
This is the web site for "Mars Direct." I read the book "Mars Direct." It
is worth reading, even if you are not a sci-fi buff. He tells it like it
is. We can go to Mars dirt cheap!!
http://www.nw.net/mars/marsdirect.html
>From this page, you can probably find what you are looking for.
Brian Gracia
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Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:56:32 -0700 (MST)
Steve: Both the "Reply to" and "To" addresses are the same, as noted
below. Jorg ostrowski
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:59:59 -0500
From: sbonney@iquest.net
Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
every message I get from this listserver compared to the other 5
listservers to which I subscribe,
>IS DOUBLE, IS DOUBLE!
Jorg,
If a msg to sent To: you and cc: aquaponics, you will receive the message
twice. Look in the heading section to see if this is happening.
Steve
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Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: Michael Strates
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 02:30:05 +1100 (EST)
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Jeff Voris wrote:
JV> PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE !!!
Okay.. For the 35th time, here are the unsubscribe instuctions. Oh, and it
goes without saying.. others please retain them for future use, over the
past two months there has been 46 messages posted relating to the
subscription/unsubscription of this mailing list.
Normally I'd flame people who don't keep unsubscription notices, but today
I'll just sit back and relax. I'm not going to ruin my so-far-good
morning -Michael
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Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: Chris Hedemark
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:30:42 -0500
Michael Strates wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Jeff Voris wrote:
>
> JV> PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE !!!
>
> Okay.. For the 35th time, here are the unsubscribe instuctions. Oh, and it
> goes without saying.. others please retain them for future use, over the
> past two months there has been 46 messages posted relating to the
> subscription/unsubscription of this mailing list.
Michael, if it were any other list, I would probably stick with a more
peaceful approach but I don't know what it is about this list... I have
NEVER seen this many unsubscribe requests posted to any of the many
other mailing lists that I participate in. And it is not like our
gracious hosts don't provide this information enough.
I am almost inclined to set up a special filter on my mail client that
sends back to the sender a long flame form whenever they post such
requests to the list (private reply, obviously... don't want to bring
more CRAP on the list).
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Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
From: "Susanne Machler"
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:31:07 PST
Jorg, (and others) I have seen your tag(s) on more than one list, and
you too Mike (AU) on the solar list.Would you mind sharing some of the
other list you/ anybody find worthwhile recommending, I am also on the
solar cooking list and 4 at CREST.org,
Any others worthwhile tht fall into the greener shades of life?
Tah, anyone...
Sue.
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:55:51 -0700 (MST)
From: "Jorg D. Ostrowski"
To: S & S Aqua Farm
Cc: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: mail systems help/twins
Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Paula: While we on the topic of streamlining, every message I get from
this listserver compared to the other 5 listservers to which I
subscribe,
IS DOUBLE, IS DOUBLE! I have no idea why, but it would help me if this
was
NOT the case. Suggestions anyone? Jorg ostrowski
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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