Aquaponics Digest - Tue 03/30/99
Message 1: Re: NFT Troughs
from "William Brown"
Message 2: Genetic Engineering
from Dave Miller
Message 3: Re: Genetic Engineering
from "KevinLReed"
Message 4: Re: Genetic Engineering
from "vpage"
Message 5: Re: Genetic Engineering
from "TGTX"
Message 6: [Fwd: Melissa Virus - Please Post This is Dave Miller Speaking!]
from Dave Miller
Message 7: Re: Genetic Engineering
from Dave Miller
Message 8: [Fwd: phd melissa variant (fwd)]
from Dave Miller
Message 9: Getting started
from mark stephens
Message 10: Re: Getting started
from "TGTX"
Message 11: Re: Easter Season
from doelle
Message 12: Re: Easter Season
from "TGTX"
Message 13: Exodus...Movement of Jah People
from "TGTX"
Message 14: Re: Getting started
from "vpage"
Message 15: Re: Getting started
from "Dale Robinson"
Message 16: Re: Easter Season
from "tess"
Message 17: Re: Getting started
from MUDDTOO
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Subject: Re: NFT Troughs
From: "William Brown"
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:47:55 -0000
Aluminum is oxidized and plain aluminum troughs will be consumed in a matter
of time unless coated with something such as epoxy or Zophar asphalt based
paint for potable systems. It will help neutralize your pH.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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From: Ted Ground
To:
Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: NFT Troughs
>Adriana,
>
>Does any of the aluminum go into solution at pH 6.8 or there abouts?
>Do you use enamel or acrylic paint to coat the aluminum to keep it from
>direct contact with the water? Or perhaps a film of plastic?
>
>Ted.
>
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Subject: Genetic Engineering
From: Dave Miller
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:47:54 -0500
Ted and All Aquaponikers,
I held off writing about Ted's genetic engineering question until I felt
I could back up my sometimes reactional words. Recently some research
and other info has come to me while meditating upon the question and the
responses of others. First, a thanks that this discussion has been most
civil unlike some recent flare-ups. As a group, we are more vocal in
some ways than others and we can also seem more pigheaded but there is a
reason why -- aquaponics as a coined name is quite recent (despite the
Incan practice hundreds of years ago before we slaughtered their
knowledge) and so we feel we are pioneers carving a niche.
So, assuming we are rising up and slowly re-perfecting systems, there
naturally will be flux and reactivity both positive and negative. That's
redundant, isn't it? How else do we learn and modify? I appreciate a
mistake and hopefully never repeat it again.
As I work with customers one-on-one, I hopefully make only one mistake
at a time. Put otherwise, I can only hope that the mistakes that I do
make are affecting the least number of people and only for one time. Yet
genetic engineering CAN and DOES effect hundreds to millions to possibly
billions whether "sucessful" or if just one grave mistake is made.
Actually, a mistake need not be made, the switch to GE produced soy and
many other feed crops WAS made without your consent. You are likely
feeding your fish with these feed unless you are using what Ted has
hoped to create: a safe feed that can be declared organic - by some
senses even vegetarian acceptable. (Ted can fill in here if you have not
read his earlier posts).
Before you can fully contemplate or even dismiss my thoughts, realize
that a bad reaction from GE will not likely take-off like a nuclear
reaction nor a bubonic plague. Then again, no one will be notified
prior, during, nor will they be told that they ARE the experimental
subject without permission. And this is occuring now. E-mail me
privately if you wish to know more: recycler@eclipse.net
Okay, my position is to minimize all GE research, perhaps with sampling
granted toward SOME experiments assuming they are never for consumption
though my next thought IS toward those needing medicines: "These
processes hold the promise of freeing society of its reliance on many
animal-derived products, which would in fact further our ethical goal of
not having to slaughter or mistreat animals to derive products from
them" - Emanuel Goldman
I understand that insulin was originally derived from pig intestines and
is now synthesized via genetic placement into bacteria which reproduces
a copy. I also understand that milk and milk product consumption now is
linked to diabetes (type 2 adult onset) due to the IGHF-1 (insulin
growth hormone factor) offsetting natural production in the pancreas.
To me, it sounds like nature corrects itself but we do it in reverse. (I
correct myself, I can only observe polarity but may not be able to put
my vibes into words).
Drawing upon an earlier post: nature (which moves quite slowly in
changes to make sure the process works), takes care of itself and
has/will for millineums. Then we choose to tinker.
We consume milk from another animal meant for the young of that specie
and then we synthesize a process (insulin) to counteract the illness or
disease (diabetes) that occurs down line. Funny that we could avoid this
by not consuming the cow milk in the first place. Why does the thought
of human breast milk cheese weird many when this is mammal specific? You
would not digest the milk of man's best friend, a dog, yet one might try
to remove a camphor gene to make use of a sugar substitute?
Synergistic Relationships:
There are situations where we attempt to isolate the active component
being rather assured that "this is it" - the newest cure-all. We
regularly forget that the synergistic or symbiotic relationship means
that the "whole" is needed to produce generational success. We have not
learned (rather we simply have forgotten or choose to hide) that just
when we think we have the answer, science (or the mystery of the
universe) offers a complete turnaround in opinion. Call it a cleansing
if you will but plague suffices quite nicely. How many times have you
lost a crop or school of fish when you thought all was going right? Did
you research all the bacterial possibilities yet missed something? And
when no obvious answer via analysis was returned and you were frustrated
did you act non-chalant?
Hey, maybe you did not use the right chemical reagent or you forgot to
pray to the fish god if there is one.
An analogy:
I am quoting Peter Coffee, PC Week Online from ZDNet.com so:
It's all right to have geniuses build systems for
use by idiots, but the path from laboratory to
marketplace needs to go through the proving
ground of prudent engineering.
Consider the first elevator: the person who first
thought of throwing a rope over a branch, and
pulling down to raise something up, was
probably a genius -- at least, relative to those
around him. But the first person who tried to
duplicate the idea may well have wound up with
a fractured skull when a rope slipped or broke.
That's the difference between invention and
design.
Today, the essential concept of an elevator is
almost buried -- desirably so -- in safety
mechanisms. Genius may innovate, but
engineering assimilates. Today, most of the
intellectual capital invested in the idea of "an
elevator" is spent on keeping the user from
getting hurt. And elevators only do one thing.
Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office do
many things, a growing number of things, a
bewildering variety of things. At the same time
that Microsoft is modifying the elevator, so to
speak, to move sideways and to fly, they are
trying (often halfheartedly) to add safety on
instead of designing it in. The result is never as
good as it needs to be. (Think GE, my words).
Windows begins with the model of a single user
on a single, personally controlled machine, and
never recovers from the resulting assumption
that no piece of code would be on a machine if
the user didn't want it to be there. (Labeling)
So we are back to labeling. The darndest reality is that if truth in
labeling for foods is ever enacted beyond the present scope, the general
public will not be shocked and thus panic; we've been lied to long
enough and we won't REALLY be too surprised. The teenagers I speak with
now know that they can't change their parents diets or related concerns
(ex. recycling) readily. They will likely dictate some change but in
their generation. This same generation will be dealing with genetically
altered and reproduced animals but won't likely be phased as it will
seem the norm and they can't bother as long as a fast-food meal is ready
(enter Jetsons episode - you choose which).
I am personally bothered by misconceptions and non-labeling yet I am
more concerned with misrepresentation surrounding genetic engineering.
Especially where a growth hormone (rBST) also know as BGH) is mislabeled
and placed into a food source without my knowledge. Monsanto lied when
they presented their chart of amino acids, lycene was not lycene, in
fact they had created a freak hormone never found in nature. For more on
this go to http://www.notmilk.com (I don't have to be kosher, vegan or
allergic to want to know that my food source is deemed safe and genetic
engineering has quite yet to prove itself.
Actually, we are proving it as we speak and only time will prove the
safety aside fron any ethics issue one might have. Remember that trial
studies for humans, say 3 generations, takes maybe 50-60 years. No
company wants to wait that long when a patent runs out after 20 years.
Look at the backlash for Viagra in realtime tests. Oh and Olestra giving
those who want fat free food major diarrhea. GE will not likely create a
human with 2 heads but it did create many freak malformed calves while
the bovine growth hormone was developed. Oh but science prefers to
publish the successes and hide the gross abnormalities. Read "Milk, the
Deadly Poison" by Robert Cohen. Discover for yourself what greed does
when genetic engineering is involved on a corporate (for profit) level.
The first genetic cow known to the public as "Gene" was only a success
after a string of many gross and freakish failures. And the public was
only told of the cow AFTER IT SURVIVED the first few months. Genetic
engineering may hold some merit but we have to move away from the lies
and be honest about the real and serious implications. Sure 200 samples
and one success seems like progress. Would you get pregnant and have 199
miscarriages then call the baby that survives a miracle?
Love this group,
Dave
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Subject: Re: Genetic Engineering
From: "KevinLReed"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:15:39 -0800
If Man were meant to fly God would have given him wings ...
is that about right?
Kevin
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Subject: Re: Genetic Engineering
From: "vpage"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:08:34 -0700
Poor analogy-the damage from flying might be reparable.
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Subject: Re: Genetic Engineering
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:48:24 -0600
Kevin wrote:
> If Man were meant to fly God would have given him wings ...
> is that about right?
Kevin, you almost have it there....I heard it was "If man were meant to
fly, God would have given him airplane tickets"
A corollary to that is "If Man was not meant to hunt...why would God give
us flannel shirts?"
Ted
Kevin, I defer to your expertise in this field, sir....(since almost anyone
would have more expertise in genetic engineering than I do) could you
address the specific question I posed to the group recently? That is, what
is the big deal if a gene is removed from a plant by biotechnological
methods, since that is what we do by selective breeding, and since that is
what we have done for millenia?
Is the opposition to that specific idea yet another argument that any form
of intervention, domestication, animal or plant husbandry, or even the mere
existence of the human race on this planet are "BAD THINGs"? What
ecological, scientific, or other objections can be raised against the
specific question that I raised that will stand naked and pass muster in
the light of reason? I still have not seen a response that answers the
question in detail.
Cheerio,
Ted
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Subject: [Fwd: Melissa Virus - Please Post This is Dave Miller Speaking!]
From: Dave Miller
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:50:07 -0500
The information below only partially proves my point, there are some
real deranged people who will do sick things to get attention. Mary
Shelly and Edgar Allen Poe understand this. Why is it so hard to get a
point across. I know, that one success in a hundred cured the world...
This is Dave Miller with a TRUE virus to report. It has already made
national news, the FBI is involved and the writer has been traced to
AOL. The virus is called Melissa and before you doubt me check out:
http://www.zdnn.com
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/mailissa.html
Here is the scoop of this quickly spreading macro-code virus:
The virus is a Word macro virus called Melissa. As currently
propagated, it arrives in your email as a message with the
subject "Important Message from" and the name of someone you
may well know. The body of the message contains "Here is that
document you asked for ... don't show anyone else ;-)". The
virus payload is contained in an attached Microsoft Word
document. Don't open that Word document!
Once you do, if you use Outlook for your email the virus will
attempt to send infected messages to the top 50 names in your
address book. Those people may also become infected if they
open the attached Word document.
Because the virus lives in a Visual Basic for Applications
(VBA) module, it can easily be moved to any other Microsoft
Office product, including Excel, Access, and Powerpoint. The
virus is contained the Word document, not the email message
itself, so you can't rely on the email message alone as a way
to know if you've received the virus.
Because this virus immediately sends 50 copies of itself to
your friends on activation, we believe it may be the fastest
spreading virus we've ever seen. That's why we're taking the
unusual step of sending you this message.
What to do now:
* Don't open email attachments, even if they're from someone
you know. It is perfectly safe to read the contents of the
email, however (unless you're using Word as your email
reader). It's the attached documents that pose a risk.
* Update your anti-virus software. Norton Anti-Virus and
McAfee both have updates that detect Melissa and prevent
infection. If you're using another product check with your
vendor for updates.
What to do in general:
* Always keep your anti-virus product up-to-date
* Be careful about opening files attached to email, even if
you know the person who sent it.
For more information about this virus visit:
http://www.zdnn.com
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/mailissa.html
W97M.Mailissa (also known as W97M.Melissa) is a typical macro virus
which has
an unusual payload. When a user opens an infected document, the virus
will attempt
to e-mail a copy of this document to up to 50 other people, using
Microsoft
Outlook.
Similar to W97M.Pri, the virus turns off the security protection upon
opening an
infected document in MS Word 2000. This disables MS Word 2000 macro
prompt
the next time the document is opened.
It infects a MS Word 97 and MS Word 2000 document by adding a new VBA5
(macro) module named Melissa. Although there is nothing unique in the
infection
routine of this macro virus, it has a payload that utilizes MS Outlook
to send an
attachment of the infected document being opened.
Payload
As its primary payload, the virus will attempt to use Microsoft Outlook
to e-mail a
copy of the infected document to up to 50 other people. When a user
opens or
closes an infected document, the virus first checks to see if it has
done this mass
e-mailing once before, by checking the following registry key:
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\" as "Melissa?" value.
If this key has a value "Melissa?" set to the value "...by Kwyjibo",
then the mass
e-mailing has been done previously from the current machine. The virus
will not
attempt to do the mass mailing a second time, if it has already been
done from this
machine.
If it does not find the registry entry, the virus does the following:
1.Open MS Outlook.
2.Using MAPI calls, it gets the user profile to use MS Outlook.
3.It creates a new e-mail message to be sent to up to 50 addresses
listed in the
user's MS Outlook address book.
4.It gives the email message a subject line:
"Important Message From USERNAME",
where USERNAME is taken from MS Word setting.
5.The body of the email message is:
"Here is that document you asked for ... don't show anyone else
;-)"
6.It attaches the active document (the infected document being opened
or
closed) to the email message.
7.It sends the e-mails.
Please note that "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office" is a
registry entry created by MS Office. The virus simply adds the new
value "Melissa?"
into this registry entry. This value is set to "…by Kwyjibo" if the
virus has previously
e-mailed an infected document from the system. Once the value is set,
the virus will
not attempt another mass mailing from the same machine.
There is a second payload which triggers once an hour, at the number of
minutes
past the hour corresponding to the date (i.e., on the 16th of the
month, the payload
triggers at 16 minutes after every hour). If an infected document is
opened or closed
at the appropriate minute, this payload will insert the following
sentence into the
document:
" Twenty-two points, plus triple-word-score, plus fifty points for
using
all my letters. Game's over. I'm outta here."
Note that the virus will also infect other documents on the user's
machine, using the
normal infection mechanisms of macro viruses, even if the user does not
have MS
Outlook. So, it is potentially possible for a new document from any
user's machine
to be e-mailed to other people through the following steps:
1.User opens Document 1 containing Melissa infection.
2.Melissa also infects a new Document 2 on the user's machine (even
if the user
does not have MS Outlook).
3.User e-mails Document 2 to another person who has not previously
been
infected by Melissa and who does have MS Outlook.
4.When that second person opens the infected Document 2 on their
machine,
the document will be e-mailed to 50 people via MS Outlook.
Hiding its activity:
Similar to most macro viruses, this macro virus tries to hide its
activity by disabling
the following menu items:
Tools-Macro in MS Word 97
By disabling this menu command, the virus prevents any user from
listing the
macro / VBA module in MS Word 97 to manually check for infection.
Macro-Security in MS Word 2000
By disabling this menu command, it prevents the user from changing
the
security level in MS Word 2000.
To hide its infection activity, it also disables the following options
in MS Word 97:
Prompt to save Normal template
Confirm conversion at Open
Macro virus protection
With these options disabled, MS Word 97 does not warn or prompt while
saving
the NORMAL.DOT or while opening a document with macros in it.
Repair Notes:
Norton AntiVirus users can protect themselves from this virus by
downloading the
current virus definitions either through LiveUpdate or from the
following webpage:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/download.html
Write-up by: Raul K. Elnitiarta
March 26, 1999
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Subject: Re: Genetic Engineering
From: Dave Miller
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:54:54 -0500
> If Man were meant to fly God would have given him wings ...
> is that about right?
>
> Kevin, you almost have it there....I heard it was "If man were meant to
> fly, God would have given him airplane tickets"
snip
Ted, I love your humor you always make a point. In reality, whenever a
major transition is about to occur, arguments as to the usefulness vs
rightiousness will occur. We are at that time shift paradigm now.
Dave
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Subject: [Fwd: phd melissa variant (fwd)]
From: Dave Miller
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:59:35 -0500
So now we clone, oops only a variant, I mean copycat...
--
Dave
there is already a melissa variant dubbed papa.
the new virus is an Excel virus that sends itself in the same manner as
Melissa, but sends itself to the first 60 people in a user's address book
compared to 50 with Melissa. In addition, Papa sends an e-mail out every time
the virus is activated. Melissa only sends the message the first time it is
opened.
this time the subject line claims the message is from all.net and Fred Cohen.
The body of the e-mail, which contains an attached document titled "path.xls,"
then instructs the user not to disable the macros, which is how the virus is
activated.
the source code for melissa was posted on most
virus lists late Friday night, so expect more variants.
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Subject: Getting started
From: mark stephens
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:31:42 -0500
I am in the process of setting up a tropical fish aquarium and thought to
filter it using plants. I'm well versed in tropical aquaria and in growing
plants. I don't want to eat either the fish or the plants. It will be
small, say a 15 or 20 gal tank and kept in the office.
I had thought to use a 2' flower box as the filter as well as plants
growing in the tank itself. Plants would need to be those comfortable with
wet roots, like bog or floating plants. Connection between the tank and
box would be a simple siphon and small pump.
At the least, the plant roots should provide homes for the nitrogen cycle
bacteria (ammonia -> nitrite -> nitrate) to support a few fish.
I actually have the window box in a west facing window with a potted
umbrella palm and some plant cuttings (e.g., wandering jew, pathos). The
palm is not doing much filter wise, but looks great. I'll add other potted
and floating plants (any suggestions).
So, is there a FAQ, web sites or text books on aquaponics? The web sites
I've run across are mainly commercial ones with few design ideas. I'd be
interested in looking at information for large scale fish/veggie setup down
to something approaching my scale.
thanks,
mark
_____________________________________________________________________________
mark stephens Integrated Financial Management Project
Technical & Contracts Office Code 401.2, Bld 6, Room S139
Goddard Space Flight Center Greenbelt, MD 20771
Voice: 301 286-4269 Fax: 301 286-1700
Pager: 301 647-9910 Pager text: http://ifmp.nasa.gov/pager/
"In constraint, is freedom"
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:39:29 -0600
Hi mark.
Sounds like a neat project. Aquaponics mutates into the office
environment...so much for the average corporate fodder myth.
I posted some references to water gardening and water gardening plant
sources on the list within the last month or so. My email files crashed and
were lost, so I dont have those right at the tip of my fingers at this
moment. So if anyone wants to forward those posts to Mark if you still
have them, please do so.
Remember your plants will contribute to nitrogen removal, but bacteria in
the growing media of the system will also do the nitrification thing, so I
still suggest pea gravel, from 1/4" to 3/8" diameter in your small planter
box. I personally like ebb and flow, but you could do quite well with a
simple mighty giant aquarium pump going at it all day and night long with
an adjustable drain setup with a small , say 3/4 inch ball valve that would
allow you to adjust the discharge rate and therefore the average height of
water in the little planter box (Remember the related rates problems in
calculus where you had a hose, a bucket, and a hole punch and were supposed
to keep the bucket from both flooding over and going empty ?).
You might try ginger in your system..or a dwarf papyrus...or any of the
house plants you mentioned might work..
Here's a hint. Get some rainbow Swiss Chard (Other wise known as Bright
Lights variety). Plant it in the pea gravel..Don't harvest it...let it get
ridicously big....that is, until your office resembles Costa Rica....put
some cocockatiel cages in there so that the birds are just peaking out of
the foliage...turn on some rainforest CD music, and go to work everyday
brandishing a machete and a pit helmet....Tell yourself..."It's good to be
the boss"..
Aquaponic Cubicle Workers of the World Unite!
Hope this helps.
Ted.
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Subject: Re: Easter Season
From: doelle
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:10:40 +1000
I wish all foes, friends and in-betweens a very Happy Easter and may God
bless you all.
Kindest regards
Horst
Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
Chairman, IOBB
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Easter Season
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:34:36 -0600
> I wish all foes, friends and in-betweens a very Happy Easter and may God
bless >you all.
>
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Horst
Horst,
Amen.
Ted
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Subject: Exodus...Movement of Jah People
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:04:12 -0600
Aquaponikers,
Did you ever hear the expression "He's so poor he can't pay attention"?
As of Thursday, April 1, I will no longer be paying attention on a daily
basis.
No, this is not The Muse hijacking the cerebral cortex of yours truly.
Rather, the economics and reality of my situation is changing. Once again.
So be it.
For the foreseeable future, I will still stay on the list...lurking as they
say... but I will try to check messages and topic trends when I come back
to the little shop of information in the evening. Maybe I will be able to
find some time on the weekends to add an occasional rubber chicken or rude
noise to the information swarm. Y'all keep it buzzing...
I encourage YOU ALL to pursue the Aquaponics thing as you see it.
It could feed your head, your belly, your family, your town, and the world.
Tom and Paula S..... thanks again for everything you have done and continue
to do..
hosting and supporting this little electronic community. You guys are the
best.
Gotta go do some stuff for now. Until the unforeseeable future arrives....
We'll meet again
Dont know how,
Dont know when...
But we'll meet again some
Sunny Day....
Yeeeehawwwww............!
And fade to black..and roll the credits.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: "vpage"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:55:34 -0700
My cardamon plants did ver well and smell beautiful when the leaves are
rubbed.
VPage
-----Original Message-----
From: mark stephens
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 12:32 PM
Subject: Getting started
>I am in the process of setting up a tropical fish aquarium and thought to
>filter it using plants. I'm well versed in tropical aquaria and in growing
>plants. I don't want to eat either the fish or the plants. It will be
>small, say a 15 or 20 gal tank and kept in the office.
>
>I had thought to use a 2' flower box as the filter as well as plants
>growing in the tank itself. Plants would need to be those comfortable with
>wet roots, like bog or floating plants. Connection between the tank and
>box would be a simple siphon and small pump.
>
>At the least, the plant roots should provide homes for the nitrogen cycle
>bacteria (ammonia -> nitrite -> nitrate) to support a few fish.
>
>I actually have the window box in a west facing window with a potted
>umbrella palm and some plant cuttings (e.g., wandering jew, pathos). The
>palm is not doing much filter wise, but looks great. I'll add other potted
>and floating plants (any suggestions).
>
>So, is there a FAQ, web sites or text books on aquaponics? The web sites
>I've run across are mainly commercial ones with few design ideas. I'd be
>interested in looking at information for large scale fish/veggie setup down
>to something approaching my scale.
>
>thanks,
>
>mark
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
__
>mark stephens Integrated Financial Management Project
>Technical & Contracts Office Code 401.2, Bld 6, Room S139
>Goddard Space Flight Center Greenbelt, MD 20771
>
>Voice: 301 286-4269 Fax: 301 286-1700
>Pager: 301 647-9910 Pager text: http://ifmp.nasa.gov/pager/
>
> "In constraint, is freedom"
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: "Dale Robinson"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:23:29 -0600
You can take your pick of hydroponic designs as long as you keep in mind
that the fish wastes have to be broken down into usable minerals.
Take a look at some designs at,
Best regards
Dale Robinson
prof-robinson@worldnet.att.net
> I am in the process of setting up a tropical fish aquarium and thought to
> filter it using plants. I'm well versed in tropical aquaria and in
growing
> plants. I don't want to eat either the fish or the plants. It will be
> small, say a 15 or 20 gal tank and kept in the office.
>
> I had thought to use a 2' flower box as the filter as well as plants
> growing in the tank itself. Plants would need to be those comfortable
with
> wet roots, like bog or floating plants. Connection between the tank and
> box would be a simple siphon and small pump.
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Subject: Re: Easter Season
From: "tess"
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:19:49 -0700
Same to you, may God Bless
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> From: doelle
> To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: Easter Season
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:10 PM
>
> I wish all foes, friends and in-betweens a very Happy Easter and may God
bless you all.
>
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Horst
>
> Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
>
> Chairman, IOBB
>
> Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
>
> FAX: +617-38783230
>
> Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: MUDDTOO
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:54:28 EST
In a message dated 99-03-30 17:08:30 EST, Mark writes:
<< I am in the process of setting up a tropical fish aquarium and thought to
filter it using plants. I'm well versed in tropical aquaria and in growing
plants. I don't want to eat either the fish or the plants. It will be
small, say a 15 or 20 gal tank and kept in the office.
I had thought to use a 2' flower box as the filter as well as plants
growing in the tank itself. Plants would need to be those comfortable with
wet roots, like bog or floating plants. Connection between the tank and
box would be a simple siphon and small pump.
Hello Mark,
You should consider growing sweet potato in a bed of perlite, fed by an extra
tall syphon tube from your aquarium. A slice of sweet potato will grow into a
pretty plant and the roots don't mind all that water. Have fun.
Joel
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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