Aquaponics Digest - Fri 04/02/99
Message 1: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 2: RE: Fight Gas Prices
from Paul V
Message 3: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "Wendy Nagurny"
Message 4: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from JobieEagan@webtv.net
Message 5: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "Marc S. Nameth"
Message 6: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "Sam Levy"
Message 7: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from William Evans
Message 8: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "William Brown"
Message 9: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 10: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 11: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 12: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 13: RE: Fight Gas Prices
from "brett deiser"
Message 14: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 15: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 16: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from "Marc S. Nameth"
Message 17: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "Marc S. Nameth"
Message 18: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "Marc S. Nameth"
Message 19: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 20: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from JobieEagan@webtv.net
Message 21: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from JobieEagan@webtv.net
Message 22: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from "Uwe Bruenjes"
Message 23: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from "Uwe Bruenjes"
Message 24: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
from "Wendy Nagurny"
Message 25: Genetic engineering
from DAVEINBHAM
Message 26: Re: Fight Gas Prices
from "tess"
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:13:59 EST
In a message dated 4/1/99 10:07:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
orchid@kellnet.com writes:
<< just a observation
>From talking to the county auditor when he was certifying the gas pumps
while I was filling up. Where I live between federal , state, county and
city taxes all the taxes on the gas adds up to .49 per gallon and gas is
running 1.06 per gallon.
So we can't lay all the blame on the oil companies.
Ron >>
Good oberservation Ron, and don't forget the distributors and the retail
mark-up,we have great prices compared to other countries, wouldn't life be
great if we could fix the problems,instead of the blame! Ken
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Subject: RE: Fight Gas Prices
From: Paul V
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:06:55 -0500
> So we can't lay all the blame on the oil
> companies.
In our representative republic (USA), we get
ourselves the government we deserve.
Paul
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "Wendy Nagurny"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:26:57 -0500
The recent gasoline price hike has not been because of the oil cartel
production cuts. Gasoline around here is still between 86 and 89 cents/gal.
The only places I have seen gas prices over the $1.00 mark is on the
interstates. The big jump has been in California where gasoline is
approaching the $2.00 mark in some locations. This is because California
requires a special gasoline which is ultra clean burning. In recent months
there has been major fires at two oil refineries in the U.S. 45% of the
California gas came from these two refineries which are temporarily unable
to produce this gas because of the damage. Since the damage was so great,
several other refineries are currently changing over some lines to produce
the California gas. This is causing small increases in some parts of the
country that are serviced by these refineries. A protest will ease
production demands, but will do little to offset the fire damage at the
refineries. On the other hand, we should always be using as little fossil
fuels as possible anyhow so if you wish to stop buying gas on April 30, or
anyother day, please go for it.
Wendy
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: JobieEagan@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:27:13 -0500 (EST)
Jim,
How did you get hybrid bream? I've heard of other hybrids, but not
bream. Does sound interesting. Would you tell us more?
Thanks, Trudy
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "Marc S. Nameth"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:52:13 -0700
How about farm products based alcohol for fuel?
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:18:54 PST
I wish I could get gas for $1.06/gal.
Here in Israel it went up last night to around $0.86 per LITER.
sam
>
>In a message dated 4/1/99 10:07:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>orchid@kellnet.com writes:
>
><< just a observation
>
> >From talking to the county auditor when he was certifying the gas
pumps
> while I was filling up. Where I live between federal , state, county
and
> city taxes all the taxes on the gas adds up to .49 per gallon and gas
is
> running 1.06 per gallon.
> So we can't lay all the blame on the oil companies.
> Ron >>
>Good oberservation Ron, and don't forget the distributors and the
retail
>mark-up,we have great prices compared to other countries, wouldn't life
be
>great if we could fix the problems,instead of the blame! Ken
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: William Evans
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:34:07 -0800
aaaahh contrair monfrair... the refineries here (CA),pump gas to the
east coast as well, yet we pay 50% more..... cheap gas in sandiego cnty
is 1.49.
They jacked the price cause they can. Not the station owners, the
companies have raised the cost to the dealers.
Local movement has tried to get city councils to enact legislation to
ease the monopoly round here, to no avail. Gas in CA is 90% supplied
from Alaska at 7 bucks a barrel, whereas east coast oil is primarily
Arab origin and I guess some western/southern hemisphere as well at
TWELVE bucks a barrel. Almost twice the cost on the east coast for
the raw oil!
billevans
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "William Brown"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:46:28 -0000
Haven't noticed any appreciable loss of shelf life in our local lettuce
sales. Common to hear customers say it keeps a week in the refrigerator,
hopefully it's gone by then so they'll buy more. I think imported lettuce
suffers from being kept chilled at near freezing temps.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:27:53 -0600
I'm using a male bluegill and female green sunfish cross.
Jim
JobieEagan@webtv.net wrote:
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> Jim,
> How did you get hybrid bream? I've heard of other hybrids, but not
> bream. Does sound interesting. Would you tell us more?
> Thanks, Trudy
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:00:43 EST
In a message dated 4/2/99 9:49:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
marc@dimensional.com writes:
<< How about farm products based alcohol for fuel?
>>
Hi Marc, Isn't that what Methanol is? Ken
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:58:33 EST
Hi Trudy, I'm Not Jim,but here's a web site for Georgia Giant-Hybrid Bream
http:www.kens-fishfarm.com Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:09:23 EST
In a message dated 4/1/99 6:19:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jimsealyjr@who.net writes:
<< Is anyone else raising hybrid bream rather than tilapia in an aquaponics
system?
I'm looking for information on growout times and suggested feeding
rates.
Thanks,
Jim Sealy Jr.
>>
Hey Jim, There is a fish farm here in Georgia,that specializes in hybrid
bream,the owners name is Ken,he has developed his own Hybrid,it"s
registered,it's called Georgia Giant,can be raised in cages or open
water,grows up to 1LB per year,super aggressive,will attack a bare hook!
Here's the website,http:www.kens-fishfarm.com I've been thinking of trying
bream also,let me know how it goes please.Thanks Ken
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Subject: RE: Fight Gas Prices
From: "brett deiser"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:24:49 PST
>In our representative republic (USA), we get
>ourselves the government we deserve.
At the risk of playing the blame game the fault for poor
Government lays with those who don't vote and could.
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:24:46 EST
In a message dated 4/2/99 7:24:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, pvw@teleplex.net
writes:
<< In our representative republic (USA), we get
ourselves the government we deserve.
Paul
>>
We've got the best on earth,so I guess that means we've been good! God Bless
America from Sea to Shining Sea! Ken
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:20:50 -0600
I'm not looking for a hatchery. We've been raising the male bluegill x
female green sunfish cross for a while here in cages and open ponds and
have very good luck with them. My biggest cage fish weighed in at 3 lb
12 oz. after feeding on 25% floating catfish ration in one of our
production catfish ponds.
Judging by the limited number of responses, I guess no one else here is
trying them indoors.
They should make a very good drop-in replacement for Tilapia in
aquaponic systems, and don't suffer from some of the legal restrictions,
overseas competition, and consumer recognizability questions Tilapia
present in some areas of the US.
Jim
KLOTTTRUE wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/1/99 6:19:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jimsealyjr@who.net writes:
>
> << Is anyone else raising hybrid bream rather than tilapia in an aquaponics
> system?
> I'm looking for information on growout times and suggested feeding
> rates.
> Thanks,
> Jim Sealy Jr.
> >>
> Hey Jim, There is a fish farm here in Georgia,that specializes in hybrid
> bream,the owners name is Ken,he has developed his own Hybrid,it"s
> registered,it's called Georgia Giant,can be raised in cages or open
> water,grows up to 1LB per year,super aggressive,will attack a bare hook!
> Here's the website,http:www.kens-fishfarm.com I've been thinking of trying
> bream also,let me know how it goes please.Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: "Marc S. Nameth"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:44:28 -0700
Missouri
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "Marc S. Nameth"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:49:49 -0700
Fer sure! Alcohol production would be a sure source of a
living for the farmers and the pollution would be much less.
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "Marc S. Nameth"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:56:50 -0700
http://www.methanol.com/ec_sales.htm
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:51:25 EST
In a message dated 4/2/99 4:29:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jimsealyjr@who.net writes:
<<
I'm not looking for a hatchery. We've been raising the male bluegill x
female green sunfish cross for a while here in cages and open ponds and
have very good luck with them. My biggest cage fish weighed in at 3 lb
12 oz. after feeding on 25% floating catfish ration in one of our
production catfish ponds.
Judging by the limited number of responses, I guess no one else here is
trying them indoors.
They should make a very good drop-in replacement for Tilapia in
aquaponic systems, and don't suffer from some of the legal restrictions,
overseas competition, and consumer recognizability questions Tilapia
present in some areas of the US.
Jim >>
Hey Jim, did you say 3lb 12 ozs,thats a nice size bream,how long did it take
to grow to that size?also what part of the country are you in? you're getting
me excited now,Bream are my All-Time Favorite Fish! Please write soon Ken
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: JobieEagan@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:06:55 -0500 (EST)
I'm sure going to look your page over, Ken, but there are alot of miles
between us. I imagine shipping would be costly. Hybrids don't breed do
they? Thanks! Trudy
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: JobieEagan@webtv.net
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:17:03 -0500 (EST)
Thanks, Jim. And Ken has the Ga. giants. Are there any such thing in
Fl.? We certainly have bluegills, but I haven't heard of the other one.
Trudy
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: "Uwe Bruenjes"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 18:25:00 PST
Hi Jim and others,
what about weight gain, taste, feeding habits (omnivore?), etc.?
Uwe
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> << Is anyone else raising hybrid bream rather than tilapia in an aquap=
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: "Uwe Bruenjes"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 99 18:25:00 PST
Hi Jim and others,
what about weight gain, taste, feeding habits (omnivore?), etc.?
Uwe
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> << Is anyone else raising hybrid bream rather than tilapia in an aquap=
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Subject: Re: Hybrid bream and aquaponics
From: "Wendy Nagurny"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:58:21 -0500
> They should make a very good drop-in replacement for Tilapia in
>aquaponic systems, and don't suffer from some of the legal restrictions,
>overseas competition, and consumer recognizability questions Tilapia
>present in some areas of the US.
>Jim
Would they? I would think the temperature requirements would be different
for tilapia and a bluegill/sunfish cross since tilapia are tropical and the
others are temperate.
B.T.W. welcome back, Jim.
Wendy
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Subject: Genetic engineering
From: DAVEINBHAM
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:58:15 EST
In answer to Ted's question...
<<<>>>
I don't think that is quite what we have been doing for millenia.
Conventional plant breeding tends to select desirable traits from the
existing gene pool. It neither creates nor delets molecules from the DNA
helix in most cases.
>>>>Is the opposition to that specific idea yet another argument that any
form of intervention, domestication, animal or plant husbandry, or even the
mere
existence of the human race on this planet are "BAD THINGs"? <<<<
No. Opposition to current genetic engineering practices are simply questions
of prudence.
We do not know what the long term benefits/consequences of genetic
engineering will be.
Therein lies the problem.... no long term studies have been done.
The gamble here is only life on earth. Is that important to you ? It is to
me.
Hope this helps
Dave Holder
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Subject: Re: Fight Gas Prices
From: "tess"
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:04:27 -0700
Gas has gone up 50 cents a gallon in our area of Arizona in the last 2
weeks.
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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