Aquaponics Digest - Fri 04/09/99
Message 1: Re: Organic Farming
from Dave Miller
Message 2: Re: Anti-Biotics
from doelle
Message 3: Re: Algae Problem
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 4: Re: aquaponics ?not? organic?
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 5: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 6: Aquaponics in NZ
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 7: Fwd. SUMMER INTERNSHIP
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 8: Algae Solutions
from Dave Miller
Message 9: Re: Algae Solutions
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 10: Re: Algae Problem
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 11: Re: Algae Solutions
from Dave Miller
Message 12: Organic Issues
from Dave Miller
Message 13: Tilapia Feed
from "Robert mabry"
Message 14: Re: Got Fish
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 15: RE: Tilapia fingerling suppliers/prices
from "Joe Insana"
Message 16: RE: Got Fish
from "Ronald W. Brooks"
Message 17: Re: Tilapia sex reversal
from "Uwe Bruenjes"
Message 18: Re: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
from "Uwe Bruenjes"
Message 19: New Search Engine
from Dave Miller
Message 20: Re: Organic Issues
from doelle
Message 21: Re: Organic Issues
from Dave Miller
Message 22: Re: Got Fish
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 23: Re: Got Fish
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 24: Re: Got Fish
from "TGTX"
Message 25: Re: Got Fish
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 26: Re: Tilapia Feed
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 27: [Fwd: Aquaponics Information]
from Dave Miller
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Subject: Re: Organic Farming
From: Dave Miller
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:07:02 -0400
Gee Ted,
I never considered the charged part of the equation, I was thinking
osmosis but in fact they are the both part of the equation if I
understood correctly.
Interesting that the fertilizers don't actually cause the problem
(directly). I knew that the chloride ions acted to kill off the
microoganism balance within the soil which ecentually led to no
earthworms, etc.
I especially enjoyed learning the harmonic structure of ionic/anionic
charge vs pressure within both sides of the cell's membrane.
Are you sure you weren't a reference librarian in the past!
Thanks much for taking the time to post this.
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Dave
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An organic farmer
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Subject: Re: Anti-Biotics
From: doelle
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:04:17 +1000
Ken, Many thanks for your encouragement, a good medicine in these days.
Good to hear that things have changed. It is hard to get people out of the
'brainwashed wonderdrug' propaganda. It appears that the hospitals are the
places where you most likely get the superbugs.
After all your endurance, take care and best wishes
Horst
Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
Chairman, IOBB
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Algae Problem
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:40:33 EDT
Hi Adrianna,You get the prize,been cloudy here last few days,Algaes
gone.Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: aquaponics ?not? organic?
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:44:35 EDT
In a message dated 4/7/99 8:31:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ground@thrifty.net writes:
<< .I think a big parade of
aquaponic practitioners demanding this feed, or something like it, might
turn the tide, but who knows?
>>
So give us a Name and number,can't have a parade if we don't know where it's
going to be!
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Subject: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:17:57 -0500
Actually, Adriana, Sex reversal is the prefered method in many tilapia =
cultures in M=E9xico. Even the stock provided by the Aquaculture =
Institute of the Semarnap (Environment, natural resources and fisheries =
Bureau) for grow-out operations uses this option. So, Uwe, there is no =
problem, although I don't know how much it may cost.
Best regards
Ocean. Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Tennessee # 11 Col. N=E1poles
03810 M=E9xico, D.F.
M=E9xico.
Tels: (5) 687 02 35
523 40 13
Tels/Fax (ofic.) (5) 687 79 88
536 44 87
Cel. (5) 460 60 53
e-mail: arturosm@sanchezm.com.mx
gallardo@data.net.mx
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De: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta [SMTP:gutierrez-lagatta@home.com]
Enviado el: Jueves 8 de Abril de 1999 8:24 PM
Para: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Asunto: Re: Tilapia sex reversal
Uwe,
I don't believe we went into that level of detail but I'm sure Jim
Rakocy can tell you. I suspect you can get testosterone in Mexico with
little or no problem.
Adriana
> how much of it is needed? I remember that you went to some kind of =
course where you learnt that.
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Subject: Aquaponics in NZ
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:03:50 -0500
What fish are people raising commercially in New Zealand?
Jim
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Subject: Fwd. SUMMER INTERNSHIP
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:44:39 -0500
For any of you interested (and with available time), here's an opportunity
to work for one of the most interesting aquaculturists we know. We met
Robert Schmid at the Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers conference last
July in Tyler, TX, and would heartily recommend this as a great opportunity.
Although this is primarily an intensive aquaculture facility, there are some
aspects of aquaponics in their systems also.
Paula
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>From: RSchmid2
>Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:42:11 EDT
>Subject: SUMMER INTERNSHIP
>To: AQUA-L@killick.ifmt.nf.ca
>
> Simaron Fresh Water Fish, an intensive tilapia production facility in
>Texas, is looking for two interns for the summer. Housing is provided and
>pay begins at $800/mon and may go up to $1000/mon. It's a great opportunity
>to get your "feet wet" in comercial aquaculture and a good resume builder.
>
> For more details call (409) 826-3554 ask for Robert Schmid
>
> Regards, Robert Schmid GM, SFWF
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Subject: Algae Solutions
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:41:28 -0400
This just in from Rodale (Organic Gardening Magazine May/June issue):
Keep Ponds Clear
A little barley straw will prevent excess algae! Use 3 ounces per square
yard of pond surface in the spring before water plants leaf out and do
the job. Place in net bags with something buoyant and set near where
algae is concentrated. Replace in 6 months or when straw has rotted. The
straw also feeds the creatures in the pond. (Of course a stocked tank
would eat this much quicker).
British researchers confirmed that wheat straw and corn stalks also help
but to a lesser degree. Willow Pond Farms in NY 716-396-2753 was listed
as a source for the barley straw net bags (they appear to be nylon with
a zipper). Salt Spring Seeds in Canada 250-537-5269 was listed for
barley seeds.
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Dave
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A father of 2 cockatiels
An organic farmer
A veggie drummer/keyboardist
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Subject: Re: Algae Solutions
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:03:39 -0500
Any explanation about why this works?
Dave Miller wrote:
>
> This just in from Rodale (Organic Gardening Magazine May/June issue):
>
> Keep Ponds Clear
>
> A little barley straw will prevent excess algae! Use 3 ounces per square
> yard of pond surface in the spring before water plants leaf out and do
> the job. Place in net bags with something buoyant and set near where
> algae is concentrated. Replace in 6 months or when straw has rotted. The
> straw also feeds the creatures in the pond. (Of course a stocked tank
> would eat this much quicker).
>
> British researchers confirmed that wheat straw and corn stalks also help
> but to a lesser degree. Willow Pond Farms in NY 716-396-2753 was listed
> as a source for the barley straw net bags (they appear to be nylon with
> a zipper). Salt Spring Seeds in Canada 250-537-5269 was listed for
> barley seeds.
> --
> Dave
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Subject: Re: Algae Problem
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:16:48 -0400
Once in a while we get lucky Ken. You need to cover those tanks anyway
before the neighborhood cats, raccoons or stray blue herons from Florida
find out about your fishies. Word has it that they always get the
biggest one, too. Do you have a net over the top edge of the tank?
Tilapia like to jump out when they get excited by things like lights
coming on and off, a garage door opening and closing, etc.
Adriana
> Hi Adrianna,You get the prize,been cloudy here last few days,Algaes
> gone.Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: Algae Solutions
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:24:20 -0400
Jim,
No specifics but maybe www.organicgardening.com has more. The article
appeared on page 9 Vol 46 #3 of Organic Gardening magazine and states
that there were several British published reports but fails to cite
them.
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Dave
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Subject: Organic Issues
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:46:30 -0400
Quick News from Rodale as reported in the May/June issue of Organic
Gardening:
Defenders of chemical agriculture in response to public pressures to
reduce pollution, erosion and other damaging effects of chemical
fertilizers and pesticides are campaigning that organic food is
"deadly". Dennis Avery of Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank,
alleges that "Organic foods have clearly become the deadliest food
choice". (Is this guy for real or is he a tobacco lobbiest)?
Avery says that his goal is to prevent organic agriculture from becoming
the norm according to NY Times reporter Marian Burros. The New York
Times Feb 17th, 1999 page F5 article debunked Avery stating that many of
his claims were untrue and that even his sources including the Center
for Food Safety and Nutrition of the FDA have refuted his claims.
A rebbutal is available at http://www.ota.com
If you get this message twice I apologise, you may be on overlapping
lists.
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Dave
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Subject: Tilapia Feed
From: "Robert mabry"
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:53:40 PDT
Jim Sealy,
Thanks for your response on feed prices there in MS. You did not
answer the question of whether or not the protein content of your
feed is animal or vegetable. Also, do you have a phone # for the
supplier you mentioned? Have you given any thought to fresh water
prawns in light of your climate and the research of your fine Sea
Grant university down there?
Robert Mabry
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Subject: Re: Got Fish
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:49:46 EDT
Hello Aquapeople,I finally did it,settled with Insurance today on flood
damage,went to Farmers Market and bought 20 live Tilapia,they look pretty
stressed out,from the trip from the growers to the market,then to here.four
of them look like as far as their going to make it,is the table.I don't know
what I've got yet as far as sex,thought I would wait till they feel better
before I question them,I believe they are Nilotica's,anybody got any ideas on
how to insure their survival,at this critical point in time?I know I took a
chance,but they only cost $62.50 tax included. By the way I don't think I
told ya'll about raising Tilapia in Ga. The D.N.R. said you would have to get
a mortage to raise them in a pond,because back in 94 we had some bad flooding
and a lot of Tilapia escaped,and they survived,they have been catching them
in the major resevoirs,but the good news is I don't even have to have a
permit to raise them in a Greenhouse.Also I believe I have found a market for
all I can raise. Happy Trails
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Subject: RE: Tilapia fingerling suppliers/prices
From: "Joe Insana"
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:58:26 EDT
Paula
I too purchased my first (small)order of tilapia from Living Waters
and also found them to be very helpful and expedient. My fish are
doing well and growing amazingly fast.
Joe Insana
New London, OH
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Subject: RE: Got Fish
From: "Ronald W. Brooks"
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:17:15 -0400
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: aquaponics
-> [mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of KLOTTTRUE
-> Sent: Friday, April 09, 1999 4:50 PM
-> To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
-> Subject: Re: Got Fish
->
>>>snip<<<
-> believe they are Nilotica's,anybody got any ideas on
-> how to insure their survival,at this critical point in time?
They most likely have been purged , meaniong they have not had anything to
eat in 3-5 days. I would feed small amounts of feed every couple of hours
until they seem to perk up and then 3% of body weight per day broken up into
at least two feedings.
If you have 20 fish X 1.5 Lbs. average that equals 30 Lbs. of fish
3% of 30 Lbs. is 14 ounces a day
Adjust as necessary so that no feed is left floating after an hour ( some
say 15 minutes )
-> I know I took a
-> chance,but they only cost $62.50 tax included.
Not bad thats works out to be 3.13 a fish
Now do you know if the vender sold all male or mixed sex ?
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
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Subject: Re: Tilapia sex reversal
From: "Uwe Bruenjes"
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 11:21:27 PDT
Hi Adriana,
yes, getting it should be no problem; the question is, how much to applly=
(like: dilute three drops in...)
Uwe
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> Uwe,
>
> I don't believe we went into that level of detail but I'm sure Jim
> Rakocy can tell you. I suspect you can get testosterone in Mexico wit=
h
> little or no problem.
>
> Adriana
>
>
> > how much of it is needed? I remember that you went to some kind of =
course
> where you learnt that.
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Subject: Re: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
From: "Uwe Bruenjes"
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 12:21:55 PDT
Hi Alejandro,
this time you really surprised me! Of course, SEMARNAP is the way to go! =
You already recommended them a few times, and I know the local officel. =
For some reason, the fact that I'm always corresponding in English on lis=
ts which are mostly composed be Americans, somehow didn't allow me to see=
solution right in front of my nose. Ok, ok, shame on me!
Uwe
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>
> Actually, Adriana, Sex reversal is the prefered method in many tilapia
> cultures in M=E9xico. Even the stock provided by the Aquaculture Inst=
itute of
> the Semarnap (Environment, natural resources and fisheries Bureau) for
> grow-out operations uses this option. So, Uwe, there is no problem, =
although
> I don't know how much it may cost.
>
> Best regards
>
> Ocean. Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
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Subject: New Search Engine
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:37:56 -0400
I hope this helps in finding aquaponics resources:
http://www.savvysearch.com/
Type in aquaponics or related terms.
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Dave
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Subject: Re: Organic Issues
From: doelle
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:12:51 +1000
Dave, I have not read the article of Dennis Avery. However, he is correct IF=
raw manure is used for organic farming. IF raw manure is composted properly=
or anaerobically digested, then he has no leg to stand on.
Chemical addition to the soil [with the exception of pesticides] does not=
damage the food itself, but destroys the soil and eventually we have no=
crop because of soil infertility of the soil.
What organic farmers also have to watch is , OVERFEEDING. Overfeeding can,=
ofcourse, do similar damage to the soil than chemical application.=
Microorganisms certainly do not like to be overfed and thus stop working.
It all depends as to how he twists the argument.
Horst
Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
Chairman, IOBB
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Organic Issues
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:12:49 -0400
Horst,
Good or interesting points, much like the way statistics are twisted.
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Subject: Re: Got Fish
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 19:15:05 -0400
Good luck, Ken. As a 15-year resident of Atlanta in several previous
lives, I'm curious as to where you plan to sell them.
Adriana
Also I believe I have found a market for
> all I can raise.
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Subject: Re: Got Fish
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:34:47 EDT
In a message dated 4/9/99 6:18:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
orchid@kellnet.com writes:
<< Now do you know if the vender sold all male or mixed sex ? >>
Hi Ron, Don't have any Idea,couldn't find anyone there who speaks english!
Thanks Ken The one who walks one path,fell off and needs a bath.
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Subject: Re: Got Fish
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:37:42 -0500
> Hello Aquapeople,I finally did it,settled with Insurance today on flood
> damage,went to Farmers Market and bought 20 live Tilapia,they look pretty
> stressed out,from the trip from the growers to the market,then to
here.four
> of them look like as far as their going to make it,is the table.I don't
know
> what I've got yet as far as sex,thought I would wait till they feel
better
> before I question them,I believe they are Nilotica's,anybody got any
ideas on
> how to insure their survival,at this critical point in time?I know I took
a
> chance,but they only cost $62.50 tax included. By the way I don't think I
> told ya'll about raising Tilapia in Ga. The D.N.R. said you would have to
get
> a mortage to raise them in a pond,because back in 94 we had some bad
flooding
> and a lot of Tilapia escaped,and they survived,they have been catching
them
> in the major resevoirs,but the good news is I don't even have to have a
> permit to raise them in a Greenhouse.Also I believe I have found a market
for
> all I can raise. Happy Trails
Hey, Ken, man, this is great!
Give them plenty of oxygen with an air stone or what have you, and try to
ensure the least amount of stress such as sudden motion, lights, sounds,
etc., as you can for as long as it takes to have them settle down. I
would not try to feed them immediately, but you might "test them" with just
a small tidbit of food...if they go for it big time.... then give them just
a little bit, not a lot...this is really a subjective thing.., but you can
do this in small portions until it is clear that they don't want
anymore....Don't let any excess feed remain in the tank...scoop it out with
a net and leave them alone for a while with all the oxygen you can get into
their tank...I guess you have them in a fairly small trough or something
like that so that you can monitor them?
I know I was very excited and paced around like an expecting father when I
got my first batch of Tilapia. Two of my four children were born at home,
so I know very well how this feels...
Animal husbandry...is somehow biological and spiritual all at the same
time..
It is Joy!
Even if these fish die (or "Eat the Big Chalupa", as I say), you can count
yourself among the progressive fish farmers. Only those farmers who have
lost a few bazillion fish and who still keep on keeping on can call
themselves progressive fish farmers!
Ted.
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Subject: Re: Got Fish
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:20:12 EDT
In a message dated 4/9/99 8:40:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ground@thrifty.net writes:
<<
Even if these fish die (or "Eat the Big Chalupa", as I say), you can count
yourself among the progressive fish farmers. Only those farmers who have
lost a few bazillion fish and who still keep on keeping on can call
themselves progressive fish farmers!
Ted.
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Subject: Re: Tilapia Feed
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:06:06 -0500
The Protein is vegetable (corn and oil extracted soy meal).
I checked the bags today and there's no address or phone number. I
suspect it's custom processed for the co-op. All it said was SF Services
and Clover Fish feed with a leaf logo picture. The contents label wa
sewn onto the top of the bag and gave the suggested feeding rates and
contents.
I'll ask at the co-op tomorrow for more info.
For anyone interested, I've had equipment shipped pretty cheaply by
Roadway trucking company and I could probably persuade them to ship a
pallet to you that way. 1 pallet = 3000 lb. Shipped that way, the cost
wouldn't be but about .04/lb. ($125/pallet) anywhere in the continental
US.
Jim
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Subject: [Fwd: Aquaponics Information]
From: Dave Miller
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:11:27 -0400
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Dave
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A father of 2 cockatiels
An organic farmer
A veggie drummer/keyboardist
From: CResella
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:15:23 EDT
Subject: Aquaponics Information
Reply-To: CResella
Sender: owner-hydrolist@abyss.viasub.net
I hope you can help me!!!! I am looking for information regarding an
aquaponics system for my school. I need to purchase a system by May 15th or
I lose my grant. Please send me information or other leads I may contact
ASAP.
Thank you,
C.Resella
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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