Aquaponics Digest - Fri 07/30/99
Message 1: FREE Plans and DOCU's
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 2: Re: Message length
from bkrohr@northnet.org (Bruce D. Rohr)
Message 3: Greenhouse plans
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 4: Re: SGVGA Meeting
from "grizzly"
Message 5: Fishfried
from Bagelhole1
Message 6: Re: Fishfried Panic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 7: Re: Fishfried Panic
from Bagelhole1
Message 8: Re: Greenhouse plans
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 9: Re: Greenhouse plans
from Mike Strates
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Subject: FREE Plans and DOCU's
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:49:09 +0100
Hi folks...
Its been a long time recovering from my car accident. To all who wrote
me off line Thanks!! Is Uwe off for summer, or how are you coping
compadre? My back still hurts sometimes, but Im fine generally..
For those who need figures in diagrams and always gladly FREE...
check this out for greenhouse plans with BOM and measurements...
http://forums.cosmoaccess.net/forum/survival/prep/green.htm
To Bagelhole.... there is no rush to Aquaponics, (listen to these
people..!!, theyre good folks... :) ) and hey, ( without getting
religious here, If there is a GOD, I dont think he would cause us to
starve out over some dumb mistake we did, programming our computer chips
wrong, ) prepare man , but dont panic, (first rule). Nature (AND
CERTAINLY NOT AQUAPONICS) cannot be rushed...(after all, the Almighty is
the Master Aquaponiker, who created the all those little itsy bitsy
microorganisms down to the microscopic level for these complex
biosystems to regulate itself. And hey, wouldnt it be great to just
pull the plug and start all over, a la little house and the prairie?
Let me quit joking.. if you need answers NOW.. start with the
agricultural extension offices, down to your worms and crickets (which I
do too) check out
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?MENU_FA
there are many other such pages on most extension sites... where this
group really fires is when you ask really specific questions.. (Ive been
there..)
Ive downloaded tons of PDF files from other sites too, so just plug in
extensiion offices in a search and look what comes up!!
THAT was to me the fastest way to start up in terms of documentation.
When you are setup, youll find many will help to fine tune your
operation answering your specific question.. Dont feel daunted by the
response level, each group has its pulse...
Good luck with your systems...
Welcome aboard..
Mike.
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Subject: Re: Message length
From: bkrohr@northnet.org (Bruce D. Rohr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:56:17 -0400
Paula, Please remove my name at least for now from your list serv. I may
try it again when I get back to school as it may be a good reference for
students when looking for info on a topic.
Thanks,
Bruce
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Subject: Greenhouse plans
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:11:14 -0400
David,
Nice list of plans. Here's another list:
http://www.h2othouse.com/html/plans.html
Be sure to look at the ones from Mississippi if you want larger
greenhouses. The Victorian model is beautiful too.
Adriana
> Below is a small list of URL's that may give you all some ideas about
> building the greenhouse structures yourselves and saving some of that
> precious money.
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Subject: Re: SGVGA Meeting
From: "grizzly"
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:15:29 -0400
Please place me on your list.Thanks Griz
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Subject: Fishfried
From: Bagelhole1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:53:35 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/99 6:53:50 AM, dreadlox@cwjamaica.com writes:
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Dear Mike,
thanks for your amusing and helpful e-mail. I got a lot of good
info from the url you posted. Though I thing God (or the stars) would do a
thing like y2k because of its heavy irony. Though people can survive under
the most horrific conditions (Yugoslavia, Ruanda, etc), I still feel
compelled to be getting this ready for 1/1/2000.
I agree, that panic is never a good response. One of my motto's is no
matter what, don't panic! Now, I am deeply committed to building this thing,
having gone into it with way too little knowledge, thinking idiotically, that
if might be simple. But there is no turning back now. I'm hoping I can find a
decent solar pump that will be strong enough to pump the fishwater through
about 20 6 and 1/2' 1/2" tubes all connected to the plants (vertical) and
back into the fishwater. Buy the heavy plastic to cover the trenches. And
then buy the tilapia soon enough to grow them big enough to eat by 2000. I am
good with pressure and stress, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Fishfried,
Tom O
(bagelhole1)
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:25:34 -0400
Tom,
A little stress to move plans along is good but chaos is not. You can
always phase in your plans to avoid it:
Phase 1 - hydroponic production beds. Quickest may be the dishpan
system shown in last month's growing edge. Then you could be assured of
having food on the table on 1/1/2000.
Phase 2 - integrate the fish component, upgrade growing system to gravel
beds.
This is not simple but it's fun, once you get the bug you just have to
keep on going.
Adriana
> I agree, that panic is never a good response. One of my motto's is no
> matter what, don't panic! Now, I am deeply committed to building this thing,
> having gone into it with way too little knowledge, thinking idiotically, that
> if might be simple.
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: Bagelhole1
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:46:54 EDT
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Dear Adriana,
Always appreciate your generous comments. I have just finished
shoring up the sides and middle walkway for the fish, about 22'x 7' with a 2'
middle walkway that spans the raceway/trench (from 2' to 3' deep) and the
framing with glass door at each end. Over is bent conduit (found in the
street) every 3 or so feet attached to the back fence. I need to round the
corners of the trench, and slant the floor to the lowpoint where the solar
pump and battery will go.
Have contrived a vertical growing scheme out of 2 liter plastic pop
bottles, cut off at the ends and stuck together with the bottle necks to the
bottom. To hold it upright have fastened 3 loops of wire at bottom, middle
and top held by 3 strings to be fastened to the top structures and suspended.
The tube should pass thru the middle, with perforation where the water will
contact the roots. There should be room for the water to then pass thru
outside the tube back into the fishwater, which it is suspended over.
I think I'll start the plants at the bottom and add every 2 weeks more
about 15'' above. I'm not sure if I'll need perlite or some such thing to
anchor the roots. I need to find the right tubing, the right solar pump and
battery, the right heavy plastic to cover the trenches, and clear plastic to
cover the greenhouse.
Finally, I'll need to buy the fish, fishfood, and maybe some monitoring
devices, a timer for the pump, get my seedlings prepared. I hope that's it.
The city of Oakland is sending over some people from the park and rec. to
look at it, because, you probably know, I am hoping to be a model of low-cost
aquaponics so that others will do it everywhere (schools, institutions, and
individuals) so that we can start creating community food security,
self-reliance, cheap quality protein sources and all that good stuff, with
y2k being the spur. Does it all make sense?
Love ya all,
Tom O (bagelhole1)
http://bagelhole.hypermart.net
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Subject: Re: Greenhouse plans
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:30:25 -0500
Those plans from Mississippi State are very nice. I've built most of the
greenhouses
they have plans for over the years. The gothic arch and the tri-penta are very
simple and work well for a first project. The tri-penta can also be built using
stove bolts and conduit with only a hand drill if you want one which can be
disassembled and moved easily. I know of 2 examples where people use that
set-up at
apartments. With permission from the landlord, that is...
I'd be glad to pick up extra copies and send them to people on list if needed.
Jim
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Subject: Re: Greenhouse plans
From: Mike Strates
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:39:39 +1000
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 09:30:25PM -0500, Jim Sealy Jr. wrote:
> Those plans from Mississippi State are very nice. I've built most of the
> greenhouses
Hmm... I made my greenhouse using no plans, $60.00 of clear plastic, and
$50 worth of timber. Still standing to this day.... for just $110.
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Mike "Skyfox" Strates , (011) 613-9440-5778
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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