Aquaponics Digest - <Thu 11/04/99/title> </head> <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#66FF99" link="#0000FF" vlink="#551A8B" alink="#FF0000"> <center><img SRC="bl_bar.gif" height=7 width=500><BR> <TABLE BORDER=1> <TR> <TD WIDTH="700" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> <P><CENTER> <TABLE> <TR> <TD> <CENTER><H1>Aquaponics Digest - Thu 11/04/99</H1></CENTER> <PRE>  Message 1: Re: Afidz? from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Message 2: Re: Pyrethrins & Cinnamite from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Message 3: Re: Pyrethrins & Cinnamite from S & S Aqua Farm Message 4: Afidz? from PORTWOODGARDENS@cs.com Message 5: Re: Afidz? from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Message 6: Re: Afidz? from PWGARDENS Message 7: Re: Magnetic Fields from "TGTX" Message 8: He he hi... from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett) Message 9: Magnetic Personalities!!! from Bill Message 10: Re: Magnetic Fields from mmiller@pcsia.com .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 1 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Afidz? From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:56:15 -0700 No, they're called something else. It's in the hydrogardens catalog. But after suggesting that, I remembered they were for whiteflies. Jewel ----- Original Message ----- From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Afidz? > Jewel, > What variety of wasps are you referring to? I've tried trichogramma > wasps but they are for armyworms and cut worms. Is there another one? > I'm not spending any more $ on beneficials until I have my attractant > border built up really well. > Adriana > > > Adrianna, have you tried those "no seeum" wasps I've heard about? .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 2 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Pyrethrins & Cinnamite From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:06:08 -0700 What about the Cinnimite Paula? Jewel ----- Original Message ----- From: S & S Aqua Farm To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Pyrethrins & Cinnamite > I wanted to repost these messages from Gordon so that everyone is reminded > of the dangers/problems associated with some methods of insect control. > What might be acceptable to an hydroponic grower, is not necessarily > applicable in an aquaponics systems without consequences. Didn't want to .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 3 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Pyrethrins & Cinnamite From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:19:00 -0600 At 04:06 PM 11/04/1999 -0700, you wrote: >What about the Cinnimite Paula? >Jewel >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:34:08 -0600 >From: Gordon Watkins <gwatkins@jasper.yournet.com> >Subject: Re: Cinnamite >The product safety data indicates, "This product may be toxic to fish." > > Gordon Watkins > >Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote: > >> Has anybody tried Cinnamite for control of aphids and mites? see >> http://www.mycotech.com/new/. It's made by Mycotech, the company that >> makes Botanigard. The company literature looks promising. S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 4 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Afidz? From: PORTWOODGARDENS@cs.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:25:05 EST For those of you looking for something to control those little creatures you may want to check out AZATIN XL. It is a insect growth regulator made from the neem tree. I have a bottle and just sprayed with it yesterday. Hydrogardens sells it--$150 per Qt. Exspensive stuff but it is consentrated - a Quart will make about 200 gallons of spray. It is made by OLYMPIC Horticultural Products http://www.hortnet.com/olympic/azatinXLKey.html marlan .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 5 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Afidz? From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:38:42 -0700 Thanks marlan, how did it work? Jewel ----- Original Message ----- From: <PORTWOODGARDENS@cs.com> To: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Afidz? > For those of you looking for something to control those little creatures you > may want to check out AZATIN XL. It is a insect growth regulator made from > the neem tree. I have a bottle and just sprayed with it yesterday. > Hydrogardens sells it--$150 per Qt. Exspensive stuff but it is consentrated > - a Quart will make about 200 gallons of spray. > It is made by OLYMPIC Horticultural Products > http://www.hortnet.com/olympic/azatinXLKey.html > > marlan .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 6 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Afidz? From: PWGARDENS Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:11:11 EST Hi Jewel, I won't know how it worked for a couple of days. It takes a little while to stop the growth cycles of the insects. Marlan .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 7 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields From: "TGTX" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:49:18 -0600 Marc wrote: > Several schemes immediately pop into my mind. > > Is it using feedback from a radiated field to create > rotating synthetic apertures and automatically adjusting the > standing wave ratio so maximum power transfer may be > obtained by satisfying the complex conjugate matching of > generator and load? This scheme could also lend itself to > detect surrounding gradients in the nutrient solution but > would require a range minimum gating to preclude aliasing > and the associated false inputs to the feedback loop. > > Is it a resonant parallel LC circuit with a parallel > resistive element such as a RN100 style MIL STD from, say > CADDOCK?, utilizing eutectic bonding with a 60 to 100 mil > FRN substrate? The overdamped resonating element could be > driven by an integrated circuit non-symmetrical free running > oscillator such as the NE555 with a non-symmetrical duty > cycle also if another 555 is used to phase modulate the > gating with a periodic ramp. The FMR ramping could be used > to detect velocity changes but would suffer range > ambiguities but a heuristic approach could define operation > limits and as long as the boundaries of the control arena > were not violated UNDER a certain limit an increase that > could lead to a phase change could be controlled with this > scheme. > > Certainly it could align the various molecules with a very > high magnetic gradient and give an RF pulse of, let's say, a > few milliseconds so as to measure the precession of the > molecules sensitive to the frequency of the RF pulse. This > technology was common in the late 70's. The noise threshold > or baseline could be a problem but with the new developments > in digital signal processing AND low noise MMIC's the state > of the molecules could be determined and the magnetic field > could be modulated between sensor scans until the desired > state of charge in the water is achieved Marc, I can only hope that you, Marc.. of all people... are not hyper-sensitive or violently allergic to the following viscious, unfriendly, unobjective attack and the profoundly negative, derisive, back stabbing, shoot you in the back blurb, which up until recently might have passed for common, everyday banter, discussion, journalistic debate, and social parlance, (but.... who can tell when the long standing paradigm of meaning and reason are being de-constructed, in which the verb "said" becomes rationalized as tacit approval, while the verb "claims" becomes..... the very heart of darkness...) So...venturing far out there on the cybersocial limb...and taking a grave risk ....I must say...."Whoa There, Marc, Hold the Phone". Anyway..you know this post up there ^ of yours was kinda like drinkin' water out of a firehose. You..... Radio Shack Cowboy! But I like the reference to the heuristic approach, since that is what this discussion group is all about, so we must press on. Since I don't have a string of PhDs and apparently can't tell bad science from TRUE SCIENCE, or from other excavations in the ground, could you jus' 'splain some of that there lingo to this old fool on the hill? For example, could you hold forth on the subtle nuances of rotating synthetic apertures? Does that have anything to do with microwave klystrons or polarized magnetic fields or something? Carrier waves? Electromagnetic resonant cavities? And what about this eutectic bonding stuff you're ranting about, old man? Now, are you talkin' about Glauber salts doin' funny (Gibb's free energy) phase change things which become even more peculiar under some kinda electric field, (like a capacitor or cappatery) or are you talkin about some kinda macroscopic quantum effect...such as the Casimir effect or the like.....that only you and a handful of Coloradoans know about...and just won't tell us directly without a great deal of hand waving, bribing, and other rude gestures on our part? When you refer to measuring the procession of molecules sensitive to RF frequency, are you talkin' about NUCLEAR MAGNETIC RESONANCE, or somethin' technical like that? Or are you talking about the surface effect that calcium carbonate colloids and montmorillonite colloids might experience when subjected to intense magnetic fields/ flux lines parallel to hydraulic flow in pipes, such that the altered zeta potential of the colloids passing by.... thereafter alter the process of chemical precipitation of calcium carbonate, changing the kinetics and reversability/equilibrium balance and crystallization rates to the point that scale build up in pipes and hot water heaters are significantly altered? So that we all ought to all go out and buy a GMX magnetic water conditioner? Or not? Just curious. Ted .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 8 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: He he hi... From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:50:34 +0000 Smile a while guys.... Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant?? I'm halfway through my fish burger and I realize, Oh my G-d....I could be eating a slow learner!! -Lynda Montgomery .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 9 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Magnetic Personalities!!! From: Bill Date: 4 Nov 99 21:32:07 PST Marc wrote: > Several schemes immediately pop into my mind. >>non-symmetrical free running > oscillator such as the NE555 with a non-symmetrical duty > cycle also if another 555 is used to phase modulate Marc, I can only hope that you, Marc.. of all people... are not hyper-sensitive= Just curious. Ted Cool. Could you use a 556, or would discrete 555's be required? This may help the bug problem. What sort of xducer would be appropriate? And what sonic range parameter? This shows promise! And anyway, It'd be fun! Bill .------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------. | Message 10 | '------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------' Subject: Re: Magnetic Fields From: mmiller@pcsia.com Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:19:41 -0600 Ted, Marc has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek most probably to make a point and who knows - maybe a few bucks in the process. Marc, been to any venture capitalist yet with this? They are buying most anything these days. Get the word Internet in there somewhere and go for it. ;>) Mike Miller At 20:49 04-11-99 -0600, you wrote: >Marc wrote: > >> Several schemes immediately pop into my mind. >> >> Is it using feedback from a radiated field to create >> rotating synthetic apertures and automatically adjusting the >> standing wave ratio so maximum power transfer may be >> obtained by satisfying the complex conjugate matching of >> generator and load? This scheme could also lend itself to >> detect surrounding gradients in the nutrient solution but >> would require a range minimum gating to preclude aliasing >> and the associated false inputs to the feedback loop. >> >> Is it a resonant parallel LC circuit with a parallel >> resistive element such as a RN100 style MIL STD from, say >> CADDOCK?, utilizing eutectic bonding with a 60 to 100 mil >> FRN substrate? The overdamped resonating element could be >> driven by an integrated circuit non-symmetrical free running >> oscillator such as the NE555 with a non-symmetrical duty >> cycle also if another 555 is used to phase modulate the >> gating with a periodic ramp. The FMR ramping could be used >> to detect velocity changes but would suffer range >> ambiguities but a heuristic approach could define operation >> limits and as long as the boundaries of the control arena >> were not violated UNDER a certain limit an increase that >> could lead to a phase change could be controlled with this >> scheme. >> >> Certainly it could align the various molecules with a very >> high magnetic gradient and give an RF pulse of, let's say, a >> few milliseconds so as to measure the precession of the >> molecules sensitive to the frequency of the RF pulse. This >> technology was common in the late 70's. The noise threshold >> or baseline could be a problem but with the new developments >> in digital signal processing AND low noise MMIC's the state >> of the molecules could be determined and the magnetic field >> could be modulated between sensor scans until the desired >> state of charge in the water is achieved > >Marc, > >I can only hope that you, Marc.. of all people... are not hyper-sensitive or >violently allergic to the following viscious, unfriendly, unobjective attack >and the profoundly negative, derisive, back stabbing, shoot you in the back >blurb, which up until recently might have passed for common, everyday >banter, discussion, journalistic debate, and social parlance, (but.... who >can tell when the long standing paradigm of meaning and reason are being >de-constructed, in which the verb "said" becomes rationalized as tacit >approval, while the verb "claims" becomes..... the very heart of >darkness...) > >So...venturing far out there on the cybersocial limb...and taking a grave >risk ....I must say...."Whoa There, Marc, Hold the Phone". > >Anyway..you know this post up there ^ of yours was kinda like drinkin' water >out of a firehose. You..... Radio Shack Cowboy! But I like the reference >to the heuristic approach, since that is what this discussion group is all >about, so we must press on. > >Since I don't have a string of PhDs and apparently can't tell bad science >from TRUE SCIENCE, or from other excavations in the ground, could you jus' >'splain some of that there lingo to this old fool on the hill? > >For example, could you hold forth on the subtle nuances of rotating >synthetic apertures? >Does that have anything to do with microwave klystrons or polarized magnetic >fields or something? Carrier waves? Electromagnetic resonant cavities? > >And what about this eutectic bonding stuff you're ranting about, old man? >Now, are you talkin' about Glauber salts doin' funny (Gibb's free energy) >phase change things which become even more peculiar under some kinda >electric field, (like a capacitor or cappatery) or are you talkin about some >kinda macroscopic quantum effect...such as the Casimir effect or the >like.....that only you and a handful of Coloradoans know about...and just >won't tell us directly without a great deal of hand waving, bribing, and >other rude gestures on our part? > >When you refer to measuring the procession of molecules sensitive to RF >frequency, are you talkin' about NUCLEAR MAGNETIC RESONANCE, or somethin' >technical like that? Or are you talking about the surface effect that >calcium carbonate colloids and montmorillonite colloids might experience >when subjected to intense magnetic fields/ flux lines parallel to hydraulic >flow in pipes, such that the altered zeta potential of the colloids passing >by.... thereafter alter the process of chemical precipitation of calcium >carbonate, changing the kinetics and reversability/equilibrium balance and >crystallization rates to the point that scale build up in pipes and hot >water heaters are significantly altered? So that we all ought to all go out >and buy a GMX magnetic water conditioner? > >Or not? > >Just curious. > >Ted  </PRE></TD> </TR> </TABLE></CENTER> <P></TD> </TR> </TABLE><A HREF="http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/199911.html"> <IMG SRC="backbut.gif" WIDTH=101 HEIGHT=51 BORDER=0 ALT="Back to Index"></A><IMG SRC="http://www.i55mall.com/cgi-sys/Count.cgi?df=gembilt-aquaponics.html" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1 BORDER=0> </center> </body> </html>