Aquaponics Digest - Sat 02/10/01
Message 1: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
from "TGTX"
Message 2: Re: Home made Air blower
from "TGTX"
Message 3: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
from Jim S
Message 4: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
from "TGTX"
Message 5: Re: Getting started
from Jim S
Message 6: Ornamental Grasses as an Aquaponic$ Crop
from "TGTX"
Message 7: flat fan spray nozzles
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re: Water Question
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 9: Re: Aqua Max
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 10: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: Getting started
from fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 13: Re: Getting started
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: Home made Air blower
from fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 15: V*rus possibility?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 16: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
from "Bennett"
Message 17: Re: virus or what
from fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 18: Re: V*rus possibility?
from "Paul F. Beglane"
Message 19: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
from CAVM@aol.com
Message 20: Re: Water Question
from wylie bass
Message 21: Re: V*rus possibility?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 22: Fwd. Azolla in the Biology Lab: A Good Source of Prokaryotic
Cyanobacteria
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 23: Re: V*rus possibility?
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 24: Re: V*rus possibility?
from Jim S
Message 25: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
from "Bennett"
Message 26: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
from CAVM@aol.com
Message 27: Re: V*rus possibility?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 28: Re: Ornamental Grasses as an Aquaponic$ Crop
from "TGTX"
Message 29: Re: Aqua Max
from Bertmcl@aol.com
Message 30: worms as feed and solids removal
from bberry
Message 31: Re: worms as feed and solids removal
from CAVM@aol.com
Message 32: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
from Michael Olson
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Subject: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:51:35 -0600
Sorry to pipe up here guys on a subject that I am only starting to learn
more about, but I am a little confused, as usual....
So, Bennett, what have you got in mind? You want to anaerobically digest
something, then aerobically compost it after that?
Or, better, you want to do both in parallel, using the aerobic compost
process to provide required heat for the anaerobic process, but the 2
processes are not in sequence, right?
'splain it to me better.
Just curious.
Ted
> So....does that mean "Yes"?
>
> > << Do you know if the final effluent, after it has been fermented
through
> this
> > bio-digester, will still compost aerobically?
> > D. >>
> >
> > An interesting part of this particular detail is that the heat from the
> > compost can be recycled to keep the digester warm or for other purposes
> by
> > using a simple heat exchanger in the compost pile.
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Subject: Re: Home made Air blower
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:55:37 -0600
Bruce, your suggestion is intriguing....Good Idea....Way to Be....
How many cfm you think is generated with a recycled "smog pump"? I'll be
visiting the junk yard soon, so thanks.
Ted
>A smog pump is used on cars to control air pollution .I think that they
>are required on all cars and trucks now in at least the US and CANADA
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Subject: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
From: Jim S
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:04:38 -0600
I've been unusually quiet lately due to what my Dr. refers to as being
to tough to die, and too hard headed to get well..
Trust me, sometimes trying to just work through being sick and ignoring
it will only end you up in hospital.. Seven weeks of being miserable
with what turned out to be a bad bacterial infection it only took a week
to fix after I finally got goaded into a trip to a Dr. All those "I told
you so's" are tough....
Jim
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Subject: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:01:46 -0600
Hey, Mr. Jim, it is great to hear from you.....knew you were tough as a
boot, but didn't know you were sick.....sounds like you're better.
Let me know how you're doin'
I'm going to San Antonio this morning to watch my boy play basketball for
3rd place in the State tournament.....Go Panthers!!! but I'll be back in
the saddle later today.
Take care, compadre...get some R & R....everybody needs some on a routine
basis..
Ted
> I've been unusually quiet lately due to what my Dr. refers to as being
> to tough to die, and too hard headed to get well..
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: Jim S
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:14:09 -0600
Quick note from someone who's been there: Your catfish will love you for
stocking them with hybrid bream, They're Yummy!, though expensive
catfish feed.
Seriously, you'll need to grow out the bream to approx. 4" before
mixing them with grown cats, or stock them all together as fingerlings,
or grow them out in net cages which is much easier at harvest time with
mixed cultures.
Couple of questions: How heavily do you intend to stock these ponds?
This will determine how practical aquaponics will be for you. You'll
need comparable feed loads to the usual tank based systems to get your
nutrient levels up high enough to not starve your plants. If you raise
stocking levels up to those comparable to the tank based Aquaponics
systems normally associated with aquaponics, have you considered just
how much feed and aeration you're going to need? I'd love to see the
solar array running that set of pumps. Since we normally use 90+ HP
diesel or propane engines for the aeration systems down here in catfish
ponds, you'll be getting into some serious photovoltaics... You'll also
need proportionately large feeders. Most common commercial feeders are
driven off of tractor PTOs, while most of the solar deer feeders
wouldn't support a 1000 gallon tank of bream at intensive stocking
levels.. Just some things to think about.. If you are thinking on that
sort of scale, I'd really love to see you get it going! Should be an
impressive system.
Jim
Michael Kline wrote:
>
> I have 4 ½ acre ponds, two of which I am in the process of building 12x48' greenhouses next
to for experimentation in aquaponics.
Currently the ponds are still (not stagnant) and I am placing solar
operated pumps for waterfall aeration. I also plan on constructing a
solar operated feeding system for the fish and would like info on
feeding times, amounts, etc. The system I envision will operate
similarly to a deer feeder. I also have ducks (wild and domestic) which
visit the ponds, as well as a small amount of goats and cows. Any
problems here?
>
> I am looking at Tilapia, Bluegill and/or Catfish for the ponds, as well as any maintenance
type species for algae, mosquito, or other type control. Any suggestion
or experiences here?
>
> Any experience on raising two or more species in the same pond? Is it advisable/successful?
>
> I have several tons of questions and am doing as much reading as possible and have been
utilizing information from my local extension service as well as the
extension offices of
several other states. But I find the most valued information from
experienced persons such as
those which frequent this SIG list.
>
> Any/all comments suggestions/contact are greatly appreciated and will be explored.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MJKI
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Subject: Ornamental Grasses as an Aquaponic$ Crop
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:43:45 -0600
>From Craig Wallin's Book, "Backyard Cash Crops" we read:
"The ornamental grasses are enjoying a well-deserved revival in popularity
today. Landscape designers are re-discovering them and nurseries are
stocking a great diversity of plants and seeds. These undemanding
perennials add their striking form and color to the landscape for much
longer than flowers, some even lasting through the winter dormant season."
" Pampas grass, the "queen of ornamental grasses" is what most people
immediately think of when ornamental grasses are mentioned. Yet there are
dozens of other ornamental grasses, most of them hardy in the North. In
addition to the perennial grasses, there are about 25 annuals which are
grown from seed and have decorative flowers that can be dried for
boquets....."
"The perennial grasses are easy to grow and maintain, and are bothered by
few insects or diseases. You can propagate most of them by dividing the
root clump as it matures and enlarges. Most ornamental grasses fall into
one of these groups, determined by height:"
"Large Grasses - Eulalia Grass (also called Silver Banner Grass), Japanese
Silver Grass, Maiden Grass, Silver Feather Grass, Zebra Grass, Porcupine
Grass, Variegated Cord Grass, Plume Grass, Purple Moor Grass, Giant Reed.
Medium Grasses- Fountain Grass & Crimson Fountain Grass, Feather Reed Grass,
Blue Lyme Grass, Northern Sea Oats, Tufted Hair Grass, Ribbon Grass, Switch
Grass.
Short Grasses- Blue Fescue, Blue Oat Grass, Bulbous Oat Grass.
Water Garden Grasses- Golden Foxtail, Sedge, Job's Tears, Velvet Grass,
Zebra Grass, Ribbon Grass.
Consider these as potential Aquaponic Cash Crops in your Market.....
Check it out. I am..
Ted.
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Subject: flat fan spray nozzles
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:02:07 -0600
Hi All ( & especially Ron Polka of SW Technology Devel. Inst.),
I'm still fighting water clarity but not DO anymore. I bought a 1/20 hp in-
tank aerator that I'm using in one of my tanks. I have brought the DO from
3.3 - 3.6 to 5.4 ppm using this small aerator.
I just, today, ordered the "snap-on swivel plastic flat fan spray nozzles"
that you suggested. Just as soon as I get them I will put them into use. I
will then try them with and w/o the aerator and report the results to the
list. Should be interesting.
Take care and thanks for the info.............Steve
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Subject: Re: Water Question
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:06:50 -0600
Thanks Ken,
I'm still shopping for a 12 v aerator. Would you include the address where I
could reach these people?
Thanks.....Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "KenHale"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Water Question
You can get a 1/20 hp in tank aerator from Boatcycle (2001 prices) for
$97.95 or less. 800/333-9154
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Water Question
> Something got lost in the message somehow. The $109 was for a 1/20th hp
> in-tank aerator. This was from Ken's Fish Farm in Alapaha, GA. I was
simply
> saying that I found other 1/20 hp in-tank aerators for over $300. I've
been
> doing business with Ken for over 3 years and find him to be very reputable
> and he & his staff are always very courteous. Hey, what do you expect?
He's
> a fellow Georgia boy. (Nice guy.....like me!!)
>
> (Paula, would you mind if I put in Ken's phone # and web page? He is an
> incredible person. The creator of the Georgia Giant Hybrid Bluegills which
I
> will be stocking my pond with this spring.)
>
> The $335 (I think.) was just simply stating the cost of the air blower.
>
> Sorry for any confusion.......Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Olson"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Water Question
>
>
> I inferred from the text that Steve's purchase ($109)
> was for a 1/20th HP blower while Dr. Jim's price
> ($355)from Aquatic Ecosystems was for a 1 HP blower.
> Don't know whether I am correct or not...
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: Aqua Max
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:15:30 -0600
Hey Bert,
Thanks a lot. I thought it was you, but I wasn't sure. I love the new feed
and so do my fishes.
SS
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Aqua Max
Steve,
I sent it to you and have been in contact with Devon, I will give him the
800
number. take care and don't work too hard.
Bert
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Subject: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:17:44 -0600
Get Well Jim,
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim S"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:04 AM
Subject: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
I've been unusually quiet lately due to what my Dr. refers to as being
to tough to die, and too hard headed to get well..
Trust me, sometimes trying to just work through being sick and ignoring
it will only end you up in hospital.. Seven weeks of being miserable
with what turned out to be a bad bacterial infection it only took a week
to fix after I finally got goaded into a trip to a Dr. All those "I told
you so's" are tough....
Jim
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Subject: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:21:49 -0600
SAN ANTONIO!!
I love San Antonio!! What a beautiful place. 3-corners: San Antonio, San
Marcos & Austin!! Just doesn't get any prettier than that. Wildflowers,
bluebonnets, etc.
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
Hey, Mr. Jim, it is great to hear from you.....knew you were tough as a
boot, but didn't know you were sick.....sounds like you're better.
Let me know how you're doin'
I'm going to San Antonio this morning to watch my boy play basketball for
3rd place in the State tournament.....Go Panthers!!! but I'll be back in
the saddle later today.
Take care, compadre...get some R & R....everybody needs some on a routine
basis..
Ted
> I've been unusually quiet lately due to what my Dr. refers to as being
> to tough to die, and too hard headed to get well..
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:22:49 -0600 (CST)
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The Chinese fertilize their fish ponds by raising hogs on the banks of
the pond so the pig manure runs into the water .The pond is stocked with
a variety of carp. Common, Bighead, etc.etc.
All so Indian Runner Ducks are pened at the the pond in large numbers.
This is a breed of duck that produce large amounts of large green
shelled eggs for a long time like the leg horn chicken .You eat the
pork , eggs , the skinny ducks and the five or six varieties of fish
that have grown to marketable size .Now the Chinese have been doing this
from long before written history so we know it works!
You should use filter feeding fish like T. Nicotia ,Big head carp and
spoonbill cats in your specie mix
You could place your green house at a Dairy or feed lot manure lagoon
or vice or versa and have a nice fertilizer source to grow out even
fruiting crops like tomatoes n melons while cureing a polution problem
and getting more bang for your buck
You can raft your plants on the pond like the Aztecs did and is still
done in parts of Asia
You can use bug lites to feed the fish at night
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:36:46 -0600
Dear MJKI, (a name would be a lot easier)
Since I am "socially insensitive" (Geez, I love that!!), I would suggest the
same thing that Jim suggests.
I have an aquapopnics operation, but I also have a pond operation. And what
Jim says is EXACTLY right. Trust me, I have the best fed catfish in the
western hemisphere. They grew up on a diet of of perch and bluegills.
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim S"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Getting started
Quick note from someone who's been there: Your catfish will love you for
stocking them with hybrid bream, They're Yummy!, though expensive
catfish feed.
Seriously, you'll need to grow out the bream to approx. 4" before
mixing them with grown cats, or stock them all together as fingerlings,
or grow them out in net cages which is much easier at harvest time with
mixed cultures.
Couple of questions: How heavily do you intend to stock these ponds?
This will determine how practical aquaponics will be for you. You'll
need comparable feed loads to the usual tank based systems to get your
nutrient levels up high enough to not starve your plants. If you raise
stocking levels up to those comparable to the tank based Aquaponics
systems normally associated with aquaponics, have you considered just
how much feed and aeration you're going to need? I'd love to see the
solar array running that set of pumps. Since we normally use 90+ HP
diesel or propane engines for the aeration systems down here in catfish
ponds, you'll be getting into some serious photovoltaics... You'll also
need proportionately large feeders. Most common commercial feeders are
driven off of tractor PTOs, while most of the solar deer feeders
wouldn't support a 1000 gallon tank of bream at intensive stocking
levels.. Just some things to think about.. If you are thinking on that
sort of scale, I'd really love to see you get it going! Should be an
impressive system.
Jim
Michael Kline wrote:
>
> I have 4 ½ acre ponds, two of which I am in the process of building 12x48'
greenhouses next
to for experimentation in aquaponics.
Currently the ponds are still (not stagnant) and I am placing solar
operated pumps for waterfall aeration. I also plan on constructing a
solar operated feeding system for the fish and would like info on
feeding times, amounts, etc. The system I envision will operate
similarly to a deer feeder. I also have ducks (wild and domestic) which
visit the ponds, as well as a small amount of goats and cows. Any
problems here?
>
> I am looking at Tilapia, Bluegill and/or Catfish for the ponds, as well as
any maintenance
type species for algae, mosquito, or other type control. Any suggestion
or experiences here?
>
> Any experience on raising two or more species in the same pond? Is it
advisable/successful?
>
> I have several tons of questions and am doing as much reading as possible
and have been
utilizing information from my local extension service as well as the
extension offices of
several other states. But I find the most valued information from
experienced persons such as
those which frequent this SIG list.
>
> Any/all comments suggestions/contact are greatly appreciated and will be
explored.
>
> Thanks.
>
> MJKI
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Subject: Re: Home made Air blower
From: fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:39:40 -0600 (CST)
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I am not sure what you mean buy cfms but the volume of air power is
dependent on the size of the moter that you belt it to. After all the
smog pumps are normally run by a car engine
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Subject: V*rus possibility?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:43:35 -0600
Twice in the last two days I've received a warning from an automated virus
scanner regarding a virus forwarded from a list message. I show no activity
on my messages. Is anyone else getting a warning from their virus scanning
software on aquaponics list messages?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
From: "Bennett"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:44:15 -0500
> So, Bennett, what have you got in mind? You want to anaerobically digest
> something, then aerobically compost it after that?
Yes, and....
>
> Or, better, you want to do both in parallel, using the aerobic compost
> process to provide required heat for the anaerobic process, but the 2
> processes are not in sequence, right?
yes, again.
>
> 'splain it to me better.
>
Am thinking of an on-going thing. Run chicken manure slurry
in one end of the anaerobic digester. The effluent out of the
a.d. then would be drained somewhat and put in a composter
that would provide/help provide heat for the first process. The
liquid drained off would be used to grow duckweed, or something
like that, to feed fish. The composter could also be used to
grow worms for the fish. The gas off the anaerobic digester
would help heat the fish water.
What do you think? Crazy? Somewhat do-able? What?
D.Bennett
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Subject: Re: virus or what
From: fishmanbruce@webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:52:40 -0600 (CST)
HI I found the gottcha thing that was Attached to my out going Emails
and deleted it the Question is did I delete my Email ability with it ?
Bruce
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Subject: Re: V*rus possibility?
From: "Paul F. Beglane"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:56:22 -0800 (PST)
Hi Paula,
Does the scanner give you a name for the virus?
pfb
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Aquaculture Project Manager
Re-Vision House, Inc.
Boston, MA, USA
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Subject: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
From: CAVM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:06:23 EST
Do you have a lot of fresh poultry manure available to you without much cost
in transportation? For example, 75,000 caged layers produce 28,000 cu ft of
gas which is 65% methane in one digester system. Most laying houses have
150,000 layers and many have multiple buildings.
If you mean to put worms in the finished compost, you can do that. But I
would not be thinking of putting worms in active compost since the heat would
be very bad on the worms.
Look at the Texas Tech web page at the work of Dr. Nick Parker. He is doing
just what you suggest only he starts out with cattle manure, goes to
hydroponics, duckweed, algae, aquaculture and then to an indoor wetland all
in his greenhouses. Except he does not use worms that I saw.
Did you know that a worm bed 8' X 30' can take the daily solids from 3500
feeder hogs in a layer 2" deep? The worms in this bed can each this much
each day and, therefore, keep up with the hogs.
Neal Van Milligen
CAVM@AOL.com
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In a message dated 2/10/2001 1:47:28 PM Central Standard Time,
bennett@frognet.net writes:
<<
Am thinking of an on-going thing. Run chicken manure slurry
in one end of the anaerobic digester. The effluent out of the
a.d. then would be drained somewhat and put in a composter
that would provide/help provide heat for the first process. The
liquid drained off would be used to grow duckweed, or something
like that, to feed fish. The composter could also be used to
grow worms for the fish. The gas off the anaerobic digester
would help heat the fish water.
What do you think? Crazy? Somewhat do-able? What?
D.Bennett >>
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Subject: Re: Water Question
From: wylie bass
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:02:18 -0600
Steve,
If you looking for Ken's Fish Farm go to www.kens-fishfarm.com and your
georgia bound. Wylie
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Subject: Re: V*rus possibility?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:35:18 -0600
At 11:56 AM 02/10/2001 -0800, Paul wrote:
>Hi Paula,
> Does the scanner give you a name for the virus?
>pfb
>
>=====
>******************************************
>Paul F. Beglane,
Here's a copy of the message I received:
>From: webmaster@clas.net
>Subject: Non-delivery of virus infected e-mail
>Importance: High
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:26:44 -0600
>
> THE FOLLOWING IS AN AUTOMATED SECURITY ALERT FROM CLAS Net
> ********************
> Please do not reply to this message
> as it was sent from an unattended mailbox.
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Your message was tested prior to delivery and found to contain a
>virus. As a result, it was quarantined and was NOT delivered to
>all of its intended recipients.
>
> From: snsaquasys@townsqr.com
> To: SNIP@clas.net
> Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!
>
>There may have been other recipients.
>
>Please update your virus scanning software and check your file
>attachments before attempting re-delivery. Detailed test results
>follow:
>
>2/10/01 12:26 PM Scan Started STREAM\clasadmin ODS
>2/10/01 12:26 PM Infected STREAM\clasadmin
g:\viruscheck\temp\B0001799059\dwarf4you.exe W32/Hybris.gen@MM (Removable)
>2/10/01 12:26 PM Scan Complete STREAM\clasadmin ODS
>
>For more information, please contact webmaster@clas.net
>
>Clas Computers Inc.
>CLAS Net Internet Services
>http://www.clas.net
Generally, when there has been a virus hit the list, I've received many
warnings from subscriber's virus programs (part of the auto feature that
throws all bounced mail back to me). However, these last two times (same
message, same virus) only this one message has come, and I can't even tie a
particular post to it, much less find anything that looks like this. Just
thought I'd see if anyone else had problems or any ideas.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Fwd. Azolla in the Biology Lab: A Good Source of Prokaryotic
Cyanobacteria
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:37:49 -0600
Saw this several days ago on the OGL list, and thought some of you might be
interested in the site. Paula
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 06:08:35 -0800
From: "Lon J. Rombough"
Subject: Re: Madagascar Rice Revolution
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
January 29, 2001
Azolla in the Biology Lab: A Good Source of Prokaryotic Cyanobacteria
http://daphne.palomar.edu/wayne/plnov98.htm
This site is a great little introduction to the biology of Azolla, one
of the most advanced of the ferns and one of the most economically
important, as it harbors a cyanobacterial colony that is capable of
capturing atmospheric nitrogen for higher plants. Often grown with
rice, the cyanobacter Anabaena increases the fertility of the paddies
at little or no cost. In addition to harboring such a worthwhile
symbiont, Azolla is a fascinating diminutive fern that is
heterosporous, has unique male and female sporocarps and is dioecious
with a complicated life cycle. This short write-up is one of the best
on Azolla -- part of a weekly column at "Wayne's Word" (not world).
The actual title is "A Marriage Between A Fern And A Cyanobacterium."
Site by Wayne Armstrong. (****) -SR
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Subject: Re: V*rus possibility?
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:47:42 -0000
Paula,
Almost certainly a virus though could jsut be rather involved spam. Either
way, it has nothing to do with aquaponics and the attachment should, of
course, not be allowed to run.
For a couple of months, every time I posted a message to this list, I got
sent one of these (same message every time). Was going to mention it but it
stopped a week or so ago. Looked into it briefly but the origin
hahaha@sexyfun.net
appears to be spoofed - didn't follow it any further as it's easy to end up
wasting as much time as actually catching the thing.
Definately being deliberately sent though.
Barry
barrythomas@btinternet.com
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Subject: Re: V*rus possibility?
From: Jim S
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:03:04 -0600
Hi Barry,
I run a few websites and mail lists and what you just described is one
of the signs of being infected by the hybris.b trojan. A rather nasty
little bugger since although it isn't very bad in and of itself, it
opens a gateway for plugins to be secretly downloaded into your computer
which can be deadly. It's not a hoax..
It's pretty easy to be sure it's not on your computer by using the
'Find' function and searching for files containing the word hybris. It
hides copies of itself in .cab and .zip files on your computer so it can
reinstall itself if you remove the base program.
Jim
Farmer/tinkerer by day, webmaster for FrontierStatus.com by night.
(among other things;)
Barry Thomas wrote:
>
> Paula,
>
> Almost certainly a virus though could jsut be rather involved spam. Either
> way, it has nothing to do with aquaponics and the attachment should, of
> course, not be allowed to run.
>
> For a couple of months, every time I posted a message to this list, I got
> sent one of these (same message every time). Was going to mention it but it
> stopped a week or so ago. Looked into it briefly but the origin
> hahaha@sexyfun.net
> appears to be spoofed - didn't follow it any further as it's easy to end up
> wasting as much time as actually catching the thing.
>
> Definately being deliberately sent though.
>
> Barry
> barrythomas@btinternet.com
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Subject: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
From: "Bennett"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:09:41 -0500
> Did you know that a worm bed 8' X 30' can take the daily solids from 3500
> feeder hogs in a layer 2" deep? The worms in this bed can each this much
> each day and, therefore, keep up with the hogs.
>
Wouldn't this be composted solids? They won't consume fresh hog or
chicken manure, will they? I've never seen worms working fresh
chicken manure, only rotted or partially rotted manure.
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Subject: Re: Simplest description of a small anaerobic digester
From: CAVM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:12:11 EST
According to my worm authority in North Carolina, he is feeding fresh
separated solids from a hog farm to his worms in beds as I have described.
He then sells the castings and surplus worms. He has no odor at all,
according to his report.
BTW I have found that separated hog manure solids have little, if any odor.
Apparently the odor stays with the liquid upon separation. That is why our
plan for hog manure treatment includes solid separation upon leaving the hog
building and anaerobic digestion of the liquid fraction. After that the
liquid digestate can be used in a variety of ways. One new option is to
filter out the nutrients or to pull the phosphorus only out.
Fresh chicken manure is different, I agree. But from modern broiler houses
the manure is rarely fresh. Layers are a different situation. I spent this
morning shoveling a ton of broiler litter into a trailer to take to Illinois
State Univ for tests next week. We will be making cattle feed from the
litter with the addition of a small percentage of whole soybeans for fat and
flavor. Although you will often see the cattle licking the ground where the
litter based feed has been dropped even without the soybean additive.
Neal Van Milligen
CAVM@AOL.com
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In a message dated 2/10/2001 5:12:41 PM Central Standard Time,
bennett@frognet.net writes:
<< > Did you know that a worm bed 8' X 30' can take the daily solids from 3500
> feeder hogs in a layer 2" deep? The worms in this bed can each this much
> each day and, therefore, keep up with the hogs.
>
Wouldn't this be composted solids? They won't consume fresh hog or
chicken manure, will they? I've never seen worms working fresh
chicken manure, only rotted or partially rotted manure.
>>
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Subject: Re: V*rus possibility?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:40:13 -0600
At 05:03 PM 02/10/2001 -0600, Jim wrote:
>Hi Barry,
>I run a few websites and mail lists and what you just described is one
>of the signs of being infected by the hybris.b trojan. A rather nasty
>little bugger since although it isn't very bad in and of itself, it
>opens a gateway for plugins to be secretly downloaded into your computer
>which can be deadly. It's not a hoax..
>It's pretty easy to be sure it's not on your computer by using the
>'Find' function and searching for files containing the word hybris. It
>hides copies of itself in .cab and .zip files on your computer so it can
>reinstall itself if you remove the base program.
>Jim
Jim - thanks - I hope everyone will check their files to see where this is
coming from --- it's not mine, but definitely seems to be tied to the list.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Ornamental Grasses as an Aquaponic$ Crop
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:23:21 -0600
More on this subject...
> From Craig Wallin's Book, "Backyard Cash Crops" we read:
"Information Bulletin No. 64 "Ornamental Grasses for the Home and Garden"
from Cornell University, Distribution Center C, 7 Research Park, Ithaca, NY
14850"
"Kurt Bluemel, well-known grower of ornamental grasses, has produced a
spectacular "video dictionary" of 50 of the most popular grasses, including
common and botanical names, USDA hardiness zone, planting time, best uses,
and seasonal changes. It's available in this catalog, listed under "plant
and seed sources."
ORNAMENTAL GRASSES
SEED AND PLANT SOURCES
Kurt Bluemel, Inc.
2740 Greene Lane, Baldwin, MD 21013 (catalog $3)
DiGiorgio Seeds
6011 "N" Street, Omaha, NE 67117 (catalog $2)
Crownsville Nursery
P.O. Box 797, Crownsville, MD 21032 (catalog $2)
Limerock Ornamental Grasses
RD#1 Bfox 111C, Port Matilda, PA 16870 (catalog $3)
Stallings Exotic Nursery
910 Encinitas Blvd., Encinitas, CA 92024 (catalog $3).
Enjoy.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Aqua Max
From: Bertmcl@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:36:55 EST
Thanks Steve, by the way have you checked on the areators in WALMART in
sporting goods?
Bert
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Subject: worms as feed and solids removal
From: bberry
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:06:15 -0800 (PST)
Hi all, my name is Ben Berry and I'm a Urban Planning and Development
student at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. I'm
designing a problem solution for either urban vacant lots or reuse of
abandoned buildings. I'd like to integrate a food and yard waste
vermicomposting system integrated with aquaponics. I'd like to feed to
the worms to the fish. Does anyone know about the nutrient content of
these critters? Also will this unneccessarily increase the solids in the
system? Finally, I've been wondering whether most of you remove your
solids as in the Dr. Rakocy's system or if you let the plants take care of
them as in the S&S system. What are the advantages of each? Thanks for
your time and all the interesting conversations.
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Subject: Re: worms as feed and solids removal
From: CAVM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:50:36 EST
Ben,
I would recommend that you consult with MetroFarm. Mike Olson is an expert
in using city lots for small farm plantings. WWW.Metrofarm.com
Neal Van Milligen
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In a message dated 2/10/2001 10:06:55 PM Central Standard Time,
bberry@usc.edu writes:
<<
Hi all, my name is Ben Berry and I'm a Urban Planning and Development
student at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. I'm
designing a problem solution for either urban vacant lots or reuse of
abandoned buildings. I'd like to integrate a food and yard waste
vermicomposting system integrated with aquaponics. >>
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Subject: Re: So you think you're tougher than a little old bug, eh?
From: Michael Olson
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:37:56 -0800 (PST)
Whatever happened to the Bluebonnet Bowl? Which
corporate behemoth pre-empted the name? Not that I
need an answer, just observing (ranting?)...
--- STEVE SPRING wrote:
> SAN ANTONIO!!
>
> I love San Antonio!! What a beautiful place.
> 3-corners: San Antonio, San
> Marcos & Austin!! Just doesn't get any prettier than
> that. Wildflowers,
> bluebonnets, etc.
>
> SS
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