Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/01/01
Message 1: RV: The language of this list
from "Carlos R. Arano"
Message 2: RE: The language of this list
from "Carlos R. Arano"
Message 3: test
from "Devon Williams"
Message 4: An Introduction- From Steve and Lyn Hurst
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 5: Reminder - List topics
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Red raspberries
from "Douglas J. Peckenpaugh"
Message 7: Fwd. re: deep tanks
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 8: Paulas memory
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 9: Re: Sanitize
from "Michael Kline"
Message 10: Re: Sanitize
from "KenHale"
Message 11: Re: Sanitize
from "Michael Kline"
Message 12: Re: Sanitize
from "KenHale"
Message 13: Re: Sanitize
from "Michael Kline"
Message 14: Re: Paulas memory
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 15: Re: Paulas memory
from "bennett"
Message 16: Organic certification
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 17: Re: test
from laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
| Message 1
Subject: RV: The language of this list
From: "Carlos R. Arano"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:16:25 -0300
Raul:
You are right. Your point is clear and I'm completely agree.
Lets finish now the small incident.
Regards,
Carlos
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: The language of this list
>
>
> > Dear friends:
> >
> > First, excuse me Paula if I'm using the list for subjects out of its
> scope.
> > I can't understand why such a polemic discussion generated by a single
> answer Stan sent to
> > the list in Spanish, just to be kind to Dr. Arano.
> > Instead claiming for the official language of the list (I have never
read
> in the list
> > rules about an official language in it), It would be much better if one
of
> our friends
> > could send a message to Stan telling him to send a double version of the
> message, in
> > Spanish and in English.
> > I seems many of our friends felt offended with that, and I don't see any
> reason for
> > that. It was just a gentility from Stan to Dr. Arano, and to be kind
> with one another is
> > something that makes our world to be good.
> > But, there are some things I must correct here.
> > Spanish IS NOT the official language in South America (from Tierra del
> Fuego to
> > Mexico). It is the official language in some South American Countries
> colonized by
> > Spanish people.
> > Brazil is the largest (at least in extention) country in South America,
> and our official
> > language is Portuguese, a natural consequence of Portuguese
colonization.
> And the
> > Capital of Brazil is Brasília, not Buenos Aires, like many people in USA
> believe.
> > In the Guianas, we have other official languages, like Dutch, English
and
> French.
> > In Paraguay, there are two official languages teached in the schools: -
> Spanish and
> > Guarany.
> > Spanish, as a consequence of Spanish colonization, and Guarany, the
mother
> language of
> > Paraguaian Indians.
> > And these two languages are spoken in Paraguay. They speak Guarany in
a
> larger extension
> > than Spanish.
> > Even the greatest part of the paraguayan songs, are in Guarany.
> > I think I had to say this for things to become quite clear.
> > I am NOT SPEAKING IN THE NAME OF THIS LIST NOR IN THE NAME OF ITS
OWNNERS
> AND ITS
> > PARTICIPANTS, but, at least from my side, Stan and Dr. Arano, please do
> accept the excuses
> > for the incident caused by a kindness.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Raul Vergueiro Martins
> > rvm 'at' sti.com.br
> >
> >
> > "Carlos R. Arano" wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Bill: I am really shocked. Always that I write to this list, I
> do it
> > > respectfully in my poor English. Also, I did this time. I did not
> expect an answer in
> > > Spanish, which if you don't know is the official language of America
> from Tierra del
> > > Fuego to México. Stan was kind in answering my question using my
> native language.
> > > Maybe he shoudn't, but who other fellow could be interested in knowing
> the name in
> > > Spanish of "neem oil" more than an Spanish speaking fellow ? I feel
> bad Bill.
> > > Please you call meCharly
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wjp1816 'at' aol.com
> > > To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:04 PM
> > > Subject: The language of this list
> > > Ok guys what gives. If this to be an aquaponics discussion list
> it should be
> > >
> > > in English -- which if you don't know is the official language
of
> America.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/27/2001 6:49:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > stanclayton 'at' intellisys.net writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > El Nim, conocido también como "margosa", "árbol milagroso" y
> "Neem", es de
> > > > la misma familia de la caoba y del cedro real. Hay mas
información
> sobre el
> > > > árbol en http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4075/Azaind.htm
> > > >
> > > > Buenas suete! Stan
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
| Message 2
Subject: RE: The language of this list
From: "Carlos R. Arano"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:37:42 -0300
Paula:
Thank you.
Really I'm mad always somebody may me think in the famous Bertolt Brecht's
sentence.
Lets continue with aquaponics now.
Regards,
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: S & S Aqua Farm
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: The language of this list
> At 11:06 AM 02/28/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> >Dear friends:
> >
> >First, excuse me Paula if I'm using the list for subjects out of its
scope.
> >I can't understand why such a polemic discussion generated by a single
> answer Stan sent to
> >the list in Spanish, just to be kind to Dr. Arano.
> >Instead claiming for the official language of the list (I have never read
> in the list
> >rules about an official language in it), It would be much better if one
of
> our friends
> >could send a message to Stan telling him to send a double version of the
> message, in
> >Spanish and in English.
>
>
>
> Thanks Raul for the explanations -- our "conversations" with
correspondents
> in South America have often been difficult even when I use some of the
> on-line translating programs, and now I understand why!
>
> Thanks also to everyone who posted their comments. We have no stated
> "official" language for this list. The fact remains that those who post
> will reach the largest percentage of the members of the group by using
> English, as Carlos has done. Believe me, it took some convincing to get
him
> to participate simply because he felt his English was insufficient.
>
> This group has grown from its initial estimate (of potentially 50 members
in
> 1997) to over 400! I don't believe there is a continent that is not
> represented. We have several members who are capable of assisting in
> translating posts, I've found. I don't want to discourage anyone from
> posting their questions. So feel free to post as best you can in English
> (for everyone's benefit), but also don't hesitate to post in whatever
> language you need to in order to get the subject into the group. We'll
find
> someone willing to repost a translation, I'm sure.
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
| Message 3
Subject: test
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 07:23:47 -0500
Hi all, I just switched my membership from the digest version to the true
list version and I wanted to make sure I was getting messages. Can someone
let me know if this went through??? I'd hate to miss out on any hot topics!
Thanks!
Devon
_________________________________________________________________
| Message 4
Subject: An Introduction- From Steve and Lyn Hurst
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:14:15 -0000
Hello to everyone,
I just joined the group about a week ago. Been 'lurking" for the week to
get the feel of things.
It certainly appears to be a very diverse group, from what I have read so
far.
I am British, but live and work in Asia. My chosen home is in the
Philipinnes. It is here that
my Wife and I are setting up an Aquaponics venture in one of the provinces
of Luzon island.
We have been studying the subject for around two years now, and have finaly
entered the building
stage. We will be attempting to adapt some of these systems to a Tropical
Climate.
Once we are finally up and running, we will be sure and let you know how we
are getting along,
especially where, or if ,we have had to make adaptations for the climate.
My comment on the list so far :
Absolutely fascinating. Can 'at' t keep up with the research leads that keep
coming through !
Will be sure and drop a note to the list if I come across anything
interesting.
Steve and Lyn Hurst
( Tibag, Tarlac, Philipinnes )
| Message 5
Subject: Reminder - List topics
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:14:13 -0600
I received a message the other day from a member who's just getting started,
stating the "vast knowledge of the people on the list" could feel quite
intimidating to a "beginner", leaving them hesitant to post questions.
I would like to remind others who are in this position that the list was not
organized to cater to aquaponics professionals or experts only, but rather
to open up discussions on all facets of the various types of systems
possible under the umbrella term of "aquaponics". The information I see,
both on and off-list, reconfirms that there is a tremendous amount of
flexibility in practical applications of aquaponics techniques. Because we
are blessed with quite a bit of expertise in our membership should be even
more incentive to post -- this has not always been available.
That means there is room for discussion of basic as well as technical
information on this list, no one should feel that their posts are too simple
or questions inappropriate.
Of course, when we ALL become "professional" at this, we can create a list
exclusively for "those who know everything" :>) As for me, I'm still
learning.....every day.
Here's a portion of our comments on the list as you should have seen in your
"welcome" message:
-----------------------------------------------------------
All who are interested in learning and sharing information
about this and related topics are invited to participate.
This group, provided by S&S Aqua Farm, will cover any and all aspects of
this exciting subject. We encourage those who have operating systems, are
in the set-up process, those who have a beginning or general interest to
participate.
I. GENERAL DESCRIPTION
The Aquaponics mailing list is a general information exchange forum and
cyber-community of folks who share a common interest in aquaponics and
related subjects. We discuss such topics as general growing system issues,
growing your own food, water conservation and energy systems, agriculture,
food safety and nutrition, environmental issues related to aquaculture and
agriculture, ag technology, plant and aquatic species, etc.
Although the emphasis is on aquaponics, you don't need to have a system yet
to participate - in fact you may be interested because you think you'll be
healthier, because you want to be easier on the environment, you enjoy the
rewards of self sufficiency, or you want to evaluate a lifestyle change.
Whatever your abilities or reasons for being drawn to this list, you are
welcome. Any topic may be discussed. In order to bring the topics into
the areas you want, we encourage everyone to post their queries,
observations, comments and suggestions for how this type integrated system
should, does or might work.
INTRODUCTION
After you feel comfortable with the list, we would like you to introduce
yourselves to the group. A short summary of who you are and what your
interest areas are will help direct the topics to the needs of the group.
--------------------------------------------
So please don't feel shut out because some of the topics are too technical,
the writers' credentials too intimidating, or the system descriptions too
far from what you envision yours to be. Finding ways to incorporate
aquaponics into growing systems in countries with very few resources is as
much a part of this discussion as space-age enhancements for high-tech
systems. Best way to get the topics discussed that you're interested in is
to start the subject yourself. Inquiries are very seldom left hanging.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 6
Subject: Red raspberries
From: "Douglas J. Peckenpaugh"
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:28:26 -0800
The next issue of The Growing Edge (May/June, on newsstands in early
April, going to press next week) will feature a comprehensive discussion
of growing all types of Rubus spp. canes in a greenhouse environment.
Hydroponics is the focus of the article but the techniques could
probably be easily adapted to an aquaponic system.
Doug Peckenpaugh
Editor, The Growing Edge
| Message 7
Subject: Fwd. re: deep tanks
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 12:55:00 -0600
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:50:30 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Paul F. Beglane"
>Subject: re: deep tanks
>To: snsaquasys 'at' townsqr.com
>
> In a well-timed coincidence, I just got back from a
>swim in one of my 6' deep tanks to do a little
>plumbing repair job. This is a first for me, as I
>usually can avoid having to do anything from INSIDE
>the tank. While there, I noted the following, which
>might be useful for those who are considering going
>deep to get the most out of their square footage.
>
> Anything beyond a simple retrieval job may require an
>air source. I snorkeled for a bit, but ended up using
>a 20 ft3 pony bottle and scuba regulator. And how are
>you going to get in and out of the tank? The
>cannonball is probably not the answer to getting in.
>It's the same thing as dynamite fishing to any of the
>poor little buggers at ground zero. Getting out may
>require some thought, especially if your tank is
>thin-walled aluminum.
>
> I wish I had thought to bring a dive camera. Laying
>down on the bottom of the tank and looking up is
>pretty neat. The fish look great in silouette (sp?)
>
>pfb
>
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| Message 8
Subject: Paulas memory
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:18:40 -0500
Paula. Your memory is something else. ....Em
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:38:41 -0600
But according to the Tex. Ag. Dept., you only need a fish farm license for =
redfish or spotted trout.....
>>> MKLINE 'at' dot.state.tx.us 2/28/01 07:59:57 AM >>>
Thanks
>>> ground 'at' thrifty.net 2/27/01 06:32:53 PM >>>
> Did you have to get all of these secondary licenses also ???????????
>
Uh, let's see....a permit for Tilapia and hyacinth from Texas Parks and
Wildlife Department, and a permit from Texas Department of Agriculture for
"fish farming".
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "KenHale"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:17:03 -0600
Michael - thats right. The water hy. are what requires the exotic permit and
inspection by the state. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kline"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Sanitize
But according to the Tex. Ag. Dept., you only need a fish farm license for
redfish or spotted trout.....
>>> MKLINE 'at' dot.state.tx.us 2/28/01 07:59:57 AM >>>
Thanks
>>> ground 'at' thrifty.net 2/27/01 06:32:53 PM >>>
> Did you have to get all of these secondary licenses also ???????????
>
Uh, let's see....a permit for Tilapia and hyacinth from Texas Parks and
Wildlife Department, and a permit from Texas Department of Agriculture for
"fish farming".
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:17:12 -0600
OK, so about $350 total?
>>> kghale 'at' boatcycle.com 3/1/01 03:17:03 PM >>>
Michael - thats right. The water hy. are what requires the exotic permit =
and
inspection by the state. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Kline"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Sanitize
But according to the Tex. Ag. Dept., you only need a fish farm license for
redfish or spotted trout.....
>>> MKLINE 'at' dot.state.tx.us 2/28/01 07:59:57 AM >>>
Thanks
>>> ground 'at' thrifty.net 2/27/01 06:32:53 PM >>>
> Did you have to get all of these secondary licenses also ???????????
>
Uh, let's see....a permit for Tilapia and hyacinth from Texas Parks and
Wildlife Department, and a permit from Texas Department of Agriculture for
"fish farming".
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "KenHale"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:27:20 -0600
$250.00 for the exotic tpw license./first year with $25.00 renewal each
year.TDA license is $200 for 2 years. - Ken
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:29:16 -0600
Hmmmmm, I was just on their web site (TDA) and it said $100. There was an =
aquaculture license and a fish farming license.
>>> kghale 'at' boatcycle.com 3/1/01 03:27:20 PM >>>
$250.00 for the exotic tpw license./first year with $25.00 renewal each
year.TDA license is $200 for 2 years. - Ken
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Paulas memory
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:02:47 -0600
At 03:18 PM 03/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Paula. Your memory is something else. ....Em
Emmett - now you're really going to have the group wondering.....
To clarify - I pulled an older post of Emmett's regarding organic
certification of hydroponics in Florida -- I sent it in response to a
question on the Organic Gardening List -- whether hydroponics could be
organic. So that's the reason for the comment from Em -- just FYI
Thanks, Em....
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Paulas memory
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
> question on the Organic Gardening List -- whether hydroponics could be
> organic.
So....can it? I mean, well, I'm pretty sure it CAN, but is it certifiable?
D.
| Message 16
Subject: Organic certification
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:24:06 -0600
I think it all depends on the certifier. Some are pretty much stuck
on the concept of non-soil based growing being "unnatural" therefore
not certifiable, even though all of the components in the process are
organic...
Find the right certifying agent and you're home free. There have to
be a couple because there are several hydroponic and aquaponic growers
who claim to be certified organic. Now, whether you can get the fish
certified as organic is a whole other story since they are grown in
close quarters. (Mybe you can point out the density of the schools of
fish in the ocean in reponse to that issue).
Now, who has a name of a cooperative certifying agent? Now that
national standards are coming in next year it can be somebody from
across the country if need be rather than one who just covered your
state and their standards.
Adriana
> > question on the Organic Gardening List -- whether hydroponics
could be
> > organic.
> So....can it? I mean, well, I'm pretty sure it CAN, but is it
certifiable?
> D.
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: test
From: laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 21:41:26 -0500
Yes Devon, it went through
-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Williams
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:24 AM
Subject: test
>Hi all, I just switched my membership from the digest version to the true
>list version and I wanted to make sure I was getting messages. Can someone
>let me know if this went through??? I'd hate to miss out on any hot
topics!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Devon
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
|
