Aquaponics Digest - Fri 03/02/01
Message 1: RE: unsuscribe
from liontex
Message 2: Re: Sanitize
from "TGTX"
Message 3: Re: Organic certification
from "Paul F. Beglane"
Message 4: Aquaponic Pineapples was Re: Aquaponic Citrus Tree Nursery & Implications
forEcological Restoration
from "TGTX"
Message 5: Re: Organic certification
from "TGTX"
Message 6: PlantFacts Source List
from "TGTX"
Message 7: Ornamental Grasses
from "TGTX"
Message 8: Grafting for Conifer Propagation
from "TGTX"
Message 9: Unsubscribe
from Jennifer & Greg Grunest
Message 10: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: RE: Fish cancer/fungus
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 13: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 14: Re: An Introduction- From Steve and Lyn Hurst
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 15: other lists
from "Devon Williams"
Message 16: Re: other lists
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 17: seeds
from "Chris Mills"
Message 18: Re: seeds
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 19: Re: Aquaponic Pineapples was Re: Aquaponic Citrus Tree Nursery
& Implications forEcological Restoration
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 20: Mississippi State University Cooperative Extension Service Publications
from "TGTX"
Message 21: Freshwater Prawns
from "TGTX"
Message 22: For those interested in mad cow disease
from "TGTX"
Message 23: Re: seeds
from "TGTX"
Message 24: Re: seeds
from KurtBrubak 'at' aol.com
| Message 1
Subject: RE: unsuscribe
From: liontex
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:55:28 +0200
pls unsuscribe me temporarly Tks.
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Sanitize
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 07:50:37 -0600
The rules must have changed since 1997, or I'm having a senior moment......
In 1995 I had a small greenhouse that had both Tilapia and Water Hyacinth as
part of an experimental "living machine" like design for cleaning up
intensive aquaculture waste slurries. At that time, as I recall, I had to
get an exotic species license from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department for
the hyacinth as well as theTilapia (one permit, exotic species listed, as I
recall). We also already had a fish farming license from the Texas
Department of Agriculture for the shrimp and the fish within another
building, separate from the "living machine" greenhouse, and we also already
had an exotic species license for the shrimp from Texas Parks and Wildlife
Department.
When I went out to do my aquaponics venture in 1997, I had to have an exotic
species permit for the Tilapia (I did not use hyacinth in that venture), and
I had to have a fish farming license from the Texas Department of
Agriculture to sell fish to the public. The twisted preztel logic of those
2 permits, as I recall, was that you had to have one to have the other.
Since I applied for both at the same time, it boggled me because the exact
reading of the paperwork implied that one was a prerequisite of the other.
Weird bureaucratic doppleganger. Maybe I have that confused. I've slept
since then.
Anyway, things may have changed since then, or my memory is shot to swiss
cheese.
Say Hi to Joedy for me.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Kline
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Sanitize
> Hmmmmm, I was just on their web site (TDA) and it said $100. There was an
aquaculture license and a fish farming license.
>
> >>> kghale 'at' boatcycle.com 3/1/01 03:27:20 PM >>>
> $250.00 for the exotic tpw license./first year with $25.00 renewal each
> year.TDA license is $200 for 2 years. - Ken
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: Organic certification
From: "Paul F. Beglane"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:28:50 -0800 (PST)
NOFA/Massachusetts released their certification
criteria in January. Hydroponics still seem to be in a
gray area. Aquaponic production is encouraged and
welcome, and can be certified. The forms can be found
at:
http://ma.nofa.org
As a followup, it's been bandied about that some folk
are feeding their fish certified organic grain as
feed. I'm curious as to what's being fed to whom.
Anyone with info please please please contact me
offgroup. thanks.
pfb
=====
******************************************
Paul F. Beglane,
Aquaculture Project Manager
Re-Vision House, Inc.
Boston, MA, USA
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| Message 4
Subject: Aquaponic Pineapples was Re: Aquaponic Citrus Tree Nursery & Implications
forEcological Restoration
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:18:35 -0600
I need to talk to you and Kevin Reed about plant culture stuff.
Here's some stuff sorta similar the citrus budding thing, but kinda
different.... concepts to ponder ....I'm drifting perhaps far afield here
but what the hay....
Suggest you check out patent US Patent No. 4,302,905 "Growing Cells of
Plants in a Multi-Media Hydroponic Environment". in which living cells of
plants, such as Thallophyta and Embryophyta are grown at an accelerated rate
in a multi-medium hydroponics mixture consisting of a carbon dioxide
gas-impregnated, inert, nonionic, non-aggressive, liquid medium which is
non-miscible with water; and an aqueous hydroponic nutrient liquid medium;
as compared to the single medium nutrient aqueous liquid medium. The process
consists of growing clone cells, or callus, in a mechanically mixed
suspension of a nutrient hydroponic liquid, made up of water and selected
soluble mineral nutrients; and supplementing the growing cells need of
carbon, the principal cell mass, with carbon dioxide carried dissolved as a
non-ionic gas in an inert, non-hypertonic, non-hypotonic liquid; rather than
use of "sugar". Mixing the nutrient aqueous hydroponic liquid and the inert
carrier liquid provides not only the exchange of carbon dioxide to the
cells, but receives from the cell and the aqueous liquid the cell evolved
oxygen; thus expediting further the healthy growth of live plant cells. Live
plant clone cells are separated from the liquids, as product, and the
liquids replenished for recycle use.
Also US Patent No. 3,683,550: Plant Culture Method and Product, which is a
method for reproducing large numbers of pineapple plants using a three stage
plant tissue culture technique. Also the product of latent embryoid tissue
(i.e., bud clusters) used in the same technique. In an induction stage,
latent embryoid tissue is derived and induced to grow from an excised plant
meristem. Such tissue is then grown or proliferated in an aqueous nutrient
medium under conditions whereby differentiation of tissue into plantlets is
inhibited. In a preferred method, the latent embryoid tissue is proliferated
to a desirable amount and then transferred to a storage bank for unlimited
storage. When desired, a portion of tissue may be removed from the bank and
further proliferated. Also, the storage bank product. Then, in a
differentiation stage, the latent embryoid tissue is caused to differentiate
into plantlets
Then there is US Patent 3,514,900, which is a "Method for Rapidly
Reproducing Orchids", which I would like to get a copy of, but have not
found the image or text of that at http://www.delphion.com.
Anyone care to dig a little deeper on the Internet to find that and send it
my way?
I would very much appreciate it.
Ted
Rising from the Ashes...
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Kline
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponic Citrus Tree Nursery & Implications forEcological
Restoration
> I have some experience in plant tissue culture techniques, and am looking
into this.
>
>
> >>> ground 'at' thrifty.net 2/21/01 07:49:37 PM >>>
> Folks, I have harped on this ecological restoration notion before, but
here
> is something you migh consider for the future....ponder it and get back to
> me, if you think it might fly:
>
> "New budding system could change the fruit industry"
>
> " An innovative method of producing infant citrus tress could
revolutionize
> the fuit tree industry by saving growers time, space and money. The new
> method, called micro-budding, was developed by Dr. Mani Skaria, a plant
> pathologists at the Texas A&M-Kingsville Citrus Center, Weslaco."
>
> ...."Edible fruit trees normally have rootstocks that are unable to
> withstand many soil conditions and pathogens. Rootstocks that can survive
> usually produce inedible fruit. So, for over a century, nurseries
worldwide
> have been grafting buds from tasty fruit trees onto hardy rootstocks."
>
> "But the grafting process is tedious, time-consuming, and expensive. In
the
> case of South Texas citrus, it takes up to 2 years before a grafted tree
is
> planted in an orchard. It takes another 3 to 4 years before the infant
> plant gets over the shock of transplant and grows sufficiently to produce
> fruit. Even then, fruit production is initially low."
>
> "By micro-budding, the entire process is reduced to just over 2 years.
> Rootstocks are grown from seeds in tube containers in a nursery for 3 to 4
> months, then a single bud is inserted into the rootstock with a very sharp
> knife and capped, not taped as with conventional grafting. Within 2 to 3
> weeks, the newly budded rootstock begins to grow and is ready for
> transplanting into an orchard under drip irrigation."
>
> "There are fewer stages in micro-budding, (Dr. Skaria) said, and all the
> nuersery care and irrigation is given to the micro-budded tree, not to the
> rootstock like in conventional budding."
>
> "Skaria planted his first micro-budded orchard in the summer of 1997 and
by
> the fall of 1999, several varieties of micro-budded citrus, including
> lemons, oranges, and grapefruit, were producing fruit."
>
> "This micro-budded orchard answered 2 major questions about this new
method:
> Will micro-budded plants survive in the field, and will they grow
normally?
> The answer to both questons is 'yes', said Skaria."
>
> "We don't know why, but some actually started producing fruit in less than
2
> years. It's something we'll have to investigate scientifically".
>
> O.K., so what do y'all think are the implications of this with respect to
> nut trees, fruit trees, native lumber and fiber trees and plants,
Paulewina
> (sp?) etc, in which we start the trees in aquaponic nurseries.......mass
> production.....?? Ever heard of the story of the Man Who Planted Trees
and
> Created Happiness, etc...France, circa WW one????
>
> Anybody want to step up to the plate and become the Johnny or Joanie Apple
> Seed of Aquaponics, or the like? I think the planet, or at least your
local
> county or parish, needs a few more trees and shrubs etc...How about
it?....I
> dare you !.
>
> Consider it . Ponder it.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Organic certification
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:47:27 -0600
Paul, If you want to talk about this off group we can, but we have already
discussed this in this forum quite a bit.
Some time ago I posted a formula for an all plant protein, organic feed that
Zeiglers is willing to make from organic sources supplied by Al Wolgamuth's
mill there in Pennsylvania, called "Strictly Organic". I persuaded Zeiglers
to get part of their mill organically certified, and that was done by my
hooking up certifiers from Indiana to do all that for them.....So now we
have a certified feed mill with a known source of organic feedstocks nearby
the feed mill to use as ingredients......You, or anyone else within earshot
of this message is free to use that formula toward organic aquaculture. I
had this under my hat for a while, until I got my goofin' hat blown off by a
couple of my wonderful business partners, so I will give it to anyone who
wishes to use it. Ha!!! I bid them all Peace and may they sleep well at
night...if they can.
I came up with it from a literature search...... Found a linseed meal
formulation that 2 fellas in US Fish and Wildlife up in Maryland had used,
gave that literature to Dr. Mark Subramanyan at Zeiglers, he tweeked it for
me after I told him what Al Wolgamuth could supply to Zeiglers, and that's
the story..... I have no proprietary or intellectual property claims to
this particular formulation..... I never ordered a batch for production
trials or experimentation, and to my knowledge since I broadcast the formula
nobody has had Zeigler or any other fish feed mill produce it. I may have a
feed mill in San Angelo, Texas produce it for me in the future, but that may
be a long ways off.
I tried to get John at Biosystems, Inc. in Amherst Mass to go in with me
(since he grows what... a bazillion tons of Tilapia every year in his NOFA
certified aquaponics facility...the basil is certified, not the fish, last
time I checked...) to get some quantity breaks on price from Ziegler, but
that never came about.
Here's the message and the formula cut and pasted from a post I sent some
time ago
I guess I was trying to be cute or obscure or whatever in this "Take the
average" comment. Just plug in 50% for 45% to 55% for the organic soymeal,
etc, for each ingredient, and you will get the actual formula....what was I
thinking?
This was sent out August 23, 2000.....Oh, and you might think about using
zero salt added, or perhaps potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride,
or perhaps 0.1 to 0.2% seasalt instead of regular NaCl....with respect to
Dr. Jim R's concerns about TDS build up...
----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Organic Fish Feed
Here is an "organic" fish feed formula that I will give out to everybody who
wants to do it....I hereby declare myself free to do this.....somebody take
this and run with it if you wish:
You might try taking the average percentage of these ranges and see if it
works for you. Try calling Zeigler and see if you can put the only known
(to yours truely) organic fish food plant in the USA to work for you.
Ingredients of the "organic tilapia feed":
The following can be provided to Zeigler by the folks at Strictly Organic:
Organic Soybean Meal 45 to 55%
Organic Wheat 20 to 30%
Organic Linseed Meal 5 to 15%
Organic Wheat Middlings 0 to 10%
Organic Corn 0 to 10%
Organic Soy Oil 0.5 to 2.0%
The following nutrients could be supplied by Ziegler:
Salt: 0 to 0.5%
Dicalcium Phosphate 1.5 to 2.5%
Then there is a mixture of Lysine, Methionine, the standard mIx of vitamins,
the trace minerals, and a stabilized form of Vitamin C (the superior Ziegler
brand that they call "Stay-C")......this whole mix from Ziegler might be
about 1% of the total. Organic activists lost in there own devices may
recoil in horror at the notion of adding amino acids and vitamins to an
organic feed.....For the health of the animals, the fish need it...go ask
the fish nutritionists...... but I am not sure at what level these vitamins
etc are needed and if the feed companies just add it for "conservative
protection"....it might be that those grains listed above, plus some green
water culture providing all manner of vitamins and "phytochemicals" would do
just fine....maybe a little duckweed, watercress, and worms added in the mix
to keep things interesting.......But, I can't imagine why the extremists
would object to a 1% mix of vitamins etc.,, but then I don't understand lots
of kinds of human beliefs and behaviors....
Later, we can talk about the idea of linseed meal (flax seed) as an EFA
substitute for fish meal....and if we really need to do that at all.
Gotta go bed now.
God Bless You All
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul F. Beglane
To:
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Organic certification
> NOFA/Massachusetts released their certification
> criteria in January. Hydroponics still seem to be in a
> gray area. Aquaponic production is encouraged and
> welcome, and can be certified. The forms can be found
> at:
> http://ma.nofa.org
>
>
> As a followup, it's been bandied about that some folk
> are feeding their fish certified organic grain as
> feed. I'm curious as to what's being fed to whom.
> Anyone with info please please please contact me
> offgroup. thanks.
>
> pfb
>
>
> =====
> ******************************************
> Paul F. Beglane,
> Aquaculture Project Manager
| Message 6
Subject: PlantFacts Source List
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:21 -0600
This should keep researchers and interested readers busy for a while.
PlantFacts is made possible by the thousands of agronomic and horticultural
fact sheets and bulletins and the numerous departmental web sites. The list
at the URL below notes the primary sources of all fact sheets and bulletins
served from PlantFacts, as well as the departmental home pages.
http://plantfacts.ohio-state.edu/fs/list.html
Enjoy
Tedzo
| Message 7
Subject: Ornamental Grasses
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:32:06 -0600
This is a webpage from an Ohio State University student....ornamental
grasses.
This web page is to inform the public what ornamental grasses are and topics
that relate to ornamental grasses. Such topics are how to care for
ornamentals grasses, some forms they come in, and why they are an advantage
in a garden.
http://osi9.tripod.com/
| Message 8
Subject: Grafting for Conifer Propagation
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:34:41 -0600
Grafting is one of the most fascinating techniques of the conventional
propagation. This web site was designed to provide useful information about
"Conifer Propagation" by grafting, to students and producers, but also to
everyone interested in this type of propagation. In addition, it has a
Spanish version, making this site more accessible. The first section
explains the terms, tools, reasons and limitations that are found in t his
method. The next section shows systematically how to propagate conifers by
bench grafting onto pot-grown rootstocks using side wedge graft, with
pictures representing each step. Then there is a useful list of
scion/rootstock combination. Finally, in the last section, there is a
description of the different types of side grafting techniques.
http://pehuen.tripod.com/
| Message 9
Subject: Unsubscribe
From: Jennifer & Greg Grunest
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:02:48 -0800
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| Message 10
Subject: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:00:09 -0600
Hi Rebecca,
I'm breaking my "cardinal" rule here...responding when I'm tired. I tend to
make a jerk out of myself when I do this. But I feel I that must make some
kind of statement to you personally.
(As a matter of fact, I just deleted what I was going to say. If you would
like to know why I am kind of "tough" on the hydroponics list...not
hydroponics....contact me 'at' careplus 'at' execpc.com. I would love to tell you,
but I don't want to burden Paula's list.)
Yours truly.......Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nelson and Pade"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
> Hi Gang,
>
> The title "hydroponics" scares me. I, personally, have found
> this group of
> people to be very belligerent towards anyone who is doing
> aquaponics.
I have been involved with the hydroponics industry for many years and have
not found any individuals who are belligerent toward people doing
aquaponics. In fact, last year my partner and I did a presentation on
aquaponics at the Hydroponic Society of America conference and it was both
well attended and well received. A few years earlier Scott Jones did an
introduction to aquaponics presentation at the San Jose HSA conference and
attendees were excited and interested. In my experience, I find the
hydroponics community welcomes new ideas and input. If you are running into
people who don't get it (aquaponics), try to educate them and point our the
successful researchers, commercial growers, hobbyists and educators out
there doing it.
Rebecca Nelson
(I know
> that their list moderator is very, very-anti-aquaponics...I must legally
> qualify this statement with the statement that this is "my own opinion".)
> Would be nice if their list moderator was as open to discussion as ours.
> Would be nice if "our" forum was open to all. There are some really great
> participants on the hydroponics list.
>
> But on to the next premise, $495 is not a bad price to pay for a
> hydroponics
> seminar. I, personally (again), find hydroponics a very expensive
> avenue to
> take. The grow lights are expensive to buy and VERY expensive to run.
>
> I welcome any comments from the hydroponics list moderator. I am
> Steve 'at' : careplus 'at' execpc.com
>
> I try to only post things that I have experience with.
>
> Steve
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:05:38 -0600
WHOA! ADRIANNA!
You were not the one who responded to me. I have the UTMOST RESPECT AND
ADMIRATION for you.
Someone really blasted me and screwed up my computer with some really
screwed up email. Took me a long time to get rid of it. Even had to get my
ISP to delete it.
It wasn't you and this was not meant for you.
Sorry....sorry......sorry....if you thought I meant you.
Later and LOL........Steve :) :*
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
Whoa! Steve!
The plant component of aquaponics IS hydroponics. You just chose a
different source for your nutrients. And I object to being called
belligerent...in case you didn't know my commercial greenhouse was
strictly hydroponic. I appreciate the aquaponic component but felt it
was too much to get into initially. My thinking has evolved over time
and, while I may use animal manures as a source of nutrients in a
fututre set-up it might not necessarily be fish-based.
> The title "hydroponics" scares me. I, personally, have found this
group of
> people to be very belligerant towards anyone who is doing
aquaponics.(I know
> that their list moderator is very, very-anti-aquaponics...I must
legally
> qualify this statement with the statement that this is "my own
opinion".)
Actusally there are 2 separate hydrop lists - one is pretty much
self-moderated. I have had limited experience with the "other" list
so I haven't experienced the rigidity of the moderator, but I have
heard about it. We vcan all agree that Paula is great!
> Would be nice if their list moderator was as open to discussion as
ours.
The aquaponics forum has been open to any and all for as long as I've
been associated with it, which is about 3 years.
> Would be nice if "our" forum was open to all. There are some really
great
> participants on the hydroponics list.
According to Growing Edge only 50 people attended the last American
Hydroponics seminar, whle 250 attended the Crop King onw in Orlando.
One main difference is the price...
> But on to the next premise, $495 is not a bad price to pay for a
hydroponics
> seminar.
Who says hydroponics has to be done with lights? I think you have
lots of misconceptions....you can grow hydroponically in a greenhouse
or outdoors with no lights. Likewise if you chose to set up an
aquaponic system in a basement you would need to provide supplemental
lighting also.
I, personally (again), find hydroponics a very expensive avenue to
> take. The grow lights are expensive to buy and VERY expensive to
run.
Respectfully, hydroponically yours,
Adriana
| Message 12
Subject: RE: Fish cancer/fungus
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:07:42 -0600 (CST)
I need more information about your fish crises but you need to make a
radical water change to reduce the amount of pathogen spores and also
vacuum the tank bottom for the same reasons because the crap on the
bottom is were most pathogens breed.
Most outbreaks are caused by a shock to the fish like say a drop in
water temp. or an un tolerated chemical level so if you heat the
replacement water up a bit above what they are in now it shoud might
help.
Some of the foods come from fishmeal and the fish used to make the
fish meal might have been carriers
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Conferences, Seminars, Workshops was Re: WI Aquaculture
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:43:03 -0600 (CST)
Hey Steve in the last week i was sent 2 bombs but this webTV caught them
which is why I wont use my computer for email. They were email
atachments and were untiteled and must have come from the aquaponicr ,
tilapia or redclaw lists however I get 50 emails from this list for
every one from the others so it looks like we have a mole playing around
Bruce
| Message 14
Subject: Re: An Introduction- From Steve and Lyn Hurst
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:22:13 -0600
At 01:14 PM 03/01/2001 -0000, you wrote:
>I am British, but live and work in Asia. My chosen home is in the
>Philipinnes. It is here that
>my Wife and I are setting up an Aquaponics venture in one of the provinces
>of Luzon island.
>
>We have been studying the subject for around two years now, and have finaly
>entered the building
>stage. We will be attempting to adapt some of these systems to a Tropical
>Climate.
>
>Once we are finally up and running, we will be sure and let you know how we
>are getting along,
>especially where, or if ,we have had to make adaptations for the climate
Welcome to both of you, Steve. We have several list members who would be
interested in your progress, and we'd like to add tropical climate
adaptations to our own knowledge base as well.
>My comment on the list so far :
> Absolutely fascinating. Can 'at' t keep up with the research leads that keep
>coming through !
Never ceases to amaze me either -- of course, that's one of the benefits of
belonging to the group - sharing the resources as we come across them.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 15
Subject: other lists
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:35:35 -0500
Can anyone tell me the address for getting onto the tilapia and red claw
lists? This sounds really interesting!
Devon
_________________________________________________________________
| Message 16
Subject: Re: other lists
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 14:34:43 -0600
At 03:35 PM 03/02/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me the address for getting onto the tilapia and red claw
>lists? This sounds really interesting!
>
>Devon
Devon, the tilapia mail group I would recommend is at yahoo (lots of lists
have ended up there -- onelist groups were taken over by egroups, and then
they were taken over by yahoo!). I think the information I have is correct.
If you search at yahoo groups, you'll find 11 lists pertaining to tilapia.
The one I see the most activity on is managed by Tom Frese
, so if you have any problems finding it, please
write him directly for instructions.
What info I have is:
Post message: tilapia 'at' yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: tilapia-subscribe 'at' yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: tilapia-unsubscribe 'at' yahoogroups.com
List owner: tilapia-owner 'at' yahoogroups.com
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Paula
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| Message 17
Subject: seeds
From: "Chris Mills"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:01:28 -0600
I'm looking for a variety of seeds to play with in my aquaponics system:
Lettuce, Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Okra, Strawberries, and Cantaloupe. Can
someone point me to a good source. I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Chris
| Message 18
Subject: Re: seeds
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:35:16 -0600
My 1st, 2nd and 3rd vote goes to Johnny's Selected Seeds
http://www.johnnyseeds.com Good quality and service.
Adriana
> I'm looking for a variety of seeds to play with in my aquaponics
system:
> Lettuce, Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Okra, Strawberries, and Cantaloupe.
Can
> someone point me to a good source. I would appreciate it.
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Aquaponic Pineapples was Re: Aquaponic Citrus Tree Nursery
& Implications forEcological Restoration
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:03:53 -0500
Hi Ted.
I notice the term "rapidly reproducing" used. The orchid hybridizers in
Miami use tissue culture to get many new plants of the new hybrid ready to
market. But it takes up to nine years for some of the hybrids to mature.
I don't know why anyone would want to do this with pineapples since simply
planting the tops will give fruit in 18 to 24 months. ..Emmett
| Message 20
Subject: Mississippi State University Cooperative Extension Service Publications
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:40:29 -0600
If you go to this URL, http://msucares.com/pubs/index.html#Aqua you will
find the following publications
Aquaculture/Catfish
4-H Catfish Project Guide P1578
A Practical Guide to Nutrition, Feeds & Feeding of Catfish B1041
Catfish - Feed Formulation and Manufacture IS1463
Catfish - Feed Types and Feed Allowances IS1464
Catfish - Meeting Nutrient Requirements for Channel Catfish P1837
Catfish Protein Nutrition (.pdf version) B1090
Catfish Quality Insurance P1873
Catfish Vitamin Nutrition B1078
Channel Catfish Virus IS1383
Directory of Aquaculture Professionals 2000 IB367
Estimating the Number of Catfish Fingerlings Produced by Brood Fish IS1387
Freshwater Prawns Biology and Life History IS1525
Freshwater Prawns - Hatchery and Nursery Management P2002
Freshwater Prawns - Pond Production and Grow-Out P2003
Fry-Pond Preparation for Rearing Channel Catfish IS1553
Malathion Fate in Water and Catfish TB225
Management Plan for Blue-Green Off-Flavors in Mississippi Pond-Raised
Catfish P2001
Pond Preparation for Spawning Channel Catfish IS1565
Use of Calcium Chloride To Increase Water Hardness In Catfish Hatcheries
IS1388
Winter Feeding of Channel Catfish IS1413
Winter Kill in Channel Catfish IS1392
I hope y'all find this useful....interesting.
Ted
| Message 21
Subject: Freshwater Prawns
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:04:09 -0600
Lotsa stuff on Freshwater Prawns.
Me hungry. Me go run through underbrush in loin cloth to aquaponic
greenhouse, fight with big claw daddy prawn ala Johnny Weismuller...Gotta
have that big Honkin' Bowie Knife in mouth...Me eat prawn with garlic,
butter, lemon juice and thyme. Me give some to Jane, Boy, Simba, and
Cheetah, sit back in recliner and read Samuel Taylor Coleridge as tummy
rumbles..."Un-gow-a!"
Ted-zan
http://www.msstate.edu/dept/crec/fwpres.html
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/publicat/state/ky/prawn.htm
| Message 22
Subject: For those interested in mad cow disease
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:03:06 -0600
For those interested in "mad cow disease", and so-called "protein
aggregation".... the
biochemical phenomenon which apparently causes spongiform encephalopathies,
including BSE (Mad Cow Disease), scrapie in sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jacob
disease in humans. Refreshingly, there is mo mention here of immortal or
invincible organic molecules capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand
suns....
http://unisci.com/stories/20011/0302014.htm
| Message 23
Subject: Re: seeds
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:17:14 -0600
> My 1st, 2nd and 3rd vote goes to Johnny's Selected Seeds
> http://www.johnnyseeds.com Good quality and service.
>
> Adriana
Yeah, Johnnys is one of my faves....also maybe
http://www.ornamentaledibles.com/ and maybe http://www.hydro-gardens.com
Lots of others, tho....keep lookin'....I have a tome of seed catalogs on the
shelf....interesting to keep lookin through them and ordering here and
there..
Ted
| Message 24
Subject: Re: seeds
From: KurtBrubak 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:54:50 EST
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In a message dated 3/2/01 3:32:08 PM Central Standard Time,
cmills 'at' beadfilters.com writes:
www.seedsavers.org
the yearbooks just came out last month. get em while they're hot!
Kurt
> I'm looking for a variety of seeds to play with in my aquaponics system:
> Lettuce, Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Okra, Strawberries, and Cantaloupe. Can
> someone point me to a good source. I would appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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In a message dated 3/2/01 3:32:08 PM Central Standard Time,
cmills 'at' beadfilters.com writes:
www.seedsavers.org
the yearbooks just came out last month. get em while they're hot!
Kurt
I'm looking for a variety of seeds to play with in my
aquaponics system:
Lettuce, Cucumbers, Tomatoes, Okra, Strawberries, and Cantaloupe. Can
someone point me to a good source. I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Chris
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