Aquaponics Digest - Fri 03/09/01
Message 1: Re: My new web site
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 2: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from "TGTX"
Message 3: Re: R.H. Shumway Seedsman
from "TGTX"
Message 4: Re: apology--Question about the hydroponics list
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 5: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/08/01
from "Dean Moore"
Message 6: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 7: Environmental Controls
from Jessica Berkson
Message 8: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
from "Laura Dalton"
Message 9: Re: Environmental Controls
from "dac"
Message 10: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
from "Juan C. Bobeda"
Message 11: Re: Fish cancer/fungus
from tony 'at' sima.ms
Message 12: Re: Fish cancer/fungus
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 13: IMPORTANT - Aquaponics list information
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 14: Website for R.H. Shumway Seedsman?
from Brian Gracia
Message 15: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 16: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 17: Re: Website for R.H. Shumway Seedsman?
from JohnEBook 'at' aol.com
| Message 1
Subject: Re: My new web site
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:00:35 -0600
At 11:42 PM 03/08/2001 -0600, Brian wrote:
>I have just put up a web site. It is a work in progress. Please forgive
>the commercial name, I got it so I would not loose it when I went
>commercial one day. Right now, it is just showing my hydro hobby. I
>intend to put up more later.
>
>http://www.LouisianaHydroponics.com
>
>Paula, I am not selling anything and won't be for quite some time, so I
>hope you don't mind the commercial naming of my site. Just wanted to
>secure the name for myself for when I went commercial.
No problem for me, Brian. I'll have to pass along a story, though --
Our grandaughter Brooke, 2 years old, was trying to get the attention of our
newest grandaughter Masynn, who was about 6 weeks old and wasn't seeing much
yet. She called her, "Baby Masynn.... baby Masynn.... BABY MASYNN!" in
increasing volume each time, with no result from Masynn who had no idea she
was supposed to actually look toward Brooke. Her mother finally said,
"She's a baby, she's not deaf!"
Best of luck with your project.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:11:40 -0600
> Ted, you said that freshwater prawns will eat mussels/clams. Do they have
to
> be out of the shells or do they have the ability to open them?
Sorry.....the NZ operation feeds the prawns bivalve meat, sans shell.
If prawns could crack a clam shell in a heartbeat like side cuttin' pliers
crunching a pecan, I believe I would think twice about stickin' my hand in
the culture tank or net to retrieve one for dinner. Talk about shades of
"Alien" with Sigourny Weaver...."in the greenhouse, at night, no one can
hear you scream"...
You do have to handle them rather, uh carefully, anyway 'cause of the
pinchers, but that's acceptable risk for my taste. Slap 'em on ice, then
slap em on the bar-bee, slap some butter on them, then knaw on them
relentlessly like a Cro-Magnon mistakenly invited to the Cotillion Ball.
Make the debutants and plutocrats uncomfortable..there ain't no graceful way
to eat 'em served with their shell on.....Personally, I like a little
decapod shell on the meat if it's thin enough....kinda crunchy.....tastes a
lot like......grasshopper.....
Me like prawn.
Ted
| Message 3
Subject: Re: R.H. Shumway Seedsman
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 06:16:22 -0600
> Their Goliath silo corn will have people stopping in the middle of the
road
> and it makes great hominy.
>
> John
That's a pretty big corn stalk to stop a full size car.
Plant a hedge around your yard and enjoy some seasonal privacy that's also
edible.
Such a plant might inspire midnight drive by ear pickin' by the local
scoundrels and scalawags. "Get 'em Dan!"
Scary. I'm ordering some today....
Goliath Corn Hominy Grits with Prawn in Garlic Lime Butter
Ted
| Message 4
Subject: Re: apology--Question about the hydroponics list
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:02:04 -0600
It took me months to resubscribe and I'm not sure how I finally did
it. I even appealed directly to Dan Lubke(?) President of the HSA a
couple of times.
> Same here. Maybe we're blacklisted?
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/08/01
From: "Dean Moore"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:48:52 -0300
But do any Carps grow as fast as tilapias?
Dean
> Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
> From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:30:36 -0600 (CST)
>
> Mirror Carp, Israeli Carp ,Big head Carp.
> Carp are the big stand by fish of China and Europe and have been used
> for Aquaculture for at least 10,000 years in China. They are very
> productive and HARDY. They also taste at least as good as Tilapia when
> fixed right
> Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:33:55 EST
Please tell me where I can find out more about using Barley to combat
contamination in tissue culture.
Thanks,
Dave
Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:07:47 -0600
I had trouble finding barley hay, so I went to the local Sun Harvest store =
and bought whole barley grain. The grain successfully sprouted, and now I =
have my own barley crop.=20
I also knew from past readings/research that a "mash" of fermented barley =
is a very effective fungicide/algaecide, and can be used in tissue culture =
media. I have followed the method with remarkable results, a 90% drop in =
contaminated cultures with no adverse effect on the plant callus.
| Message 7
Subject: Environmental Controls
From: Jessica Berkson
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:42:12 -0800
A few years ago, there was talk of controllers that would maintain ph and
nutrient levels in tanks with computerized drippers etc. I am only
familiar with Green Air Products and I really don't like there GreenHouse
Controller. i am looking for something similar, and am wondering what other
options are out there.
Does anybody on this list have any experience using these things, or know
of a source to research them?
Thanks
Jessica
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
From: "Laura Dalton"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:04:56 -0600
All:
I have been one of the "list lurkers" for about a year now, and have
followed the barley straw thread with interest. I don't have a set-up yet,
but since we live in the same town as Paula (GREAT list moderator), we will
eventually end up with an S&S system.
In an extremely unlikely place, (A Norfolk Lavender catalog), I found Pond
Pads made of lavender and barley straw for the express purpose of algae
control. It seems lavender enhances the control. In researching, I was able
to trace the manufacturer to the UK and then contacted their US distributor.
The product is available in many forms, including 10m strips for large
ponds. They have a website,www.clearpond.com, containing many products for
pond health. Hope this helps those looking for a barley straw source. I've
enjoyed being a list member and have really appreciated the diversity of the
group.
Thanks to all for a great learning experience.
Laura E. Dalton
Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
1461 State Route BB
West Plains, MO 65775
(417) 256-3268
laura 'at' victoria-gardens.com
www.victoria-gardens.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
> Please tell me where I can find out more about using Barley to combat
> contamination in tissue culture.
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
> From: "Michael Kline"
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:07:47 -0600
>
> I had trouble finding barley hay, so I went to the local Sun Harvest store
=
> and bought whole barley grain. The grain successfully sprouted, and now I
=
> have my own barley crop.=20
>
> I also knew from past readings/research that a "mash" of fermented barley
=
> is a very effective fungicide/algaecide, and can be used in tissue culture
=
> media. I have followed the method with remarkable results, a 90% drop in =
> contaminated cultures with no adverse effect on the plant callus.
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Environmental Controls
From: "dac"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:18:13 -1000
http://www.amhydro.com/pages/hobby/minidosers.html
American Hydroponics sells these by Autogrow http://www.autogrow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica Berkson"
To: ;
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: Environmental Controls
> A few years ago, there was talk of controllers that would maintain ph and
> nutrient levels in tanks with computerized drippers etc. I am only
> familiar with Green Air Products and I really don't like there GreenHouse
> Controller. i am looking for something similar, and am wondering what
other
> options are out there.
>
> Does anybody on this list have any experience using these things, or know
> of a source to research them?
>
> Thanks
> Jessica
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
From: "Juan C. Bobeda"
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:14:06 -0400
You an also buy barley straw at Aquatics Unlimited:
http://www.bestfish.com/ushop/index.cgi?ID=CRRMHX&task=show&cat=pond+supplies
Laura Dalton wrote:
> All:
> I have been one of the "list lurkers" for about a year now, and have
> followed the barley straw thread with interest. I don't have a set-up yet,
> but since we live in the same town as Paula (GREAT list moderator), we will
> eventually end up with an S&S system.
> In an extremely unlikely place, (A Norfolk Lavender catalog), I found Pond
> Pads made of lavender and barley straw for the express purpose of algae
> control. It seems lavender enhances the control. In researching, I was able
> to trace the manufacturer to the UK and then contacted their US distributor.
> The product is available in many forms, including 10m strips for large
> ponds. They have a website,www.clearpond.com, containing many products for
> pond health. Hope this helps those looking for a barley straw source. I've
> enjoyed being a list member and have really appreciated the diversity of the
> group.
> Thanks to all for a great learning experience.
> Laura E. Dalton
> Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
> 1461 State Route BB
> West Plains, MO 65775
> (417) 256-3268
> laura 'at' victoria-gardens.com
> www.victoria-gardens.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/09/01
>
> > Please tell me where I can find out more about using Barley to combat
> > contamination in tissue culture.
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> > Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
> > From: "Michael Kline"
> > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:07:47 -0600
> >
> > I had trouble finding barley hay, so I went to the local Sun Harvest store
> =
> > and bought whole barley grain. The grain successfully sprouted, and now I
> =
> > have my own barley crop.=20
> >
> > I also knew from past readings/research that a "mash" of fermented barley
> =
> > is a very effective fungicide/algaecide, and can be used in tissue culture
> =
> > media. I have followed the method with remarkable results, a 90% drop in =
> > contaminated cultures with no adverse effect on the plant callus.
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Fish cancer/fungus
From: tony 'at' sima.ms
Date: 10 Mar 2001 01:07:39 -0000
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:32:39 -0600 "Adriana Gutierrez" wrote:
>Thanks 4 everyones help, am proceeding with recommended treatments , cross
fingers will let u know. Have found a friend to take pictures as requested ages
ago review if u have the stomach.
Thanks Tony
>
>> The fish look like thay are being eaten, usually at tail, anus or
>fin but it
>> can be anywhere.
>
>Could it be "furnculosis" or "columnaris"? This is from course
>materials from an Aquaculture worksop:
>
>FURUNCULOSIS
>----------------------
>"Chronic furunculosis usually occurs in older fish and one or more
>furncules are present on the flank."
>
>It affects all of the internal organs and is caused by aeromonas
>salmonicida. In gold fish it shows up as ulcers, in carp
>erythrodermatitis, ulcer disease in trout and systemic infections
>among several warmwater and marine species.
>
>Diagnosis can be difficult because some of the strains are slow
>growing and clinical signs vary. It is transmitted by contact with
>contaminated water or infected fish. The bacteria can survive up to 6
>days on DRY nets, 32 days in tissues of dead fish.
>
>CONTROL -" methods include both prevention and treatment with
>anti-microbial drugs. Effective control procedures have been
>developed for salmonid and trout ulcer disease but not for GUD, CE and
>infections of warmwater and marine species." I assume tilapia fall
>into the latter category so there is no cure... Therapy for infected
>salmonids and trout is sulfamerazine and oxytetracylcine with
>treatment terminated 3 weeks before the fish are released. There are
>other treatments but they have not been approved by the FDA.
>
>PREVENTION - obtaining fish eggs or fish from sources CERTIFIED free
>of furunculosis or trout ulcer disease. Non-certified eggs can be
>disinfected by submersion in iodine complexes.
>
>
>COLUMNARIS
>-----------------
>Columnaris disease is an acute to chronic bacterial infection that
>affects...virtually all species of warmwater fishes.
>
>CLINICAL SIGNS _ it begins on the gils and body surfaces and the
>lesions tend to vary with the fish. "In scaleless fish such as the
>catfishes initial lesions are small and circular and have gray-blue
>necrotic centers and red margins surrounded by a ring of inflamed
>skin. As the disease progresses the lesions spread and may cover most
>of the body. In scaled fish the lesions begin at the outer margins of
>the fins and spread inward towards the body."
>
>
>It is transmitted from fish to fish.
>
>TREATMENT - there are a number of effective chemicals and
>antibacterials but NONE are registered with the USDA.
>
>"At this time the only chemicals and drugs registered by the FDA for
>use for FOOD FISH are copper sulfate, 2,4-D, diquat, dibromide,
>endothall, lime, sodium chloride (salt), simazine, sulfamerazine, and
>Terramycin.
>
>The US Department of the Interior publishes a series of Fish Disease
>Leaflets which provide diagnostic and treatment information.
>
>
>
>Good luck. It sounds like you need to find a fish expert, maybe
>through you state Fish and Wildlife Department to do laboratory
>testing to come up with a definitive diagnosis.
>
>Adriana
>
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Fish cancer/fungus
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:50:18 -0600
At 01:07 AM 03/10/2001 -0000, Tony wrote:
>>Thanks 4 everyones help, am proceeding with recommended treatments , cross
>fingers will let u know. Have found a friend to take pictures as requested
ages
>ago review if u have the stomach.
>
>Thanks Tony
Tony, I'm not picking on you, and appreciate that you have a difficult
problem to deal with. However, the reasons for not posting attachments to a
mail group are very valid. The pictures you sent should have only been sent
directly to those who requested them, not the entire 400+ membership, and
they appear to be at least 5-10 times normal size for .jpg
attachments....creating a very long download time. I hope no one's system
has been seriously hampered.
I'll be reposting the list welcome and etiquette for everyone's reference.
I hope members will refer to it before sending out-of-the ordinary posts to
the group.
Thanks,
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 13
Subject: IMPORTANT - Aquaponics list information
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:52:34 -0600
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| Message 14
Subject: Website for R.H. Shumway Seedsman?
From: Brian Gracia
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:26:15 -0600
I am looking for a web link. Anyone got one for R.H. Shumway Seedsman?
Brian
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:46:13 -0800
TGTX wrote:
> Me like prawn.
>
> Ted
-- Had me laughing hard and loud in the still tropical night here
mon...me like prawn two ...
Mike..
still giggling..
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 22:53:44 -0800
Thanks folks,
Upon further investigation I have had to conclude that my plants are
infested, and that I will await the next nitrate/Phosphate tests before
spraying them with some Bt products.
Thank you all in the brainstorming of this one. I have learnt quite a
fewthings on fungus gnats, which I didnt know before... and there I was
thinking they were all "harmless". Thanks again to the greatest group I
know on the web.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mike the maggots (a moth caterpillar) mine the inside of the Hyacinths
> leaf starting at the water level and working up in a sort of fan type of
> damage then causing a rot which attracts fungus nats (a microsmall fly
> or fruit flys) which lay eggs and hatch into other fly maggots which eat
> the dead spots or create more damage yet. All 3 can be controlled by the
> Bacillus Thurencis spelling? quite effectivly. The moth that starts
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Website for R.H. Shumway Seedsman?
From: JohnEBook 'at' aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:14:28 EST
www.rhshumway.com
John
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