Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/10/01
Message 1: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: My apologies
from tony 'at' sima.ms
Message 4: Re: Fungus Gnats
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re: Channel vs bed
from "Tony Cooper"
Message 7: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from Bill Patrick
Message 8: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from "TGTX"
Message 9: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from "TGTX"
Message 10: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from Bill Patrick
Message 11: Huge Image File
from "Dean Moore"
Message 12: Unsubscribe
from "James Buffham"
Message 13: Re: Huge Image File
from Jim S
Message 14: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 15: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 16: Re: Fungus Gnats
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 17: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 18: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/08/01
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 19: Re: Channel vs bed
from "Juan C. Bobeda"
Message 20: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from "TGTX"
Message 21: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from Michael Olson
Message 22: Re: Fungus Gnats
from "TGTX"
Message 23: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from "TGTX"
Message 24: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "JAlan Aufderheide"
Message 25: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 26: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "TGTX"
Message 27: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "David E. McCall"
Message 28: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from Peggy & Emmett
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:54:23 -0600
Hi Bruce,
What do you mean "they taste as good as tilapia when fixed right"?
I'm just waiting for my pond to totally unfreeze so I can evacuate the fish
I want and kill the rest because I have Mirror Carp in there. Are you trying
to say that there is some benefit or way to prepare these things so they are
not only palatable, but tasty?
I'd sure like for you to respond to this.
Thanks......Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
Mirror Carp, Israeli Carp ,Big head Carp.
Carp are the big stand by fish of China and Europe and have been used
for Aquaculture for at least 10,000 years in China. They are very
productive and HARDY. They also taste at least as good as Tilapia when
fixed right
Bruce
| Message 2
Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:04:56 -0600
Thanks for responding Adrianna,
There are a lot of farmers around, but none produce barley hay. (I already
checked.) I will get a bale of (whatever) hay and try this. I will also try
it in my pond. (Stupid question....If I use it in my pond, I should be able
to just throw a bale or 2 in. My pond is apprx. 1/3 acre and is not spring
fed. It is fed by the water table and rainwater only.) I also do intense
aquaculture in the pond as well. I'm actually going to be doing "Georgia
Giant" hybrid bluegills this year. Should be interesting.
Thanks again for responding........Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
Steve,
Other straw works and maybe hay also. Go to a seed and feed store and
buy a bale, you will only need a portion of it. Use a net bag, the
type you put delicate washables in.
> Takes me awhile to get around to everything. Should I just knock on
some
> local farmers doors and ask if they have barley straw? Or is this
something
> that has to be ordered? When I finally do get it, do I just put it
in a
> "say" burlap bag and hang it in my tanks?
| Message 3
Subject: My apologies
From: tony 'at' sima.ms
Date: 10 Mar 2001 08:07:41 -0000
On Fri, 09 Mar 2001 19:50:18 -0600 S & S Aqua Farm
wrote:
>At 01:07 AM 03/10/2001 -0000, Tony wrote:
>
>>>Thanks 4 everyones help, am proceeding with recommended treatments , cross
>>fingers will let u know. Have found a friend to take pictures as requested
>ages
>>ago review if u have the stomach.
>>
>>Thanks Tony
>
>Tony, I'm not picking on you, and appreciate that you have a difficult
>problem to deal with. However, the reasons for not posting attachments to a
>mail group are very valid. The pictures you sent should have only been sent
>directly to those who requested them, not the entire 400+ membership, and
>they appear to be at least 5-10 times normal size for .jpg
>attachments....creating a very long download time. I hope no one's system
>has been seriously hampered.
>
>I'll be reposting the list welcome and etiquette for everyone's reference.
>I hope members will refer to it before sending out-of-the ordinary posts to
>the group.
>
>Thanks,
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
--
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Fungus Gnats
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:08:58 -0600
THIS IS MY CONCERN!!
Will I kill all of the fungus gnat larvae and wipe out the fish at the same
time? Lots of ways to kill flies, but they usually kill fish too. I would
love to try this if there is anyone who has already tried it w/o detrement
to the fish.
Thanks.....Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Evans"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Fungus Gnats
Bacillus thuringiensis israelensis -BTI - is for mosquitoes, fungus
gnats, and blackflies.... look out for the inert ingredients tho, might
not be helpful to fish or other friendlies in a system.
.. most any well rounded ag/greenhouse supply ought to have some info
... or the product itself.
bille
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:40:15 -0600
Me too,
I thought the fungus gnat was harmless. Someone, on this list, told me that.
(Who are you?? Fess up!!) Well nothing teaches like experience I guess.
I had a bed of Red Sails lettuce I was trying to grow and they did very,
very poorly. So, just today, I pulled them out. They were very easy to
pull..........NO ROOTS!! And I still have billions of these gnats. I'm
going to try some of that B.T. stuff, but I just read on the list that it is
only good for caterpillar larvae. Does anyone have any input on this before
I go out and spend money on yet something else that doesn't work?
I still want to try a "bug zapper". I believe they are photolithic.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
Thanks folks,
Upon further investigation I have had to conclude that my plants are
infested, and that I will await the next nitrate/Phosphate tests before
spraying them with some Bt products.
Thank you all in the brainstorming of this one. I have learnt quite a
fewthings on fungus gnats, which I didnt know before... and there I was
thinking they were all "harmless". Thanks again to the greatest group I
know on the web.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mike the maggots (a moth caterpillar) mine the inside of the Hyacinths
> leaf starting at the water level and working up in a sort of fan type of
> damage then causing a rot which attracts fungus nats (a microsmall fly
> or fruit flys) which lay eggs and hatch into other fly maggots which eat
> the dead spots or create more damage yet. All 3 can be controlled by the
> Bacillus Thurencis spelling? quite effectivly. The moth that starts
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Channel vs bed
From: "Tony Cooper"
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 18:56:01 -0800
Juan C. Bobeda Wrote:
> Tony,
> Thanks for your detailed information. How often do you have to clean your
> clarifier? Have you ever considered digesting the solids retained in the
> clarifier in a small anaerobic tank?
> How many channels does your system have and what is the water flow in each
> channel?
> I would also like to know the size of your fish tank.
> The reason I am asking so many questions is that I am about to start an
> aquaponic system and am trying to learn as much as possible about the
different
> setups.
> We have a very hot climate here in Paraguay and I am kind of concerned
about the
> temperature in the media and if it might affect the plant growth.
> Juan C. Bobeda
Juan,
I clean the clarifier every week or two, skim off the solids.
Not worth digesting as the amount is small.
I have two bed modules to one tank, six channels per module. I have two
tanks about 1800 liters per tank.
The water flow just trickles from 1/4" hose 15 minutes per hour in the day
less at night, using a 24hour, 96 pin timer.
Tony.
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:52:21 -0500
All seriousness aside Ted, what prawn density do you plan for your prawn
garden? It was the lure of growing fresh water prawns that got me
interested in aquaculture again, but after a little research I came to
the conclusion that prawn culture in tanks is not very efficient. I
figured that due the the cannibalistic behavior of the males they are
better suited to pond culture where bottom surface area is not at such a
premium. I don't remember the source but 1 prawn per sq. meter is what
I remember. Have you discovered a new breed of prawn that is only
concerned with the peaceful conversion of feed into tasty meat and have
agreed to lay down their pinchers in the name of world hunger and tank
culture peace? If you have I'm ready to hop in the truck and make the
long journey from Florida to Texas just to see such a divine creature!
Don't forget all your friends here that love you on your way to fame and
fortune.
Your Best Friend,
Bill
My reality check just bounced
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>
> TGTX wrote:
>
> > Me like prawn.
> >
> > Ted
>
> -- Had me laughing hard and loud in the still tropical night here
> mon...me like prawn two ...
>
>
> Mike..
> still giggling..
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:41:51 -0600
> All seriousness aside Ted, what prawn density do you plan for your prawn
> garden? It was the lure of growing fresh water prawns that got me
> interested in aquaculture again, but after a little research I came to
> the conclusion that prawn culture in tanks is not very efficient.
Yes, and that is why I said I would not attempt to make a business around
intensive prawn culture in the greenhouse. I have heard numbers fly about,
such as 1.75 square feet per animal, which is a bit more dense than your 1
sq.meter per animal figure. I just want a few to occupy the bottom of some
tanks, and throw some out into the stock tank outdoors and see what happens.
The outdoor pond is where I might realize the big harvest. First I have to
buy the land that the pond is on. That is my long term goal, along with
building another pond nearby with better fill and drain capabilities.
When I say prawns, I mean Macrobrachium rosenbergii, the Malaysian species.
Oh, and also, there is a local, native prawn here in Texas that lives in the
San Marcos River (A spring fed system with fairly constant water
temperature), which is Macrobrachium carcinus. But I don't think Joedy and
them guys at Parks and Wildlife would look kindly upon any efforts to
harvest them from the wild in the San Marcos River, and then set up a
captive breeding population on my homestead. 'Cause they might escape here
on the prairie, go on a hitchhiking tour, and thus make their way back to
the San Marcos River. Go figure. Just kiddin...y'all.
I don't consider the Australian Crayfish as "Prawns", in my wee lexicon. I
really think I will go with the Red Claw, too..... Sounds like Yabbies
(Cherax destructor), and the Marron, Cherax whatchamacallit, are going to be
ruled out. So maybe Red Claw and the Malaysian prawn will be the bottom
dwellers in my greenhouse raceways and tanks in polyculture with
fish.........We'll see. It'll be fun...Maybe I'll get some local crayfish
genes mixed with Red Claw genes and in a decade or two we'll have Tedzo's
Texas Organic Freshwater Lobster Farm, Inc. climbing up the NASDAQ charts
(AQ standing for Aquaculture). The mind boggles...
Submerged aquatic vegetation may be one culture aid for these arthropods,
that is, to help reduce losses due to territorial competion among the males.
More cover for those testosterone-poisoned chaps to hid in. I have
snorkeled in the San Marcos River and caught brief glimpses of what I
thought was M. carcinus, nestled amongst the undulating vegetation in the
crystal clear flowing spring water, while a "Rio Grande Perch" , which is a
blue-grey cichlid, kinda like a Tilapia.... floats by.......It's a beautiful
thing.
Later.
Ted
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:51:11 -0600
Last time I checked, carp are still the number one finfish around the world
in aquaculture. Go to a fine hotel in Prague, Czechloslovakia and you are
likely to find them on the menu. Heck, if you can smoke mullet and make it
taste halfway decent (I actually acquired a taste for smoked mullet on
crackers as an hor'doerv at happy hour in my Aunt's Florida "sun room") ,
then you can certainly do some things with carp. It tends to be fattier
than the Centrarchids (bass, walleye, sunfish, etc.), which, if you are
worried about such things, can represent a little more body burden of
residual chlordane and other persistent organochlorine pesticides, if you
catch them from the wild, and it has intermuscular bones that can be a
problem in the fillet, but I would challenge y'all to "Consider the
Carp"....which is a title of a Texas Parks and Wildlife pamphlet that you
can order at their website, I do believe. Or, you might ask Joedy Gray
about that little brochure. Maybe he could send you a copy.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
> Hi Bruce,
>
> What do you mean "they taste as good as tilapia when fixed right"?
>
> I'm just waiting for my pond to totally unfreeze so I can evacuate the
fish
> I want and kill the rest because I have Mirror Carp in there. Are you
trying
> to say that there is some benefit or way to prepare these things so they
are
> not only palatable, but tasty?
>
> I'd sure like for you to respond to this.
>
> Thanks......Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Schreiber"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
>
>
> Mirror Carp, Israeli Carp ,Big head Carp.
> Carp are the big stand by fish of China and Europe and have been used
> for Aquaculture for at least 10,000 years in China. They are very
> productive and HARDY. They also taste at least as good as Tilapia when
> fixed right
> Bruce
>
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:10:29 -0500
Ted,
The thought of growing Macrobrachium rosenbergii and Redclaw for my own
consumption fascinates me. But because I have yet to set up my first
system and kill anything in the process that dream is way off. For now
I'll be focusing on Tilapia or Ken's hybrid Blue Gill. We too have a
fresh water shrimp in our ponds around here. I have no idea what their
real name is, but I've heard people call them "Grass Shrimp". They are
very small, very clear/transparent, and have small pincher on long arms
(legs?) much the way the Macrobrachium rosenbergii do. I first
discovered them in my pond when dipping with a 5 gallon bucket for
minnows and tadpoles for the boys to grow. Never did get any tadpoles
but we kept the minnows and shrimp alive in an aquarium for a while, it
was fun. Please keep us posted on your progress.
Bill
TGTX wrote:
>
> > All seriousness aside Ted, what prawn density do you plan for your prawn
> > garden? It was the lure of growing fresh water prawns that got me
> > interested in aquaculture again, but after a little research I came to
> > the conclusion that prawn culture in tanks is not very efficient.
>
> Yes, and that is why I said I would not attempt to make a business around
> intensive prawn culture in the greenhouse. I have heard numbers fly about,
> such as 1.75 square feet per animal, which is a bit more dense than your 1
> sq.meter per animal figure. I just want a few to occupy the bottom of some
> tanks, and throw some out into the stock tank outdoors and see what happens.
> The outdoor pond is where I might realize the big harvest. First I have to
> buy the land that the pond is on. That is my long term goal, along with
> building another pond nearby with better fill and drain capabilities.
>
> When I say prawns, I mean Macrobrachium rosenbergii, the Malaysian species.
> Oh, and also, there is a local, native prawn here in Texas that lives in the
> San Marcos River (A spring fed system with fairly constant water
> temperature), which is Macrobrachium carcinus. But I don't think Joedy and
> them guys at Parks and Wildlife would look kindly upon any efforts to
> harvest them from the wild in the San Marcos River, and then set up a
> captive breeding population on my homestead. 'Cause they might escape here
> on the prairie, go on a hitchhiking tour, and thus make their way back to
> the San Marcos River. Go figure. Just kiddin...y'all.
>
> I don't consider the Australian Crayfish as "Prawns", in my wee lexicon. I
> really think I will go with the Red Claw, too..... Sounds like Yabbies
> (Cherax destructor), and the Marron, Cherax whatchamacallit, are going to be
> ruled out. So maybe Red Claw and the Malaysian prawn will be the bottom
> dwellers in my greenhouse raceways and tanks in polyculture with
> fish.........We'll see. It'll be fun...Maybe I'll get some local crayfish
> genes mixed with Red Claw genes and in a decade or two we'll have Tedzo's
> Texas Organic Freshwater Lobster Farm, Inc. climbing up the NASDAQ charts
> (AQ standing for Aquaculture). The mind boggles...
>
> Submerged aquatic vegetation may be one culture aid for these arthropods,
> that is, to help reduce losses due to territorial competion among the males.
> More cover for those testosterone-poisoned chaps to hid in. I have
> snorkeled in the San Marcos River and caught brief glimpses of what I
> thought was M. carcinus, nestled amongst the undulating vegetation in the
> crystal clear flowing spring water, while a "Rio Grande Perch" , which is a
> blue-grey cichlid, kinda like a Tilapia.... floats by.......It's a beautiful
> thing.
>
> Later.
>
> Ted
| Message 11
Subject: Huge Image File
From: "Dean Moore"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:25:54 -0300
To the listowner and members,
I was quite shocked to receive a huge Aquaponics Digest today of 288KB,
including some huge (apparently an image of some sort) message No. 11. I
have enjoyed reading the messages daily and have received some excellent
tips and advice from these. However, I live in a third world country and
my only access to the internet and email is through a cellphone that
operates at 9600bps at best. I am sorry that I cannot tolerate receiving
such huge files and I am also surprised that the listowner did not prevent
that huge file from being posted. I also must pay cellular charges by the
minute and ALSO a long distance per-minute charge just to connect. So
today I will be sadly unsubscribing from the list. Perhaps I can join
again in a few weeks when and if I get a new faster wireless "always on"
service. The person who posted that huge message No. 11 must really be an
ignorant, inconsiderate person to do such a thing.
Dean
| Message 12
Subject: Unsubscribe
From: "James Buffham"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:58:46 -0700
please unsubscribe me please.
_________________________________________________________________
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Huge Image File
From: Jim S
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:14:15 -0600
Or maybe made an honest mistake.... And apologized, as you'll see by the
time you see this if you're still around.
Looks like someone stopped reading at message 11. You should've read
message 13.. The again if you were using a web based messaging system
you could screen messages before downloading. I use Endymion Mailman to
read my email from my wireless handheld when in the field..
Jim
Dean Moore wrote:
>
> To the listowner and members,
>
> I was quite shocked to receive a huge Aquaponics Digest today of 288KB,
> including some huge (apparently an image of some sort) message No. 11.
> The person who posted that huge message No. 11 must really be an
> ignorant, inconsiderate person to do such a thing.
>
> Dean
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 10:41:20 -0600 (CST)
Steve
To cook a carp as i first found out from Euell Gibbons in 1963
method is every thing. The main reason most folks didn't like them was
all of the small Y bones .
First skin the fish, then taking a large pinch,where the meat is the
thickest,work your fingers and thumb into the flesh until you hit the
median bones,then work your fingers and thumb together and rip off a
handful of meat Useing this method ,you will get 2 or 3 good sized
chunks of flesh from each side of the fish. Then heat a pot of vegetable
shortening ,rub the pieces of fish with salt and drop them into the hot
fat.Cook to a golden brown , Great top noch eating
Also they are very good smoked in the spring you just fillet them,brine
for a few days and place them on your smoking racks just like my Salmon.
Also you can cut the fillets into 1inch by 1/2inch pieces and pickle
them up in any pickling recipe and they are just like pickeled Herring
.I've don this allot with both Carp, Red horse suckers and small pan
fish in my wild food classes in the past and they are very Very good.The
bones just desolve sort of like when you would can them. Oh you can can
them to they tast like canned red Salmon .
I think any Euopean cook book will be full of Carp recipes .Over
there Carp are cooked as a Christmass supper main course
Bruce
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:15:41 -0600 (CST)
Steve every one
The B/T works on the grubworm stage of all
Flies,moths,butterflies,beatles etc.etc.
and i think mosquitos to . B/T works by being eaten by the maggot as its
eating whatever it eats, the B/T spore then begins to convert the Grub
worm into a B/T factory and the maggot worm stops eating, ending your
damage
Its the B/T gene that is inserted into the new gene modified Corn that
was all over the news last summer maybe causing a major Monarch
butterfly die off that every was so concerned about .It cant hurt you
unless you go thru a grub worm stage in your development so don't worry
Bruce
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Fungus Gnats
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:21:41 -0600 (CST)
Steve BT is absolutly safe on fish
Bruce
| Message 17
Subject: Re: barley straw/nitrates/nitrites
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:50:55 -0600 (CST)
This is one of those things where every body is trying to reinvent the
wheal it was used for along time to keep ponds clear of weeds so you
could actually get a hook in the water in the summer and catch some fish
and its always worked .Use any straw and spread it around , Maybe ad
redclaw crawfish they'll eat it .
So in your pond Just do it!
I think that if you use it about 1 month before harvest time you
will find that you will not have a muddy flavor in your fish. Just a
hunch
Bruce
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/08/01
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:29:13 -0600 (CST)
Dean it depends on were you live and your local out doors water temps.
But in general Carp will out pace Tilapia on all counts because the Carp
will start growing sooner and at a lower temp. One that would be fatal
to the Tilapia and then start to grow explosively at water temps that
are necessary for Tilapia survival. So you see really the Carp don't
cost as much at a pound per pound basis to grow with the HIGH COST OF
HEATING being what it is and the Israelis have developed
some very bone free strains
Bruce
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Channel vs bed
From: "Juan C. Bobeda"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 14:42:12 -0400
Thanks Tony. Are you raising tilapia or some other local fish?
Juan
Tony Cooper wrote:
> Juan C. Bobeda Wrote:
> > Tony,
> > Thanks for your detailed information. How often do you have to clean your
> > clarifier? Have you ever considered digesting the solids retained in the
> > clarifier in a small anaerobic tank?
> > How many channels does your system have and what is the water flow in each
> > channel?
> > I would also like to know the size of your fish tank.
> > The reason I am asking so many questions is that I am about to start an
> > aquaponic system and am trying to learn as much as possible about the
> different
> > setups.
> > We have a very hot climate here in Paraguay and I am kind of concerned
> about the
> > temperature in the media and if it might affect the plant growth.
> > Juan C. Bobeda
>
> Juan,
> I clean the clarifier every week or two, skim off the solids.
> Not worth digesting as the amount is small.
> I have two bed modules to one tank, six channels per module. I have two
> tanks about 1800 liters per tank.
> The water flow just trickles from 1/4" hose 15 minutes per hour in the day
> less at night, using a 24hour, 96 pin timer.
> Tony.
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:04:46 -0600
> .I've don this allot with both Carp, Red horse suckers and small pan
> fish in my wild food classes in the past and they are very Very good.The
> bones just desolve sort of like when you would can them. Oh you can can
> them to they tast like canned red Salmon .
> I think any Euopean cook book will be full of Carp recipes .Over
> there Carp are cooked as a Christmass supper main course
> Bruce
Red horse suckers are reportedly excellent tasting. I'm trying to remember
the genus and species....Is that Moxostoma congestum?.....What am I thinking
of here??? Man, my memory is shot to swiss cheese..
Ted
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: Michael Olson
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:08:35 -0800 (PST)
Ted,
Rather than too many holes, maybe you are suffering
from "maxomus cranium congestum"??
> Red horse suckers are reportedly excellent tasting.
> I'm trying to remember
> the genus and species....Is that Moxostoma
> congestum?.....What am I thinking
> of here??? Man, my memory is shot to swiss cheese..
>
> Ted
>
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| Message 22
Subject: Re: Fungus Gnats
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:35:51 -0600
> Steve BT is absolutly safe on fish
> Bruce
>
I can confirm that. I spot sprayed with BT ("totally organic" acceptable
BT) to deal with the worms and some of it got on the gravel beds. No fish
problemos......
Ted
| Message 23
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:48:48 -0600
> Ted,
> Rather than too many holes, maybe you are suffering
> from "maxomus cranium congestum"??
Touche' old man.
Indeed....thanks doctor... I needed that....
Time site down, adopt that vacant stare that my wife knows all too well, try
to relax in my lawn chair.... in the newly built add-on greenhouse, (it's
really lookin good compared to the "before" picture) and completely empty
the old dust bin between the ear lobes until I can hear the loose marbles
rattling around again..... Here of late, my grey matter has been like
Austin traffic....ugh!
Cheers!!
Y'all have a good weekend!!
Ted
| Message 24
Subject: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "JAlan Aufderheide"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:41:51 -0000
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First of all thanks to everyone for being so patient with newbies.
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including the purchase of some Tilapia at Safeway.
It was ceratinly edible, but disappointing due to its "fishy" taste.
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if Tilapia are handled properly, can you eliminate the "fishy" taste? =
I, for one, would raise Tilapia if the taste I experienced were normal.
Thaks in advance for your feedback. Keep up the dialog. It's great!
Jay
P.S. Additional thanks to Paula for keeping things going!!
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| Message 25
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:18:25 -0500
JAlan Aufderheide
At 04:41 PM 3/10/01 -0000, you wrote:
> First of all thanks to everyone for being so patient with newbies.
I don't eat fish....however I've eaten fresh tilapia to try it out. It
has no flavor. That's why it's so popular with chefs. Either it was
raised improperly or it was old fish. ...Emmett
| Message 26
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:52:16 -0600
> I don't eat fish....however I've eaten fresh tilapia to try it out. It
> has no flavor. That's why it's so popular with chefs. Either it was
> raised improperly or it was old fish. ...Emmett
Well, of course I must disagree, since fresh, clean Tilapia flesh has a
certain mellow, clean, flavor.... if you have the taste buds....without
adding anything to it at all....
But the strong "fishy" taste that many complain about for any seafood
product at the mass market grocery store, is due, Emmett, to what you have
referred to....a few days on the boat, a few days on the truck, a few days
in the locker in the back of the store...this makes for the old taste.....
Fresh fish right out of the water is delicious, not overly fishy.... as
anyone who has caught and cooked fresh fish, or grown them in the
greenhouse, has experienced........
Are you Experienced?
Tedzo.
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "David E. McCall"
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:20:39 -0800 (PST)
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:41:51 -0000, aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com wrote:
> First of all thanks to everyone for being so patient with newbies.
>
> Second of all thanks for just generally being so willing to share. I
have been reading (and growing, pun intended) with interest.
>
> I have not yet made the leap into aquaponics from hydroponics but have
been devouring (pun intended) everything I can get my hands on . . .
including the purchase of some Tilapia at Safeway.
>
> It was ceratinly edible, but disappointing due to its "fishy" taste.
>
> Is this the off taste that you guys have been talking about? In fact,
if Tilapia are handled properly, can you eliminate the "fishy" taste? I,
for one, would raise Tilapia if the taste I experienced were normal.
>
> Thaks in advance for your feedback. Keep up the dialog. It's great!
>
> Jay
>
> P.S. Additional thanks to Paula for keeping things going!!
It is a fish. You want it to taste like chicken?
David_E._McCall 'at' Excite.com
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| Message 28
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:38:42 -0500
At 06:52 PM 3/10/01 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Well, of course I must disagree, since fresh, clean Tilapia flesh has a
>certain mellow, clean, flavor.... if you have the taste buds....without
>adding anything to it at all....
>
>>Fresh fish right out of the water is delicious, not overly fishy.... as
>anyone who has caught and cooked fresh fish, or grown them in the
>greenhouse, has experienced........
>
>Are you Experienced?
>
>Tedzo.
>
>Yes Ted I am. If you consider catching 99(wish it were 100) snook in one
day in Pine Island Sound. Or my first fish, 55 years ago, age 6, in
Minnesota. My friends say they're thankful they don't have my tastebuds.
They're too keen.
I don't like snook, don't like grouper, mackerel (which I've gone down to
the beach one Sunday morn because my wife wanted some for
breakfast...poached),shrimp, lobster (rock or Florida), octopus,mudbugs,
calimari, gator, rattlesnake, crab (c'mon down..blue crab from our clear
waters, all you can eat, $16.95). They're held in holding tanks behind the
restaurant while awaiting their demise. I take the snowbirds there. They're
asked how many they want and the chef goes out and picks them out. Then
during the meal the waitress keeps coming back and asking how many more. I
finish my fried chicken and spend the next three hours sipping Buds while
my friends crack, pick, and suck the crab.
I dislike fish so much that on a business trip to Portugal, some years ago,
I thought I'd starve to death.
Of course I ate fish in Basic Training. It was a 3X4X1/2 brown thing. I was
starving. I would have eat'n two if they let me.
By the way I don't like conch or abalone either.
I don't like frog's legs. I've tried sea squirts, don't like them either.
Of course I've been subject to much ridicule. Heck everybody likes
seafood. The ridicule ends when I tell the semmolier(?) that he's poured
the wrong wine or that the spice we're told flavoring the lamb chops is
incorrect.
And, as always, there is the exception that proves the rule. I do like
salmon smoked with alder. And a dear friend goes far offshore(100 miles)
and catches dolphin. He smokes them with (preservationist-environmentilists
shudder here) mangrove wood. Smoked dolphin is better than turkey. There.
You see there is some fish I will eat (the phraseology reminds me of what
ee cummings wouldn't).
Walleye and bluegills (brim)are firmer than tilapia. It's just that I don't
particularly like fish. Geez my poor ol' Mom liked rutabagas and I forgave
her for that.
And I forgave my family and friends for eating the 3, 17 pound bluefish I
caught off Oregon Inlet, NC(even though I cut out the red line). Yuk.
Everyone else said it was wonderful.
Well my tilapia are fed grains that I have shipped down from Vermont.
Organically certified soybean meal and cracked corn (plus a few top-secret
additives like brewers yeast..amino's ya know..and basil).
They live in water from the Florida aquifer, 110 feet down, clear and
delicious.
I haven't tried my own yet. But I will. And will with an open mind. BUT. I
HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
The reason I got into aquaponics is to bring fresh, organic tomatoes to the
market. I don't like raw tomatoes (neither does my partner).
God bless Tedzo,
Emmett
PS. I know Adriana is reading this nonsense. Guess what? I have no
intention in hanging around for the Cajun Style, Crawfish Boil, Friday
evening.
.....Em
PPS: I don't like oysters or clams either.
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