Aquaponics Digest - Sun 03/11/01
Message 1: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 2: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "TGTX"
Message 3: Mangroves
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 4: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 7: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "TGTX"
Message 8: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from Brian Gracia
Message 9: Re: Mangroves
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 10: Re: Mangroves
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 11: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 12: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 13: Re: Mangroves
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 14: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 15: introductions
from chaOS
Message 16: Re: introductions
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 17: Re: introductions
from LHaver1038 'at' aol.com
Message 18: Channel vs bed
from "Tony Cooper"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 05:54:33 -0600 (CST)
Ted I don't think it matters as to what speice that our red horses are
but you asked so its one of the Moxostomas valenciennesi or carinatum
.About tax time i just walk out in to the river during their spring
spawning run below the dam and catch them with my bare hands. They sort
of stack up behind some brush in current 5 or 6 males to a female
bumping into one another and don't notice that one of them is a freak
fish with a thumb and five fingers. I just start at the back of the line
and sort of rub my fingers up the fish coping a feel until i get to the
gills and then i grab hold of them there one handed. In fact i have
caught 2 at a time one in each hand but i get tired of throwing them to
my bagger on shore after a short while so we take about 5 hundred lbs..
I pickle about 50lbs. and my Great Uncle pressure cooks and canned the
rest as a cheap dog food that tastes like canned pink salmon .I think
that i said red salmon before but there is a distinct difference. I had
to be careful not to knock him into the river with a fish as i tossed
them up on the bank I sure mis that old goat. Bruce
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:02:32 -0600
> And, as always, there is the exception that proves the rule. I do like
> salmon smoked with alder. And a dear friend goes far offshore(100 miles)
> and catches dolphin. He smokes them with
(preservationist-environmentilists
> shudder here) mangrove wood. Smoked dolphin is better than turkey.
Whoa! I'm salivatin' like Pavlov's dog. I love mahi-mahi.....and that is
basically what dolphin is, right?. I like Ling, too. I guess it's all in
the fixins and the taste buds..
Really enjoyed your post, sir, but I am just one of those that just loves
about any kind of seafood.....octopus or squid I am not so fond of.....they
are like onion rings made out of rubber bands....again, I guess there are
ways to tenderize them by beating the heck out of them with a mallet on the
rocky shore, but I havn't had the pleasure of finding a chef, so far, that
knows how to do that properly, if it is even possible.
Good luck with your feed and Tilapia project. Sounds great.
Peace and Love,
Ted
| Message 3
Subject: Mangroves
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:48:45 -0600 (CST)
Is there some one out there that lives close to the southern sea coast
and could send me some Mangrove seeds, and some salt water marsh mud?
Bruce
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:34:21 -0600
Hi Bruce,
Thanks again for the info. I will definately be trying the B/T. I've enjoyed
about all of the fungus gnats I want to enjoy.
YT........Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn
Steve every one
The B/T works on the grubworm stage of all
Flies,moths,butterflies,beatles etc.etc.
and i think mosquitos to . B/T works by being eaten by the maggot as its
eating whatever it eats, the B/T spore then begins to convert the Grub
worm into a B/T factory and the maggot worm stops eating, ending your
damage
Its the B/T gene that is inserted into the new gene modified Corn that
was all over the news last summer maybe causing a major Monarch
butterfly die off that every was so concerned about .It cant hurt you
unless you go thru a grub worm stage in your development so don't worry
Bruce
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:41:04 -0600
Or maybe "C.R.S". I hear that is rather prevalent as we get older. I seem to
have a mild form of it myself. :)
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Olson"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Cold Water Herbivores....
Ted,
Rather than too many holes, maybe you are suffering
from "maxomus cranium congestum"??
> Red horse suckers are reportedly excellent tasting.
> I'm trying to remember
> the genus and species....Is that Moxostoma
> congestum?.....What am I thinking
> of here??? Man, my memory is shot to swiss cheese..
>
> Ted
>
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| Message 6
Subject: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:03:27 -0600
WOW,
And I am trying to be so good and not say anything of a controversial
nature. I just want to be a "fly on the wall". I'm just recovering from the
"hydroponics" thing and some folks bring up the "fishy" taste of Tilapia.
Well, here is where I will probably lose the rest of the few remaining
friends on this list.
I have had a love/hate relationship with Tilapia for the last 16 months. I
have bred them, killed thousands of them due to my lack of experience, sold
them (with lackluster results), ate them, promoted them because most people
have never heard of them, blah, blah.
During this same time frame, I have raised catfish, perch and bluegills in
my pond. I cannot supply the demand for these. I have given away Tilapia and
people won't even try them.Now the kicker is, I DON'T LIKE THEM! I would
much prefer a walleye, perch or bluegill. I have even paid $5.00/lb for
commercial Tilapia in the store just to try them.....and I still don't like
them. (As a matter of fact, I'm going to have a huge fish fry just to get
rid of them.)
Interesting point that I brought up before: I was cruising my local
supermarket a few months ago and noticed a fish that was selling for
(HONEST-TO-GOD) $9.99/lb. Was it Mako Shark, was it Abilone, was it Orange
Roughy.......NO! It was Blue Gill fillets. I asked the grocer if he was
actually able to sell these. He said that he was not only able to sell all
he could get, he just couldn't enough.
Sorry guys, don't mean to P.O. anybody, but I'm sure that I will get a lot
of flak from this about how wonderful Tilapia taste.
But, I will be doing Bluegill hybrids & hybrid Striped Bass this year
because I know there is a ready market.
(I have to stick this in. I haven't done this before. I was afraid to. There
is a local Chinese market in Milwaukee and at least one in Chicago that is
selling Tilapia fillets for $1.78/lb. I can't compete with this. There is a
facility in upper Wisconsin that is breeding and will be selling Tilapia by
the hundreds of thousands of pounds. I'm afraid that Tilapia is fixing to be
the "fried chicken" of the fish industry and I'm bailing out.)
There is still a huge market for bluegills, hybrid striped bass and perch.
For Now.
O.K. Go ahead. Shoot me. Kill me. I'm ready.
Really, very sorry guys,
Steve
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:41:03 -0600
> During this same time frame, I have raised catfish, perch and bluegills in
> my pond. I cannot supply the demand for these. I have given away Tilapia
and
> people won't even try them.Now the kicker is, I DON'T LIKE THEM! I would
> much prefer a walleye, perch or bluegill. I have even paid $5.00/lb for
> commercial Tilapia in the store just to try them.....and I still don't
like
> them. (As a matter of fact, I'm going to have a huge fish fry just to get
> rid of them.)
Well Steve, I will say this. I like Tilapia.
But I think I like walleye the best of all those you listed above.
I really do like sunfish (bluegill) too. Ken's hybrid sunfish or Georgia
Giant is a species I am eager to try to grow and prepare for my family's and
friend's dinner tables.
So, I would say I like those Centrarchids that you listed, better than I
like Tilapia...generally speaking. But I still like to eat Tilapia. It's
just different, to me, compared with the others.....not unpleasant at all.
The flesh can be too soft sometimes depending on the shelf life or time
since harvest and the way it is cooked......But generally, my opinion is
that it is very mild and pleasant tasting.
Know what I like the most though? Having a big ole' plate and a big ole'
table, with many different kinds of fish and shrimp, etc., to sample along
with a good meal....some wine, some bread, a good salad, homemade salsa,
stuffed jalapenos, some steamed veggies and rice or spuds, corn on the cob,
a handful of family and friends around the table...laughin' and
talkin'...Man, it's all good....
Tedzo
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: Brian Gracia
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:47:14 -0600
Steve,
Don't apologize for not liking something. If it doesn't sell in your area,
then raise something that does. I for one can't say that Tilapia tastes
good or not because I have never tried it. But put a plate of catfish,
bass, crapie, red fish, spec. trout on the table, and you better not be
standing between me and that table!!!
Just Go For It Steve!!!
Brian
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Mangroves
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:58:31 -0500
At 08:48 AM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Is there some one out there that lives close to the southern sea coast
>and could send me some Mangrove seeds, and some salt water marsh mud?
> Bruce
>
>Interesting request. Somewhere the old brain cells recollect that
successful mangrove seeds are rare. Kinda like banana seeds. Conditions
have to be perfect. There are so many seeds that some have to be
successful. I hope to be in dense mangrove country in a couple of months.
If I see any seeds floating around I'll grab them.
I don't think you need the mud. They'll grow on rocky areas. Water depth
and salinity, I believe, are most important.
I'll print a copy of your request and my reply and stick them in my tackle
box.
.....Emmett
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Mangroves
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:33:03 -0600 (CST)
Emmett thanks i am going to use Mangroves as a nutrient sink on my salt
water coral farm systems and the mud is for a refugium filter to test
against the mangroves. I don't have the green house set up for it yet
but will start it soon.
The mangrove seeds drift horizontally until reaching fresh or brackish
water and then turn down to root ,They are viable for about two years
in the salt water but must find fresher water to sprout .
Bruce
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:36:25 EST
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Steve, I am sure you are right about the future of the small grower of
Tilapia as just like the small tomato grower the large hydroponic green
houses are too much competition and these growers are changing to more exotic
crops with better profit , by the way I love Tilapia and buy it from Costco
at $3-99 per pound I belive that it is the fish of the future as I see more
and more probems with sea caught fish. The future of farm bred fish is
getting brighter every day Gordon Creaser
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Steve, I am sure you are right about the future of the small grower of
Tilapia as just like the small tomato grower the large hydroponic green
houses are too much competition and these growers are changing to more exotic
crops with better profit , by the way I love Tilapia and buy it from Costco
at $3-99 per pound I belive that it is the fish of the future as I see more
and more probems with sea caught fish. The future of farm bred fish is
getting brighter every day
Gordon
Creaser
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:43:49 -0600 (CST)
Steve I like the Tilapia alright but i have noticed the same things and
i think that you are on the right trail so go for it
Bruce
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Mangroves
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:50:55 -0500
At 04:33 PM 3/11/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Emmett thanks i am going to use Mangroves as a nutrient sink on my salt
OK Bruce, we'll give it a try.>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Ref: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:03:14 -0600
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| Message 15
Subject: introductions
From: chaOS
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:41:41 -0500 (EST)
Hello all.
I've been reading this list for a few weeks now, and I've always found it
to be a good read , full of some very interesting and intelligent people
and some varied conversation.
I wanted to solicit some advice about small scale aquaponics systems. The
system I am developing consists of two buckets, one of them holding about
40 quarts of water and the other about 20 quarts. The water is exchanged
between the two, with the smaller bucket holding a number of
biolfiltration entities. On top of these buckets is going to be a series of
winding, interconnected pvc pipes which will be the grow bed for my
plants. I plan on growing basil and eventually some determinate tomatoes.
What I would like to know from folk are:
*In what kind of medium is it good to start seeds? I am currently planning
on using vermiculite in a mesh lined rack with good drainage over a 12
quart bucket, watering every once in a while, kept under a grow light. I
don't have a lot of money at my disposal, so anything I can salvage or get
from people is what I use, and vermiculite happens to be what I have
right now.
*About what time is it good to put a seeding in the grow bed? How will I
keep the seedlings from moving in the growbed?
*Can anyone recommend a good water/nutrient monitoring method, preferably
computer based?
The goal of this project is to attempt to design a system which can be
inclosed in a way to mount in the back of a vehicle for people who live
on the road. Any technomads on the list?
Thanks!
chaos
| Message 16
Subject: Re: introductions
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:17:03 -0600
Dear Chaos (you sound like my 16-year old son...:>))
I would recommend perlite over vermiculite. Vermiculite is too wet
and can smother the roots over time.
> *In what kind of medium is it good to start seeds? I am currently
planning
> on using vermiculite in a mesh lined rack with good drainage over a
12
> quart bucket, watering every once in a while,
You can actually seed directly into your growing beds, otherwise, for
things loke tomatoes, transplant when you have your second set of
true leaves.
> *About what time is it good to put a seeding in the grow bed? How
will I
> keep the seedlings from moving in the growbed?
| Message 17
Subject: Re: introductions
From: LHaver1038 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:14:54 EST
One of the leading experts in aquaponics is John Reid, A Hampshire Grad. His
"farm" is in Amherst, MA. Probably the best way to get an understanding of
what is going on.
Lance Haver
| Message 18
Subject: Channel vs bed
From: "Tony Cooper"
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:41:15 -0800
Juan C. Bobeda wrote:
>Thanks Tony. Are you raising tilapia or some other local fish?
Juan,
I am raising Tilapia, they are very popular here and lots of suppliers of
monosex fry at low prices.
Definitely recommended for aquaponics but be sure to purge them in clean
water for 1 to 2 days before selling or eating the full size fish.
Tony.
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