Aquaponics Digest - Tue 03/13/01
Message 1: Use of FRITZ ZYME #360 GRAVEL CLEANER
from John Ramsey
Message 2: Gnatrol
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: WHEW!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: WHEW!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from "Devon Williams"
Message 7: cull potatoes
from Don Longenecker
Message 8: Indonesian subscribers
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 9: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from "TGTX"
Message 10: Re: fish price per lb.
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 11: aqua personal websites
from Kilers 'at' aol.com
Message 12: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn / Re: Use of FRITZ ZYME
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: Re: fish price per lb.
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 14: Re: aqua personal websites
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
| Message 1
Subject: Use of FRITZ ZYME #360 GRAVEL CLEANER
From: John Ramsey
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:07:35 -0600
Hi gang'
I'm concerned about the build up of dead plant roots and the indigestible
organic solids from the fish waste that are accumulating in my S&S type
system. I am considering using the captioned gravel cleaner and would
like to first check it out with this you. Comments from anyone that has
experience with this product would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
John
| Message 2
Subject: Gnatrol
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:24:56 -0600
This is FYI. If anyone is interested in purchasing GNATROL for the purpose
of controlling fungus gnats. I found a source that is cheaper than the
$75/gal that was originally presented.
It is: www.homeharvest.com. It is only $49.95/gal through them. (Appears to
be the same stuff. The specs are the same.)
Later.......SS
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:36:57 -0600
Hey,
When we gonna eat? I'm sure that I will be back in the San Antonio area at
some time. We absolutely have to get together then.
Later........Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Tilapia "fishy" taste
> During this same time frame, I have raised catfish, perch and bluegills in
> my pond. I cannot supply the demand for these. I have given away Tilapia
and
> people won't even try them.Now the kicker is, I DON'T LIKE THEM! I would
> much prefer a walleye, perch or bluegill. I have even paid $5.00/lb for
> commercial Tilapia in the store just to try them.....and I still don't
like
> them. (As a matter of fact, I'm going to have a huge fish fry just to get
> rid of them.)
Well Steve, I will say this. I like Tilapia.
But I think I like walleye the best of all those you listed above.
I really do like sunfish (bluegill) too. Ken's hybrid sunfish or Georgia
Giant is a species I am eager to try to grow and prepare for my family's and
friend's dinner tables.
So, I would say I like those Centrarchids that you listed, better than I
like Tilapia...generally speaking. But I still like to eat Tilapia. It's
just different, to me, compared with the others.....not unpleasant at all.
The flesh can be too soft sometimes depending on the shelf life or time
since harvest and the way it is cooked......But generally, my opinion is
that it is very mild and pleasant tasting.
Know what I like the most though? Having a big ole' plate and a big ole'
table, with many different kinds of fish and shrimp, etc., to sample along
with a good meal....some wine, some bread, a good salad, homemade salsa,
stuffed jalapenos, some steamed veggies and rice or spuds, corn on the cob,
a handful of family and friends around the table...laughin' and
talkin'...Man, it's all good....
Tedzo
| Message 4
Subject: WHEW!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:50:50 -0600
Hi All,
I feel as if I have just dodged a "major bullet". I was even dreading coming
down to my computer and checking my mail.
I just love this last and would be lost without it, but sometimes I do allow
my "alligator mouth to overload my hummingbird a..".
Absolutely elated to know that no one is mad at me and most agree with me
(in principle anyway). I kind of felt like I was picking on the "divinity of
aquaponics" by stating that I didn't care for the Tilapia.
Will, of course, keep everyone posted (Did you have any doubts?) about how
well the bluegills do in my aquaponic system. I will be ordering them next
month.
Will also send info. (off list....because it isn't aquaponics) to anyone who
is interested on how my venture with: www.earthbox.com comes along. I should
be receiving these within a couple of weeks.
Take care all & thanks again.......Steve :)
| Message 5
Subject: Re: WHEW!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:53:50 -0600
I guess I need to learn how to type first. I mean "list" not "last".
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:50 PM
Subject: WHEW!!
Hi All,
I feel as if I have just dodged a "major bullet". I was even dreading coming
down to my computer and checking my mail.
I just love this last and would be lost without it, but sometimes I do allow
my "alligator mouth to overload my hummingbird a..".
Absolutely elated to know that no one is mad at me and most agree with me
(in principle anyway). I kind of felt like I was picking on the "divinity of
aquaponics" by stating that I didn't care for the Tilapia.
Will, of course, keep everyone posted (Did you have any doubts?) about how
well the bluegills do in my aquaponic system. I will be ordering them next
month.
Will also send info. (off list....because it isn't aquaponics) to anyone who
is interested on how my venture with: www.earthbox.com comes along. I should
be receiving these within a couple of weeks.
Take care all & thanks again.......Steve :)
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:21:18 -0500
So Ted, where do you get your FW Prawns?
Devon
>From: "TGTX"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
>Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 08:41:51 -0600
>
> > All seriousness aside Ted, what prawn density do you plan for your prawn
> > garden? It was the lure of growing fresh water prawns that got me
> > interested in aquaculture again, but after a little research I came to
> > the conclusion that prawn culture in tanks is not very efficient.
>
>Yes, and that is why I said I would not attempt to make a business around
>intensive prawn culture in the greenhouse. I have heard numbers fly about,
>such as 1.75 square feet per animal, which is a bit more dense than your 1
>sq.meter per animal figure. I just want a few to occupy the bottom of some
>tanks, and throw some out into the stock tank outdoors and see what
>happens.
>The outdoor pond is where I might realize the big harvest. First I have to
>buy the land that the pond is on. That is my long term goal, along with
>building another pond nearby with better fill and drain capabilities.
>
>When I say prawns, I mean Macrobrachium rosenbergii, the Malaysian species.
>Oh, and also, there is a local, native prawn here in Texas that lives in
>the
>San Marcos River (A spring fed system with fairly constant water
>temperature), which is Macrobrachium carcinus. But I don't think Joedy and
>them guys at Parks and Wildlife would look kindly upon any efforts to
>harvest them from the wild in the San Marcos River, and then set up a
>captive breeding population on my homestead. 'Cause they might escape here
>on the prairie, go on a hitchhiking tour, and thus make their way back to
>the San Marcos River. Go figure. Just kiddin...y'all.
>
>I don't consider the Australian Crayfish as "Prawns", in my wee lexicon. I
>really think I will go with the Red Claw, too..... Sounds like Yabbies
>(Cherax destructor), and the Marron, Cherax whatchamacallit, are going to
>be
>ruled out. So maybe Red Claw and the Malaysian prawn will be the bottom
>dwellers in my greenhouse raceways and tanks in polyculture with
>fish.........We'll see. It'll be fun...Maybe I'll get some local crayfish
>genes mixed with Red Claw genes and in a decade or two we'll have Tedzo's
>Texas Organic Freshwater Lobster Farm, Inc. climbing up the NASDAQ charts
>(AQ standing for Aquaculture). The mind boggles...
>
>Submerged aquatic vegetation may be one culture aid for these arthropods,
>that is, to help reduce losses due to territorial competion among the
>males.
>More cover for those testosterone-poisoned chaps to hid in. I have
>snorkeled in the San Marcos River and caught brief glimpses of what I
>thought was M. carcinus, nestled amongst the undulating vegetation in the
>crystal clear flowing spring water, while a "Rio Grande Perch" , which is a
>blue-grey cichlid, kinda like a Tilapia.... floats by.......It's a
>beautiful
>thing.
>
>Later.
>
>Ted
>
>
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| Message 7
Subject: cull potatoes
From: Don Longenecker
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:33:49 -0800
Does anyone have any experience using potato culls or peelings as feed
for tilapia? Any thoughts?
Don
| Message 8
Subject: Indonesian subscribers
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:23:42 -0600
Is there anyone out there living in Indonesia? I'm interested in trying the
"cabe" (sp) pepper aquaponically. Some say that the habanero is the hottest
pepper. The habanero could take lessons from the "cabe". Besides, the "cabe"
is a very tasty pepper. Excellent in beans, etc.
You can contact me off list if you wish. careplus 'at' execpc.com
Saya dulu tingaal di Indonesia. Saya bisa bercata bahasa sidikit. Teri mi
Kasi...........Steve
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:33:25 -0600
> So Ted, where do you get your FW Prawns?
> Devon
I don't grow 'em now, but I plan to eventually.
Best laid plans of prawns and men....
Again, no massive schemes to be yet another Prawn King.....I just plan to
toss a few critters in the greenhouse and perhaps the outdoor pond for
personal interests, entertainment, gustatorial specialties, and occassional
carnal excesses befitting the Edwardian landed gentry....
I may go with Craig Upstrom's Macrobrachium rosenbergii post-larvae.
Aquaculture of Texas, Inc.
4141 Fort Worth Hwy.
Weatherford, TX 76087-8610
817-594-4872
FAX: 817-732-8248
upstrom5 'at' airmail.net
Or, I might try
Sweet-Water Aqua Farms, Inc.
P.O. Box 1807
San Benito, TX 78586
210-399-2985
FAX 210-399-9677
prawnking 'at' delphi.com
But I have a list of about 30 suppliers of M. rosenbergii in various states
and countries.
For the Red Claw, I might go with
Brushy Creek Livestock Co.
Route 5, Box 374
Hallettsville, TX 77964
512-798-5841
FAX 512-798-5841
or
Chuck's Fish Farm
Rt. 1 Box 142 C
Lockhart, TX 78644
830-875-3032
or
Texas Freshwater Lobsters
6425 Tara
Rosharon, TX 77583
281-369-3552.
I have a list of about 30 or so suppliers of Red Claw, also about the globe.
Enjoy.
Ted
| Message 10
Subject: Re: fish price per lb.
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:28:57 -0600 (CST)
Carolyn in answer to your question about ornamentals MOST DEFINITLY YES
to all of your questions. The market is huge on ornamental fish and
plants and the price per lb. on the fish can be well in the excess of
$50 Bruce
| Message 11
Subject: aqua personal websites
From: Kilers 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:54:02 EST
Hello all. I was wondering if any of you had home pages with pictures of your
set up. I have been taking a few pictures of mine as I progress but not much
to show yet. Once I get my white channel cats into my cave cistern I will
post some pictures on the web.(end of the month?) I also have a question
about using aluminum gutter for channels. I am in the gutter business so I
happen to have a lot of gutter laying around. I was told that I could not use
this for aquaponic system. Could I paint the inside and still use it? Thanks
Kevin
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Hyacinth Leaf burn / Re: Use of FRITZ ZYME
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:30:05 -0800
To all interested in a follow up to my little mystery, I took a look at
the product asked about below and found out here that they WARNED
against the use of CHLORINE in the system...
With the help of this group, I was able to pinpoint an infestation and
take preventative action, which led to the TOTAL recovery of the
growbeds. The growbeds had now been 3 weeks "sick"!! They came back as
rosy and beautiful as ever. Even got a few purple blossoms... Looked
REALLY good.
Let me suggest to anyone trying to use hyacinths as a water cleaner, to
spray them with Bt products shortly after setup, so that if you have any
"swings" with polutants with threaten or weaken your beds you can
"buffer" the presence of those rotting hyacinths in your system.
The fungus gnats seem to be attracted to wet rotting material.
I was clued in to what REALLY happened when someone again IGNORED the
chlorine injector being "tagged out" and turned 10 ppt chlorine into my
system. I doubt it is something personal.. its more "sabotage" in lieu
of some industrial action... BUT IT HURTS!!!
My poor growbeds... Hyacinth MURDER!! The whole of my first growbed has
been WIPED out!! I will have to consider some type of liquid innoculant
for the system in the case of "errors" such as was done before.
Dont worry!! I have ordered the chlorine COMPLETELY removed!!
Just want to share my success and dissapointment with you, but more the
success. Virgin growth and beautiful lush green hyacinth leaves are a
beauty.. I am intrigued by the very fine almost gill-like roots of the
hyacinth, I never realised what a immense surface area these plants'
roots have until handling them recently.Has anyoneever taken the time to
look in detail at them..?? Ive become a real fan...
Took some engineering to think of all this biodiversity!!
Aquaponically..
Mike. ( in mourning..)
JAMAICA
***************************************
>From the MSD sheets on the Fritzzyme page....
***************************************
SECTION V REACTIVITY DATA
STABILITY: STABLE CONDITIONS TO AVOID: HEAT (above 110 F) COLD (beloe 32
F)
INCOMPATIBILITY (MATERIALS TO AVOID): Bactericides, oxidizers, chlorine.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION OR BYPRODUCTS: NONE KNOWN
HAZARDOUS POLYMERIZATION: WILL NOT OCCUR
CONDITIONS TO AVOID: NONE KNOWN
John Ramsey wrote:
>
> Hi gang'
Comments from anyone that has
> experience with this product would be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> John
| Message 13
Subject: Re: fish price per lb.
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:28:44 -0600
Bruce and Carolyn,
The ornamental fish market also requires some pretty specialized
expertise. I visited a large commercial koi farm in Catoctin Maryland
where I would guess that maybe one of 100 or maybe even 1 out of 1,000
fingerlings made it to market. The managers of this operation had 70
years of experience and regularly culled out fish for any
imperfections or defects in gills, fins, color, etc, etc, etc. The
culls became bait or cta food...That's why a large koi can cost
$1,500. Now, ifyou can generate a local market with less discerning
customers you may do OK. The ornamental market is big business.
There are over 200 aquaculture operations serving it in the Tampa Bay
area alone.
Adriana
> Carolyn in answer to your question about ornamentals MOST DEFINITLY
YES
> to all of your questions. The market is huge on ornamental fish and
> plants and the price per lb. on the fish can be well in the excess
of
> $50 Bruce
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: aqua personal websites
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:30:24 -0600
Kevin,
I don't know about the durability of paint applied outside of a
factory but you could line the gutters with plastic to avoid leaching
of aluminum into your water.
> I also have a question
> about using aluminum gutter for channels. I am in the gutter
business so I
> happen to have a lot of gutter laying around. I was told that I
could not use
> this for aquaponic system. Could I paint the inside and still use
it?
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