Aquaponics Digest - Fri 03/23/01
Message 1: Spirulina
from "Elisheva Ruth"
Message 2: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 3: Re: Barley straw
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 4: Re: Spirulina --- A Practical small setup for a household...?
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 5: Re: Spirulina
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 6: Re: Spirulina
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 7: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Spirulina
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 9: Re: Barley straw
from "Juan C. Bobeda"
Message 10: Re: Barley straw
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Message cut-off, was Re: Spirulina
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 13: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 14: Barley Straw
from "David Andrews"
Message 15: Gnatrol
from "Jay Myers"
Message 16: Re: Spirulina
from "Jay Myers"
Message 17: Re: Spirulina
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 18: Re: Barley Straw
from laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
| Message 1
Subject: Spirulina
From: "Elisheva Ruth"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:14:22 -0500
Suggestions for sources and instructions for spirulina cultivation?
Eli
from Israel
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>From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Spirulina --- A Practical small setup for a household...?
>Date: Fri, Mar 23, 2001, 2:30 AM
>
> Spirulina contains vital unsaturated fatty acids, including
> gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), it has many
> important minerals including potassium, calcium, zinc, magnesium,
> selenium, iron, and phosphorus,
> vitamins including B-12 and others of the B-complex, E, and beta
> carotene, digestive enzymes,
> chlorophyll, and pigments that help liver function. Ounce for ounce,
> it provides more complete protein
> than meat. This 65% easily-digested protein can in itself give a
> boost, especially given the prevalence
> of high-carbohydrate diets. Since the protein in spirulina is high
> in phenylalanine, it has also been
> used as an aid to appetite suppression and weight-loss.
>
> taken from the site....
> http://www.vitaminexpress.com/news/weight.htm
>
> Ok friends..I found out this year that I have a high cholesterol level
> due to hereditary factors, and need to supplement my diet by more
> natural things.. since this yea rIve been eating a lot more food and
> vegetables from the land based farm but looking more and more into an
> aquaponic system to grow some of my foods too. (Ive tested various parts
> but never put the whole together...)
>
> I KNOW there are some serious spirulina guys here on this list.. Any
> help to build a small spirulina setup? With my background Ill be able to
> design somethign to strain the stuff off... Sidebar, has anyone here
> ever ate duckweed? Any recipes out there? I know the protien factor here
> is high too.
>
> I AM SERIOUS this year in becoming a LEAN machine... moreover I now have
> a wife too to love.. as I love my own body.. :) so I NEED to convert.
>
> Can someone help me with ideas how to setup a sustainable setup to be
> able to harvest spirulina?
> I also need some folks to "shoot holes" in this spirulina thing if there
> are any loopholes or false claims..
>
> BTW I just did a search on Lecithin... and landed on the above site.. so
> no vested interests and I screen all I read, so judge me not for my
> presence on said site...lol..
>
> G'nite.
>
> Mike B
> JAMAICA.
>
> Thinking more and more about homesteading, getting tired of the
> "rat-race"...
>
> PS. Could the homeschoolers id themselves...Id like to ask a few
> questions.. Cheers..
>
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:18:16 -0600 (CST)
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I have been thinking about going for a look see myself it might happen
but not for a day more like a week. Bruce
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> > Dear Steve:
> > Our summertime short course includes a half day (morning) in a classroom
> > and a half day (afternoon) in the field. If you got on a plane down
> > here next week you could be an intern for as long as you like.
Sounds to me like the UVI is making an awesome offer here, no better way
to learn than by doing. I wonder what the whole internship deal is
here? I'm sure we'd have to pay for the plane trip down. But what
would room and board cost?
There
> > would be no formal classroom time and you would sweat a little more but
> > you would be harvesting fish and vegetables, feeding 3x a day, grading
> > and sorting the juveniles, installing liners in our new hydroponic
> > tanks, laying blocks for our new 55,000 gallon greenwater tank AND you
> > would have a 5:1 teacher/student ratio to tell you all the details, good
> > and bad, of our systems.
5:1 teacher/student ratio!!! I'd pay a lot sweat to get the opportunity
to pick minds at that ratio. Too bad my day job won't let me go now!
> >
> >
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: Barley straw
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:30:38 -0600 (CST)
Juan what kind of material is your grow tanks made of.Could you have
made them from a toxic material (metal or cynotreated wood)and panted
over them and the paint is starting to wear out?
Bruce
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Spirulina --- A Practical small setup for a household...?
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:15:38 -0600 (CST)
Try shallow tanks in full sun light ad water and a starter culture or
some spiralina tablets and fertilize with any thing that wont get you
sick. But maybe you should try eating a few meals of the stuff from some
one that is competent at cooking it because you might not like it.Its my
guess that its going to need some help in the taste department.You know
if you live in the tropics you could do well on a fruit diet with all of
the variety that you must have available and as for vegis and wild foods
its just got to be incredible if I ever got down there I would be in
heaven.You live on an island surrounded by salt water so grow or just
harvest the Laver(Porphyra),Rockweed(Fucus),Sea Lettuce(Ulva
Lactuca),Dulse(Rhodymenia Palmata),Irish Moss(Chondrus crispus) Straight
from the sea shore ,Jeasus you've got so much to choose from and they
are tasty. You could try a sushi bar for a taste.
Bruce
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Spirulina
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:27:22 -0800
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Schalom Eli.
Ma Schlom cha!!
I just got this from someone, and havent read it fully yet..but try it
and share how it goes...
Mike.
JAMAICA.
Schabbat Schalom.
Elisheva Ruth wrote:
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> Suggestions for sources and instructions for spirulina cultivation?
> Eli
> from Israel
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| Message 6
Subject: Re: Spirulina
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:40:07 -0800
Ouch ouch ouch and another ouch.,... this hurt...
Before anyone says anything Im TERRIBLY sorry for all the discomfort
caused by the file sent mistakenly to the group and not to Eli as
planned.
Altho I did discover the error while the file was still being sent and
pressed the "cancel" button, it seems to have still been sent
regardless.
Sorry again.
Mike.
JAMAICA
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>
> Schalom Eli.
just got this from someone, and havent read it fully yet..but try it
> and share how it goes...
>
> Mike.
> JAMAICA.
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:48:21 -0600
my thoughts exactly...or maybe 2 weeks....
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
I have been thinking about going for a look see myself it might happen
but not for a day more like a week. Bruce
| Message 8
Subject: Spirulina
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:56:10 -0800
If this is a pacifier to anyone... there is a wealth of info at this
site.. and I think an entire book is available here..FRee. online..
So lets see, hope to see each of you here for a next 70 yrs...:)
Eat right!!
See..
http://www.spirulinasource.com/algaebooks.html
Mike
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Barley straw
From: "Juan C. Bobeda"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:09:32 -0400
Bruce,
Tanks are made of brick lined with 200 micron polyethylene film. Please
remember that we started 3 years ago and had no problems until recently.
Juan
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
> Juan what kind of material is your grow tanks made of.Could you have
> made them from a toxic material (metal or cynotreated wood)and panted
> over them and the paint is starting to wear out?
> Bruce
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Barley straw
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:11:04 -0600
Hi Adrianna,
Well, Here we go!!
I just sweet-talked my local farmer into delivering 2 bales of hay. Some of
it is going to go into my aquaponics system in a cheesecloth sack (which
I'm having made as we speak.). The rest is going into my pond. I'll probably
put this into a cage system so it doesn't just sink. Hope you are right. (I
don't, as of this moment, have an algae problem. I don't know why. It just
disappeared. I am basically using the hay for nitrate/nitrite control.)
By the way, your suggestion about using Natrol is absolutely "right on". I
applied the solution yesterday 'at' 8 tblsp/gal. which is twice the recommended
rate for heavy infestation of fungus gants. Today, I noticed a "bunch" of
dead fungus gnat larvae and NO dead fish and the lettuce was still
apparently o.k.. Thanks for the info on this.
NOTE: If anyone is intersted in Natrol, don't pay the $75/gal. I found a
source for $49.95/gal.
Later & Thanks.......Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Barley straw
Juan,
What about your seeds? Are they from a different supplier or from a
new batch of seeds?
> Mike, in this case, you are absolutely right! Unless we overlooked
> something, I think we already tried all obvious solutions, so now we
> should try things not so obvious.
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:31:09 -0600
FINE BILL,
BUT my point is, let's do a course in the winter-time. That's what this is
all about.
I don't doubt Dr. J's , Donald's , commitment or anything of this nature.
I'm just saying that there are an awful lot of us who would like to take
this course in the wintertime......I just received an email from another
lurker who is interested....in a wintertime course.....I'M TRYING TO
DISASSOCIOATE MYSELF FROM THIS..........GEEZ!
I'm going to shut up now. If anyone has any further questions pls. address
them to Donald or Dr. J.
Thanks.......Steve
Original Message -----
From: "Bill Patrick"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
> > Dear Steve:
> > Our summertime short course includes a half day (morning) in a classroom
> > and a half day (afternoon) in the field. If you got on a plane down
> > here next week you could be an intern for as long as you like.
Sounds to me like the UVI is making an awesome offer here, no better way
to learn than by doing. I wonder what the whole internship deal is
here? I'm sure we'd have to pay for the plane trip down. But what
would room and board cost?
There
> > would be no formal classroom time and you would sweat a little more but
> > you would be harvesting fish and vegetables, feeding 3x a day, grading
> > and sorting the juveniles, installing liners in our new hydroponic
> > tanks, laying blocks for our new 55,000 gallon greenwater tank AND you
> > would have a 5:1 teacher/student ratio to tell you all the details, good
> > and bad, of our systems.
5:1 teacher/student ratio!!! I'd pay a lot sweat to get the opportunity
to pick minds at that ratio. Too bad my day job won't let me go now!
> >
> >
| Message 12
Subject: Message cut-off, was Re: Spirulina
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:20:38 -0600
At 11:40 AM 03/23/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>Ouch ouch ouch and another ouch.,... this hurt...
>
>Before anyone says anything Im TERRIBLY sorry for all the discomfort
>caused by the file sent mistakenly to the group and not to Eli as
>planned.
>
>Altho I did discover the error while the file was still being sent and
>pressed the "cancel" button, it seems to have still been sent
>regardless.
>Sorry again.
>
>Mike.
>JAMAICA
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Well, at least I've never....well, almost never....
I've had the ISP set our maximum message length at 20K. That should give us
lots of room to discuss posts (even Ted's very detailed ones :>), without
allowing mistakes like huge attachments to make it through. If it becomes
a problem, I can change it again, but I think that will do.
The digest length is not affected, but should be resolved through the max
size restriction in the individual posts.
Thanks
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Short Course at UVI "STEVE SPRING"
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:32:16 -0600
At 11:31 AM 03/23/2001 -0600, Steve wrote:
>FINE BILL,
>
>BUT my point is, let's do a course in the winter-time. That's what this is
>all about.
>
>I don't doubt Dr. J's , Donald's , commitment or anything of this nature.
>I'm just saying that there are an awful lot of us who would like to take
>this course in the wintertime......I just received an email from another
>lurker who is interested....in a wintertime course.....I'M TRYING TO
>DISASSOCIOATE MYSELF FROM THIS..........GEEZ!
Steve, and others, I believe when this was originally suggested, Dr. Rakocy
pointed out the problems that would be associated with their (University of
the Virgin Islands) hosting a winter course. I'm not trying to discourage
anyone, and I actually have nothing to do with any decision making UVI might
make. I can, however, relate to the logistics of trying to conduct normal
university business while educating, housing, and entertaining outsiders at
the same time.
Many universities offer summer short courses, including our own University
of Missouri at Columbia which offers a greenhouse short course every summer.
During the summer, the UVI dorms are empty for the most part (housing),
their schedules are more open (increased time to spend with the attendees),
and they can devote that time to the subject at hand (and take time for
snorkeling or whatever).
Just keep in mind that this is a not a private enterprise where the
facilities are designed with outside courses in mind.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 14
Subject: Barley Straw
From: "David Andrews"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:53:56 -0500
I agree with that someone that said that we should not be reinventing the
wheel with regard to the use of barley straw for the control of algae.
Barley straw is the only straw that works . All of the literature says
that and that is why barley straw commands a premium. Just because hay and
straw both come in bales does not mean they are the same thing, you would
not throw a cotton bale in your pond. Advocating the use of any straw or
hay will only cause unsatisfactory results and disapointment and then
reports that the use of barley straw for algae control is only a wivestale
when in fact barley straw does work if it and only it is used. Personal
experience has proven it to me and a number of neighbors with ponds that I
have provided barley straw to. Thanks for reading through my venting,
ROY
| Message 15
Subject: Gnatrol
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:57:49 -0600
Just bought 2.5 gal jug at $25/ gal. and had it shipped. Seems to work
good.
Jay
Panama City Beach, Fl.
> NOTE: If anyone is intersted in Natrol, don't pay the $75/gal. I found a
> source for $49.95/gal.
> Later & Thanks.......Steve :)
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Spirulina
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:59:34 -0600
I'm enjoying it Mike - Thanks
Jay
> Before anyone says anything Im TERRIBLY sorry for all the discomfort
> caused by the file sent mistakenly to the group and not to Eli as
> planned.
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Spirulina
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:10:36 -0800
Thanks Jay...
I needed that. Nuff said.... :)
Mike. (tiptoeing outta here...)
Jay Myers wrote:
>
> I'm enjoying it Mike - Thanks
>
> Jay
>
> > Before anyone says anything Im TERRIBLY sorry for all the discomfort
> > caused by the file sent mistakenly to the group and not to Eli as
> > planned.
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Barley Straw
From: laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:28:37 -0500
Well said Roy...
-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:46 PM
Subject: Barley Straw
>I agree with that someone that said that we should not be reinventing the
>wheel with regard to the use of barley straw for the control of algae.
>Barley straw is the only straw that works . All of the literature says
>that and that is why barley straw commands a premium. Just because hay and
>straw both come in bales does not mean they are the same thing, you would
>not throw a cotton bale in your pond. Advocating the use of any straw or
>hay will only cause unsatisfactory results and disapointment and then
>reports that the use of barley straw for algae control is only a wivestale
>when in fact barley straw does work if it and only it is used. Personal
>experience has proven it to me and a number of neighbors with ponds that I
>have provided barley straw to. Thanks for reading through my venting,
>ROY
>
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