Aquaponics Digest - Sun 03/25/01
Message 1: Re: yes, we homeschool
from "TGTX"
Message 2: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
from "TGTX"
Message 3: Re: Spirulina
from "TGTX"
Message 4: Re: "fertilizing" tanks
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 5: Re: Gnatrol
from "Jay Myers"
Message 6: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
from "Jay Myers"
Message 7: RE: yes, we home school
from "Lorre Smith"
Message 8: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 9: Stokes Seeds
from "TGTX"
Message 10: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
from "TGTX"
Message 11: Re: Barley Straw
from Michael Olson
Message 12: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Re: Lightsmith
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: waterchestnut possible source
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: Fw: Nov. 12th
from "STEVE SPRING"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: yes, we homeschool
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:10:22 -0600
This is Kate, Ted's wife...yes, we homeschool all 4 of our kiddos. Feel free
to ask any questions, Mike. Maybe off list? All 4 of our kids (even the
little one) worked part-time in our aquaponic greenhouse. It was a good
learning experience for them. We killed a couple of rattle snakes (science),
grew lots of red wigglers ( more science) not to mention all that lettuce,
basil and fish (even more science). Kids helped Dad in the delivery aspect
of it, learned about business, finances, PR, corporate politics....all good
homeschooling experiences. Jack, our boy, even helped in the construction of
the facility (physical education). He, at age 10, out worked them college
boys we hired to haul gravel!
We have always homeschooled, so any questions you have, feel free to ask.
Kate
----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn Hoagland
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: yes, we homeschool
>
> > Subject: Spirulina --- A Practical small setup for a household...?
> >
> > PS. Could the homeschoolers id themselves...Id like to ask a few
> > questions.. Cheers..
>
> We have an 8 year old and a 10 year old.
> Carolyn
>
>
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:33:36 -0600
> stopped by the lab to say "Hello ". What a difference ! She had lost at
least
> 30 pounds. She said she had tried the dried spirulina from the health food
> stores out there on the Left coast. She said the stuff tasted awfull and
> caused her to fart so much she was afraid of being declared a fire hazard
and
> a social outcast. And, folks, believe me that would take some doing in
those
> days
Wow. It'll take a while for me to "shake off" that imagery.
Wonder if she was the same campus radical at Berkley that got up on the
podium while all the national media cameras were rolling, and shrilly
declared that "We are probably breathing the last of the oxygen"....and all
this time I thought she was just being a zealot for Gaia and Mother
Earth......now I know what she was referring to.....
You know, in the original Disney soundtrack, wasn't it Mary Poppins who took
"a spoonful of Bean-O to help the spirulina go down...the spiralina to go
down...spiralina to go down....in a most delightful way...."??
Wonder if you fed spiralina to the Tilapia, and if they too, would develop
gas, and under intensive fish culture your tank would start lookin' like a
jacuzzi!?!? ;-)
Everybody jump in! ;-)
But Seriously, Folks....Tally Ho! ;-)
Tedzo ;-)
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Spirulina
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:36:47 -0600
> Bon Giorno mi fratelli..
>
> Our goals and aims are very close... Im glad that you enjoyed...
> Right now Im still tiptoing around ok? And BTW.. Im sorry Ted for
> seemingly taking the crown for the largest post... lol..
> Hope U dont mind?
I've a thousand pages if you like the style, with a thousand more in a week
or two,
but I need a job, 'cause I wanna be a Paperback Writer.....Paperback Writer!
(With Apologies to Sir Paul)
Tedzo
| Message 4
Subject: Re: "fertilizing" tanks
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 06:42:20 -0800
Devon Because I have so few fish in my system I've played with adding bone meal, blood meal,
sulfur, Iron ect. so far I haven't killed the fish I have, but the real solution in my case is
more fish.
Chris
>> > O.k., so I assume since I got ZERO responses to my original post on this
>> > subject (see below) that no one on this list does this... OR, was
>>everyone
>> > just busy that day?...;-)
>> >
>> > Devon
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| Message 5
Subject: Re: Gnatrol
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:42:41 -0600
I knew I'd get a pop out of Steve !
I'll get the info & post it.
Jay
> WOW Jay,
>
> You beat me & I am the "cheap charlie" on this list. Would you mind
sharing
> your source?
>
> Thanks......Steve
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:47:47 -0600
Geeeez Ted -
Not sure I want to jump into that Jacuzzi, but we could capture all that
methane and heat the greenhouse!
Jay
>She said the stuff tasted awfull and caused her to fart so much she was
afraid of being declared a fire hazard
and a social outcast.
> Wonder if you fed spiralina to the Tilapia, and if they too, would develop
> gas, and under intensive fish culture your tank would start lookin' like a
> jacuzzi!?!? ;-)
>
> Everybody jump in! ;-)
| Message 7
Subject: RE: yes, we home school
From: "Lorre Smith"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:00:21 -0600
I home school as well, I have a 15 year old. She has been home schooled all
except for 1st grade and 8th grade.
Lorre Smith
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Hoagland
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:03 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: yes, we homeschool
> Subject: Spirulina --- A Practical small setup for a household...?
>
> PS. Could the homeschoolers id themselves...Id like to ask a few
> questions.. Cheers..
We have an 8 year old and a 10 year old.
Carolyn
| Message 8
Subject: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:38:42 -0800
DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/23/01 12:08:11 AM Central Standard Time,
> aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
>
> < reason you do. She had a serious weight problem. I think Weight Watchers has the right idea.
Eat less, weigh less.>>
> ****************************************************************
Hey Dave!!
I just need to correct you here... Im smiling because if U ever saw me
UD not need this explanation.. but I think it may inspire some of you.
As I recall I wrote..
Ok friends..I found out this year that I have a high cholesterol level
due to hereditary factors, and need to supplement my diet by more
natural things.. since this yea rIve been eating a lot more food and
vegetables from the land based farm but looking more and more into an
aquaponic system to grow some of my foods too.
So.. I have no WEIGHT PROBLEM, but a CHOLESTEROL Problem... and U know I
too used to look around a persons midsection when they mentioned
cholesterol too..but I did a medical trace and found out that this came
from my fathers side... it is possible to know/do this after doing a
blood screen, which I asked my parents to do too. My Dad has already
probs because of his refusal to go more natural..Ive seen the iris of
his eyes go from black to gray white in 3 months after no longer eating
healthy!!
U see Jamaican food is rated as being some of the most tasty in the
world but there are a lot of dishes prepared with say coconut oil etc..
and this greasy food is causing havoc all over the world among
indigenous folks..
I have noted a lot of studies done by Native Americans, Blacks,
Japanese, that suggest a return to natural food was the start to a more
healthy citizens...
My family is a mixture of European and Afro Caribbean, and on BOTH sides
the tend to be very susceptible to weight gain. Quite a few 6 footers in
my family and a few shorter folks over 250 lbs!!
Anyway, I decided to try a test on myself. Remember I am 5' 8'' and on
the beginning this test on the 5th Nov 2000 145.5 lbs. On the 5th of
December after radically changing my diets to more grains, cereals and
steamed foods, fish and meats... less oils, more olive oil etc I lost 3
lbs! BTW I was eating a lot of a variety of mere sprouts.. sprouts in
just about everything from birchermuesli to soup to meat gravies to
salads..
This is how the cholesterol looked..
5.11.2000 5.12.2000
HDL Cholesterol 0.9-1.9 mmol/l norm. 1.0 0.9
LDL Cholesterol 1.5-3.6 mmol/l norm. 4.6 3.9
Cholesterol 3.9-5.2 mmol/l norm. 6.0 5.1
Triglyceride 0.56-2.37 mmol/l norm. 1.75 1.44
I did not eat any less, neither did I have to go through any CRASS
painful leaving out of certain things. I just left out the butter in my
sandwiches etc, had a slice of avocado instead .. etc.
I hope this will inspire more of us to take a look at our diets.. I am
now CONVINCED beyond a shadow of a doubt we ARE WHAT we eat...
so... back to my pushups... lol..
P.S. I am also concerned about the way the last generation... including
my younger brother.. almost 6 foot and 6 yrs younger or my brother in
law.. over 6 foot odd at 14!! is growing and noone is saying anything..
I wonder SERIOUSLY about residuals in our foods... this is also a reason
to be interested in a family size aquaponics setup.. to grow all my own
food.
There was an interesting discussion on the Tilapia newsgroup about
residual hormones, in fish, and the same goes on other animal lists I
subscribe to. Im becoming VERY skeptical about meats sold here most of
it from feedlot and mass fattened animals. Just as with vaccines gone
awry, Im not too convinced yet that we always are admitting what is true
and right.. when I consider things like the stevia/aspartame,
hydrogen/fossil fuel, hormone stimulated/natural growth issues I get a
bit concerned because Ive learnt we humans sure love to hide and cover
up... especially if it means making a lot of money..
The same is true of schools.. I live on the path home from a large
primary school. When I was younger, any elder was treated with respect
..one said good morning sir.. goodmorning maam.. now if I try even to
point out a untied shoelace, Im being told about my anatomy, and where I
should go mind ma own business..
I dont know what marriage does to ones head.. bu thinking about kids etc
in the last few weeks is starting to scare me... especially if I think
of putting them through a "feedlot" system (please dont even flame me
for this .. I went thru it toooo... ;) ) over which I have no control..
hence my query re homeschooling.
I dont consider myself radical neither overly zealous.. I just think all
folks dealing with even aquaponics have one thing in common... we all
are/were and will not be satisfied with the things told to us...
supposedly "normal". We all have had to experiment and try something
new, and prove for ourselves what is right and true.. and that means
pearlite vs gravel, pumps vs gravity flow, or guano vs fish poo.
Try, test, prove, judge, discern!! We are called upon to do so..
Go get em!!
Have a great Sunday..
Mike.. (trying not to trip coming off the soapbox...!!)
| Message 9
Subject: Stokes Seeds
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:11:56 -0600
Thought you guys and gals might like to check out Stokes Seeds
http://www.stokeseeds.com/cgi-bin/StokesSeeds.storefront
| Message 10
Subject: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:21:49 -0600
Mike,
Check these out and call me in the morning.
http://phytochemicals.tamu.edu/
http://www.arxc.com/arxchome.htm
http://www.drkoop.com/
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=408&st=408&r=WSIHW000
http://www.mayohealth.org/home
http://www.bodyforlife.com/
Eat lotsa garlic, hot peppers, and ginger, my brother.
Tedzo
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Barley Straw
From: Michael Olson
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:45:46 -0800 (PST)
I sat through a presentation from a water gardening
expert this weekend. He mentioned that barley straw
only controls algae within certain pH ranges. He
advocates ignoring pH for water gardening (not
necessarily aquaponics) -- so said to stick with shade
for algae control rather than straw. His name is
Jamie Beyer from Ames, IA. He wrote an Ortho book on
water gardening. I included that so that you could
maybe search for info and get the effective pH ranges
somewhere -- he did not mention what they were.
Later,
Mike
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:30:26 -0600
I'll never feel the same in my jacuzzi again!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 03/22/01
> stopped by the lab to say "Hello ". What a difference ! She had lost at
least
> 30 pounds. She said she had tried the dried spirulina from the health food
> stores out there on the Left coast. She said the stuff tasted awfull and
> caused her to fart so much she was afraid of being declared a fire hazard
and
> a social outcast. And, folks, believe me that would take some doing in
those
> days
Wow. It'll take a while for me to "shake off" that imagery.
Wonder if she was the same campus radical at Berkley that got up on the
podium while all the national media cameras were rolling, and shrilly
declared that "We are probably breathing the last of the oxygen"....and all
this time I thought she was just being a zealot for Gaia and Mother
Earth......now I know what she was referring to.....
You know, in the original Disney soundtrack, wasn't it Mary Poppins who took
"a spoonful of Bean-O to help the spirulina go down...the spiralina to go
down...spiralina to go down....in a most delightful way...."??
Wonder if you fed spiralina to the Tilapia, and if they too, would develop
gas, and under intensive fish culture your tank would start lookin' like a
jacuzzi!?!? ;-)
Everybody jump in! ;-)
But Seriously, Folks....Tally Ho! ;-)
Tedzo ;-)
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Lightsmith
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:40:54 -0600
Hi Ted,
Nothing slow about me! I was going through some of my old email and found
this message. Don't remember if I ever forwarded it to the list or not. I
don't know what happened to Duncan. I have emailed him several times, but I
can not find him anymore. He was a real authority. Don't know if something
happened to him or not. But, anyway, here is the website. It is old by now,
but still has some good info.
http://home.cfl.rr.com/dunk/
Later........Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Lightsmith
Hey Steve, please send us the URL for the way cool hydroponic website.
Thanks.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Lightsmith
> Sorry Gang,
>
> Just to let you know that this was not a personal message. It is in
> reference to all of the conversation recently abut white LED's.
>
> There is a guy on the hydroponics list by the name of Bill Owoon who is a
> genius concerning lights. Just didn't want anyone to think that I was
> posting personal messages.
>
> Thanks......Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "STEVE SPRING"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Lightsmith
>
>
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > E-mail a friend of mine in Fla. His name is Duncan. His e-mail is:
> > dunc 'at' mpinet.net
> >
> > Tell him that I referred you. (Steve in Milwaukee). By the way, request
> his
> > website address. He has a TREMENDOUS hydroponic website...lots of info,
> > links, etc. He is a really cool guy.
> >
> > He may have Bill's email address. Or he can contact the hydroponics list
> and
> > get it for you. As I said, I am "forbidden" to contact them...it doesn't
> pay
> > to "p.o." the moderator of a list...that's o.k., I didn't like her
anyway.
> > (he...he... :) )
> >
> > I will email him so he knows to expect you.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "LABERGE MARC"
> > To: "aqua"
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:29 PM
> > Subject: Re : Lightsmith
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Steve but the E-mail address you gave me is not right. Can you
> > double
> > > check it and get back to me ?
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> >
| Message 14
Subject: Re: waterchestnut possible source
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:23:10 -0600
GEEZ Nick,
A little late, but Thanks! I must have been drunk, tired, exhausted or a
combination of the above since September. I don't remember you sending this.
I have contacted these people and hope to be hearing from them.
Thanks again and God knows I apologize for being so late with a "Thanks".
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick"
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:56 PM
Subject: waterchestnut possible source
No affiliation with this site or source, just found it in about 5 minutes
under Yahoo.
http://www.earthcare.com.au/Wchestnuts.htm
| Message 15
Subject: Fw: Nov. 12th
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:56:01 -0600
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Hi All,
I'm just going through some of my archive emails and found this message =
from a lovely lady. Seems like she is fighting some of the beauracratic =
stuff that we all are, but still has HOPE. I only forward this because =
there may be some folks on the list now who weren't there in November. =
And maybe some of us who have been here for a little while have =
forgotten this post. I know I did. I think it is worth reposting.
Pls. bear with me and take a look. I think it is very nice.
Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Southin Farms=20
To: S&S Farm=20
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Nov. 12th
Hi all,
I sit quietly on my farm, diligently reading the daily responses to the =
townsquare---and I thank you for this service. We are commercial =
greenhouse growers of vegetables, and am totally convinced of the =
viability of growing organic vegetables using fish as the prime source =
of the nitrates to the plants. What we discovered this passed growing =
season, was the auto immune of the plants is greatly strengthened when =
one starts the plants on a fish nutrient water. What I have been told =
is this has to do with balancing the magnetic frequency of the plants so =
the insects are not inclined to attack them. Yes it costs a great deal =
of $$ to get an operation to a commercial size. Where I live, we are so =
regulated by gov't---quotas, fish permits etc--that I am truly convinced =
gov't does not want to see anyone working or creating jobs and =
food---other than third world countries.--I wish I could understand the =
bureaucratic mind!! We have been working out the formulas from the =
man-made chemicals and converting the "mini-moles" into the organic =
recipe. I welcome any help and info that you all can offer. I am =
convinced if we start eating better diets, we can strengthen the =
body---protecting ourselves from the world bombardment of pollution of =
all forms--and reduce health costs--that the gov'ts are so stingy in =
funding.=20
I am scared, but going deep into the glue in order to do this--and =
greatly appreciate all your advice and help. Maybe we all can change =
things a little. PS---Bill I wish you courage---we too have got away =
from our 401--its more peaceful--but less stable as yet--who cares--its =
just money!!
Virginia
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Pls. bear with me and take a look. I =
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very nice.
Steve
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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Nov. 12th
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