Aquaponics Digest - Mon 03/26/01
Message 1: Re: Nov. 12th
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Shade Cloth
from
Message 3: homeschooling ...
from Ray Schneider
Message 4: Re: homeschooling ...
from "Devon Williams"
Message 5: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Re: Barley straw
from Mark_Brotman 'at' kinetico.com
Message 7: RV: Barley straw
from "Carlos R. Arano"
Message 8: Re: Gnatrol
from "T White"
Message 9: Re: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
from "T White"
Message 10: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
from "T White"
Message 11: Re: Barley Straw
from "T White"
Message 12: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 13: Re: Gnatrol
from "T White"
Message 14: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
from "JAlan Aufderheide"
Message 15: Re: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Nov. 12th
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 00:37:12 -0600
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Hi Virginia,
Let us know how you are doing. I just reposted your post to the list. I =
thought it was "beautiful". Don't know why it didn't catch me at the =
time.....maybe I was hung up in my own problems.
Keep it up "Sweetheart" If you don't laugh, you cry and we don't like to =
cry.
Yours truly........Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Southin Farms=20
To: S&S Farm=20
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Nov. 12th
Hi all,
I sit quietly on my farm, diligently reading the daily responses to =
the townsquare---and I thank you for this service. We are commercial =
greenhouse growers of vegetables, and am totally convinced of the =
viability of growing organic vegetables using fish as the prime source =
of the nitrates to the plants. What we discovered this passed growing =
season, was the auto immune of the plants is greatly strengthened when =
one starts the plants on a fish nutrient water. What I have been told =
is this has to do with balancing the magnetic frequency of the plants so =
the insects are not inclined to attack them. Yes it costs a great deal =
of $$ to get an operation to a commercial size. Where I live, we are so =
regulated by gov't---quotas, fish permits etc--that I am truly convinced =
gov't does not want to see anyone working or creating jobs and =
food---other than third world countries.--I wish I could understand the =
bureaucratic mind!! We have been working out the formulas from the =
man-made chemicals and converting the "mini-moles" into the organic =
recipe. I welcome any help and info that you all can offer. I am =
convinced if we start eating better diets, we can strengthen the =
body---protecting ourselves from the world bombardment of pollution of =
all forms--and reduce health costs--that the gov'ts are so stingy in =
funding.=20
I am scared, but going deep into the glue in order to do this--and =
greatly appreciate all your advice and help. Maybe we all can change =
things a little. PS---Bill I wish you courage---we too have got away =
from our 401--its more peaceful--but less stable as yet--who cares--its =
just money!!
Virginia
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Hi Virginia,
Let us know how you are doing. I just =
reposted your=20
post to the list. I thought it was "beautiful". Don't know why it didn't =
catch=20
me at the time.....maybe I was hung up in my own problems.
Keep it up "Sweetheart" If you don't =
laugh, you cry=20
and we don't like to cry.
Yours truly........Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Southin =
Farms=20
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 =
2:33=20
PM
Subject: Nov. 12th
Hi all,
I sit quietly on my farm, diligently =
reading the=20
daily responses to the townsquare---and I thank you for this service. =
We are=20
commercial greenhouse growers of vegetables, and am totally convinced =
of the=20
viability of growing organic vegetables using fish as the prime source =
of the=20
nitrates to the plants. What we discovered this passed growing =
season,=20
was the auto immune of the plants is greatly strengthened when one =
starts the=20
plants on a fish nutrient water. What I have been told is this =
has to do=20
with balancing the magnetic frequency of the plants so the insects are =
not=20
inclined to attack them. Yes it costs a great deal of $$ to get an =
operation=20
to a commercial size. Where I live, we are so regulated by=20
gov't---quotas, fish permits etc--that I am truly convinced gov't does =
not=20
want to see anyone working or creating jobs and food---other than =
third world=20
countries.--I wish I could understand the bureaucratic mind!! We have =
been=20
working out the formulas from the man-made chemicals and converting =
the=20
"mini-moles" into the organic recipe. I welcome any help and =
info that=20
you all can offer. I am convinced if we start eating better =
diets, we=20
can strengthen the body---protecting ourselves from the world =
bombardment of=20
pollution of all forms--and reduce health costs--that the gov'ts are =
so stingy=20
in funding.
I am scared, but going deep into the =
glue in=20
order to do this--and greatly appreciate all your advice and help. =
Maybe we=20
all can change things a little. PS---Bill I wish you courage---we too =
have got=20
away from our 401--its more peaceful--but less stable as yet--who =
cares--its=20
just money!!
Virginia
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| Message 2
Subject: Shade Cloth
From:
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:24:31 +0200
Hi All,
The Ornamental Plant Institute of the Agricultural Research Council here did
some testing on various densities and colours of Shade-Cloth over Tomatoes and
Lettuce. With both crops 40% White came out on top with >100% yield compared to
the uncovered controls.
I suggest that this must vary from climate to climate though.
Craig
| Message 3
Subject: homeschooling ...
From: Ray Schneider
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:51:05 -0500
My wife Jessica and I have homeschooled our youngest, Christopher, since he was in seventh
grade. He's a junior in high school now and still being homeschooled and we're tickled pink
with the result.
This is a kid who will be starting calculus soon (next book). He reads a lot, both as assigned
and on his own. He's developing a critical mind. We use a curriculum from Seton Home School,
a Catholic
Home School organization. A lot of other people use materials from Bob Jones and some
homeschoolers develop their own curriculum. One of the great things is the flexibility and the
"real world"
aspect. You don't get the brainwashing and homogenization that you get in the bureaucratic
organizational public or even private schools. It is a sacrifice, but you also get a closer
knit family in the
bargain. I'm sold. It's not for those who don't want to bother or who think the right kind of
education is institutional. There are pros and cons. We just think the pros outweight the
cons.
<>
Cheers, Ray
--
Ray Schneider
On the Search for the PERFECT tomato ...
Come See Me at http://www.user.shentel.net/rschneid
| Message 4
Subject: Re: homeschooling ...
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:46:26 -0500
Hi Ray,
I was wondering what type of brainwashing goes on in the school systems in
your area...
Devon Williams
Public School teacher (I guess that makes me a brainwasher...;-))
>From: Ray Schneider
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: homeschooling ...
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:51:05 -0500
>
>My wife Jessica and I have homeschooled our youngest, Christopher, since he
>was in seventh grade. He's a junior in high school now and still being
>homeschooled and we're tickled pink with the result.
>This is a kid who will be starting calculus soon (next book). He reads a
>lot, both as assigned and on his own. He's developing a critical mind. We
>use a curriculum from Seton Home School, a Catholic
>Home School organization. A lot of other people use materials from Bob
>Jones and some homeschoolers develop their own curriculum. One of the
>great things is the flexibility and the "real world"
>aspect. You don't get the brainwashing and homogenization that you get in
>the bureaucratic organizational public or even private schools. It is a
>sacrifice, but you also get a closer knit family in the
>bargain. I'm sold. It's not for those who don't want to bother or who
>think the right kind of education is institutional. There are pros and
>cons. We just think the pros outweight the cons.
>
><>
>
>Cheers, Ray
>--
>Ray Schneider
>On the Search for the PERFECT tomato ...
>Come See Me at http://www.user.shentel.net/rschneid
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
| Message 5
Subject: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:59:15 -0600
Sorry - I'm on my way out the door. A quick request. I just observed a
weeks-long discussion of this topic on another list, "listening" to the
positions of educators, parents of children who attend public and/or private
schools, homeschoolers, unschoolers, and whatever...... This can get to be
a volatile subject, and as much as I enjoy seeing everyone's perspective,
I'd rather keep it off-list.
I think Mike's was the original request about this, so perhaps he would be
willing to set up a group for discussion.
Thanks
Paula
At 12:46 PM 03/26/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Ray,
>
>I was wondering what type of brainwashing goes on in the school systems in
>your area...
>
>Devon Williams
>Public School teacher (I guess that makes me a brainwasher...;-))
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Barley straw
From: Mark_Brotman 'at' kinetico.com
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:39:18 -0500
.....
Mark, .....Have you tested white shade cloth yet?....Juan
Yes-- the white color with the round strand shape performed the best. As I
recall, the material labelled 38% did better than those at higher levels.
That partcular fabric came from HydroGardens. Other fabrics came from that
source and others, including local hardware stores. I, too, was looking
not so much for the actual shade, but for protection from wind at my site.
Eventually planted staggered rows of fast-growing acacia trees for
long-term wind reduction. That worked pretty well although the typhoons
would often knock down branches and/or whole trees. But the level of
protection rest of the year was pretty decent.
Mark
| Message 7
Subject: RV: Barley straw
From: "Carlos R. Arano"
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:56:34 -0300
Dear Juan:
Your problem, is here too. Same happen around B.A. to me. Also in Santa
Rosa, La Pampa, Argentina, Eduardo Martín was fighting against same
elongation and lack of quality of lettuces. Always it happen when
temperature goes up far from 28-30ºC.
Temperatures during this Summer were very high and unusually constant,
without any refreshment as was usually normal few years ago. Something is
happening without
doubt with the clima at least in the South. In Melbourne, seems to me, same
thing is happening.
We, Eduardo and I, atribute to the high temperature as the cause, in
agreement with other people in the list. But, the unusual low preassures
around, has something to do also.
Othmar Ruthner said to me, twenty years ago, that there are at least 52
factors that affect the grow of plants. He was a great scientist and he
knows a lot. I think he was a genious. One of the factors that we are not
considering too much is atmospheric pressure. I feel it is very important.
Maybe somebody in the list will have more information on this subject.
It should be very nice to know it.
Best regards,
Carlos
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Juan C. Bobeda
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Barley straw
>
>
> > Bruce,
> >
> > We still aren't into aquaponics only normal hydroponics, and are growing
> > heat tolerant leaf lettuce with two different problems:
> >
> > 1.- The seeds will germinate OK in 24 to 48 hours, but then the
seedlings
> > will just stay there forever growing VERY slowly. These seedlings are
> > growing in Deep Flow Tanks with aeration, along with watercress
seedlings
> > and mustard seedlings. Until 3 months ago, we were growing the lettuce
> alone
> > and the seedlings had normal growth and reached transplant size in 10 to
> 14
> > days. We did and do have root problems that could be fungus gnat
related.
> > The root problems seem to fix themselves after a while so we are not
sure
> of
> > the reason.
> >
> > 2.- The transplanted lettuce are now stretching and have long stems
> without
> > bolting (going to seed), their leaves don't have normal width but are
> > narrower, the plants look rather stunted and do not grow to normal size.
> > We do have fungus gnats and we have applied beneficial nematodes that
> > diminished the numbers of gnats but they are still present, we will now
> use
> > BT var. israeliensis to try to get rid of the fungus gnat larvae. After
3
> > years of growing lettuce, we never had this stretching problem before.
As
> I
> > already mentioned, this year has been hotter than others but I don't
think
> > this is the main problem.
> >
> > Juan
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce Schreiber wrote:
> >
> > > Juan And Paula Its been my experience that lettuce will bloom and go
to
> > > seed with in a short time after we get hot weather. Because hot
weather
> > > accelerates the blooming process and the lettuce compleats its life
> > > cycle quickly.
> > > So if your problem is hot conditions it will be signaled by your
> > > plants sending up bloom stalks.
> > > If this is not happening and the plants are just sitting there you
> > > have either a
> > > Low nutriment delivery problem (low fish load)
> > > Insufficient lighting?,
> > > Something at root level like fungus nat maggots
> > > Insufficient aeration of the root zone etc. If you look at the
plants
> > > they will almost always tell you the problem
> > > You must train your mind to see what your eyes send it Bruce
> >
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Gnatrol
From: "T White"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:40:26 -0600
please take me off this mailing list
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Gnatrol
> WOW Jay,
>
> You beat me & I am the "cheap charlie" on this list. Would you mind
sharing
> your source?
>
> Thanks......Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Myers"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:57 PM
> Subject: Gnatrol
>
>
> Just bought 2.5 gal jug at $25/ gal. and had it shipped. Seems to work
> good.
>
> Jay
> Panama City Beach, Fl.
>
>
> > NOTE: If anyone is intersted in Natrol, don't pay the $75/gal. I found a
> > source for $49.95/gal.
> > Later & Thanks.......Steve :)
>
>
>
>
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
From: "T White"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:41:16 -0600
please take me off this mailing list
----- Original Message -----
From: S & S Aqua Farm
To:
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
> Sorry - I'm on my way out the door. A quick request. I just observed a
> weeks-long discussion of this topic on another list, "listening" to the
> positions of educators, parents of children who attend public and/or
private
> schools, homeschoolers, unschoolers, and whatever...... This can get to
be
> a volatile subject, and as much as I enjoy seeing everyone's perspective,
> I'd rather keep it off-list.
>
> I think Mike's was the original request about this, so perhaps he would be
> willing to set up a group for discussion.
>
> Thanks
> Paula
>
>
>
> At 12:46 PM 03/26/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Ray,
> >
> >I was wondering what type of brainwashing goes on in the school systems
in
> >your area...
> >
> >Devon Williams
> >Public School teacher (I guess that makes me a brainwasher...;-))
>
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
From: "T White"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:42:19 -0600
please take me off this mailing list
----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
> Mike,
>
> Check these out and call me in the morning.
>
> http://phytochemicals.tamu.edu/
>
> http://www.arxc.com/arxchome.htm
>
> http://www.drkoop.com/
>
> http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?t=408&st=408&r=WSIHW000
>
> http://www.mayohealth.org/home
>
> http://www.bodyforlife.com/
>
> Eat lotsa garlic, hot peppers, and ginger, my brother.
>
> Tedzo
>
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Barley Straw
From: "T White"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:42:58 -0600
please take me off this mailing list
----- Original Message -----
From: Sulfercreek
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Barley Straw
> Good Morning Paula
> I also forgot to mention that the barley straw,will be certified organic.
> Thanks Dave Bok
>
>
>
>
> "When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost,
> something is lost; when character is lost, all is lost."
>
> -Billy Graham
>
>
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:42:20 EST
In a message dated 3/25/01 12:07:39 AM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< (I promise I won't mention this again unless someone else
contacts me about it.) (If I keep bugging them, maybe we can all meet in the
Virgin Islands in February!!) :)
>>
***************************************************************
Steve,
Keep on bugging 'em. My wife & I would like to attend in winter ( prefferably
February ) but will likely never attend in summer. If you can make tham aware
of how much money they are loosing by not making the course available when
the customers ( students, in this case ) want, they may reevaluate thier
position on teaching a winter course.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Gnatrol
From: "T White"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:45:38 -0600
please take me off this mailing list
----- Original Message -----
From: Juan C. Bobeda
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Gnatrol
> Yea Jay, please tell us where you bought your Gnatrol. If it works it's a
real
> bargain.
>
> Juan
>
> STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> > WOW Jay,
> >
> > You beat me & I am the "cheap charlie" on this list. Would you mind
sharing
> > your source?
> >
> > Thanks......Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Myers"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:57 PM
> > Subject: Gnatrol
> >
> > Just bought 2.5 gal jug at $25/ gal. and had it shipped. Seems to work
> > good.
> >
> > Jay
> > Panama City Beach, Fl.
> >
> > > NOTE: If anyone is intersted in Natrol, don't pay the $75/gal. I found
a
> > > source for $49.95/gal.
> > > Later & Thanks.......Steve :)
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
From: "JAlan Aufderheide"
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:44:56 -0000
Yaaay Dave, Yaaay Steve!
But I can tell you from personal experience at a big name institution that
YOU are to serve the needs of the university types, NOT the other way
around.
Jay
P.S. I think there are 2 Jays around so maybe I should start signing
"Colorado Jay" to keep someone else from suffering unnecessarily?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
> In a message dated 3/25/01 12:07:39 AM Central Standard Time,
> aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
>
> << (I promise I won't mention this again unless someone else
> contacts me about it.) (If I keep bugging them, maybe we can all meet in
the
> Virgin Islands in February!!) :)
> >>
> ***************************************************************
> Steve,
> Keep on bugging 'em. My wife & I would like to attend in winter
prefferably
> February ) but will likely never attend in summer. If you can make tham
aware
> of how much money they are loosing by not making the course available when
> the customers ( students, in this case ) want, they may reevaluate thier
> position on teaching a winter course.
> Regards,
> Dave
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Move off-list?? Re: homeschooling ...
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:59:34 -0800
I agree re keeping this topic offlist. Dont want to create waves in
anyones fishtank...lol.
Paul could U tell those now "hooked" by your "bait" re similar messages
on another group WHICH group this was, and if they have an archive where
we could go look up these messages?
Thanks to all who responded to my query, Im really just formulating my
"top ten" questions, more anon.
Thanks to you all as always..
You all are the best.. WE make the best group I know online!!
Mike
JAMAICA
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
>
> Sorry - I'm on my way out the door. A quick request. I just observed a
> weeks-long discussion of this topic on another list, "listening" to the
> positions of educators, parents of children who attend public and/or private
> schools, homeschoolers, unschoolers, and whatever...... This can get to be
> a volatile subject, and as much as I enjoy seeing everyone's perspective,
> I'd rather keep it off-list.
>
> I think Mike's was the original request about this, so perhaps he would be
> willing to set up a group for discussion.
>
> Thanks
> Paula
>
>
> At 12:46 PM 03/26/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Ray,
> >
> >I was wondering what type of brainwashing goes on in the school systems in
> >your area...
> >
> >Devon Williams
> >Public School teacher (I guess that makes me a brainwasher...;-))
|
