Aquaponics Digest - Mon 04/02/01
Message 1: Re: Mash
from "Michael Kline"
Message 2: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Spinach anyone??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 5: Re: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
from Michael Olson
Message 7: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "TGTX"
Message 8: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 9: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "Michael Kline"
Message 10: Re: Spinach anyone??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 11: Re: Spinach anyone??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 12: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 13: Re: car wax
from laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Message 14: RE: Spinach anyone??
from "Carlos R. Arano"
Message 15: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 16: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "Jay Myers"
Message 17: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Re: Spinach anyone??
from "TGTX"
Message 19: Subtropic Fruits
from "TGTX"
Message 20: Firewalls/Virus'
from Roy Houston
Message 21: Re: Spinach anyone??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 22: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sun 04/01/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Mash
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:23:10 -0500
That'd be me.
>>> jacques.jr 'at' gte.net 3/31/01 05:12:39 PM >>>
Hi people
Who was talking about making a mash out of barley grains to control =
algae? I would love to know how to
Thanks
Jacques
| Message 2
Subject: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:54:55 -0500
I had the same problem with my perch fingerlings in my pond. Although, this
involved the aerator and not a pump but the result was the same.I solved the
problem the same way: wrapped the intake with chickenwire.
steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
At 11:29 AM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>O.k., this is one I never thought I'd have to write...
>
>The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that my BRAND-SPANKIN' NEW
>FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it, and they are getting suck up
>against the intake grate.....AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
>happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
>can't leave it off forever...
>
>Any input as to how to solve this??????
>
>Thanks!
>
>Yes. I solved the problem by buying window screen. I cut a big square and
wrapped it around the pump. The piece was large enough so that when sitting
in the tank the material puffed away from the pump. I gathered the edge of
the screen above the pump, on the outflow pipe, and tied it off with
plastic ties. Once a week I'd lift the pump out and hose off the fish food
that collected on it. I took the screen off when the fish were about 2"
long. Simple, cheap, and it worked. Emmett
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:02:58 -0500
Really, really glad you got your problem fixed, upgraded or whatever. Would
hate to lose your input on the list.
Your friendSteve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
Thanks folks. Time I did some upgrading, learning new stuff, and
barracading.
You have all been very helpful.
Have a great weekend.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: david benhart
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
> Hello all:
> We run exactly what Laura runs, no problems at all.
> Dave and Cyndi Benhart
> Shore Acres Greenhouse
>
> Laura Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Ted,
> >
> > We are running two items of software to protect our computers. We are
using
> > Norton AntiVirus
> > In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides
lots of
> > protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to get
into
> > your computer.
> >
> >
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Spinach anyone??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:16:03 -0700
-- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
Mike
JAMAICA.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:17:21 -0500
Hi Bruce,
The fault is mine for Mike not visiting. He wanted to come down a couple of
times, but I was unavailable. It would be really great if we could form a
"bond" for lack of a better word. There are also a couple of brothers in
northern Illinois, Neal (Dutch last name that I forget right now) & his
brother. They have also wanted to visit but I didn't have time or I wasn't
ready to show my system yet. (Neal, if you are out there.....join in.) (I
know you think I'm a jerk for putting you off, but I just wasn't ready yet.)
I don't know about you guys, but I find that "going it alone" is tough and
education is expensive. If we could put our heads together with our
respective systems, maybe we could really create something good for
ourselves and "our" beloved list.
By the way, will be putting up my greenhouse and "earthboxes" during the
17th - 19th of April. Everyone is welcome to participate. Will take some
pictures of my system, greenhouse, etc. and will, hopefully, have a website
available by then so I can share with the list.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
Hey Mike I travel through Oskosh about 20 times a month on my way to
Greenbay Might you be favorable to a visit some time.? I am in Racine
and Steve Springs is in in Musgego about 30 minutes north west of me. It
would be kind of nice if the Wisconsin and the northern Illinois folks
could keep in closer contact as a sort of hands on support group don't
you think?
Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From: Michael Olson
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:18:39 -0700 (PDT)
All,
Firewalls are most likely an unnecessary luxury for
those who use dial-up modem connections for their
internet connection. They are a must for those with
always-on ADSL, Cable modems, or other permanent
Internet connections.
For permanent connections, you can get limited
protection by turning off the computer when not using
it. When it is turned back on, it will be vulnerable
without BlackIce Defender, ZoneAlarm or others.
I was told that BlackIce will be able to tell you the
source of the attempted intrusion. ZoneAlarm (which I
use on my cable modem) tells you when the "probe"
occurs, but not lots of other information. Knowing
more may sound good, but eventually you will tire of
finding out who it is, so either will work great.
The virus protection from a variety of sources is
highly recommended for anyone. I have never used any
AV on my computer, though, and have never had a
problem. I feel I am very discriminating about what
email I open -- but also made an effort to stay away
from vulnerable systems that are attackable (MS
Outlook coupled with other MS Office components).
Writing viruses for the most widely-used software is
the method to get more bang-for-your-buck. Now that I
use Outlook, I would be silly not to get some AV
protection.
I would not call Macs immune to viruses. I would
guess that those with malicious intent distribute for
maximum impact -- that means Windows and MS products.
Even if a virus were written for Mac OS, it would be
harder to spread.
__________________________________________________
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:00:03 -0500
Yes, I have. It's really not much different than growing lettuce or beet
leaf or mustards.
I used a plastic grid and a dibble stick. The grid is one of those white
plastic privacy screens that I cut into a convenient width and length. This
allows for a honeycomb or hexagonal pattern of seed holes. I put either a
3/4 inch or 1 inch PVC coupling, which is just a cylinder, slid up the point
of the dibble stick to "stop" it at a fairly shallow depth as I plunged the
dibble stick into the gravel. Recall that I use 1/4" pea gravel. I just
plunk the spinach seed down into the hole just as I did with the Bull Blood
Beet or Chard seeds. The seeds are about as big as a.oh, a dried pea,
or a little smaller.
Overhead mist occassionally and they sprout. I grew them pretty dense and
at the time I was just doing a cut and come back approach. I think I used
Johnny's seed for that...will have to look it up if you need the variety.
Sometimes they would get white fly or powdery mildew, but overall they grew
well and were delicious food to add to the salad mix.
Hope that helps.
Ted
> -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
>
>
> Mike
> JAMAICA.
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:24:44 -0500
I tried without success. Spinach is notoriously difficult to
germinate - soil growers compensate by grossly over-seeding. It also
likes cooler temperatures.
Adriana
> -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:55:19 -0500
I have never had trouble sprouting spinach seed? Is this a problem with a =
certain strain? I can verify the need for cooler temps though.
>>> ground 'at' thrifty.net 4/2/01 11:00:03 AM >>>
Yes, I have. It's really not much different than growing lettuce or beet
leaf or mustards.
I used a plastic grid and a dibble stick. The grid is one of those white
plastic privacy screens that I cut into a convenient width and length. =
This
allows for a honeycomb or hexagonal pattern of seed holes. I put either a
3/4 inch or 1 inch PVC coupling, which is just a cylinder, slid up the =
point
of the dibble stick to "stop" it at a fairly shallow depth as I plunged =
the
dibble stick into the gravel. Recall that I use 1/4" pea gravel. I just
plunk the spinach seed down into the hole just as I did with the Bull =
Blood
Beet or Chard seeds. The seeds are about as big as a.oh, a dried =
pea,
or a little smaller.
Overhead mist occassionally and they sprout. I grew them pretty dense and
at the time I was just doing a cut and come back approach. I think I used
Johnny's seed for that...will have to look it up if you need the variety.
Sometimes they would get white fly or powdery mildew, but overall they =
grew
well and were delicious food to add to the salad mix.
Hope that helps.
Ted
> -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
>
>
> Mike
> JAMAICA.
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:54:05 -0700
Thanks Adrianna, Ted, Mike!!
Any points worth noting re the "feeding" of these plant, what nutrients
they did best on etc?? Im thinking of using them in a water remediation
project... high Phosphates and Nitrates...
Btw, here in Jamaica we have 2 varieties... the wild "canepiece"
variety, and the soft one, (not so stringy..) which is called "callaloo"
here... not spinach. In soil, it is no problem to germinate here... and
the wild variety can be quite pesky to the point of being a "canefield"
pest...hence the name..
Thanks again..keep it coming..
Mike.
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
>
> I tried without success. Spinach is notoriously difficult to
> germinate - soil growers compensate by grossly over-seeding. It also
> likes cooler temperatures.
>
> Adriana
>
> > -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> > aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:57:58 -0700
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
>
> I tried without success. Spinach is notoriously difficult to
> germinate - soil growers compensate by grossly over-seeding. It also
> likes cooler temperatures.
>
> Adriana
>
> > -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> > aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
Adrianna, was this hydroponically?? And what type of nutrients were
recommended for this plant?? Im trying to remove excess nitrates from a
waste water stream using these plants...
Mike.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:13:25 -0500
Yes, it was hydroponic and I used the same nutrients that I was using
for other greens.; sorry can't give you any specific nutrient
requirements.
Adriana
> Adrianna, was this hydroponically?? And what type of nutrients were
> recommended for this plant?? Im trying to remove excess nitrates
from a
> waste water stream using these plants...
>
> Mike.
| Message 13
Subject: Re: car wax
From: laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:31:33 -0400
Just a thought for a slipping agent...I guess I won't be thinking of that
anymore :) ...thanks for the info, all.
-----Original Message-----
From: TGTX
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: car wax
>
>> Maybe a silly question...maybe not
>> If I was to use the expensive car wax in my fiber glass raceways, do you
>> think there could be some sort of chemical release in the water
afterwards
>?
>> Marc Laberge
>> Mont Tremblant
>> Quebec , Canada
>
>Dont even do that.
>Are you talking about using it as a slipping agent or form agent when you
>mold it and pop it out?
>
>Why not use a light coat of paraffin?
>
>Talk to me, here, Marc.
>
>Ted
>
| Message 14
Subject: RE: Spinach anyone??
From: "Carlos R. Arano"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:41:37 -0300
Adriana and friends interested in Spinach:
I will recommend you take a look of:
"A Handbook for Production of CEA-Grown Hydroponic Spinach" from Cornell
University.
It is at the web and I downed a full copy time ago thinking to try, but I
didn't. It is Xcellent and it has a lot of beatiful references.
Since I have not the address of the page I will give references to search
it. You will find it.
It is a publication of the Controlled Environment Agriculture Program of the
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences- Cornell University
It is mantained by Angelica Hammer at
URL:"/dept/flori/spinach/index.html"
Give full attention to the priming of seeds to get good germination. It is
carried by the use of polyethylene glycol 8000 at 30%. I did not check with
them WHY? If somebody knows about it will be nice to here.
Regards to all of you.
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: Adriana Gutierrez
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
> I tried without success. Spinach is notoriously difficult to
> germinate - soil growers compensate by grossly over-seeding. It also
> likes cooler temperatures.
>
> Adriana
>
> > -- Guys I need a reality check here, has anyone grown spinach in an
> > aquaponic setup before and willing to share??
>
>
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:05:23 -0500
You are so correct Carlos, I had forgotten about that web site.
Cornell also has a superb site on CEA Lettuce Production and another
for bok choi I believe.
> Adriana and friends interested in Spinach:
> I will recommend you take a look of:
> "A Handbook for Production of CEA-Grown Hydroponic Spinach" from
Cornell
> University.
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:21:48 -0500
Mike -
I grew, and still do grow it. I just sprinkle the seed into the pea gravel,
spray it in, and I have little plants in 2-5 days. My gravel stays about 75
degrees F., so temp is good. It grows really good, and eats that way too.
Jay
Panama City Beach, Fl.
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:30:48 -0500
Spinach: A Treatise, or "How I Stays Strong to the Finish...uck, uck, uck"
by Tedzo Groundolini.
Being Composed Extemporaneously, On the Fly & By the Seat of Me Pants, etc.
Mike, you got me thinking about nitrate accumulators and spinach. And so, I
got the muse.....
Spinach, chard, and beets are all in the same family, as I recall, which is
easy to confirm just by observing their seeds. Rainbow chard grew
phenomenally huge and verdant and colorful and thick in my pea gravel
system. I used to sell BIG leaves of chard to restaurants so that they
could lay a poached or gravlox salmon on a presentation plate, etc.I
also grew Bulls Blood Beet for the salad mix. Beet is know to be a nitrate
accumulator, so I assume that both spinach and chard are also nitrate
accumulators. Beets more than spinach, I believe. I think you could try
the Bulls Blood Beet and do well. Spinach might assay at about 3 to 3.5%
Nitrogen in it's tissue, whereas beets maybe 4% or more? (as percent of dry
matter)
I am looking for a recent article in the Organic Farming Research
Foundation's Information Bulletin about organic field crops tissue assay of
nitrate under various fertilization regimes. Can't find it for the
life of me. Will report on that data if I find it at the bottom of some
pile in the Groundinian Library.
John Jeavon's book, "How to grow more vegetables....etc", classifies regular
spinach
(Spinacia oleracea) as a "Heavy Feeder", meaning it needs lots of N-P-K,
like tomatoes, for example. It grows on a wide range of soils if moist and
fertile, but is sensitive to acidity. The pH should be at least 6.0,
preferablly 6.5 to 7.5. Spinacia oleracea is usually sold as one of 2
varieties, smooth leaf, or "savoyed". I believe I tried the Denali (F1)
smooth leaf variety which matures in 36 days. It is white rust and mildew
tolerant. I also tried the Tyee(F1) savoyed leaf variety, which is the most
bolt resistant savoy type that Johnny's Seed Co. sells. It is downy mildew
resistant but apparantly not white rust resistant. I think I might have
gotten a bit of white rust on the Tyee plants. But it wasn't that bad, as I
recall.
A spinach-like plant, also available from Johnny's seed, is Tetragonia
tetragonioides, or New Zealand Spinach. It tolerates hot weather better
than spinach. It matures in 50 days. It is frost sensitive. It is a slow
germinator, so the seed should be soaked for a day in water before sowing.
So called "Malabar spinach" is a totally different plant, "Basella rubra".
Tom and Paula have grown it in their system. I am quoting and paraphrasing
from some of Paula's earlier posts, and some other folks that have discussed
this plant on this remarkable email group in years past.as
follows
It goes to seed within the greenhouse, and one is able to save seeds each
year for the next year's cultivation. One source of those seeds might be
found at Pinetree Garden Seeds (207-926-3400) and reads: "Malabar Spinach
(110 days) Start this one indoors in the North. Transplant to a place where
it can climb. The large meaty leaves are remarkably spinach-like in flavor.
In fact Basella Rubra, this plant, is used very effectively in the
agricultural display at the Epcot Center." We grow it up string trellises in
our grow beds. The smaller leaves are added into the salad mix we sell, and
some left to grow larger for restaurant sales to use under entrees, etc.
(they are beautiful spade shaped leaves, very thick when grown to 8" or
larger). I also remember a wonderful dinner sometime in my youth (way too
many years ago) when a group of us ate at a wonderful Japanese restaurant,
and breaded and fried leaves were served as an appetizer. Hope this helps,
although I'm pretty certain my original seeds came from another supplier.
Paula ...:
Malabar Spinach Sorry to double post - found my Park Seed catalog
(800-845-3366) and that's where my Malabar spinach seeds came from. It's
wonderful for spinach throughout the summer (and in a greenhouse that's too
warm for standard spinaches). Red stemmed, "mild-flavored, thick, succulent,
dark green leaves like spinach, yet it thrives in the heat of
summer!....heat-loving, vigorous vines can be trained onto fence or trellis
to a height of 6 feet or more". I must tell you that it will climb at tall
as you allow. We have a 14' peak in our greenhouse, and the plants are grown
in beds about 3' from floor level. Paula.
Subject: Re: Malabar Spinach There are two species of malibar, B. rubra and
B alba. I think Echo, a very worthwhile organization, carries both. You can
email them at ECHO 'at' xc.org
We grew Malabar Spinach sort of as an illustration of intensive hydroponic
food production in our prision Horticulture greenhouse. We used 5 gallon
plastic soap pails filled wtih a peat-lite mix (heavy on the pearlite) and
spray stakes for "drip to waste irrigation". The vines grew quickly with
20-20-20 water soluable feed and grew on to 15 feet or more. The young
leaves and stem are very tastey but as they get older they toughen and take
on an stronger flavor with thick musilage. We wanted the experiment to run
its course so the plant produced tons of unusual pink flowers with a black
berry (might be great for dye). One source I contacted said the berry was
not edible. The plants became diseased as they grew older, with round black
rings and spots with white centers (viral ?). This was over a year ago and I
now have volunteer seedlings as weed that I cant get rid of all over the
greenhouse!
We've had good response using both Malabar spinach and swiss chard in our
salad mix, as long as we used the young, tender leaves. Since their seasons
only overlap for a short while, we very seldom used both at the same time.
But we also had good response from our restaurant customers by offering the
larger leaves for use under entrees. The dark green of the chard makes a
welcome change from the lighter lettuces or kale. The unique shape and
difference of the Malabar, though, brought many comments. The larger leaves
can be quite heavy and "tough" feeling. Folks always wanted to know if it
was real and/or edible, and were delighted to find it was. For flavor in a
salad blend, though, the young leaves would have to be used, I think. The
older, larger sections, though, are a great addition in a cooked greens
mix - both for our own use and for some of our local cafes that want to
offer something different and still have customers who enjoy cooked greens.
Guess it depends on your market. Paula.....
WELL, (back to the future, Mike,.....it's me, Tedzo, again) what other
"spinaches" are there? What about water spinach? It is strictly controlled
as a nuisance plant in some states of the USA...don't know about the Island,
mon.....check out an earlier post on that that I sent out some time ago...
FLASHBACK AGAIN.....
I think its cool that both sweet taters and kankong (or water spinach) are
both in the morning glory family (Convolvulaceae). I know we have talked
about this before, but here is some more stuff on water spinach that I got
from an on-line paper entitled
"Evaluation of Tropical Leaf Vegetables in the Virgin Islands" Dr.J.R. has
likely read this already...
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-388.html#convolvulacea
e
Water spinach, kangkong, swamp cabbage, or water convolvulus (Ipomoea
aquatica Forsk., or Ipomoea reptans Poir) is an important green leaf
vegetable in most of Southeast Asia. It is a trailing tropical lowland
plant, related to sweet potato. Two main cultivar groups can be
distinguished: var. aquatica and var. reptans. The first is an aquatic plant
or paddy vegetable in the Southern part of India and Southeast Asia,
propagated by cuttings and growing in the wild or cultivated in fish ponds
and water courses. The second is an upland vegetable, cultivated on dry or
marshy land and propagated by cutting or seeds. Both types are an important
market vegetable in Malaysia, Indonesia, and other Southeast Asian
countries. Several cultivars are known, but the most important distinction
is between upland (dry) forms and paddy (swamp) forms.
Water spinach develops a trailing vine that spreads rapidly by rooting at
the nodes. Vertical branches arise from the leaf axils. It is quite
glabrous, with sagitate, alternate leaves. The leaves are somewhat
succulent, particularly in the wet land form, and has a pleasant light green
color. A white flower is produced which matures into a 4-seeded pod.
Almost all parts of the young plant are eaten. Older stems, especially from
plants cultivated on dry land, contain considerable fiber. Therefore,
cultural methods emphasize the production of young succulent tips. These can
be eaten fresh in salads. Often they are cooked as spinach. The flavor is
bland and some spicy ingredients or salt are added to enhance flavor. The
leaves maintain much of their green color, but the stems are yellowish when
cooked (Martin and Ruberte 1979).
Water spinach is planted either from seed or from cuttings. Seeds do not
germinate well under water, but can be direct seeded. Plants are normally
grown in nursery beds for later transplanting in the field. In evaluation
trial conducted at the experiment station, the upland type of water spinach
was harvested 57 days after planting. The average edible leaf yield was 412
g/m2 (Table 1). Productivity was about similar with Malabar spinach. Under
Virgin Islands climatic conditions, water spinach grows well during
summer-fall season and is a suitable leafy green vegetable with market
potential.
Live it up Lively,
Ted
> Thanks Adrianna, Ted, Mike!!
>
> Any points worth noting re the "feeding" of these plant, what nutrients
> they did best on etc?? Im thinking of using them in a water remediation
> project... high Phosphates and Nitrates...
>
> Mike.
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:38:20 -0500
> Mike -
>
> I grew, and still do grow it. I just sprinkle the seed into the pea
gravel,
> spray it in, and I have little plants in 2-5 days. My gravel stays about
75
> degrees F., so temp is good. It grows really good, and eats that way too.
>
> Jay
> Panama City Beach, Fl.
Yeah, Jay and Mike, you see, as incontinent as it may sound, some of us
sprinkle and some of us dibble, and some of us do both. For the smaller
seeds of lettuce and amaranth and mustards, I sprinkle with the SPECIAL,
HIGH TECH LETTUCE SEED SPRINKLING TECHNOLOGY.....State Secret...very hush
hush ;-) For the larger seeds, I dibble. When I dibble, I don't even
cover the gravel "indentation" over the seed, as I recall....just let it
sprout and emerge from the crater in the gravel....Got me? Or, you can
sprinkle to your heart's content...saves time over the dibble approach, for
sure.
It's all good.
Ted
| Message 19
Subject: Subtropic Fruits
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:17:04 -0500
Mikey-dread and all,
>From Mr. Craig Wallin's Specialty Crop Digest, kinda dated, but hopefully
helpful:
SUBTROPIC FRUITS
"If your climate allows you the luxury of growing rate subtropical fruits
such as Java plum, bananas, mangos, lychee, carambola and strawberry trees,
then you might be interested in checking out an issue of "Living Off the
Land". Editor Marian Van Atta would devote an entire issue to a single
fruit, such as Australian bush cherry. Over eighty back issues are
available, so you can learn more about specific fruits...
SOURCE: LIVING OFF THE LAND ($12 per year - 6 issues, $2 sample issue) P.O.
Box 2131, Melbourne, FL 32902-2131.
Check it out.
And if you do succeed in growing such fruit, why not make it into a
value-added product for a small business?
DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH....(I like this title 'cause I read the original story)
"Tiny Sorrell Ridge jam company is proving that there is always room on the
grocery's shelves for quality jams. Their line of no sugar, all natural
fruit spreads appeals to the health-conscious consumers. Their competition,
the gian SMUCKERS, is roughly half cane sugar and corn syrup, meaning more
calories per serving.
Sorrell Ridge sales have grown 400% since 1985 up to 1990, showing that the
small can thrive too. Think about your crop. Can it be sold as a
"value-added" product such as jam or jelly?"
Tedzo.
| Message 20
Subject: Firewalls/Virus'
From: Roy Houston
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:28:49 -0500
Regarding firewalls, both blackice and Zonealarm have their pluses and
minuses, but either is better than nothing.
Users of Zonealarm should be aware that there is an attack method being used
which causes Zonealarm and IE to quit operating. The attack also prevents
you from disconnecting your internet connection by the usual method. If you
are in the middle of something important you can Ctrl-Alt-Del and select to
end task on zonealarm. This will allow you to continue your work in IE.
BE WARNED however that this is the intended attack method. Turning off
zonealarm while still attached/logged onto the internet will then allow a
trojan horse to be loaded onto your machine. It then executes at a later
date. There are a couple of variants around. I've heard of the IE version
Ted mentioned, but I haven't seen it. The other variant causes Outlook or
Outlook Express to send out an e-mail to the porn site's mail server. This
gives them your e-mail address and then it is nearly impossible to block
because they use a different temporary e-mail address each time to send you
offensive e-mails with links to their web pages.
BlackIce has a similar vunerability so I'm told, but I have little
experience with it.
Users of Zonealarm should only shut down when doing something that you
really, really can't afford to stop. Otherwise, just restart your computer
instead and it will terminate the connection and hence the attack.
Hope this is helpful
Roy
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Spinach anyone??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:16:49 -0700
Great!! Thanks Carlos!!
Regards...
Mike
Carlos R. Arano wrote:
>
> Adriana and friends interested in Spinach:
> I will recommend you take a look of:
> "A Handbook for Production of CEA-Grown Hydroponic Spinach" from Cornell
> University.
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sun 04/01/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:51:32 EDT
In a message dated 4/2/01 12:08:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< If we take the daily recommended amount of fiber into our diet, however, it
is VERY important to drink at least 8 to 10 glasses of fluid a day. If a
person does not drink enough water, enough fluids, then eating the right
amount of fiber can actually cause constipation. >>
****************************************************************
SuperTed,
I just happen to know about a research project along these lines. This is not
yet published information, so don't bother trying to look it up. It turns out
that due to the way the body treats different fluids, only water counts. The
principal investigator recommends water consumed per day should be equal to
body weight in pounds divided by two equals the number of fluid ounces of
water recomended per day. Unfortunately, juices, milk, Cokes, beer etc does
not count. It is yet to be determined if Scotch & water counts.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Dave
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