Aquaponics Digest - Thu 04/12/01
Message 1: Fwd. TILAPIA 2001 International Conference & Exhibition
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 2: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from "Devon Williams"
Message 3: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: RE: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from "Harmon, Todd S."
Message 6: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 7: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Message 8: More Interesting Soil Biology
from Bill Patrick
Message 9: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from Bill Patrick
Message 10: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 11: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 12: Broodstock...
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: a little faith
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 14: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 15: Change your Headers
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Fwd. TILAPIA 2001 International Conference & Exhibition
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:06:53 -0500
TILAPIA 2001 KUALA LUMPUR
28 - 30 May 2001, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
INFOFISH - ICLARM - FAO - Ministry of Agriculture, Malaysia
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As you are aware, there is growing interest worldwide in Tilapia, also
known as the "Fish of the Millennium", due to its potential from a food
security angle and for income generation and employment through aquaculture
and export-processing. World production of farmed Tilapia has grown
three-fold over the last decade.
Considering this growing global interest in the species, INFOFISH together
with ICLARM (International Center for Living Aquatic Resources Management),
FAO (Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations) and the
Ministry of Agriculture, Malaysia, is organizing TILAPIA 2001, an
international technical and trade conference, and exhibition on Tilapia,
from 28-30 May 2001 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
During TILAPIA 2001, a panel of internationally renowned speakers will
address issues of importance concerning this rapidly developing species,
including production trends, markets and marketing and latest technological
developments. A copy of the conference update is attached. The conference
will be chaired by the President of the Tilapia Marketing Institute based
in the USA, Mr John Schramm, who will also give the keynote address.
We welcome you to visit the INFOFISH website at http://www.infofish.org for
details of the conference and look forward to your participation at the event.
Best regards
Yours sincerely
Dr S Subasinghe
Director INFOFISH
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:41:49 -0400
So much of this is over my head, I can only ask questions. A few things
interested me about Ted's post...
1. why would I want to add fish emulsion or seaweed extract? and by
this, I mean what indicaitons might I see in my tanks/beds?
2. how much of the stuff would you gurus recommend for a small system?
My tank is 125 gallons, and my growing bed is 32 cubic feet.
3. Ted, tell me more about the granite dust... my entire bed is filled
with granite gravel (due to most of Georgia sitting on top of parts of Stone
Mountain...the largest granite outcropping in the world...I think). Is the
granite helping my nutrient base?
Thanks!
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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>From: "TGTX"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:11:17 -0500
>
> > Me too.
> > Adriana mentioned that Ted brought up bindersI too never gave them
>a
> > thought. On my home system I use Purina Trout Chow #2 pellets. On my
>mini
> > commercial system I make my own fish food from certified organic soy
>meal
> > and ground corn. In addidtion I've lately been adding powdered
>Norweigien
> > kelp. I've never encountered sludge. I never have to clean my beds
>(except
> > the plastic liner edges exposed to the air which get dirty from the dew
>and
> > dust).
>
>Not only binders but "fillers", folks. Not all binders are the same, I
>want
>to stress that right now, again. But some feed formulations have
>non-nutritive fillers which are basically fine sawdust or cellulose and the
>like. Without a good dose of Bacillus subtilis bacteria and some cellulose
>degrading bacteria and perhaps some good fungi resident on the biofilter or
>gravel, you can have sludge build up. Or, let's just say, more accurately,
>that those microbes can play a role in the relative rates of buildup.
>
>The Grand Regal Factors in all this include the carbon to oxygen feed
>ratios
>and rates, folks. You can have good oxygen levels in the fish tank for
>various reasons but large pockets of anoxic (very low oxygen) areas in the
>grow bed where the pore size or the flow patterns through the bed are not
>optimal, and then you get into a weird feedback loop wherein those zones
>can
>enlarge because sludge is not decomposing at a fast enough rate, so more
>sludge accumulates, and....on and on...you see?
>
>THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID FOR NEARLY A DECADE: A BIOFILTER IS LIKE A
>BIOLOGICAL CARBURETOR. (Do I sound enough like a CROTCHETY OLD MAN at
>this
>point...Oh, well) This is what I tried to drum into the heads of the
>folks
>working with me on a big aquaculture project using massive biofiltration
>technology, and I mean the big head Honchos all the way down to the little
>techie dudes and dudettes, including the janitor and his little dog,
>too....
>In a recirc. aquaculture system WITHOUT aquaponics components, sludge can
>be
>Muy Bad.....No Bueno....In an aquaponics system suspended solids, or
>sludge,
>is not necessarily your enemy, but definitely sludge build up is, just like
>food is not your enemy but overeating or starvation is....O.K.?
>
>And, look, I've been through this so I can tell you it aint so easy to tell
>ahead of time if you are definitely going to cause this problem by a
>certain
>feeding rate, especially if you are going into a high pressure,
>testosterone-poisoned, beetle-browed, knuckle-walking guy-mode that is
>damning the torpedoes and trying to push too hard on the feeding curve and
>trying to break all the records and reap all that overrated
>SELF-GLORYBut, it is easy to recognize the consequences at the outset
>without it going too far if you back off and take the time to
>systematically
>examine what is going on, and then, if you have the ways and means as part
>of the design or operation options, you can adjust things.
>
>So, just as a biofilter is a biological carburetor, so is a plant cell, an
>animal cell, a bacterium, an organ system, etc. You can enrich the fuel
>feed rate and it will flood the damn thing. Too lean a mix and you wont be
>ginnin' like you should. The needle valves or fuel injectors and such
>within the carb or fuel injector can be roughly analogized to the pore size
>or pore volume "status" within the growing bed...Got me?You just gotta find
>that sweet spot somewhere between all the design elements and operating
>procedures, and suddenly the sun breaks through and everybody starts
>grinnin' while the engines are ginnin'. Can I get an Amen somebody?
>
> > I occasionally clean the tubes in the beds as there is both a bacterial
>and
> > algal buildup. And, when flooding the beds, I get a black algae growth
>that
> > is easily washed away (back into the tank----Teds free mean path) which
>is
> > eaten by the tilapia.
>
>Yes indeed, they will eat it. Especially those Nilotica. They attack it.
>
> > Since the S&S system is working in Nova Scotia, the system should work
>in
> > Wisconsin. Have you tried the Dutch seeds bred for greenhouse
>production?
> > They work. My heirlooms did not. Are you growing other plants in your
> > system such as watercress? If you are you might be encountering a
>botanical
> > benefit/curse called allelopathy. Then again maybe you just can't grow
>in
> > the winter months and should be planting now.
>
>Yeah, let's get down to the heart of the matter. Mr Steve, just where does
>the failure start in the 'mater culture process? Germination? Vegetative
>growth? Blossom? Fruit set? Describe the whole thing chronologically and
>also by detailed, descriptive, narrative from seed to plant or wherever you
>see a disappointment, and I would bet you money if I were a gambler...heh,
>heh, or I can almost guarantee that we as a group can de-mystify all this
>and push back the foggy befuddlement in short order. And will there be any
>fries with that, sir? We're on our way to a Wisconsin Happy Meal order.
>You could turn this into an Internet Wisconsin historic saga...kinda like
>an
>Icelandic saga, only different.
>
> > My West system was running clear and my East system looked terrible. The
> > tilapia were fry size so I was adding 2 cups of fish emulsion to the
>tanks
> > about every other day for the young tomatoes. I noticed if the West tank
> > got a little murky it cleared up after the addition of the fish
>emulsion.
> > The murky East system didn't clear. One day, out of anger, I added FOUR
> > cups of fish emulsion to the East system. I went home. Next morning the
> > East system was clear. I've since concluded that the nutrient load had
>been
> > insufficient to get a good bacteria bloom going in my media.
>
>Now you are talking my language. Now we are gettin' some where. Yeah,
>y'all...you know, I used fish emulsion and seaweed extract and it did all
>kinds of funky things for a while, but the fish didn't die as they were
>very
>young (low fish biomass, therefore low biochemical oxygen demand from the
>animal component of the system) and.....and this is the Grand Royal
>Component here..... the tanks were well oxygenated with an air blower and,
>at the time, air lifts....I switched to air stones later on. I "believe"
>that the JUDICIAL use of fish emulsion and S.W. extract early on helped
>prime the bacterial biomass pump, and created a long term trace nutrient
>reservoir, which I also later supplemented, I "believe", with the granite
>dust.
>
> > As for the S&S system not supporting tomatoes; many of my plants have
>seven
> > clusters. Yesterday I inadvertantly hit a lower cluster of green
>tomatoes.
> > They were so heavy that they stripped away taking stem tissue with them
>as
> > they fell. Upon weighing the four tomatoes had a combined weight of 27
> > ounces. I've also encountered breaking plants. Since I'm still learning
> > sometimes things get away from me. Several vines grew above their
>support
> > and the clusters pulled them over and the stem broke. The system grows
> > tomatoes. Whether it is commercially viable or not I don't know. I'll
>keep
> > trying. You do the same. ....Emmett
>
>Mr. Steve Spring...if you are still there.....here's another note....recall
>that I did not TRY to grow tomatoes. They were here and there in the
>system....I did plant a few here and there, but one sprung up volutarily
>because somebody was eating a sandwich during the construction phase and
>dropped a tomato seed from the sandwich onto the gravel. The thing sprang
>up and the next thing I new I had a tropical vine demanding to be fed,
>straight out of the Sci-Fi channel. I think I did not have optimal
>fruiting
>with the 'maters due to temperature and light variables that I was playing
>with for the benefit of the herbs and salads...not the tomatoes....but I
>can
>tell you I had some fruit and phenomenal, way out of control vegetative
>growth.....I had to rip up every 'mater plant in the greenhouse out of the
>gravel beds just so I could walk in between the beds...they became weeds!!!
>
>Blessings.
>
>Ted
>
>
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:50:32 -0500
Hi Adrianna,
As usual, your response is very much appreciated.
I'm printing your response as well as Ted's (as soon as I get my printer
going again...no major problem...just trying to get the paper feeder working
again.)
PLS. PLS. PLS. understand that I never, in no way, knock Tom & Paula's
system. It is just that they have so much success and I have limited success
with "basically" the same system. I want to grow tomatos in the winter so
badly that I "can taste it". (Not a bad pun, huh!)
I just, last night, read an article in the Aquaponics Journal about a lady,
a teacher, has very good success with tomatos in a purely aquaponic
system.(IN A GRAMMAR SCHOOL FOR GOD'S SAKE...THAT MAKES ME LOOK REAL
SMART!!) I am going to contact her and "pick her brain" if she will let me.
I, also, do agree with you that a true hydroponic system will probably grow
$ for $ equally good and probably more cost efficient tomatos than the Earth
Box will. But, I have the problem of time.(Also the problem that I'm having
trouble growing them aquaponically.) The Earth Box/greenhouse concept seems
to be a really good middle ground.
I just DO NOT have the time to tinker with another system: Hydroponic.
BUT, I WILL GROW SUMMERTIME TOMATOS IN WISCONSIN!! These guys are solid
GOLD! It is just a matter of time. And as long as I have the support from
fine people such as yourself and others, I will attain this goal.
Thanks.....You have a Great Day.....past my bedtime....bye.SS :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
underwear!!
Steve,
Yes, you're tired...I've been on this list for more than two years and
the subject of sludge build-up comes up regaularly as new operations
are set up. I had always assumed that Paula and Tom's system is so
perfectly fine tuned, balancing fish production plants, make-up water
composition, cultivation/bed clearing techniques and other
environmental factors "just-so" to make it work beautifully. It is
probably impossible to exactly replicate their conditons unless you
set up an identical operation right next door to them. So it is not
inconceivable that a similar or even identical operation (right down
to crop mix) might generate a sludge build-up because of some minor
difference in environmental factors, etc, in which case you can either
keep fiddling with the various factors until you hopefully achieve
Nirvana or, plan to put in a clarifier into your process.
Ted made a very interesting comment which has never come up in the
past 2+ years that I've monitored this list and I'm surprised that it
hasn't generated more follow-up discussion. That is his comment
about the different "binders" used by fish feed manufacturers. It
sounds logical to me that this could have a HUGE impact on the nature
and amount of sludge produced. This would certainly be an intersting
study project; I suspect different aquaponic growers get their feed
from a variety of sources which probably accounts for a major portion
of the different results that people are experiencing.
> I have an awful lot of "sludge" buildup in my systems plumbing. I'm
trying
> to remember what your statement was, maybe Steve's system wasn't
"tuned in
> yet". My system has been operating for almost a year. I just find
that the
> beds need to be cleaned out. And, yes, I do run a clarifier between
the
> tanks.
Let me correct something, I don't have fish at all, my growing method
is hydroponic and I have grown tomatoes in a variety of slapdah
(home-rigged hydro systems). My understanding is that you can grow
tomatoes aquaponically but the yields will be lower because the
nutrients aren't as high as optimal tomato production demands. I have
seen aquaponic tomatoes growing in Keyser VoTech in West Virginia; if
you are experiencing yield problems you may need to supplement the
aquaponic nutrients. I don't think the Earth Box itself will be the
critical component, but rather the nutrient. (By the way I have an
EarthBox and I think you can do just as well with other options that
are not so costly)
> guess. I know Adrianna and Ted (TGTX) talk about the wonderful
tomatos they
> grow in their aquaponic systems. (I don't have their success.) I
just spent
> close to $1,000 on a greenhouse and another $300 on Earthboxes
because I
> want to grow tomatoes in the wintertime in Wisconsin. I CANNOT get
tomatoes
> to grow in an aquaponic system.
One final note on the issue of aquaponic nutrients and sludge
build-up...Part of the intellectual appeal of the the S & S aquaponic
system is the beauty of the exquisite balance between the fish
production and the plants. As elegant as this set-up is, it may have
some drawbacks. I have become convinced that "unlinking" plant and
fish production and biodigest your solids may provide a superior
system in terms of flexibility and yields. The key to "unlinking
systems" is to be able to process and store the solids from the fish
beds. (I believe that Raul Vergueiro Martins has fine tuned the
biodigestion process to accomplish this effectively). In this manner
you can avoid the pitfalls of sludge build-up and gain much greater
flexibility on the plant production side. You will also be buffered in
case of a "crash" on either side of the system. I will post a
separate e-mail going into this subject in more detail under the
header "Unlinking Systems". I would like to hear your reactions and
your input to my ideas on this.
Adriana
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:10:57 -0500
Hi All,
I would like to add a quick p.s. to Paula's comment in Ralph's post.
If I had to do it all over again, I would stock MUCH LESS fish and
concentrate on "veggies" as Paula & Tom do. The various lettuces I have
grown aquaponically have met with nothing but fantastic responses. But, I
have these "GRANDFATHER" Tilapias who are 16-17 months old and still weigh
only 3/4 lb. ea. (So much for Mike Sipe's claim of unbelievable growth. By
the way, if any of you are considering buying broodstock from Mike
Sipe.....BUYER BEWARE! Only my opinion.)
Later..SS
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
underwear!!
In a message dated 4/9/01 11:01:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
snsaquasys 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< One thing I would remind you of -- we do not gear our system for maximum
fish production. A greater percent of the profit comes from the
produce/plant side, so that is the system that gets the most attention.
Using mechanical filtration, solids removal, and water changes, you can
grow
lots more pounds of fish per gallon than we do -- we just don't.
>>
Paula,
Could you share with us what your ratio of lbs. of fish per gal. of water
is?
Thanking you in advance, Ralph
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: "Harmon, Todd S."
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:17:19 -0400
Steve,
I have had good growth rates with these tilapia. Almost any aquacultured
tilapia can grow to 1.5-2lbs in 12 mos. if fed the proper diet and all water
quality conditions are favorable.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE SPRING [mailto:careplus 'at' execpc.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:11 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
underwear!!
Hi All,
I would like to add a quick p.s. to Paula's comment in Ralph's post.
If I had to do it all over again, I would stock MUCH LESS fish and
concentrate on "veggies" as Paula & Tom do. The various lettuces I have
grown aquaponically have met with nothing but fantastic responses. But, I
have these "GRANDFATHER" Tilapias who are 16-17 months old and still weigh
only 3/4 lb. ea. (So much for Mike Sipe's claim of unbelievable growth. By
the way, if any of you are considering buying broodstock from Mike
Sipe.....BUYER BEWARE! Only my opinion.)
Later..SS
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
underwear!!
In a message dated 4/9/01 11:01:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
snsaquasys 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< One thing I would remind you of -- we do not gear our system for maximum
fish production. A greater percent of the profit comes from the
produce/plant side, so that is the system that gets the most attention.
Using mechanical filtration, solids removal, and water changes, you can
grow
lots more pounds of fish per gallon than we do -- we just don't.
>>
Paula,
Could you share with us what your ratio of lbs. of fish per gal. of water
is?
Thanking you in advance, Ralph
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:32:59 -0600
STEVE SPRING wrote:
...
>
> I just, last night, read an article in the Aquaponics Journal about a lady,
> a teacher, has very good success with tomatos in a purely aquaponic
> system.(IN A GRAMMAR SCHOOL FOR GOD'S SAKE...THAT MAKES ME LOOK REAL
> SMART!!) I am going to contact her and "pick her brain" if she will let me.
>
...
Oh fer sure Steve - you're like so definitely tired.
The thing about Aquaponics ala S&S is it's a tried and true
even though not the way to maximize the production of stuff
to the nth degree per cubic foot per ounce of fertilizer per
microwatt of power. It would not be my method of choice to
maximize profit if I was lusting for megabucks and nothing
else.
How some ever it's viable for good profit and healthy food
and is forgiving and friendly. Of course I enjoy the
structure we received from S&S and it is little challenge as
long as we don't get too creative or think we're aquaponics
or hydroponics "experts". I certainly think it's a good way
to make some money in a well engineered system that yields
healthy food in a wonderful environment.
Every problem I have had with it is due to getting creative
and/or a lapse in discipline.
Marc
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:05:17 EDT
In a message dated 4/12/01 1:12:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
careplus 'at' execpc.com writes:
<< o much for Mike Sipe's claim of unbelievable growth. By
the way, if any of you are considering buying broodstock from Mike
Sipe.....BUYER BEWARE! Only my opinion.)
Later..SS
>>
Would just like to say that I have had terrific results with some of Mike
Sipe,s broodstock and will be ordering more soon.
I feel strongly that anyone who listens to Ted & Paula will have good
results, and the same goes for Mikesipe, raising them according his
instructions and I had good results, doing it my way I failed.
Just thought i would share my experience. By the way we received the BEST IN
SHOW award at the Va state fair last fall with offspring frome Mike,s
broodstock.
Ralph
| Message 8
Subject: More Interesting Soil Biology
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:10:44 -0400
Until I joined this list I never thought about or even imagined what is
going on in the soil around us and how complicated soil biology is.
This week's Science News has an article, "Fungi slay insects and feed
host plants", about a fungus that kills a soil insect and makes the
insect's nitrogen available to pine trees in exchange for some
carbohydrates. When I read the article it reminded me of some Texas
Tedziod's soil biology post and thought some of you may be interested in
the article. As chance would have it, the article is unfortunately not
online, but here's a link to the article references and sources.
http://www.sciencenews.org/20010407/fob3ref.asp
Bill
as Croaker the Frog sez:
"time's fun when you're having flies,"
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:51:43 -0400
TGTX wrote:
>
> >
> The Grand Regal Factors in all this include the carbon to oxygen feed ratios
> and rates, folks.
.....and this is the Grand Royal
> Component here.....
> Blessings.
>
> Ted
Ted,
You're a nut, but I can assure you, you are effecting the lives of
hundreds here on this list in a very profound way. I got what most of
your post was about, but I'm little lost with the "Grand Royal
Factor/Component" thing. Ca-peach? (SP?)
Bill
What if there were no hypothetical questions?
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:10:58 -0400
At 07:51 PM 4/12/2001 -0400, Bill Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>Bill
>What if there were no hypothetical questions?
>
Remember, when I die, you cease to exist. ....Emmett
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:35:03 -0400
At 12:41 PM 4/12/2001 -0400, Devon Williams wrote:
>So much of this is over my head, I can only ask questions. A few things
>interested me about Ted's post...
> 1. why would I want to add fish emulsion or seaweed extract? and by
>this, I mean what indicaitons might I see in my tanks/beds?
> 2. how much of the stuff would you gurus recommend for a small system?
> My tank is 125 gallons, and my growing bed is 32 cubic feet.
> 3. Ted, tell me more about the granite dust... my entire bed is filled
>with granite gravel (due to most of Georgia sitting on top of parts of Stone
>Mountain...the largest granite outcropping in the world...I think). Is the
>granite helping my nutrient base?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Devon Williams
My "Engineering model" is the size of your system. (Peggy will be pleased
when it's moved from my back patio to the greenhouse.) If you order liquid
seaweed from: www.gardens-alive.com, then 1 cup should disappear in your
system overnight. You will have given your bacteria all sorts of wonderful
auxins, cytoplasms, and trace minerals that they would not ordinarily
receive. And the little rascals bank it. Curiously enough I swear after
adding it the enormous gold fish, in my home system, become more gold.
There are no "indications". Just do it. You'll become one with your
system. .....Emmett
| Message 12
Subject: Broodstock...
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:49 -0700
Hi Todd,
By the word "these"...did U mean Mike S' fish? and if so ...what type
are U doing?? (Pennyfish, Egyptian...etc..)
Id like to know a bit more about your experiences, thinking I might set
up a lil mini hatchery.
Mike.
Harmon, Todd S. wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I have had good growth rates with these tilapia.
> Todd
>
> is?
> Thanking you in advance, Ralph
| Message 13
Subject: a little faith
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:41:27 -0500
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To those of you that doubt S&S systems, It may not be all high tech but =
it is slowly working for me. I just had a major die off a couple of =
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couple of weeks. Yes it does grow tomatoes. It just takes time to find =
the sweet spot. We have to remember that we are using different =
systems, and that not every fix is perfect.
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:19:49 -0700
Ralph,
I had the pleasure of visiting Chris Weaver's farm in Toronto last year,
and was surprised at the small footprint he was using to breed the fish
he needs for his 160 K plus lbs. of operation, could you please tell us
a bit more about the steps U use to produce your fish? What are the
major drawbacks in production, and are there any regrets that you have
withthis type of fish?
Also, in a brief sentence, could you be a bit more specific as to your
FCR, and growth rates with these types of fish?
Thanks, Mike.
JAMAICA.
RalphMcl 'at' aol.com wrote:
>
Would just like to say that I have had terrific results with some of
Mike Sipe,s broodstock and will be ordering more soon.
> I feel strongly that anyone who listens to Ted & Paula will have good
> results, and the same goes for Mikesipe, raising them according his
> instructions and I had good results, doing it my way I failed.
> Just thought i would share my experience. By the way we received the BEST IN SHOW award at
the Va state fair last fall with offspring frome Mike,s broodstock.
> Ralph
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| Message 15
Subject: Change your Headers
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:32:49 -0700
I made a mistake just now although I intended otherwise.
Please everyone before adding/replying to my previous mail please change
the header to "Broodstock". Lets help keep the archives clean for the
generations to come. The header used has been flagging for a while....
Respex,
Mike,
JAMAICA.
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>
> Ralph,
>
> I had the pleasure of visiting Chris Weaver's farm in Toronto last year,
> and was surprised at the small footprint he was using to breed the fish
> he needs for his 160 K plus lbs. of operation, could you please tell us
> a bit more about the steps U use to produce your fish? What are the
> major drawbacks in production, and are there any regrets that you have
> withthis type of fish?
>
> Also, in a brief sentence, could you be a bit more specific as to your
> FCR, and growth rates with these types of fish?
>
> Thanks, Mike.
> JAMAICA.
>
> RalphMcl 'at' aol.com wrote:
> >
> Would just like to say that I have had terrific results with some of
> Mike Sipe,s broodstock and will be ordering more soon.
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