Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/03/01
Message 1: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 04/30/01
from "TGTX"
Message 2: Re: Chicken manure
from Gordon Watkins
Message 3: Re: Chicken manure
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 4: Re: Biodigesters cooperative relationships
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 5: Re: Chicken manure
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 6: Mohapatra's Greenhouse Book
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 7: Reply to - Re: Mohapatra's Greenhouse Book
from "David Atkinson"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 04/30/01
From: "TGTX"
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:29:24 -0500
> just keep Auntie Bonnie's story in mind when you start to bitch. I,
> personally, will take government regulations over unfettered Capitolism
and
> day.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
Hey Dave, don't get me wrong. I read Upton Sinclair's "the Jungle", too,
you know. It was required reading in my high school English program, as
part of the gradual socialist conditioning in our public educational
system. But, with further reading and research we know that Sinclair was a
dyed in the wool socialist and would have linked arms with Stalin, that joy
boy for planet earth, any day, given the chance. (They didn't bother to
reveal that part in the high school English class. Isn't that interesting?)
Five year plans and New Deals wrapped in golden chains.
The sales pitch is that capitalism needs to be fettered to protect the
little guy, because the little guy has absolutely no power of choice, no
intelligence, nor power of self discipline nor self protection nor self
movitation, nor self education, nor self determination
.But once the
goods are delivered, the "demonized" multinational corporations (as well as
the mom and pop operations) are thus fettered, much more than necessary (the
socialists and communist are never so "demonized" thanks to sympathetic
academia and press media
while in the mean time millions die in the
Gulags
.and billions are under surveillance by totalitarian
regimes)
.and then the little guy is presented with the government tab
for all those wonderful services rendered
and the end result is that the
little guy ends up being a little more "fettered" by the paternalistic
bureaucracy in an evolutionary process of the erosion of individual freedom
in deference to the State, as if we were a hive with a hive "mind", or as if
the Rhodes Scholar philosopher kings with degrees in Public Administration
from John F Kennedy School of Public Affairs, who never ran a business or
made a payroll, were genetically or culturally superior and thus more
qualified in statecraft and the running of society
HA!!.
Look, I have worked within both the private sector and within city and state
governments. Rules and regulations are necessary evils. You gotta have
them. But, give me free trade associations and rational consumer unions and
private sector consortiums for setting organic standards and for self
policing any day, to the degree that it is feasible and possible, over such
hallowed government institutions as public schools and the multiple tiers of
increasingly intrusive, stupid, overly fastidious, non-productive government
programs. Those are MY choices, not what I would forcibly impose on those
who really love the weight and feel and "security" of their golden chains,
courtesy of the government, on their limbs
My problem is that, as an
individual in this ever increasing, swarming hive, this madding crowd, which
use to be a frontier and a republic, I have fewer and fewer options and
choices to operate within a free society and a free market of empowered,
self determined, sovereign,educated, intelligent, free
individuals
.there are no more countries or frontiers to migrate to,
until we get some cheap, private space transportation and colonize the final
frontier and get the hell away from the degenerating, depraved hive.
But as for organic standards, now it is too late
. and now we have the
national Organic Food Production Act and the USDA standards to go with
them
it took them at least, what, 6 or 8 years after the Act to establish
those
.do I think that OFPA is tantamount to totalitarianism??
.No, not
at all
.but 8 years?? and look at all those rules
to "improve" on
the best food supply in the world??? And we are paying a swarm of
bureacrats that live in Washington's Beltway the big bucks to administer it
all
That's just crazy, man. The states could have done it just
fine
or better, a national trade association
it is done with all kinds
of other industries and trades, why not organic farming and food production?
Am I against having standards and rules? No. Do I prefer organic food over
"conventional" food? Sure
but I have my reasons for that, involving soil
conservation and resource efficiency and local self government and home
rule
.my preferences for organic foods don't involve a child like trust
that I place in the wisdom of the government to "protect" me.
And while we are on the subject, we should abolish the IRS and set up an ad
valorem tax in its stead, and cut federal spending by 20%
at least.
Another Lone Star Opinion From Out Here on the Prairie.
Ted
Just Sittin' round the campfire with my whittling knife,
Both the sittin, the campfire, and my knife are now being made illegal by
some overly fastidious curmugeon somewhere.
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Chicken manure
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:47:55 -0500
Be aware that commercial poultry litter will likely have high levels of
some heavy metals such as copper (as high as 500 ppm+), cadmium and
perhaps arsenic. I'm not sure what the effects of biodigestion would
have on these materials, but studies have shown that the composting
process can actually make them more available for plant uptake. Heavy
metals are cumulative toxins which, with repeated use, can become
problematic. I would be particularly wary of their use in recirculating
systems and, at the very least, monitor levels regularly.
Gordon Watkins
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
> Devon,
> Chicken manure is one of the best manure candidates for biodigestion
> because of its concentrated nature.
>
> Adriana
>
> > I read somewhere (I'm pretty sure in one of the list posts) that
> chicken
> > manure should not be used in biodigestion. Is this the case?
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Chicken manure
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:08:35 +0100
Hello Adriana:
Chiken manure as well as laying hen manure are some of the best manures to be biodigested,
" IF THE BIRDS ARE BREEDED IN CAGES ".
Land breeded chicken manure should not be used in biodigestion, as is mixed with bed
material, generally prepared with wood shavings.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
> Devon,
> Chicken manure is one of the best manure candidates for biodigestion
> because of its concentrated nature.
>
> Adriana
>
> > I read somewhere (I'm pretty sure in one of the list posts) that
> chicken
> > manure should not be used in biodigestion. Is this the case?
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Biodigesters cooperative relationships
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:08:21 +0100
Hello Kris:
You don't need a speciall engine to burn biogas.
If you have a gasoline powered engine, it will do very well with biogas.
You must change the "gicleur" of the carburator, and regulate the engine.
But remember: - At least you must clean biogas from SH2. If you don't make this, your
engine will be destroyed in a week or so.
For a better performance, you should clean biogas from CO2 too. This way, you will work
with pure methane.
Best regards
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
kris book wrote:
> Judy,
>
> "If you build it, they will come".
> "Field of Dreams"
>
> Micro-turbine technology today is very expensive to purchase but, with
> its multi-fuel capabilities competition will drive the price down very
> quickly. When that happens, a bio-digester gas station is going to mighty
> popular place. In the mean time you could power your poultry farm on
> chicken poop and turn your fields into fertile ground. In the next few
> years, traditional power prices are going to go thru the roof and
> everyone not just organic farmers will be looking for cheap fuel or
> fertilizer. If our gasoline prices go as high as Europe's, the whole time
> line on bio-digester use will increase expotentially. The oil industry is
> herding us towards independence, and I say the sooner the better.
>
> kris
>
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| Message 5
Subject: Re: Chicken manure
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:14:53 -0500
Thanks for the warning Gordon,
Why does poultry litter have such a high metal content to begin with?
Does it have a therapeutic function in poultry rearing? This makes
it doubly important to monitor your sources of inputs.
> Be aware that commercial poultry litter will likely have high levels
of
> some heavy metals such as copper (as high as 500 ppm+), cadmium and
> perhaps arsenic. I'm not sure what the effects of biodigestion would
> have on these materials, but studies have shown that the composting
> process can actually make them more available for plant uptake.
Heavy
> metals are cumulative toxins which, with repeated use, can become
> problematic. I would be particularly wary of their use in
recirculating
> systems and, at the very least, monitor levels regularly.
| Message 6
Subject: Mohapatra's Greenhouse Book
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:12:44 -0500
I sent an e-mail to Dr. Mohapatra inquiring about how to purchase his
book "Affordable Greenhouse Technology (A do it yourself manual)" and
this was his reply:
"The second edition is in the works and will be out soon with several
additions and modifications. Send a $30.00 check to STAS, Inc. 10
Bluegrass Drive, Warrenton, NC 27589. You will first receive a copy of
the
old edition (if one is still available). The new edition will be sent
to
the same address at no additional cost. If copies of old edition are
all
exhausted, you will get the new edition. At this time I can not say
exactly when it will come out, but I suspect some time between June 15
and
July 31 of this year."
Adriana
| Message 7
Subject: Reply to - Re: Mohapatra's Greenhouse Book
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:32:02 -0400
I will wait for the 'new' edition. Maybe the goodly 'Doctor' could let us
know when it is published.
David A
(atkindw 'at' cybervale.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: Adriana Gutierrez
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:12 PM
Subject: Mohapatra's Greenhouse Book
> I sent an e-mail to Dr. Mohapatra inquiring about how to purchase his
> book "Affordable Greenhouse Technology (A do it yourself manual)" and
> this was his reply:
>
> "The second edition is in the works and will be out soon with several
> additions and modifications. Send a $30.00 check to STAS, Inc. 10
> Bluegrass Drive, Warrenton, NC 27589. You will first receive a copy of
> the
> old edition (if one is still available). The new edition will be sent
> to
> the same address at no additional cost. If copies of old edition are
> all
> exhausted, you will get the new edition. At this time I can not say
> exactly when it will come out, but I suspect some time between June 15
> and
> July 31 of this year."
>
> Adriana
>
|
