Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/10/01
Message 1: Re: "a plug"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: A great experience!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: Admin. notes - Subject changed to Greenhouse, was Re: More On Humic Acids
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: More On Humic Acids
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: "a plug"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re: "a plug"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 7: Fish Sales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: RE: pH too low. from "Carlos Arano"
Message 9: Re: Fish Sales
from "KenHale"
Message 10: Mohapatha greenhouse design
from "bennett"
Message 11: Re: Mohapatha greenhouse design
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 12: Re: Fish Sales
from Peggy & Emmett
| Message 1
Subject: Re: "a plug"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:28:24 -0500
Thanks Paula,
You are eloquent and beautiful as always. I try to limit my slamming of Mr.
M.S. "Just enough to "p
. him off"
Most of my dealings are positive though. Thanks again. Hope to meet you
someday.
Again, sorry for posting my original message to the list. It was a mistake.
Steve
(p.s. I checked the address this time. :) )
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: "a plug"
At 08:19 PM 05/07/2001 -0500, Steve wrote:
>OOPS!
>
>Sorry Paula,
>
>I meant to send this to you personally. I didn't mean to address it to the
>list. I always ask your permission before I endorse or "slam" someone.
>Truly, truly sorry 'bout this.
Steve - I don't think any of us object to positive testimonials, especially
on equipment that may have applications to other list members. So if you
have had a good experience with a supplier, we'd like to hear about it.
As I've said to you before, though, I think it's best to err on the side of
caution when you have had a negative experience with a company or product.
If it pertains to a current discussion and you have some negatives to
report, I think a general statement to that effect with a request to take
the conversations off-list if anyone's interested is a more appropriate way
to go. There is a very fine line between negative comments and what can be
construed as slander -- I think it's best left to private email. Keep in
mind that even though our archives are not current, much of what is
discussed here is reposted in various other places on the internet. Hate
to see you get tied up in a lawsuit and have to abandon your project :>)
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 2
Subject: A great experience!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:59:57 -0500
Hi Gang,
Well, I have my "ducks in a row" this time. Paula said it was o.k. to submit
this.
I have a tremendous story and a glowing recommendation. I, again, have to
say that I get no special kickback, renumeration or anything for this. It is
just a story that is kind of neat and the people involved should be
recognized.
I, as most of you know, live in Wisconsin. It gets really cold up here.
Tilapia, as you know, need to be kept at a temp of +/- 80F. I tried to do
this in a number of ways: space heater, grow lights, etc. I just did not
want to spend the money on a tank heater. They are expensive. I finally,
last winter, gave in and ordered a tank heater from Mr. Doug Drennan.
douglas 'at' aquasales.com. Doug has a couple of companies in the Fla. area
dealing with aquaculture and aquaponics.
Anyway, I didn't have the money at that time. The heater was +/- $230 and he
only had 1. We went back and forth. He was very kind. I told him that I
didn't have the money, but I really needed THAT heater. This gentleman put
it aside and held it for me on just my word. (He didn't know what a kind
person I am
."socially insensitive"
.LUV THAT!!) Well, to make a long
story short, I finally came up with the money and ordered the heater. Well,
as impulsive as I am, I soon burned out one of the fuses. I called Doug and
he helped me with reordering the fuses. Shortly after that, the electrical
sensor burned out
.the ground wire wasn't connected. He & his staff
directed me to the company that actually produced the heater: CLEPCO. I
contacted them and talked to a lady named Joyce in Homestead, Fla. I told
her that I had tried to replace the defective part, but was unable to find
it locally. She told me that I wasn't to mess with it
.just send the whole
thing back to them. I just, a couple of days ago, received a BRAND NEW
HEATER from these people.
WHAT AN EXPERIENCE!! In a day and age where everybody is trying to limit
liability
.I get contacted by this individual, Doug, because of a posting
in the aquaponics list, and he is so kind and helpful. Also his associate
company, Cleveland Processing Co., CLEPCO, out of Homestead, Fl. is TOTALLY
UNBELIEVABLE.
I guess I can say, that if anyone needs anything in the
aquaponics/aquaculture field, pls. give doug a call/email. He may not be the
cheapest around but he is certainly competitive and his warranty and
availability is AWESOME!
Just a quick thanks Doug
Yours truly
.Steve
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Admin. notes - Subject changed to Greenhouse, was Re: More On Humic Acids
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:02:00 -0500
Thanks
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Admin. notes - Subject changed to Greenhouse, was Re: More On Humic
Acids
At 08:41 PM 05/07/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Adriana, Carol & Michael,
>
>I am, by no stretch of the imagination, saying that my greenhouse is the
>"way to go", but I am very, very pleased with it. I'm also pleased with the
>customer support of the company.
>
>Before I forget, the address of the company is: dgiworld 'at' transport.com One
>person that you can talk to is Wendy Smith. Their ph. # is 800-955-2879.
>Regrettably, they don't have a website that shows their product, but if
you
>call and ask, they will send you "tons" of information by "snail mail".
>
Note to all -- please take the time to adjust your subject lines when you
change the topic -- it's really hard to keep track of, and I'm sure some
people are deleting without reading just because they are unaware of the
content.
Thanks,
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 4
Subject: Re: More On Humic Acids
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:12:04 -0500
Hi Adrianna,
I believe that 12 1/2' wide is the maximum width
.only reason being is the
greenhouse cover. The length is "as long as your imagination". But, for
specifics, contact Wendy at the number I gave. If you lost it, I can find it
again.
Well, according to the weather people, we are supposed to experience another
major storm within the next 24 hrs. We'll see. Pardon my "FRENCH", but
"damned" this Wisconsin weather. It is either freezing, hundred mph winds or
mosquitoes
.can't win. BUT, GOD, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL STATE!!
Take care
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: More On Humic Acids
Steve,
Do they make any big greenhouses, or just hobby sized? By big I mean
at least 30' x 96'.
Adriana
> Before I forget, the address of the company is:
dgiworld 'at' transport.com One
> person that you can talk to is Wendy Smith. Their ph. # is
800-955-2879.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: "a plug"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:14:48 -0500
Hi Ted,
Was actually thinking about you. Hope you and yours are o.k.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: "a plug"
> Would you mind if I put in a kind word for Mr. Douglas Drenner 'at' Aqua
Sales?
> This gentleman was so very kind in helping me with a heater.
Doug's a good man, if this is the same Doug I know.
Ted
| Message 6
Subject: Re: "a plug"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:17:40 -0500
DOGONE, I DID IT AGAIN!!
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: "a plug"
Thanks Paula,
You are eloquent and beautiful as always. I try to limit my slamming of Mr.
M.S. "Just enough to "p
. him off"
Most of my dealings are positive though. Thanks again. Hope to meet you
someday.
Again, sorry for posting my original message to the list. It was a mistake.
Steve
(p.s. I checked the address this time. :) )
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: "a plug"
At 08:19 PM 05/07/2001 -0500, Steve wrote:
>OOPS!
>
>Sorry Paula,
>
>I meant to send this to you personally. I didn't mean to address it to the
>list. I always ask your permission before I endorse or "slam" someone.
>Truly, truly sorry 'bout this.
Steve - I don't think any of us object to positive testimonials, especially
on equipment that may have applications to other list members. So if you
have had a good experience with a supplier, we'd like to hear about it.
As I've said to you before, though, I think it's best to err on the side of
caution when you have had a negative experience with a company or product.
If it pertains to a current discussion and you have some negatives to
report, I think a general statement to that effect with a request to take
the conversations off-list if anyone's interested is a more appropriate way
to go. There is a very fine line between negative comments and what can be
construed as slander -- I think it's best left to private email. Keep in
mind that even though our archives are not current, much of what is
discussed here is reposted in various other places on the internet. Hate
to see you get tied up in a lawsuit and have to abandon your project :>)
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 7
Subject: Fish Sales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:26:23 -0500
Hi Gang,
I'm totally disgusted with my fish performance. I initially ordered Mike
Sipe's breeders and they did extremely well. But in trying to finish this
line I have a lot of inbreeding which is causing problems. This is evident
by Mr. Bruce Shreiber's comments.
I would like to purchase another 1,000 fingerlings, but am having problems
finding a provider for such a small amount. Anyone have any input?
Thanks
.Steve
| Message 8
Subject: RE: pH too low.From: "Carlos Arano"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:32:23 -0300
Devon:
The best wide range for your plants should be between 5.5 to 6.5. If you
want to be in a much better range, more difficult to keep, you should be
between 5.8 to 6.3.
I believe these ranges are good for your fish also. But since I'm not an
expert, I belive Paula will have the right answer for the second part of the
history.
If you still want to go up on the pH scale, I will suggest a well
diluted KOH solution (NEVER CONCENTRATE). It will give you ions K+ and ions
HO- , both good for plants, and it will rise your pH.
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From: Devon Williams
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:32 PM
Subject: pH too low.
> Hi all
.before my system started up, I had a pH of 7.6 and I was a little
> concerned about that, but I had many individuals reassure me that it was
> fine and would probably lower itself throught the nitrification process.
> Now, I have swung the other direction
.Any suggestions for raising the pH
> to a more desirable measurement? Right now, my pH reading is at about
6.0.
> I am thinking it should be more like 6.5 or 6.8
.FYI, the gravel I use in
> my system is granite from a local quarry
.might this be part of the
> problem?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Devon Williams
> Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
> Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 9
Subject: Re: Fish Sales
From: "KenHale"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:48:50 -0500
Steve - where are you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: Fish Sales
> Hi Gang,
>
> I'm totally disgusted with my fish performance. I initially ordered Mike
> Sipe's breeders and they did extremely well. But in trying to finish this
> line I have a lot of inbreeding which is causing problems. This is evident
> by Mr. Bruce Shreiber's comments.
>
> I would like to purchase another 1,000 fingerlings, but am having problems
> finding a provider for such a small amount. Anyone have any input?
>
> Thanks
.Steve
>
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Mohapatha greenhouse design
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:17:12 -0400
Hello all,
I am really intrigued with the Mohapatha greenhouse design, now that I've
seen it. (Thank you Carlos and Adrianne for getting it posted on a web
site.) http://www.geocities.com/c_arano
I do have some questions that I'd welcome others in the list to discuss:
1 - What kinds of "rope" or twine would hold up under humidity and
sunlight for at least 5 years?
2 - Will this design work with the double layer of plastic air pillow
design commonly used here in the USA?
3 - Will it handle snow loads?
Probably I'll think of more later, but really am interested in
incorporating it in a "standard hoop" design, 'cause I have some hoops!
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Mohapatha greenhouse design
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:09:32 -0500
I would think that the braided nylon which you can get at Home Depot
would hold up. The stuff seems indestructible. You might look into
"marine" products since they are exposed to lots of sun and water.
The type of stuff used to tie bumpers to the sides of bosats or to tie
a boat to a dock. A quick call to the technical department of the
manufacturer of these products should be enough to tell you how UV
stable these are.
> 1 - What kinds of "rope" or twine would hold up under humidity
and
> sunlight for at least 5 years?
I don, t see why not.
> 2 - Will this design work with the double layer of plastic air
pillow
> design commonly used here in the USA?
I think "gothic" arches are better for snow because the steeper slopes
encourage the snow to slide off rather than accumulate. Maybe you can
modify your standard arches to increase the pitch.
> 3 - Will it handle snow loads?
> Probably I'll think of more later, but really am interested in
> incorporating it in a "standard hoop" design, 'cause I have some
hoops!
I suspect that Mohapatra's book may address the snow issue since he is
currently in residence in North Carolina.
Adriana
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Fish Sales
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:44:01 -0400
At 02:26 AM 5/10/2001 -0500, STEVE SPRING wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>
>I>I would like to purchase another 1,000 fingerlings, but am having problems
>finding a provider for such a small amount. Anyone have any input?
>
>Thanks
.Steve
>
>
>
I got mine from Steve Abernathy, no order too small. All male hybrids.
Contact: tiltech 'at' bellsouth.net
Emmett
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