Aquaponics Digest - Mon 05/14/01
Message 1: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: new member
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: new member - Welcome
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: RE: A cheap greenhouse design
from "billevans"
Message 6: bio-digester home experiment. Comments?
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 7: Re: new member - Welcome
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 8: Re: new member - Welcome
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 9: RE: bio-digester home experiment. Comments?
from Darren Pearce
Message 10: RE: A cheap greenhouse design
from Darren Pearce
Message 11: Re: A cheap greenhouse design
from marc 'at' aculink.net
| Message 1
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:12:26 -0500
Wow Marc,
I'm proud of you. That sounds like something I would have said. WELL DONE!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
Well Put Tedzo!
I would have had to launch one of my tirades about the
current state of scam artist protectionist socialist
mongering human hating government employees at the pork
barrel feed trough of the eternal children "take care of me"
bunch willing to take half of what I make to support their
endless addiction to the illusion of government protection.
I'm so happy I didn't have to.
Marc
TGTX wrote:
>
.>
> And "certified" means inspected and registered and stamped etc by the
State
> and/or the Feds
So, the State inspectors drive out to your area in
| Message 2
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:23:16 -0500
My Man Ted,
The master of understatement. Hey, you're dealing with a bunch of "rebels"
here
.what do you expect. By the way, just saw "THE PATRIOT" last night,
speaking of rebels. What a heluva show. GLADIATOR should have never won all
of those academies
"THE PATRIOT" was a much better show. What does this
have to do with aquaponics???
.absolutely nothing!
I figure that any movie that can make ole "socially insensitive" cry two
times needs to be mentioned
.Oh well, so much for that.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
> Aw, come on Ted. It's really not that bad. I've been certified continously
for
> over 20 years now and, yes, it's gotten a little more stringent, and yes,
it's
> gotten a little more expensive and, yes, there's a little more paperwork,
but
> the expanded markets and higher prices for my products way more more than
offset
> the expense and inconvienience.
Oh.
O.K.
Then everything is AOK.
Sorry to have brought up any kind of opinions otherwise.
Good night, Nurse.
Ted
| Message 3
Subject: Re: new member
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:29:33 -0500
"DITTO"
"SOCIALLY INSENSITIVE", Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: new member
> We are Barb and Jim Joyner -- we've joined this list, primarily, with a
> great interest in aquaponics, but we notice that other interesting topics
> get woven into a good-hearted fray.
>
Howdy Barb and Jim.
Glad you could Joyn us.
Ted
| Message 4
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:35:26 -0500
"Socially Inept"???
Who would she be talking about??
LOL
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
Jim and Barb,
Welcome to this jolly, dysfunctional, rambunctious and occasionally
socially inept crowd. I think we can learn as much from you as you
can from us.
Adriana
(Where in Tennessee are you - N, S, E or W?)
> Presently, we are setting up a 20x20 metal hoop frame greenhouse. In
it we
> are planning a single "node" with a fish tank and 4 growing beds. We
have
> high hopes for growing a lot of produce but realize we probably have
a lot
> to learn. To that end we are happy to be here.
>
> Barb and Jim Joyner
>
>
>
| Message 5
Subject: RE: A cheap greenhouse design
From: "billevans"
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 22:52:20 -0700
DOnt know what's growin in the g/house-some plants can tolerate lower light
levels( anyone doin aquaponic orchids?)- nor how much air exchange. I was
thinking of the g/house paints that diminish the light some to keep things
cool in summer heat and high sun intensity.
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As things look now, I'd be reticent to paint the 6 mil due to it's lowered
light transmission.
| Message 6
Subject: bio-digester home experiment. Comments?
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 03:30:21 -0700
Hi guys.
Back from a month aways
.been up to Canada again for ma bride
. now
back here in Jamrock with bride and all
!! Finally
Greetings to all the new ones in the list
.went to see Chris Weaver
again
. for a greeeeat time. including home grown wine and beer and
lotsa aquaponics
We spoke a lot on fish breeding!! I am gonna try a thing with a home
breeding station for tilapia methinks.
Hi Darren maybe I missed something but just what type of slurry are you
gonna run thru 1/4 inch?? Sounds a bit too small to me if it is liquid I
would use a minimum of 1/2 inch to 1 inch.Last thing U want is
blockage.
Fill me in
I might have missed something.
Regards
Mike.
Darren Pearce wrote:
>
> As long as I've "de-lurked", I may as well pass this idea along for the
> purpose of inviting comments/critique.
>
> My curiosity was piqued by the bio-digester thread and I would like to trial a
> small, inexpensive system.I've been thinking along the lines of.>
> Construct a small manifold to accept 1/4" tubing and drill/tap the bucket lids
> to accept the 1/4" tubing as well.
| Message 7
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:27:51 -0500
Why do you ask Steve? This is just a group that has found out how to
put the "FUN" back into "DYSFUNCTIONAL" :>).
> "Socially Inept"???
| Message 8
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:19:03 -0600
It's a PC way to say honest.
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
>
> Why do you ask Steve? This is just a group that has found out how to
> put the "FUN" back into "DYSFUNCTIONAL" :>).>
> > "Socially Inept"???
| Message 9
Subject: RE: bio-digester home experiment. Comments?
From: Darren Pearce
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:41:57 -0400
Hi Mike
>Back from a month aways
.been up to Canada again for ma bride
. now
>back here in Jamrock with bride and all
!! Finally
<
CONGRATS!!!
>
>Hi Darren maybe I missed something but just what type of slurry are you
>gonna run thru 1/4 inch?? Sounds a bit too small to me if it is liquid I
>would use a minimum of 1/2 inch to 1 inch.Last thing U want is
>blockage.
I may not have offered a very sound explanation, but hopefully the only thing
to see the 1/4 inch lines will be gases
. methane etc.
I may not need to vent at all due to the small quantities involved
.We'll
see.
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| Message 10
Subject: RE: A cheap greenhouse design
From: Darren Pearce
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:39:26 -0400
Marc,
you wrote
>We discovered even with the 6 mil stuff in a high enough
>wind the poly immediately opposite the wind direction on the
>downward side of the roof peak will bubble up and eventually
>stretch/fail. Seems to be a low pressure area like an
>airplane wing and has significant upward lift.
>
>HIGHLY reccomend the use of some type of poly lock down
>strips on at least the upper third of the arches on BOTH
>sides since winds can shift. They can be had VERY
>economically and will pay for themselves during the first
>windstorm.
>
Message From>http://www.aculink.net/~marc/greenhouse/greenhouse.htm
>
>The backbone idea is virtually bulletproof. Our 30 by 95
>2"PVC arched greenhouse withstood winds with no problem
>until the poly let loose.
>
>Our greenhouse did not have the side rails and crosspieces
>anchored to the center backbone posts installed yet and all
>the PVC did was to bend inwards. It was not damaged and
>reused without replacement and bent outward again with no
>problem.
>
>Again -- the poly hold down strips are invaluable.
>
>Marc
>
>
.>> Secondly:
>> We used 4 mil standard poly (not greenhouse poly)due to budget
>> constraints.This probably played a significant role in the demise of the
>> unit.This year we went with 6 mil and I'll gladly report results as the
season
>> progresses.We have had 50 mph winds so far without a hint of damage.
>
WOW! Pretty impressive that the structure stood up to that beating!
We may be demonstrating a difference in scale, as I have never experienced a
lifting effect on the downwind side of the structure(10x12 VS. 30x90), but as
a weekend sailor, I'm aware of the principles involved
. or by chance is your
unit built as a twin skin/pillow type G-house??? I admittedly put my plastic
on pretty tight but
. I dunno.What do you think?
I like the look of your project.Could you possibly, either here or in private
give a rough breakdown in cost/materials?
Thanks in advance
Darren
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| Message 11
Subject: Re: A cheap greenhouse design
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:25:04 -0600
Darren Pearce wrote:
>
.or by chance is your
> unit built as a twin skin/pillow type G-house???
Ours is single skin.
I admittedly put my plastic
> on pretty tight but
. I dunno.What do you think?
We had ours pretty tight and the upwards force of the wind
stretched it right up.
> I like the look of your project.Could you possibly, either here or in private
> give a rough breakdown in cost/materials?
Seems on-topic so here goes:
The pipe is 2 inch PVC sched 40 coated with 20 mils of latex
to protect the plastic from the PVC.
The top center rail is used 1-1/2 inch schedule 40 used well
pipe. $0.10/ft
The purloins are used 1 inch schedule 40 used well pipe.
$0.10/ft
The center poles are used telephone poles with suspect ends
cut off planted 4 to 5 feet deep. free SEE NOTE 3.
Pole trench is dug with a backhoe. I own the backhoe so can
fighure $35/hr in going rate around here. SEE NOTE 2. SEE
NOTE 3.
All pipes are held together with two hole electrical conduit
steel brackets. regular prices
The ends are 2 by 8 pine. free from recycled old farm
buildings.
The Poly is regular 6 mil poly greenhouse film NOT OK to use
with PVC. It had to be coated with thick film latex roof
sealant/coating $50/5gal. SEE NOTE 1.
NOTE: If you order poly film make sure it is guaranteed OK
to be placed next to PVC or you'll end up with poly failure
or you'll have to coat the PVC.
The 2"PVC is placed over 1" sched 40 steel posts driven into
the ground 4 feet with an electric jack hammer. Rental price
around $30 half/day. SEE NOTE 3.
Marc
NOTE 2: The usage of ANY help, contractors or whatever has
significant liability that can easily go against homeowners
or even personal funds.
I strongly suggest that the contractor hired be licensed,
bonded, insured and carry workmans comp insurance EVEN
THOUGH THEY CAN OPT OUT OF THE PROGRAM!!
This is due to the fact that if something happens YOU will
be the next on the deep pockets list since it is your
property.
We take out insurance on ANY contractor that claims exempt
from the monies due him and inform him prior to start that
we will be doing it after the bid is in. If he objects we
lose him and go up the list till we find an adult.
I know I think the socialists a neurotic pain but the fact
is that they have won and the financial reality is clear and
many times demonstrated over and over. There is such thing
as bankruptcy and loss of a farm even though it's due to a
contractor doing something reckless or negligent. 80% of
personal injury suits are won.
NOTE 3: Prior to digging the underground utilities should
absolutely be considered. The ONLY way I am aware of to
mitigate liability if one gets hit is to call what is
commonly refferred to as a "one call" or "locates". It is
usually free. If yyou want to locate your own utilities then
there probably will be a fee.
If you hit a utility EVEN IN YOUR OWN YARD you can expect a
BIIIIG repair bill. You are probably liable even if you are
digging a hole for a rosebush. (Yep, I'm not kidding!!)
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