Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/15/01
Message 1: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: organic certification requirements
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: new member - Welcome
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Tilapia growth
from "Devon Williams"
Message 7: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
from Donald Bailey
Message 8: Re: organic certification requirements
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 9: Ginger, Professor, Gilligan, Skipper and Mary Ann
from "TGTX"
Message 10: heat loss
from Jim Joyner
Message 11: Re: heat loss
from "TGTX"
Message 12: Re: heat loss
from Jim Joyner
| Message 1
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:09:24 -0500
Hi Ted,
I was coming to your defense, but I lost my message somehow. I was kind of
telling Lance that if he is "thinking" about starting an 18,000 sq. ft.
system, maybe he should consult with the people who have had many trials and
failures. Not just be a lurker who comes in one time and blasts people.
And I am sure that if Paula needs some help in adjusting our attitudes, she
will let us know. As Bill says, "Lance, lighten up!" & stay away from my
Buddy, Ted.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "billevans"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: organic certification requirements
So if one were to proselytize a "far left" political view, you would stay
on the list?
DOnt take Ted so seriously,,, imho, he's just funnin', tho might have some
basis in fact.
-lighten up a little
billevans
who will sign off if the "far left" starts espousing their views,not
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" But recently
some, especially Ted have been using the list to proselytize their political
views.
.proselytize a far right political view. If so, I would
like to sign off,
."
| Message 2
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:11:52 -0500
What is "proselytize"?? Is this something you do with tomatoes or is it
asparagus??
Steve
.:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
To: ;
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: organic certification requirements
At 12:58 PM 5/12/2001 -0700, billevans wrote:
> So if one were to proselytize a "far left" political view, you would stay
>on the list?
> DOnt take Ted so seriously,,, imho, he's just funnin', tho might have some
>basis in fact.
> -lighten up a little
>billevans
I'm going to proselytize some neutral political views. This should keep
everyone happy. It'll have to be some other day though. When I can think
of some.
Emmett
| Message 3
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:12:50 -0500
DITTO,
Luv Ya!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
Hey Ted,
When you're on top, there's always somebody going to try to pull you
down. I say that as long as you keep giving out more good info than
anybody else on the list, I for one, am very happy to put up with your
sense of humor. Besides, now that I know you better, your posts are
sometimes funny even when you don't mean for them to be. Now to the
point, are you speaking organically, politically or did your tongue get
stuck in your cheek again. Please don't stop being Ted.
kris
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| Message 4
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:15:17 -0500
DITTO! Very, Very much so.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
I have a distinct feeling of family on this list.
Em
| Message 5
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:24:02 -0500
Adrianna Dear,
Because I'm a very nice guy. If you don't believe it, just ask me
;)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: new member - Welcome
Why do you ask Steve? This is just a group that has found out how to
put the "FUN" back into "DYSFUNCTIONAL" :>).
> "Socially Inept"???
| Message 6
Subject: Tilapia growth
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:26:47 -0400
Hi all.
I just wanted to comment on the phenomenal growth of my Tilapia. I have
raised tropical fish for many years, but I have never seen this type of
growth with typical ornamentals
.even Oscars! Since approximately March
30th, 2001, the majority of my fish have basically doubled in size, from an
average size of about 2.5", to between 4.5 and 5"! This really surprises
me, especially because I had such a high Ammonia and Nitrite reading for the
first two+ weeks they were in the system
.you've gotta love resilient
fish.
That's all, I just wanted to comment.
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 7
Subject: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
From: Donald Bailey
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:49:26 -0400
The UVI Aquaponics and Tilapia Aquaculture Short Course is only 6 weeks
away. This year the dates are June 24-30. The web page with course
description is at
http://rps.uvi.edu/AES/Aquaculture/UVIShortCourse.html. There is a link
to additional information from this page including travel to St. Croix.
There is also a new link to photos from last year's class which will
step you through the days as the course progresses.
Hope to see you in June.
--
Donald S. Bailey
University of the Virgin Islands
Agriculture Experiment Station
Aquaculture Program
340-692-4038 - phone
340-692-4035 - fax
Visit our site at http://rps.uvi.edu/
| Message 8
Subject: Re: organic certification requirements
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:18:39 -0400
At 12:11 AM 5/15/2001 -0500, STEVE SPRING wrote:
>What is "proselytize"?? Is this something you do with tomatoes or is it
>asparagus??
>
>Steve
.:)
>
I haven't tried asparagus yet, BUT, I'm growing edible ginger in my home
system.
Emmett
| Message 9
Subject: Ginger, Professor, Gilligan, Skipper and Mary Ann
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:03:56 -0500
> I haven't tried asparagus yet, BUT, I'm growing edible ginger in my home
> system.
Emmett
Mr. Emmett, I loooove ginger. I make a Tex-Mongolian BBQ sauce with ginger
that is out of this world
.make you so happy with joy, you just wanna
holler
.
And, ginger is definitely a "hydro-philic" plant.
What are the growth rates, even if anecodotal
and how does the root
formation/appearance turn out in your growth media?
Curious
been thinking about doing this myself for sometime.
Beat me to it, Old Chap.
Ted
| Message 10
Subject: heat loss
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:37:16 -0500
Hi all,
I'm building a masonry wood stove (kind of a cut down Russian) for my 20x20
greenhouse and I want to make sure it will provide enough back up heat.
Double glass, for my greenhouse, would require about 8k to 12k btus per
hour with an inside/outside temp differential of 45 degrees (f). Does
anyone know or have a feel for the relative heat loss from double plastic,
air inflated green house compared to a double glazing of glass?
I'm also interested to know your experience with plastic "air pillow" green
houses.
Thanks,
Jim
| Message 11
Subject: Re: heat loss
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:40:40 -0500
Howdy Jim!
Double wall polycarbonate is a great glazing, but be advised that it is
expensive. I would go for that, if you can afford it. Like a chewy, chewy,
Tootsie Roll, it lasts a long time.
If you can figure out a so-called "Hydronic" approach to heating your
system, that would be advisable over air heat alone
not that air heat is
not important to the plants
that is, use the heck out of the water
inside the greenhouse as the heat storage and exchange medium if you can
work it
. Use the big thermal flywheel of the fish culture water mass,
and also the pea gravel thermal mass (if you are using that option) to
store solar and/or fossil fuel, etc. heat sources. ("Thermal Flywheel" is
one of my favorite terms that Tom Spearaneo uses
way to be, Thermal
Tom!
)
Kricket at REMARC, inc
may have a few things to contribute to the whole
hydronics approach thing to a homestead 20X20 greenhouse heating system.
So, Jim, can you do some copper coil to copper coil heat exchangers from
your Ruskie fireplace
.to your fish tank, perhaps just below the fish
tank in a sand packed bed???See what I mean??? (I prefer the term
"Skandanavian" fireplace, since my wife, she is Svedish
Ya!
.She tells
me all the time
."Ya, Mi Yule Hott"
.which I think means
"Yes, my
Christmas Hat"
or she could just be messin' with me
)
Blessings
T.G.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: heat loss
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:22:28 -0500
T.G.
Double wall polycarbonate is a great glazing,
but be advised that it is
expensive. I would go for that, if you can afford it. Like a
chewy, chewy,
Tootsie Roll, it lasts a long time.
Well, when I compare it to other things like glass, or even Lexan, poly
looks cheaper to me. I can use a double glazed uv-protected top for about
8 years (this assumes I roll it up in the summer, get it out of the sun
-- I've got visiqueen I've used 12 years on some hoop cold frames where
they are in the sun maybe 5 months a year.) When I amortize it, poly
looks cheaper than anything else especially when construction costs are
added in. Tell me what you think might be cheaper . . .
If you can figure out a so-called
"Hydronic" approach to heating your
system, that would be advisable over air heat
alone
So, Jim, can you do some copper coil to copper
coil heat exchangers from
your Ruskie fireplace
.to your fish tank, perhaps just below the
fish
tank in a sand packed bed???See what I mean???
I'm a real neophyte here, but instead of copper tubing in the stove I've
thought of building a "saddle" around the hot end of the stove
-- like an 8" tank all around the stove to hold water. Then I would
pump the water, thermostatically controlled, through a heat exchanger in
the bottom of the fish tank. If the fish tank didn't need the heat, pump
shuts off and heat still escapes into the green house from the saddle.
Thermostats with failsafes could be complex, but not terribly
expensive.
Heat exchanger in tank might give me problems with water movement --
stuff I don't know much about yet. But, hmmmmm . . . your "sand
packed bed" sounds interesting. Have you ever done that? Like copper
tubing in the sand? Maybe put insulation under the sand bed?
Thanks for the ideas.
Jim
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