Aquaponics Digest - Mon 05/21/01
Message 1: Re: Marketing Tips?
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: Freshwater Shrimp
from Robert W Arnold
Message 3: Re: Marketing Tips
.Random Thoughts
from "TGTX"
Message 4: Re: Magazines and Publications
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 5: Re: Tilapia growth
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 6: Re: Tilapia growth
from "TGTX"
Message 7: Re: Tilapia growth
from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Message 8: Re: Freshwater Shrimp
from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Message 9: Re: Tilapia growth
.or ahhmm death. from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 10: Fish Hatchery
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 11: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Re: Fish Hatchery
from "TGTX"
Message 14: Re: Marketing Tips?
from "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Message 15: Re: Tilapia growth
from "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Message 16: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 17: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 18: Re: Tilapia growth
from "TGTX"
Message 19: Compost Happens
from "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Marketing Tips?
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:15:32 -0700
Carol
A lot of the University extension websites have great PDF files on
marketing of agro produce, U could start your search there.
Mike
JAMAICA.
cmccarth 'at' wvu.edu wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> Ted's story about the not so nice looking tank of fish at the restaurant
> reminded me that I had a question to ask the list.
> Recently several recommendations have been made for sources of good
> cultural information. The point has been stressed by other list members to
> know were you are going to sell a crop before you even plant/receive fry.
> My question does anyone have any good sources of information on marketing
> products or business start-up help that they would be willing to share?
>
> Thanks for any leads in advance.
> Carol.
| Message 2
Subject: Freshwater Shrimp
From: Robert W Arnold
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:18:42 -0500
Hi all,
This has probably been touched on before, but does anyone know of any
information on growing freshwater shrimp in anything other than a dug pond?
I would like to raise some but digging an acre pond is not feasible right
now. Thanks for any info you can give me.
Robert
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Marketing Tips
.Random Thoughts
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:23:20 -0500
> As an ultra right winger you are expected to suck it up and
> actually embrace the sight of a fish living in a polluted
> environment. You MUST sell capitalistic pollution and oil
> spills by a cheerful example with shining teeth smiling
> through the black paste of crude oil on your face as you
> slip and slide attempting to frolic on the beaches in
> Alaska. You may be disciplined by the Network if this
> happens again
Thanks for keeping me in line, Marc. Gee, I must have temporarily forgotten
that I was not just a freedom lover
someone concerned about trends in
the empowerment and liberty of the individual, but an extreme ultra right
winger
.an uber right winger
.a Far Right winger
a ferocious, smug, and
scary right winger. We all know which side of the spectrum, which "saintly"
camp, "owns" the environment, and possesses the sole and proper concerns for
same, just as with such values as compassion for humanity. How could I have
momentarily forgotten my true nature? Must have been all that art and
culture that I exposed myself to this weekend.
( They said it couldn't get any weirder, but it always does! ;-) )
(Oh, and one more thing, I noticed with great interest that when the Berlin
wall came down, those evil capitalists
.the unfettered kind, no doubt, if
there are such things anymore
.were the ones that had to go in and clean
up the industrial atrocities of the east
.they are still cleaning those
messes up. And where are 9 out of 10 of the 10 worst air-polluted cities in
the world located? Well, let's just say that it is a wonder the ethnic folk
dance troupes there can breathe during rehearsals)
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Magazines and Publications
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:53:20
Thanks for bringing up this thread again!
The most useful (and affordable) publication I've found is probably
Aquaculture Magazine (www.aquaculturemag.com). I believe annual
subscription is $24 with a bonus Buyer's Guide and Industry Directory (a $22
value itself) delivered at the end of each year. The Buyer's Guide and
Industry Directory is a complete list of products and services available to
you. Also included in this issue are aquaculture outlook reports,
international and national aquaculture associations, extension contacts,
diagnostic services, state coordinators, universities and institutions,
aquaculture centers, sea grant programs, federal fish hatcheries, and more.
This is probably the most valuable collection of aquaculture contact
information available in one source, and it is updated annually. Don't be
caught without this at your fingertips.
Knowledge is power,
Charlie
St. Croix, USVI
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:00:27 -0500 (CDT)
Steve do you still have the breeders from your basement? If so your
still in business because their young should be sterile and will go good
with the hap Alis .
And if there is any breeding the Electric Blues (Hap. Ali) will clean
them up fast. In the wild the are (fryofagous) fry hunters
I take it that the filter was a flop or was it?
I've be thinking that the fish tasted bad because of the high
nitrate levels in the meat brought on by over population do to
uncontrolled breeding in your system .
You probably had 100,000 fry spawned in your tanks! and even though
most were eaten they would cause a major growth slow down stunting was
to be expected.
Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:01:31 -0500
> Hi Paula, et. al.,
> Not to worry. You have heard the last of me complaining about the trials,
> tribulations, taste, etc. of Tilapia. THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!
Oh, man, Steve, I am sorry to hear that.
But, chin up old man. Sleep on it, take a few long walks, be thankful for
all the good things in life, and it will all turn out O.K. in the end.
After all is said and done, the good guys win in the end, and guess
what?
.well, I suspect you know the answer
I have a somewhat amazing tale to tell about the few Tilapia remaining in
the old greenhouse system we left behind when my partners and I "parted
ways". We harvested them out as best we could, but there were a few left
that escaped the nets.
The pumps were turned off forever, and the aerator turned off forever. No
more beautiful humming, gurgling, sloshing, and bubbling of water. It was
sad to leave that place. Heart rending, but a relief and a strange peace
settled in as the tires crunched on the gravel and the dust cloud on the
dirt road escorted us out to our new destination and the next chapter.
Anyway, no more feed went into these tanks, and at least one or two of the 6
tanks were drained down to about 6 inches of water depth. Very little heat
was applied to the interior of the greenhouses during the winter (only on
the very coldest nights, to keep ornamental potted plants alive), and during
the summer, the temperatures were allowed to go up to 120F and beyond. My
wife dropped by this place (that we worked hard to build, and that we busted
our tails and struggled to develop, against the odds) and she spent a few
moments chatting with the fellow who is leasing the greenhouse right now,
for his little native landscape plant operation. Did you know he was amazed
to report the live Tilapia that are in the tanks right now?
Not at any
normal culture density, mind you, but they have survived all that abuse, and
they have even spawned a time or two. How did they survive? There was
enough attached algae and later, a planktonic algae, that formed in these
4500 gallon tanks to keep the survivors going. Apparently he tosses in a
few handfuls of lettuce to them occassionally, from the "Voluteer" lettuce
that still germinates on the abandoned gravel beds that don't receive and
ebb and flow water
Add a few grasshoppers and other insects that crawl
in haphazardously, weeds grew up around the border of the tanks, and draped
over into the water, where the fish could chomp on them, and you have an
almost wild existence for these Tilapia.
Anyway, the resilience of these fish as a species or "species complex" is
really remarkable. Wish I was as resilient sometimes when misfortune
strikes in my life.
Again, I feel for your situation, Steve, but don't give up. All is not
lost, just try to strike out anew, what ever you decide to do from here on
out, with an optimistic, positve attitude and try as best you can to yield a
little to life's ups and downs
A branch that bends is less likely to
break, or somethin' like that.
Some cowboy campfire philosophy
for what it's worth.
Ted
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:23:13 EDT
I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT MANY OTHERS HAVE GROWN FISH PURCHASED
FROM MIKE SIPE , WITH GREAT SUCESS!!! I AM SURE FROM YOUR DISCRIPTIONS OF
YOUR SET-UP THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GROW FISH YOUR WAY. MORE POWER TO YOU,
I OFTEN TRY DOING THINGS MY WAY, SOMETIMES I KILL FISH. THE LIST SHOULD
REALIZE THAT MIKE SIPE DID NOT KILL THE FISH. YOU DID! TILAPIA ARE THE
FASTEST GROWING, AND HARDIEST FISH TO RAISE THAT I KNOW OF. AFTER WORKING AT
THE VA. STATE FAIR FOR THREE YEARS, DISCUSSING TILIPIA WITH THE PUBLI C I
ONLY HAD ONE PERSON SAY THEY DID NOT LIKE TILIPIA, THE REST RAVED ABOUT HOW
GOOD THE WERE. SO I WOULD LIKE THE LIST READERS TO FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
AS FOR YOURS I THINK YOU SHOULD START AGAIN AND FIND HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO
RAISE GREAT TASTING TILIPIA IN A VERY SHORT TIME.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS OFF LIST.
RALPH
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Freshwater Shrimp
From: RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:32:08 EDT
ROBERT,
THREE YEARS AGO I RAISED FRESH WATER SHRIMP IN A 4000 GAL TANK OUTSIDE. I
COULD NEVER SIT AND DISCUSS THIS ON LINE BECAUSE OF MY TYPING ABILITIES.
HOWEVER IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED WANTS TO CALL I WILL BE HAPPY TO
DISCUSS IT IN GREAT LENGTH.
MY NUMBER IS 804-932-4377
RALPH
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
.or ahhmm death.From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:08:16 -0700
Id feel the same way if folks ran my machinery wrong and then ask me why
it didnt work. Someone last weekend wondered why the water in a
biofilter showed coliform bacteria counts
not realising they switched
the Ultraviolet lights off, simply because they were doing a service of
another machine nearby, despite me telling them that a biofilter is a
living thing, and despite me telling them to provide a seperate power
supply for the lights!!
How will the biofilter work, if they keep killing my bacteria
.do you
all remember them calling me after pouring chlorine in the system??
Grr
Chin up
blessings sometimes come wrapped in funny packets.
Mike
RalphMcl 'at' aol.com wrote:
>
> I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT MANY OTHERS HAVE GROWN FISH PURCHASED
> FROM MIKE SIPE , WITH GREAT SUCESS!!! I AM SURE FROM YOUR DISCRIPTIONS OF
> YOUR SET-UP THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GROW FISH YOUR WAY. MORE POWER TO YOU,
> I OFTEN TRY DOING THINGS MY WAY, SOMETIMES I KILL FISH.
| Message 10
Subject: Fish Hatchery
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:16:11 -0700
I dont know why I havent thought of this
.but Ted your post inspired me
to think that there are other great folks like Chris in Canada and
Charlie in the Virgin Isles that actually breed the fish for their
operations.
Does anyone have drawings designs and layouts that they are willing to
share I am going to take the plunge this week and have an idea for
setting up a mini round polytank based hatchery, but do you have any
ideas or do's/don'ts that you can share?
I am thinking of doing a combination of a see thru aquarium style
broodtank, as well as black poly tanks for the breeding "ponds". Can
anyone provide more details??
The most daunting area to me is not necessarily the physical design but
the "harvesting" of the fry
. for best efficiency
and Im thinking
seeeeriously of how to plumb so as not to get a big mixup of poop and
fry or eggs.
Any ideas??
Regards
Mike,
JAMAICA
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:18:38 -0500
Hi Marc,
I don't have a clue as to what these fish are.
Thanks
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. 600 fish is a lot to lose.
You mentioned in earlier posts you were considering catfish
or perch. This could be an opportunity in spite of the
tragedy.
Have you considered raising Clarias batrachus or Anabas
testudineus? I'm not sure if they are legal but it wouldn't
hurt to look into them as they seem to have some
compatibility to your husbandry preferences.
Marc
STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> Hi Paula, et. al.,
>
THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!
>
.nothing but fish in the tank
.no water
.just fish. I finished
> killing them by adding well water (all that I had available) 'at' 53F temp.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:35:46 -0500
Hi Bruce,
Talked to Sherry today. Hope you can make the Milwaukee Aquarium Society
meeting this Friday. I would love to go and am planning on it. The wife
can't make it, but maybe you and I can. Interested??
I still have the breeders, but am in no way interested in working with
Tilapia anymore. You can have them if you wish.
No, the filter was fine. It was working very well. That was the problem. I
decided to leave it running all night. That was my screw-up. But, maybe it
was a blessing though because I truly didn't know what I was going to do
with those fish. I think that the fish taste bad because of the many, many
traumas that they have gone through
.not to mention overpopulation and poor
water quality. Now that I only have 50-100 fish in the tank, the water
quality is great.
Reference most fry were eaten: One of the larger Tilapias that I got out of
the tank had a fairly large 1 1/2" fingerling in his/her mouth
.even in
death.
Still thinking very seriously about your idea of raising Angelfish in the
2,000 gal system.
Get back to me before Friday if you can.
Also, you wouldn't believe the difference in growth with the tomatos in the
earthboxes vs. standard methods. They are over twice as large and flowering
already. I'm amazed!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
Steve do you still have the breeders from your basement? If so your
still in business because their young should be sterile and will go good
with the hap Alis .
And if there is any breeding the Electric Blues (Hap. Ali) will clean
them up fast. In the wild the are (fryofagous) fry hunters
I take it that the filter was a flop or was it?
I've be thinking that the fish tasted bad because of the high
nitrate levels in the meat brought on by over population do to
uncontrolled breeding in your system .
You probably had 100,000 fry spawned in your tanks! and even though
most were eaten they would cause a major growth slow down stunting was
to be expected.
Bruce
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Fish Hatchery
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:48:27 -0500
> The most daunting area to me is not necessarily the physical design but
> the "harvesting" of the fry
. for best efficiency
and Im thinking
> seeeeriously of how to plumb so as not to get a big mixup of poop and
> fry or eggs.> Any ideas??
> Regards
> Mike,
> JAMAICA
Hey, Mike
Que Pasta? How's life in sunny Jamaica?
Anyway, have you thought of using old bathtubs or refrigerator liners as
brood stock tanks, or should I say spawning tanks
.?
You know, maybe
100-200 gallons in semi-rectangular or semi-cylindrical tanks that sit
stably on the floor, and you can easily walk around such a tank size and
harvest the fry if the brood fish expels them, or you can more readily net
the broodfish up and isolate it into a 30-50 gallon Rubbermaid tub,
.etc
for staging just before getting the eggs out of its' mouth, or whatever, if
you wait it out? There are a number of approaches
I am pursuing a 250 gallon ferrocement tank design that would work well as a
Tilapia breeding tank for 3 females and 1 male, or even a bit more.
Did you ever get that 5 gallon Tilapia egg hatching thing I sent out? It is
really simple. Just an aquarium net set flat on top of a 5 gallon bucket
with the net hanging down into the water, and the water flows gently into
the mouth of the net. The eggs sit at the bottom of the aquarium net and
gently tumble around, so they are
.what, 6 or 8 inches below the surface of
the water in the bucket, and there is an exit hole or pipe in the side of
the bucket at the appropriate control height, or depth, on the bucket, see?
It's kinda like a cheap-o McDonald Jar
.not quite the same principle, but
kinda.Are you familiar with those? Where the eggs tumble down at the bottom of
the McD jar from a slow, steady stream of clean, highly oxygenated water,
then the fry, as they hatch out, are able to swim up a tube where they are
collected via a collection stream that dumps them into a circular tank
.?
It is kinda involved, and that's probably more elaborate than what you are
looking for, but it is food for thought.
Ted
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Marketing Tips?
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:51:21 -0500
Carol,
I would recommend Sandie Shores "Growing and Seeling Fresh Cut Herbs"
as a good primer on a large variety of subjects. You can get it from
Amazon, through sandie's web site or have a local bookstore order it
for you.
Adriana
> My question does anyone have any good sources of information on
marketing
> products or business start-up help that they would be willing to
share?
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:52:55 -0500
Sooooo sorry Steve, you gave it a great college try. Maybe it just
was not meant to be.
Adriana
> I'm kind of bummed. Going to go. Best to All.
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:05:10 -0500
Hi Ted,
As usual, I appreciate your input and philosophy.
"Down but not Out" and that was only a temporary situation.
I never told this story on the list before, because it has nothing
whatsoever to do with aquaponics, but since we are temporarily
philosophizing (sp), what the heck, why not?
You are talking to a guy who went into the oilfield with "literally"
everything he owned in a paper bag
.except for my car which was bought from
a "note-tote" lot in Houston. I'll never forget that first morning when we
got onto the crewboat and were heading out for the rig. A guy asked me if I
was a "roughneck or a roustabout". I told him that I didn't know the
difference between the two. He then told me that I must be a roustabout. I
hit that rig knowing absolutely nothing about the oilfield except that I was
going to make a success out of it somehow. Well, I went from that day to
being one of the highest paid people in the oilfield
.a "consultant
directional driller". I, then, went from a $100,000+/yr business (back in
'85) to TOTAL BUST BANKRUPTCY! I watched them repossess my new '85 Lincoln
Mark VII and the next day got into a '65 Chevy El Camino from a "note-tote"
lot in Houston. Isn't that what you call "full circle"?
I won't go into a lot of detail, but this is just to say that you can't kill
Superman. He's bullet-proof.
I never stay down and I don't want anyone to think that the loss of a few
hundred fish will dampen my spirit for more than a moment or two. I still
have many thousands of $ invested in this business and would never turn my
back on it. I still have faith in it. There is certainly more than one way
to skin a cat. My greenhouse is doing good
.my tomatos are doing good
.and
maybe
.actually probably
.I will start an aquaponics venture using
Tropical fish. (HEY, THEY ARE A LOT PRETTIER THAN TILAPIA. AND MAYBE THEY
AREN'T AS NASTY.)
I'm just fine, still kicking and still as "socially insensitive" as ever.
Besides, I couldn't leave you, Paula and all of my wonderful, WONDERFUL
family that I have found on this list.
Later
.LOL
.Steve :) :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
> Hi Paula, et. al.,
> Not to worry. You have heard the last of me complaining about the trials,
> tribulations, taste, etc. of Tilapia. THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!
Oh, man, Steve, I am sorry to hear that.
But, chin up old man. Sleep on it, take a few long walks, be thankful for
all the good things in life, and it will all turn out O.K. in the end.
After all is said and done, the good guys win in the end, and guess
what?
.well, I suspect you know the answer
I have a somewhat amazing tale to tell about the few Tilapia remaining in
the old greenhouse system we left behind when my partners and I "parted
ways". We harvested them out as best we could, but there were a few left
that escaped the nets.
The pumps were turned off forever, and the aerator turned off forever. No
more beautiful humming, gurgling, sloshing, and bubbling of water. It was
sad to leave that place. Heart rending, but a relief and a strange peace
settled in as the tires crunched on the gravel and the dust cloud on the
dirt road escorted us out to our new destination and the next chapter.
Anyway, no more feed went into these tanks, and at least one or two of the 6
tanks were drained down to about 6 inches of water depth. Very little heat
was applied to the interior of the greenhouses during the winter (only on
the very coldest nights, to keep ornamental potted plants alive), and during
the summer, the temperatures were allowed to go up to 120F and beyond. My
wife dropped by this place (that we worked hard to build, and that we busted
our tails and struggled to develop, against the odds) and she spent a few
moments chatting with the fellow who is leasing the greenhouse right now,
for his little native landscape plant operation. Did you know he was amazed
to report the live Tilapia that are in the tanks right now?
Not at any
normal culture density, mind you, but they have survived all that abuse, and
they have even spawned a time or two. How did they survive? There was
enough attached algae and later, a planktonic algae, that formed in these
4500 gallon tanks to keep the survivors going. Apparently he tosses in a
few handfuls of lettuce to them occassionally, from the "Voluteer" lettuce
that still germinates on the abandoned gravel beds that don't receive and
ebb and flow water
Add a few grasshoppers and other insects that crawl
in haphazardously, weeds grew up around the border of the tanks, and draped
over into the water, where the fish could chomp on them, and you have an
almost wild existence for these Tilapia.
Anyway, the resilience of these fish as a species or "species complex" is
really remarkable. Wish I was as resilient sometimes when misfortune
strikes in my life.
Again, I feel for your situation, Steve, but don't give up. All is not
lost, just try to strike out anew, what ever you decide to do from here on
out, with an optimistic, positve attitude and try as best you can to yield a
little to life's ups and downs
A branch that bends is less likely to
break, or somethin' like that.
Some cowboy campfire philosophy
for what it's worth.
Ted
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:07:58 -0500
Hi Ralph,
We all have out opinions don't we? "'nuff said."
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT MANY OTHERS HAVE GROWN FISH PURCHASED
FROM MIKE SIPE , WITH GREAT SUCESS!!! I AM SURE FROM YOUR DISCRIPTIONS OF
YOUR SET-UP THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GROW FISH YOUR WAY. MORE POWER TO YOU,
I OFTEN TRY DOING THINGS MY WAY, SOMETIMES I KILL FISH. THE LIST SHOULD
REALIZE THAT MIKE SIPE DID NOT KILL THE FISH. YOU DID! TILAPIA ARE THE
FASTEST GROWING, AND HARDIEST FISH TO RAISE THAT I KNOW OF. AFTER WORKING AT
THE VA. STATE FAIR FOR THREE YEARS, DISCUSSING TILIPIA WITH THE PUBLI C I
ONLY HAD ONE PERSON SAY THEY DID NOT LIKE TILIPIA, THE REST RAVED ABOUT HOW
GOOD THE WERE. SO I WOULD LIKE THE LIST READERS TO FORM THEIR OWN OPINIONS.
AS FOR YOURS I THINK YOU SHOULD START AGAIN AND FIND HOW SIMPLE IT IS TO
RAISE GREAT TASTING TILIPIA IN A VERY SHORT TIME.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS OFF LIST.
RALPH
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:24:34 -0500
> > I'm kind of bummed. Going to go. Best to All.
Hey, Steve, I'll tell you what
man, as the bumpersticker says
"Ca-Ca
Occurs"
and Sometimes the Compost Hits the Fan
.
Just last night, I hardly slept
because of the Mondo storm we had.
The lightning strikes were giving me bad flashbacks,
man
.incoming!!
.incoming!!
.hit the deck!!
The hail was driving into my windows
horizontally
at about 70 mph.
Water was coming in under the threshold of the doors and through the windows
on one side of the house
and I have a fairly secure little brick
house
on a hillside in the middle of the prairie
.no rivers can breach
this far up hill
but
.Oy Veh!!
When I got up this mornin', I found that the 36 tomato plants in my beauty
little garden on the south side of the house were totally hammered
Some
of the chickens were out of their normally snug, cozy, chicken tractor,
complaining severly to me about their ordeal last night, and looking all the
world like drowned wharf rats
and
My 12 foot diameter, 4 foot deep, conical bottom fiberglas fish tank shell
that was waiting patiently for me to assemble and begin some serious fun and
games with
half of it was lifted up, and
get this
.torn in half
we
are talking 300 lbs of serious mass getting chewed up and spit out and
thrown 30 yards from where it rested
I mean, serious fiberglas shell
gettin' shorn asunder like wet cardboard, man.
I was bummed
.but you know what? I am so glad and grateful that I am
alive
and the weird thing is, that not one petal of the roses on our rose
bush were shaken off on the west side of the house, and the cats
with 3
new baby kittens were there waiting for me on the front porch this morning
like this was all business as usual
"where's our treat?"
My attached greenhouse made it all through this
.totally unscathed
.
And
we are all O.K
just really tired right now.
So, stuff happens, and we just have to try to make the best of it if we can.
Blessings,
Ted (Lightnin') Ground
(Happy to be alive today.)
| Message 19
Subject: Compost Happens
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:18:09 -0500
Yeah, "Compost Happens
." it's the saying on a hat I got for Mother's
Day. They also make a T-shirt.
Steve, just think. You're well on your wat to Dr. R's Patinum Status.
For those of you who are novices to the board, you achieve Platinum
Status when you've killed a million fish.
> Hey, Steve, I'll tell you what
man, as the bumpersticker
says
"Ca-Ca
> Occurs"
and Sometimes the Compost Hits the Fan
.
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