Aquaponics Digest - Wed 05/23/01
Message 1: Re: "Giving Up!"
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 2: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/22/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 3: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/22/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 4: Re: "Giving Up!"
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 5: Re: "Giving Up!"
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 6: Re: "Giving Up!"
from "Michael Kline"
Message 7: Re: "Giving Up!"
from pablo obiaga
Message 8: Re: Working with Fiberglass
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 9: Scams, hoaxes, etc.
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 10: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
from Bill Patrick
Message 11: Reply to - Re: Working with Fiberglass
from "David Atkinson"
Message 12: Re: Intro/Background and a question
from "Ada Erickson"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:04:28 -0500
At 10:09 PM 05/22/2001 -0500, Steve wrote:
>
>I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be
>grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was
>trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS
>filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously
>inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike
>Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish.
>The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and
>produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring.
>
>I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had
>too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and
>then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems.
Steve - I know I probably shouldn't have to ask this question, as you've
probably stated before what your configuration is and I should have it in my
files. (Between my mother's illness and working with my son's choral group
that leaves for China next week, I've been distracted.)
Did you set up your grow beds as a filtration system for your breeders'
tank? Is your 800 gallon tank (below) circular, and what type of pump and
placement are you using? It seems that if you have that type of
reproduction rate that the tank/pump configuration lends itself to dormant
areas, which would contribute to your reproduction rate and water quality
problems.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/22/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:08:31 EDT
In a message dated 5/22/01 11:08:24 PM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< I stand corrected in Arizona I used to hang my Catts. from Mesquet trees
in the summer but in the winter when the sun was low in the sky they got
more direct light and seemed to do fine .
Bruce >>
*****************************************************************
Bruce,
It is often usefull to see where the plants grow in nature that we wish to
grow . Next time you are in the American tropics between, say, Mexico City to
the North and , say, Rio de Janerio to the Sourh, walk out in the woods (
jungle) and see where you find the Cattleyas growing in the wild. I have
always found them growing half way up a tree, half way up a mountain. I have
never seen them at elevations above about 2200 meters or below about 500
meters. I have never seen them growing in the tree tops because the light is
too intense for them, nor on the jungle floor because the light is inadequate
there.
It appears you were giving your plants partial shade in the Arizona summer.
Same things works here in Alabama.
Kindest regards,
Dave
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Tue 05/22/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:39:42 EDT
In a message dated 5/22/01 11:08:24 PM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< That's exactly what I suspected. The aquaponic system delivers good gas
exchange but it never drys out
.Emmett
>>
****************************************************************
Emmett,
Apparently, I did not make myself clear yesterday. Let me try again, please.
For best results, one should, I think, either design your growing system to
meet the requirements of the plant(s) you wish to grow, or, conversely,
select plants with growth requirements matching your existing system.
Since there are more species of orchids than any other family of plants on
earth one stands a better chance of success with orchids than any other
plants---- assuming, of course, you pick the right orchid.
While Cattleyas require drying out between waterings when grown in
conventional media they do well in hydroponic systems which inject air in the
water.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 4
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 19:54:56 -0000
Steve-
Thanks for sharing/clarifying. I am a new person on the list, and my mom
and I are so inspired by S&S's story, we are venturing soon. Your story has
helped me immensely in my gathering of tilapia fact/wisdom.
Thanks,
Ada
P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love
to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already
available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for
future "newbies".
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
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>Hi Bruce,
>
>Didn't want to burden Paula's list anymore with this, but I wanted to clear
>up a couple of things. "Giving up" is not in my vocabulary. I have no
>desire
>to give up. I just want to change directions
>
>My relationship with Tilapia has been very labor intensive, very costly and
>non-rewarding. I have no desire to give up on my aquaponics venture, I just
>want to go into something different. Hey, I love these little
>"lemon-yellows". My wife loves her little "fat fish". I just loved my
>initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were
>Mike
>Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw
>me.
>Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand. BUT, THEY ARE DEAD!
>(Makes
>me sad to think about them.)
>
>I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be
>grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was
>trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS
>filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously
>inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike
>Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish.
>The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and
>produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring.
>
>I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had
>too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and
>then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems.
>
>After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800
>gal
>tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical"
>dime at the bottom of the tank.
>
>I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of
>exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
>probably is."?
>
>I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have
>been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week
.do
>you just kill them?
>
>Just food for thought.
>
>Steve
>
>
| Message 5
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:52:50 -0400
At 07:54 PM 5/23/2001 -0000, Ada Erickson wrote:
>Steve-
>
>Thanks for sharing/clarifying. I am a new person on the list, and my mom
>and I are so inspired by S&S's story, we are venturing soon.
It's best to let the list to know where you are geographically.
Washington, Wisconsin, and Maine are a lot different than Florida and
Texas.
Emmett
| Message 6
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: "Michael Kline"
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:43:09 -0500
Please remove my name from this mailing list.
>>> pegnem 'at' mindspring.com 5/23/01 04:52:50 PM >>>
At 07:54 PM 5/23/2001 -0000, Ada Erickson wrote:
>Steve-
>
>Thanks for sharing/clarifying. I am a new person on the list, and my =
mom=20
>and I are so inspired by S&S's story, we are venturing soon. =20
It's best to let the list to know where you are geographically.
Washington, Wisconsin, and Maine are a lot different than Florida and
Texas.
Emmett
| Message 7
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:16:49 -0300
At 22:09 22/05/01 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Steve:
I'm so sorry for your loss. It's rather hard when you have developed a
relationship whith what you are doing
"I just loved my
initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were Mike
Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw me.
Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand."
There are lots of useful data on the list "technical numbers", but what i
just quoted from you is what turns to be "part of the real thing" every
day, even when at first you don't now what it might become: "the other
part", or not.
As a "newbie" I asure you I will not forget you experience.
Thank you for posting feellings and experiences of the other part:"The Dark
Side of Acuaponics"
I'll stick to your advice,
As I heard my Italian say (not wright), "Chi va piano
va lontano"
(Who goes slow
. goes far)
=A1Arriba!
Pablo
>After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800=
gal
>tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical"
>dime at the bottom of the tank.
>
>I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of
>exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
>probably is."?
>
>I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have
>been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week
.do
>you just kill them?
>
>Just food for thought.
>
>Steve
>
>
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Working with Fiberglass
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:04:17 -0600
A great place to get info is on boat building sites and also
boat building stuff at the library.
Marc
David Atkinson wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone on this list have any information about working with Fiberglass?
>
> I want to build some tanks using Fiberglass, but need information about how
> to work with Fiberglass for a do-it-yourselfer.
>
> i.e. using
| Message 9
Subject: Scams, hoaxes, etc.
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:18:58 -0600
An interesting and informative site to browse.
http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/
| Message 10
Subject: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:45:52 -0400
Ada,
I'm Bill Patrick and I've been a list member for about a year (6/11/00
will mark the anniversary). I've been interested in aquaculture for as
long as I can remember, but have yet to grow any fish and have my first
inadvertent fish kill. I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The
Cape" as an engineer on Boeing's new Delta IV rocket. My only step
towards my aquaculture project is the purchase of the tank (as
documented 'at' http://patrick.zb.net/aqua ). My next step is the
construction of the greenhouse, but work and school has been interfering
with what is really important, growing fish and plants. But because I'm
really cheap and I spent the big bucks on the tank (thanks Tedus
Aquaponius!) I will make it happen (one day ;-) ). I too have been
curious about our other list members also and over the past year have
been able to learn/figure out a little bit about our regular posters,
but it would be nice to something a little more organized such as what
you have asked for and links to home pages if they exist, so I decided
to reply. Hope I didn't bore anybody, but if I did, too bad, you could
have deleted based on the changed subject title. Guess I'm just a
little "Socially Insensitive" too.
Bill
If god had meant us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out
of
meat.
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ada
>
> P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love
> to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already
> available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for
> future "newbies".
>
| Message 11
Subject: Reply to - Re: Working with Fiberglass
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:18:20 -0400
Thanks Marc.
David A
atkindw 'at' cybervale.com
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Working with Fiberglass
> A great place to get info is on boat building sites and also
> boat building stuff at the library.
>
> Marc
>
> David Atkinson wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone on this list have any information about working with
Fiberglass?
> >
> >snip
. snip
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 01:54:51 -0000
Thanks Bill.
The Intro page is live:
www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/
Feel free to send me your own info from there if you don't want to post
directly to the list. Suggestions always welcome.
If you are curious, the main domain is still under construction.
Here is my tilapia question:
What barriers/obstacles have you encountered when taking your produce or
tilapias to market? What advice can you offer to help a "newbie" overcome
those obstacles
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