Aquaponics Digest - Fri 05/25/01
Message 1: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 2: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 3: Re: Intro/Background and a question
from "Devon Williams"
Message 4: RE: Intro/Background and a question
from "Carol"
Message 5: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 6: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 7: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 8: Re: Intro/Background and a question
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 9: Mike/All
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 10: Re: "Giving Up!"
from Jim
Message 11: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 12: Re: Mike/All
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: Aquaponic Group Bookmark list Version 1
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
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From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:43:34 EDT
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Wylie, you can read about my last instalation in Suriname in the March April
Growing Edge magazine and the last two issues of the Aquaponic Journal, this
was a 30,000 sq ft system in an old warehouse. Gordon Creaser
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Wylie, you can read about my last instalation
in Suriname in the March April
Growing Edge magazine and the last two issues of the Aquaponic Journal, this
was a 30,000 sq ft system in an old warehouse. Gordon Creaser
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| Message 2
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
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From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:49:39 EDT
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Jim, as I travel just about all the time from one country to another I find
very little time to spend much time on the list,Adriana keeps me informed if
any comes up . Gordon Creaser
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Jim, as I travel just about all the time from
one country to another I find
very little time to spend much time on the list,Adriana keeps me informed if
any comes up . Gordon Creaser
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:34:55 -0400
Um, well, since Bill so slyly coaxed me out of the woodwork, I guess I'll
bite
.(being a teacher, the end of the school year is a pretty crazy time,
so I have done very little in the way of emailing
.)
My name is Devon Williams, I am a Technology Education teacher at McConnell
Middle School in Loganville, GA (Loganville is a speck on the map just east
of downtown Atlanta). I became interested in aquaponics while researching
hydroponics when I felt my class did not incorporate enough material on
bio-related technology. I found the S&S website, and quickly purchased the
information packet for starting a system
.this was in 1996. Five years and
six grant applications later, I was fortunate to be one of the first
teachers to earn a grant from a local foundation set up to support the
area's schools directly.
As Steve Spring has had a laugh about in the past, I received a whopping
$1000.00 from the Grayson foundation. I also got a $300 donation from a
local environmental management company, and my gravel for my grow bed was
donated by one of my school's business partners - a local granite quarry.
Soooooooo, I had $1300.00 plus some materials, and I was ready!!!
I finally got set up at the end of March, 2001 and ordered my fish from John
Harbuck in Floralla, AL
.Lucky for me that John is a very nice guy, because
he is willing to sell his fish to other educators just for the price of
shipping!!! This worked out well since the lowest quote I got from
hatcheries was $310 for about 60 fish, and $500 for about 3000 fish!!!!
Funny how that works
.so, John sent me 160 hybrid, mixed-sex tilapia. When
I first put them into my system, I hadn't realized how incredibly strong my
fish tank sump pump was, and it promptly sucked a huge number of the poor
little guys up against the intake grate killing many instantly, and
weakening a great many more. Then, if that weren't enough
.those fish that
were weakened by the pump trauma got blasted by the soaring ammonia and
nitrite levels while the gravel bed adjusted itself
.Total lost was about
65 fish
.so, I have just under one hundred in the tank now doing just fine!
To give a little background, Technology Education (formerly Industrial Arts)
is set up in a modular form so that students spend ten days at a time
learning about an area of technology such as robotics, audio broadcasting,
CAD, electricity, aerospace,
.The curriculum mentioned below made the
aquaponics lab a new module in my room, so it functions the same way as the
rest of the class.
During the time it took to set the system up, I began writing the curriculum
for the module. As I wrote the curriculum, I made a pretty big decision. I
am currently working on my doctoral degree in Occupational Studies /
Technology Education. To this point I had not decided on a topic for my
dissertation, but I had considered Appropriate Technology from some vantage
point
.So, to make a long story even longer (you asked for it, Bill)I am
now looking at the theory of situated cognition as it relates to teaching
appropriate technology (aquaponics) in a modular setting
.In other words,
using this modular approach to find out how kids learn best (in what
situation). Before a lot of questions come at me, please understand that I
am not even scratching the surface of the theoretical framework yet, so I
may not be able to answer them
.Although I've been told I can "BS" with the
best of them! ;-)
So, that's me! I do have a website (explaining my class, as well as the
system). You can find it at
http://www.mindspring.com/~mcconnellms/staff/dwilliams When you get to the
main page click on the "More" button, then click on the "Projects" button to
see the front page of the aquaponics information. Be sure to click on the
blinking "Here" near the bottom of that page. I am going to update the page
today, but it won't take effect until it gets uploaded tonight around
midnight.
Thanks for listening.
Devon Williams
>From: Bill Patrick
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:08:20 -0400
>
>Nice webpage Ada, thanks for taking the time to get it started. Now
>come on everybody don't be "stick in the muds". Go ahead and have a
>little bio posted and link to your web page if you have one (I don't to
>pick on anyone but their initials are Devon). Over the past year guys
>really haven't been shy about where you live, what you do for regular
>jobs or what your interests in aquaponics are. Also any suppliers on
>the list that support us, this would make a nice place to have links to
>your pages or other methods of contact available to us.
>
>Ada Erickson wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bill.
> >
> > The Intro page is live:
> >
> > www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/
> >
> > Feel free to send me your own info from there if you don't want to post
> > directly to the list. Suggestions always welcome.
> >
> > If you are curious, the main domain is still under construction.
> >
> > Here is my tilapia question:
> >
> > What barriers/obstacles have you encountered when taking your produce or
> > tilapias to market? What advice can you offer to help a "newbie"
>overcome
> > those obstacles
> >
>
>Ada I have yet to grow any fish, but I do have two data points in my
>extensive market research so far. I was at a restaurant that served
>tilapia and I asked the owner if she would buy any fish from me if I
>grew them. She said "No!". She buys all her restaurant supplies from a
>single distributor. Oh well. I also have a lady that comes and fishes
>in my pond and catches nice big cat fish out of it. I told her about my
>idea also and she said I could $8.00 - $9.00 a pound for bream but only
>a couple of pounds for tilapia. I'm going to go ahead and try tilapia
>first, just based on STEVE SPRING'S recommendations, they seem easy to
>grow ;-)
>
>Bill
| Message 4
Subject: RE: Intro/Background and a question
From: "Carol"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:25:24 -0400
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Devon Williams
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:35 AM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
>
>
> So, that's me! I do have a website (explaining my class, as
> well as the
> system). You can find it at
> http://www.mindspring.com/~mcconnellms/staff/dwilliams When
> you get to the
> main page click on the "More" button, then click on the
> "Projects" button to
> see the front page of the aquaponics information. Be sure to
> click on the
> blinking "Here" near the bottom of that page. I am going to
> update the page
> today, but it won't take effect until it gets uploaded tonight around
> midnight.>
WOW!!!
I'm absolutely amazed. Your system would fit on my back porch.
This really works - with ONE bed?
-carol, brand new and thinking about getting wet feet.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:00:38 EDT
Mike,
Please keep me and the rest of the group informed about how well Sonic Bloom
really works. If it does half what they claim, it would be cheap at twice the
price.
My experience has almost always been that if something sounds too good to be
true, it usually is.
Thank you for responding to my enquiry.
Kindest regards,
Dave
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In a message dated 5/24/01 11:08:28 PM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< Subject: Sonic Bloom
From: Michael Olson
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT)
I first heard about SB a couple summers ago. There
was an article in the Minneapolis newspaper that
intrigued me. I let it drop until.
.Adrianna sent the link a few weeks ago about
electrical/magnetic fields which induce plant
prosperity. In the article, they mentioned plants
reaction to sound -- and mentioned Sonic Bloom by
name. I decided to look for a website -- and I found
it at http://www.sonicbloom.com
After refamiliarizing myself with the technology and
their claims (which you can do on the website), I
purchased the medium system to use in a greenhouse for
my daylilies. I have been using it for a couple weeks
now -- not long enough to evaluate (the info says it
will take 5-7 weeks to see appreciable results.
I am hopeful, but I have many hurdles (that may affect
the ability to evaluate SB) to overcome to get my
plants back to health. I will attempt to report the
results when I have given it a chance to effect
change.
-Mike
>>
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
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From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:28:02 -0000
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Jim-
Related article in this month's Growing Edge.
Ada
>From: Jim Joyner
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To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
From: Jim Joyner
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
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At 04:37 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
Most of the systems I
have installed around the world have been floating ,you
can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser
Say Gordon, any chance you might commit some your knowledge to this list.
Seems a lot more efficient and a lot less expensive than all of us
calling you.
Thanks,
Jim
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:59:23 -0600
This Sonic Bloom thread comes up now and then. I've never
read any mainstream support for this thing. The thing seems
to have the usual super growing formula:
1: a zippity doo da claim.
2. VERY expensive fertilizer.
3. A well disciplined growing regimine to follow.
Success could not possibly be due to good discipline and
fertilizer alone, eh?
I'm
Marc
DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Please keep me and the rest of the group informed about how well Sonic Bloom
> really works. If it does half what they claim, it would be cheap at twice the
> price.
> My experience has almost always been that if something sounds too good to be
> true, it usually is.
.
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:24:58 -0700
Devon
Im interested in a copy of your syllabus if this is possible please.Im thinking of how I can integrate kids visits into the hatchery idea Im
working on as a prototype module.
Thanks.Mike
JAMAICA
Devon Williams wrote:
Before a lot of questions come at me, please understand that I
> am not even scratching the surface of the theoretical framework yet, so I may not be able to
answer them
.Although I've been told I can "BS" with the
> best of them! ;-)
| Message 9
Subject: Mike/All
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 21:01:08 -0000
Mike;
There is a related article (classroom hydroponics/aquaponics) in this
month's issue of Grower's Edge.
All;
www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/
is UPDATED and there is also a new page of Useful links as referenced by
list members. (I was doing it for myself and decided, why not be helpful
and post it? So, I did.)
Also, I was thinking last night, sustainable aquaculture could seriously
solve world hunger. Is that a nice thought or what?
All the best to you and yours;
Ada
Who was 1 hour late to work today, and had to take a cab, because she
couldn't find her car keys.
| Message 10
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: Jim
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:07:30 -0500
Hi Steve,
You're right, no wonder you had trouble with your fish
1600 gallons of
tank volume at .5 lb of fish per gallon requires over 200 cubic feet of
gravel.
You have to keep in mind that the .5 pound/gallon formula for aquaponics
has a 3rd part. Look at it in cu.ft
(3.75 lb fish) : (1 cu.ft. water) : (1 cu.ft. growbed)
Sounds like you only have enough growbed/filter to support about 130 lb
of fish (<.1 #/gal in 2-800 gal tanks) assuming you have 8" deep
growbeds.
You'll need at least 4 times as much growbed to get anywhere close to
.5#/gal. using full tanks.
Channel cats or hybrid bream(1) would've died off long before the
tilapia did in your set-up.
Jim
(1) I raise hybrid bream and channel cats
STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> Hi Paula,
>
>
>
> I just truly believe that I had too many fish in the system and that they
> were breeding themselves within the system.
>
> But, I do basically use the S&S System.
>
> Thanks
Steve
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:55:42 -0500
On another board I'm on someone is testing it with no results after a
couple of months
> Please keep me and the rest of the group informed about how well
Sonic Bloom
> really works. If it does half what they claim, it would be cheap at
twice the
> price.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Mike/All
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:43:37 -0700
Twice, my wife has watched me write a lengthy letter to the group, and
TWICE this week, the compie has crashed, just as I was going to send.
My constant Time Manager, Protector, and
Know-whats-best-for-newlywed-wives I can only presume KNEW that my
question was going to be redundant. As a veteran of the group, I was
finally going to VOLUNTEER getting all those who wanted to post their
bookmarks
.that I will post them
but I think you have started a
fantastic thing Ada.
I am in the process of merging my bookmarks with the wife's and hence I
thought since I am doing this I might as well volunteer to do the links
page. You have not been the first newbie asking for sites to look at and
I thought it was time to look into doing it as I have a little free time
now.
Ada, would you have time to log and title large amounts of presorted
links? Is there anyone willing to sort and "tag" files? This was my
MAJOR issue
I have the files ordered in folders but dont have that
much time to write "undertitles".
Are there any 'ones' of us on Unlimited Net time with (a broken leg,
uncommited free and single
.no Mike dont post that bit
.:) ) some free
time to do some sorting??
With a bit of help we could create a fairly good site.
If you would just like to keep logging the suggested readings in posts
thats fine
. but as a veteran to the list I would like to suggest we
need more too
for the vets as well as the newbies
because we all
need stuff to read without spending too much of our time getting square
eyes
I suggest I will post a list of bookmarks after this in a seperate post
and then ask us the list to add as much of our wishes to that
. we are
some "bricaleurs" or "bastlers" at heart
. "do-it-yourselfers", as
Adrianna would say mothers of all trades
plumbers, welders, pump
technicians
. etc so I imagine the interest will be great.
I am asking all list members to add to that list as SWIFTLY AS POSSIBLE
as this would be necessary for the backbone of the bookmark page that
COULD arise out of this effort.
Thanks for your interest, and for the tip
. and Ada
I dont know if you
have been sent the detox pack yet
. but you MUST know about this group
that it is the most ADDICTIVE, Helpful, and task oriented ONE you will
EVER find
and we even go off topic sometimes
!!
SO TO ALL NEWBIES, I second the welcome extended to you from the
JAMAICAN CHAPTER of this list (David A. Hi!! ) and BEWARE YOU have
been warned
!!!!
My colleague Ted might just write a post warning you what happens when
you stay up too late due to being addicted to this list
and thats apart
from the square eyes
.!!
Yes Ada we all have a bit of change the world mentality in us, we do.depending on your beliefs you might see that it is more fruits of mans
heart we need
man is just SADLY greedy. We can provide for all the
folks in the world
. but greed is a mad thing.
But there is hope
CONTENTMENT is also a fantastic thing
so tonight I
choose to be bitten by a tonne of mosquitos
(need to go get some
citronella spray really
) and watch people return home walking in wet
muddy conditions
. We have had (like you Ted
and sorry to hear about
your tank, Ive seen a SHIP taken out of the water spun around and set on
dry land
man there is a God!! ) some SERIOUS rains recently
but when
I consider how many people can run a consulting firm with a fan under
their desks blowing cool air on them and sitting half naked on a big
swivel chair
having a cool drink once in a while and dont need
HEATING
. then I chooose to be content with where I am.
One thing you newbies will see is that we aquaponikers all want to
change the world, and like me above
break out once in a while with a
little rant
Sooo back to the late shift after the siesta.
Love to you all
Mike.
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
> Mike;
>
> There is a related article (classroom hydroponics/aquaponics) in this
> month's issue of Grower's Edge.
>
> All;
>
> www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/
>
> is UPDATED and there is also a new page of Useful links as referenced by
> list members. (I was doing it for myself and decided, why not be helpful
> and post it? So, I did.)
>
> Also, I was thinking last night, sustainable aquaculture could seriously
> solve world hunger. Is that a nice thought or what?
>
> All the best to you and yours;
>
> Ada
> Who was 1 hour late to work today, and had to take a cab, because she
> couldn't find her car keys.
>
>
>
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> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
| Message 13
Subject: Aquaponic Group Bookmark list Version 1
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 22:43:52 -0700
As discussed in the previous mail, here is the first compilation of
bookmark headings. I will begin the list by suggesting the following
headers. Just simply add your bookmark TITLES to the list, (Your
bookmarks will be added AT A LATER DATE) and send it back TO ME OFF
LIST. Please note that you can add bookmark titles that you yourself
might not already have sites to, as others may have sites available.
Please do not send the suggestions back to the list, lest others become
confused. I will post a complete list at the end of this exercise.
Please use the subject heading "BOOK MARK CHANGES".
Please attempt to submit the changes by Wednesday May 30, 2001. Thank
you all in advance for your help, in addressing this matter.
Aerators - Blowers
Alternative Animal Feeds
Alternative Cooling
Alternative Energy Sources
Alternative Farming
Alternative Grow Beds
Alternative Health
Alternative Heating
Alternative Technology
Aquaculture
Aquaculture Machinery
Aquaponics
Aquaria-Ornamental Fish
Biodigestion
Biofilters
Chemical Search Engines
Cooking - Recipes
Dictionaries
Ecotourism
Electrical Engineering/Repairs
Farming
Greenhouse Automation - Autodialers
Groups or Associations
Herbs
Hydroponics
Large Equipment
Ozone Friendly
Packaging - Suppliers/Machines
Plastics - Liners/Greenhouse Coverings
Pond Stuff
Preserving
Publications
Pumps - Suppliers/Models
PVC Issues
Rain Water
Rockwool
Schools - Aquaponic Curriculum and School Visit Info
Search Engines
Seed Sources - Seed Trays
Small Engines
Tissue Culture
Tubing
Water Purification
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