Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/31/01
Message 1: Re: Basil
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 2: Re: cheap grow beds
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 3: RE: Bamboo Shade Cloth
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 4: RE: Shade Cloth, Newby Questions-Light Meter
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 5: RE: Hydroponic Mushrooms
from "Carlos Arano"
Message 6: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from "KenHale"
Message 7: RE: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from "Karl FREY"
Message 8: Re: Fw: VIRUS - read this before deleting any files
from Menachem Brody
Message 9: Re: Aquaponic Cantaloupes and Carrots Was: Re: TOP TEN FOODS,
was: another system update
from Jim Joyner
Message 10: Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from Jim Joyner
Message 11: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: Re: cheap grow beds
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 13: Re: Basil
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 14: Re: Basil
from "Chris G"
Message 15: RE: Help
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 16: RE: Wind Powered Aeration
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 17: Worm System Recommendations
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 18: Re: Worm System Recommendations
from "Arlos"
Message 19: RE: Worm System Recommendations
from "Carol"
Message 20: Re: Worm System Recommendations
from Elisheva Ruth
Message 21: Re: Aquaponic Cantaloupes and Carrots Was: Re: TOP TEN FOODS,
was: another system update
from Jim Joyner
Message 22: Re: Help
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 23: Re: Basil
from Michael Olson
Message 24: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 25: Proposed Organic Standards for Aquatic Animals
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 26: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 27: Re: Affordable Source of Beds
from Bill Patrick
Message 28: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
from "TGTX"
Message 29: The Aquaponics Project
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 30: Re: Help anyone!! Thanks for all the help.
from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Message 31: Reply to - Re: Worm System Recommendations
from "David Atkinson"
Message 32: Michael Kline's Greenhouse Story
from Al Thompson
Message 33: affordable beds
from Al Thompson
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Basil
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:28:00 -0500
Check the Monte Packaging site. I have spoken with his client who is
doing this for Melissa's on several occasions and it is quite a bit
of labor and the volumes required are high. She has quite an
investment in her operation.
> Thanks for the reply. Your information clears up the misleading info
on
> the $22.40 a SQ Ft, every month. In order to be accurate the price
of
> the clamshell containers must first be subtracted from the .70c a
1/2
> oz. Does anyone know how much the containers cost.
| Message 2
Subject: Re: cheap grow beds
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:01:42 -0500
Steve, what is the approximate cost of these troughs? I assume they
are intended for watering cattle?
> > Anyway, that Mfg wouldn't be Behlen, would it?
> > Yes it would, they work great for me. I now have tomatoes
growing.
To change you e-mail setting in Outlook go to Format, select "Plain
Text".
Adriana
| Message 3
Subject: RE: Bamboo Shade Cloth
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:41:45 +0100
Thanks for that tip Dave,
Never thought of Bamboo. I have several ideas that were suggested
I will be trying over the next month, and I will give this one a go too.
Steve
SNIP
>Something I have seen that makes a good sunscreen in your part of the world
>is bamboo. They split it into strips about 5 millimeters wide by 2 meters
>long and weave a shade cloth with plastic covered wire . It works well, it
is
>cheap, it is biodegradeable
| Message 4
Subject: RE: Shade Cloth, Newby Questions-Light Meter
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:32:23 +0100
Hi Chris,
Since I was given that tip by Adriana, I have sourced up several
Light meters ( industrial types, not Photographic use ).
The ones I have looked at actually give out the
available light in Lumens or Candle power ( selectable ), in different
ranges ( selectable )
The basic model I have looked at is going for around $119.00.
There is also a more advanced model I am looking at that allows you
to manually select the light source, Flourescents, Sunlight and a few
others. This is a bit more expensive at approx $137.00.
As I am also getting heavily involved with Solar Power, I am justifying the
expense (to myself !!) as the meter would assist me in lining up my
panels for optimum efficiency.
Steve H
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jeppesen [mailto:bobcat48 'at' 37.com]
Sent: 30 May 2001 21:49
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Shade Cloth, Newby Questions - Thanks
How can a photographic light meter be used to check lumens?
Anyone?
Chris
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Hydroponic Mushrooms
From: "Carlos Arano"
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:51:19 -0300
Dave:
Maybe I'm getting old. Since 1995 I'm also out of mushrooms production
and it is possible that I don't know some advances in new technology on the
subject.
But I need from you more precision on your statements. In my life I
heard several times that somebody here or there was growing mushrooms
hydroponically. Germans seem to be near. But I never heard they got it.
Maybe you are talking about soilless culture. Well, most mushrooms are
grown by soilless culture methods. Compost is not soil. But hydroponically,
extrictly hydroponically (nutrient solution alone or with a inert
substrate), nobody could give me proofs UNTIL NOW.
From more than 3000 different kinds of mushrooms in the nature, which of
them you have seen? It will be nice if you can get more information.
Scientifically mushrooms is an amazing subject.
I will appreciate your next comment. Maybe I am wrong in my actual
thinking and I will have to change it. I am far from the big scientific
research world.
Regards,
Carlos
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:27 PM
Subject: Hydroponic Mushrooms
> Actually, mushrooms can be grown hydroponically. I have seen it done.
> Unfortunately, I did not take notes on HOW it was done so I can't tell you
> how to do it.
> Several years back, a faculty member asked me to devise a temprature
control
> system for the old chest type freezer he used to grow mushrooms
> hydroponically in the unheated basement of his house. This I did with a
> thermistor, an op-amp, a Triac to control a small electric heater inside
the
> defunct freezer. It was somewhat crowded in the freezer what with culture
> vessels, pumps, and jugs of nutrient solutions and the heater I added, but
it
> worked. Needless to say, he was growing for his own kitchen, not a
commercial
> venture.
> The point of this post is to tell you it can be done. Unfortunately, the
man
> who did it is now dead ( not from mushroom poisioning but old age). I am
sure
> the information on how to do it out there somewhere.
> Good luck. I hope this helps a little bit.
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> In a message dated 5/29/01 11:08:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
>
> << Bruce:
>
> If you like to live happy, please follow my advice: stay away from
> producing mushrooms !!! Leave others to do it.
> Until now, there is not an hydroponic method to grow them. Most
> mushrooms needs to decompose organic matter such as cellulose. They eat
> nutrients to grow from the products obtained by this decomposition.
> Hydroponic solutions are all inorganics. Mushrooms doesn't like them.
> >>
| Message 6
Subject: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: "KenHale"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:18:45 -0500
I found this on my computer and have deleted it before sending this message.
Ken
> Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become active until June 1,
> 2001, at that point it will become active and will be too late. It wipes
out
> all files and folders on the hard drive.
>
> This virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> folder. To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
>
> Go to the START button.
> Go to FIND or SEARCH
> Go to FILES & FOLDERS
> Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> Type in: SULFNBK.EXE
> Begin search.
>
> If it finds it, highlight it and press the Del key on your keyboard.
> Close the find dialog box.
> open the Recycle Bin.
> Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin.
>
> You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you
have
> sent ANY e-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has
> been on our computers. DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE.
> McAfee NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL
> JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN.
> WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!
>
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| Message 7
Subject: RE: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: "Karl FREY"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:25:05 -0300
THIS IS A HOAX
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of KenHale
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:19 AM
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Subject: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
I found this on my computer and have deleted it before sending this message.
Ken
> Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become active until June 1,
> 2001, at that point it will become active and will be too late. It wipes
out
> all files and folders on the hard drive.
>
> This virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> folder. To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
>
> Go to the START button.
> Go to FIND or SEARCH
> Go to FILES & FOLDERS
> Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> Type in: SULFNBK.EXE
> Begin search.
>
> If it finds it, highlight it and press the Del key on your keyboard.
> Close the find dialog box.
> open the Recycle Bin.
> Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin.
>
> You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you
have
> sent ANY e-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has
> been on our computers. DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE.
> McAfee NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL
> JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN.
> WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!
>
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| Message 8
Subject: Re: Fw: VIRUS - read this before deleting any files
From: Menachem Brody
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:29:38 +0200
This is another virus hoax:
The file that is mentioned in the hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a
Microsoft Windows utility that is used to restore long file names, and like
any .exe file, it can be infected by a virus that targets .exe files. The
virus/worm W32.Magistr.24876 'at' mm can arrive as an attachment named
Sulfnbk.exe. The Sulfnbk.exe file used by Windows is located in the
C:\Windows\Command folder. If the file is located in any other folder, or
arrives as an attachment to a email message, then it is possible that the
file is infected.
for more information:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
Menachem
At 07:18 31/05/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I found this on my computer and have deleted it before sending this message.
>Ken
> > Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become active until June 1,
> > 2001, at that point it will become active and will be too late. It wipes
>out
> > all files and folders on the hard drive.
> >
> > This virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> > folder. To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to FIND or SEARCH
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.EXE
> > Begin search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the Del key on your keyboard.
> > Close the find dialog box.
> > open the Recycle Bin.
> > Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin.
> >
> > You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you
>have
> > sent ANY e-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has
> > been on our computers. DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE.
> > McAfee NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL
> > JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN.
> > WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!
> >
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Aquaponic Cantaloupes and Carrots Was: Re: TOP TEN FOODS,
was: another system update
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:04:02 -0500
At 11:18 PM 5/30/01 -0400, you wrote:
I Currently have a small system in a backyard
greenhouse with gravel
growbeds that are 7" deep, and my carrots are doing great. The ones
I
have pulled out are about 3" long, but have a medicine taste to
them.
Not sure if it's from the warm temp in the greenhouse, or because
there
just to small.
Katie,
Unfortunately, even if everything is exactly right, carrots are not going
to get sweet with a frost.
Jim
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:08:08 -0500
MCAfee just put a hoax notice on this and ask that YOU DO NOT PASS IT ALONG.
Jim
At 07:18 AM 5/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I found this on my computer and have deleted it before sending this message.
>Ken
> > Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become active until June 1,
> > 2001, at that point it will become active and will be too late. It wipes
>out
> > all files and folders on the hard drive.
> >
> > This virus travels through e-mail and migrates to the C:\windows\command
> > folder. To find it and delete it off your computer, do the following:
> >
> > Go to the START button.
> > Go to FIND or SEARCH
> > Go to FILES & FOLDERS
> > Make sure the find box is searching the C drive.
> > Type in: SULFNBK.EXE
> > Begin search.
> >
> > If it finds it, highlight it and press the Del key on your keyboard.
> > Close the find dialog box.
> > open the Recycle Bin.
> > Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin.
> >
> > You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you
>have
> > sent ANY e-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has
> > been on our computers. DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE.
> > McAfee NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL
> > JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN.
> > WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Message 11
Subject: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:02:56 -0500
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
this is a hoax
check out the above url and hope you didn't delete the
file
Please check one of the website available before forwarding any message of
this type -- for the aquaponics group specifically, email me privately
before sending to the group.
Thanks
Paula
At 07:18 AM 05/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I found this on my computer and have deleted it before sending this message.
>Ken
>> Virus software cannot detect it. It will not become active until June 1,
>> 2001, at that point it will become active and will be too late. It wipes
>o
| Message 12
Subject: Re: cheap grow beds
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:45:58 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: cheap grow beds
> Steve, what is the approximate cost of these troughs? I assume they
> are intended for watering cattle?
>
> > > Anyway, that Mfg wouldn't be Behlen, would it?
> > > Yes it would, they work great for me. I now have tomatoes
> growing.
> Behlen is the Co. The name of the tank is Polytuff, yes it is for
livestock. I would have to look up what I paid for it I know that it was
cheaper than the others. you have to modify the drain, it is on the end not
on the bottom. I used a piece of threaded pipe in the end and it sealed
well and has been working for over a year. If you can't find any thing on
it, I will see if I can get you the info.just let me know.
Steve
> To change you e-mail setting in Outlook go to Format, select "Plain
> Text".
>
> Adriana
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Basil
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:44:23 EDT
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Keven ,Katy, when we started growing herbs in a hydroponic system which was
over 10 years ago, we were the first to sell herbs in a plastic bag in half
oz portions, the market has since gone to plasic containers and now one oz
,however the company I started is still selling in plasic bags and has sales
in the millions, Gordon Creaser. It is good to see you reading Future Grow
which is an English quality magazine.
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Keven ,Katy, when we started growing
herbs in a hydroponic system which was
over 10 years ago, we were the first to sell herbs in a plastic bag in half
oz portions, the market has since gone to plasic containers and now one oz
,however the company I started is still selling in plasic bags and has sales
in the millions, Gordon Creaser. It is good to see you reading Future Grow
which is an English quality magazine.
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: Basil
From: "Chris G"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:15:11 -0400
The chef side of me is wondering what types of basil are people growing?
Basil and garlic are my favorite foods (to cook with anyways)! :)
Christopher
| Message 15
Subject: RE: Help
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:11:38
I believe it was Bert asking for help identifying the cause of his fish
morts. If I remember correctly, Bert, you are located near Richmond, VA.
The man to contact would be Dr. David Crosby at Virginia State University.
He should be able to assist with skin and gill plating for identification of
parasites. You should always test the gills or skin of a fish very near the
death stage if possible. Once the fish is floating dead for a while, a
plethora of organisms will inhabit the carcass making identification of the
cause of death nearly impossible. Call Dr. Crosby or Brian Nerrie for
assistance.
Charlie
St. Croix, USVI
| Message 16
Subject: RE: Wind Powered Aeration
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:18:47
Mikey,
I too was a witness of the 3-4 foot choppy waves on the ponds in Jamaica.
Obviously a very cost effective way to aerate. As far as wind powered
aeration, it seems that the farmers will be experiencing low DO when the
winds stop blowing. Unless it is possible to store that wind generated
energy for periods of no wind, I don't understand how this will be possible
during critical periods of oxygen demand? Sorry I can't provide any answers
to this one.
Trying to harden my love, likkle bits at a time,
Charlie
St. Croix, USVI
| Message 17
Subject: Worm System Recommendations
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:28:42
Greetings family,
I'm looking for some testimonials on worm composting for the small
family/home garden situation. This may be a likkle off-topic, so feel free
to email me personally.
I know there is an abundance of systems available for purchase, plenty of
websites to peruse, and also plenty of systems to stay away from. What I'm
looking for is a simple system to treat my daily vegetable scraps, which as
an aquaponic producer in the tropics, constitutes a good bit everyday. I
would like a system that WORKS and produces a liquid effluent high in
Phosphorous. A system that can provide worm castings in an easily collected
form would also be desireable.
Does anyone have a system that are completely happy with? If so, please
pass along your comments.
T'anks in advance,
Charlie
St. Croix, USVI
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Worm System Recommendations
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:43:48 -0700
Charlie,
no, its not to far off topic because there are by produces of plant
growth. I purchased a pound of red worms one year ago for the same reason
you did. Family use
. We generate about two pounds of coffee grounds, egg
shells and vegetable scraps per day. Not to mention a paper shredder for
junk mail and worm bedding. I built a simple plywood box 2' by 3' by 2 ft in
height with a hinged top. vent holes are drilled to 2 29/16" with plastic
mesh for venting approx
3" off the bottom. the inside is fiberglassed to
prevent wood rot and a drain with a bulk head fitting is placed at one end
in the event worms produce to much "Worm Tea". the population of worms has
increased from about 1 lb to about 10lb in the year I've been using this
system. My lack of addition vegetable scraps have capped their population
from further expansion. I've harvested several pounds of worm compost and
composted that further to rid the soil of nematodes. Remember this is nature
and there will be other species that move in because there is something for
everyone to eat. Read "Eat My Garbage" a good primer on vermiculture.
Good Hunting,
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Shultz
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Worm System Recommendations
>Greetings family,
>
>I'm looking for some testimonials on worm composting for the small
>family/home garden situation. This may be a likkle off-topic, so feel free
>to email me personally.
>
>I know there is an abundance of systems available for purchase, plenty of
>websites to peruse, and also plenty of systems to stay away from. What I'm
>looking for is a simple system to treat my daily vegetable scraps, which as
>an aquaponic producer in the tropics, constitutes a good bit everyday. I
>would like a system that WORKS and produces a liquid effluent high in
>Phosphorous. A system that can provide worm castings in an easily
collected
>form would also be desireable.
>
>Does anyone have a system that are completely happy with? If so, please
>pass along your comments.
>
>T'anks in advance,
>Charlie
>St. Croix, USVI
>
__________________
>
>
>
| Message 19
Subject: RE: Worm System Recommendations
From: "Carol"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:48:24 -0400
I am the happy owner and user of:
one Worm-A-Roo, which is available from www.wormfarm.com
one Eliminator, which is available from www.happydranch.com
If you have as much waste as you suggest, the Worm-A-Roo will definitely be
too small - I feed it about once a week. The Eliminator may or may not be
large enough.
No matter what system you choose, it will take you a couple months to get it
to the point where it's eating at capacity. The single most common mistake
made in setting up a worm bin is giving it too much food too soon.
I would strongly recommand you sign up for the discussion group at Worm
Digest (www.wormdigest.org) and look through the discussion list archives -
all the archives are there on the website. You don't have to buy a system,
you can build one, and there's enough experience on that board to coach you
through building just about any kind of worm bin you could possibly need.
Also, try to read through the articles from the back-issues of their
magazine. They have two issues dedicated to reviewing worm bins, from
small-scale to large scale.
-Carol
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Charlie Shultz
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:29 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Worm System Recommendations
>
>
> Greetings family,
>
> I'm looking for some testimonials on worm composting for the small
> family/home garden situation. This may be a likkle
> off-topic, so feel free
> to email me personally.
>
> I know there is an abundance of systems available for
> purchase, plenty of
> websites to peruse, and also plenty of systems to stay away
> from. What I'm
> looking for is a simple system to treat my daily vegetable
> scraps, which as
> an aquaponic producer in the tropics, constitutes a good bit
> everyday. I
> would like a system that WORKS and produces a liquid effluent high in
> Phosphorous. A system that can provide worm castings in an
> easily collected
> form would also be desireable.
>
> Does anyone have a system that are completely happy with? If
> so, please
> pass along your comments.
>
> T'anks in advance,
> Charlie
> St. Croix, USVI
>
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> ___________
>
http://www.hotmail.com.
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Worm System Recommendations
From: Elisheva Ruth
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1904 16:52:46 +0000
Any info on the disease-suppression of worm castings?
Research references?
Eli
> From: "Arlos"
> Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:43:48 -0700
> To:
> Subject: Re: Worm System Recommendations
>
> Charlie,
>
> no, its not to far off topic because there are by produces of plant
> growth. I purchased a pound of red worms one year ago for the same reason
> you did. Family use
. We generate about two pounds of coffee grounds, egg
> shells and vegetable scraps per day. Not to mention a paper shredder for
> junk mail and worm bedding. I built a simple plywood box 2' by 3' by 2 ft in
> height with a hinged top. vent holes are drilled to 2 29/16" with plastic
> mesh for venting approx
3" off the bottom. the inside is fiberglassed to
> prevent wood rot and a drain with a bulk head fitting is placed at one end
> in the event worms produce to much "Worm Tea". the population of worms has
> increased from about 1 lb to about 10lb in the year I've been using this
> system. My lack of addition vegetable scraps have capped their population
> from further expansion. I've harvested several pounds of worm compost and
> composted that further to rid the soil of nematodes. Remember this is nature
> and there will be other species that move in because there is something for
> everyone to eat. Read "Eat My Garbage" a good primer on vermiculture.
>
> Good Hunting,
>
> Arlos Anderson
> Blue Lotus Aquatics
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Shultz
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Date: Thursday, May 31, 2001 12:28 PM
> Subject: Worm System Recommendations
>
>
>> Greetings family,
>>
>> I'm looking for some testimonials on worm composting for the small
>> family/home garden situation. This may be a likkle off-topic, so feel free
>> to email me personally.
>>
>> I know there is an abundance of systems available for purchase, plenty of
>> websites to peruse, and also plenty of systems to stay away from. What I'm
>> looking for is a simple system to treat my daily vegetable scraps, which as
>> an aquaponic producer in the tropics, constitutes a good bit everyday. I
>> would like a system that WORKS and produces a liquid effluent high in
>> Phosphorous. A system that can provide worm castings in an easily
> collected
>> form would also be desireable.
>>
>> Does anyone have a system that are completely happy with? If so, please
>> pass along your comments.
>>
>> T'anks in advance,
>> Charlie
>> St. Croix, USVI
>>
__________________
>>
>>
>>
>
>
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Aquaponic Cantaloupes and Carrots Was: Re: TOP TEN FOODS,
was: another system update
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:30:21 -0500
At 11:18 PM 5/30/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I Currently have a small system in a backyard greenhouse with gravel
>growbeds that are 7" deep, and my carrots are doing great. The ones I
>have pulled out are about 3" long, but have a medicine taste to them.
>Not sure if it's from the warm temp in the greenhouse, or because there
>just to small.
Katie,
Sorry, my brain got ahead of my hands. Try again: Unfortunately, even if
everything is exactly right, carrots are not going to get sweet without a
frost. It takes cold weather to convert starches to sugars.
Jim
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Help
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:48:16 EDT
Charlie,
Thanks a million . it was my Brother Ralph. Dr. Crosby came yesterday and it
was ICK. Probably from low water temp.
Thank you very much. You are always giving us great tips.
Bert
| Message 23
Subject: Re: Basil
From: Michael Olson
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
I haven't read any future replies to this thread yet,
so I may be repeating.
.but, the magnitude of the profit may lie in the
difference between fresh-cut basil (maybe the 1 lb
figure?) and the half-ounce clamshell (maybe dried
weight?). If this were true, the figures would seem
more reasonable. Just a thought.
Regards,
Mike
--- gutierrez-lagatta
wrote:
> No, Gordon is not dreaming, those are real figures.
> Some of his
> clients are growing basil for Melissa's which sells
> the cut herbs to
> Walmart. These are packaged in clamshell containers
> so there is a lot
> of labor and cost involved in packaging . A good
> bit of the $.70 is
> for the clamshell. I do recommend his sytem.
>
> Adriana
>
> > I Just finished reading an article in the magazine
> FUTUREGROW, issue
> 8.
> > titled Commercial Hydroponics in the U.S.A
> >
> > The author, Gordon Creaser claims that he is
> working with growers in
> > Florida that are selling cut Basil for .70c a half
> ounce bag, and
> > producing 1lb of basil per sq ft of grow space per
> month. That works
> out
> > to $22.40!! a month per sq ft. Is This guy
> dreaming or did I just
> die
> > and go to haven.
>
>
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| Message 24
Subject: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:22:45 -0600
> DANGER! VIRUS WARNING!!!
> Warning: If you receive an email entitled "Bad times,"
> DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY. Do not open it. Apparently,
> this one is pretty nasty. It will not only erase
> everything on your hard drive, but it will also delete
> anything on disks within 20 feet of your computer. It
> demagnetizes the stripes on ALL of your credit cards.
> It reprograms your ATM access code, screws up the
> tracking on your VCR and uses subspace field harmonics
> to scratch any CD's you attempt to play. It will program
> your phone auto dial to call only 900 numbers. This virus
> will mix antifreeze into your fish tank.
> It will drink ALL your beer.
>
> FOR GOD'S SAKE, ARE YOU LISTENING?!!!!
>
> It will leave dirty socks on the coffee table when you
> are expecting company. It will replace your shampoo
> with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine.
>
> It will cause you to run with scissors and throw
> things in a way that is only fun until someone loses
> an eye. It will rewrite your backup files, changing
> all your active verbs to passive tense and
> incorporating undetectable misspellings that grossly
> change the interpretations of key sentences.
>
> If the "Bad times" message is opened in a Windows
> 95/98 environment, it will leave the toilet seat up
> and leave your hair dryer plugged in dangerously close
> to a full bathtub.
>
> It will not only remove the forbidden tags from your
> mattresses and pillows; it will also refill your skim
> milk with whole milk.
>
> **WARN AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN**
> And if you don't send this to 5000 people in 20
> seconds, you'll fart so hard that your right leg will
> spasm and shoot straight out in front of you, sending
> sparks that will ignite onto the person nearest you.
>
> Send to everyone.
>
> [In case you are a blonde, this is a joke.]
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
>
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html
> this is a hoax
check out the above url and hope you didn't delete the
> file
>
> Please check one of the website available before forwarding any message of
> this type -- for the aquaponics group specifically, email me privately
> before sending to the group.
>
> Thanks
> Paula
>
| Message 25
Subject: Proposed Organic Standards for Aquatic Animals
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:24:40 -0500
The National Organic Standards Board will convene a meeting in La
Crosse WI on June 6-7 at which time the Institute for Social, Economic
and Ecological Sustainability Task Force will present their
recommendations There will also be an open public comment period
before and after the meeting. The proposed standards are posted on the
ISEES website at http://www.fw.umn.edu/ISEES/
Thanks go to Deborah J. Brister for keeping us informed. If you have
any comments I would direct them to her.
Deborah J. Brister
Organic Aquaculture Project Manager
Institute for Social, Economic and Ecological Sustainability
University of Minnesota
186 McNeal Hall
1985 Buford Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55108-6142
djb 'at' fw.umn.edu
| Message 26
Subject: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:27:19 -0600
Sorry Paula.
I hit send out of habit instead of sending it to you first.
Marc
>
> > DANGER! VIRUS WARNING!!!
> > Warning: If you receive an email entitled "Bad times,"
> > DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY. Do not open it. Apparently,
> > this one is pretty nasty. It will not only erase
>
sniporoonie maximus
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Affordable Source of Beds
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:46:25 -0400
Jim,
A few questions on Wonderboard grow beds.
Jim Jr wrote:
>
> Something I've used to build tanks and beds is fiber reinforced cement
> board (WonderBoard) intended for lining shower stalls and flooring
> bathrooms.
Wonderboard being at masonry product, did you see much of an effect from
it on the PH of the growbeds? Maybe this is similar to concrete
raceways.
Frame the sides with treated 2x12 timbers and add a 3/4"
> plywood floor and line with the WonderBoard.
Did you use Wonderboard on the sides also? And was the plywood bottom
also pressure treated?
Thanks,
Bill
| Message 28
Subject: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
From: "TGTX"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:19:57 -0500
Well, we just about lost it here at the Groundinian Complex.
I smacked my head on the desk in spasms of complete abandonment
Luckily, I kept my balance and stayed planted in the chair
Whoowee
I am wiping the tears off my cheek
man, y'all are
crazy
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: NO -- DON'T DELETE IT -- Re: Fw: VIRUS - READ THIS NOW!!!
> Sorry Paula.
>
> I hit send out of habit instead of sending it to you first.
>
> Marc
> >
> > > DANGER! VIRUS WARNING!!!
> > > Warning: If you receive an email entitled "Bad times,"
> > > DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY. Do not open it. Apparently,
> > > this one is pretty nasty. It will not only erase
>
> >
sniporoonie maximus
>
>
| Message 29
Subject: The Aquaponics Project
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 01:08:59 -0000
Hello to all you dear new friends;
I have not forgotton my commitment to help establish an organized link page,
introduction page, archive and FAQ. Since I've been pretty quiet (so quiet,
I haven't even had a chance to read all the wonderful information being
shared!), I thought I should let everyone know where I am on this.
In examining the nature of the project, I realize these tasks are things
that I can't do five-minutes-here-five-minutes-there at work as I have been.
So, I will be officially starting my contributions to this project in the
second week of June when I have a T-1, a new apartment, and more time.
I have been quiet, but not inactive. I have set up what I think will be a
very effective way for everyone to contribute in an organized fashion - an
"Aquaponics" board where everyone can contribute what info they have under
the list of topics we have already discussed. It is right here:
http://members5.boardhost.com/aquaponics/, but please don't post there yet.
For an example of how this will somewhat sort of work, please see
members.boardhost.com/fuzzies/ for a feel of how organized this can be.
(Yes, I have two ferrets, and yes, they are fabulous)
I have also set up an aquaponics-only email at
aquaponics 'at' primadonnasrevenge.com for use by the committee (if there is one,
just me if it ends up being that way).
So, in conclusion, I am still here, still motivated, still interested, and
I look forward to all the knowledge I will gain as I put this website
together! (And yes, of course, I will provide the web space)
Thanks all!
Ada
primadonnasrevenge.com
| Message 30
Subject: Re: Help anyone!! Thanks for all the help.
From: RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 22:25:48 EDT
I would like to thank all of you for your response to my call for help.
Dr. David Crosby from Va. State University came out yesterday and found that
my fish were infected with ich. I have lost about 85% of the catfish and now
starting to lose some koi. I will attempt tomorrow to rig up a solar heater
and try to get the temp high enough so as to get rid of ich.
Thanks again for all of the suggestions.
Ralph
| Message 31
Subject: Reply to - Re: Worm System Recommendations
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:39:01 -0400
Hi Charlie,
I do not think your question is off topic. Your question is dealing with
the means of utilizing the waste from your system and turning it into
something useful that can be an input for another area of your farming
operations. Or another possibility,
. could be sold to generate some
revenue that could offset some other expense on the farm.
I have an interest in the subject. Should anyone reply to you offlist, they
can also send a cc to me at: atkindw 'at' cybervale.com
David A
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Shultz
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Worm System Recommendations
> Greetings family,
>
> I'm looking for some testimonials on worm composting for the small
> family/home garden situation. This may be a likkle off-topic, so feel
free
> to email me personally.
>
> I know there is an abundance of systems available for purchase, plenty of
> websites to peruse, and also plenty of systems to stay away from. What
I'm
> looking for is a simple system to treat my daily vegetable scraps, which
as
> an aquaponic producer in the tropics, constitutes a good bit everyday. I
> would like a system that WORKS and produces a liquid effluent high in
> Phosphorous. A system that can provide worm castings in an easily
collected
> form would also be desireable.
>
> Does anyone have a system that are completely happy with? If so, please
> pass along your comments.
>
> T'anks in advance,
> Charlie
> St. Croix, USVI
>
__________________
>
| Message 32
Subject: Michael Kline's Greenhouse Story
From: Al Thompson
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:24:17 -0700
Hi All:
You may remember Michael Kline inquiring about a website to
post his greenhouse pics. We have finally got them up at
http://www.macropose.com/cultivate/mkline
We'd like any feedback you can provide. You can reach me
at
al 'at' macropose.com
and Michael at
MJKI 'at' hotmail.com
Regards,
Al
| Message 33
Subject: affordable beds
From: Al Thompson
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:26:48 -0700
Hi All:
I looked for some animal troughs that might be suitable
for use as growbeds. I found the Long Feed Trough shown
here:
http://rubberlineinc.com/FEEDERS.htm
Any thoughts as to their suitability?
Thanks,
Al
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