Aquaponics Digest - Tue 06/05/01
Message 1: Re: Affordable feed sources
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: Africa
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: SKIP THIS MESSAGE IF YOU ARE ONLY WANTING AQUAPONIC INFO
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 4: Re: Giant earth worms
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 5: RE: Affordable feed sources
from Darren Pearce
Message 6: Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 7: Re: Africa
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 8: Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
from pablo obiaga
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Affordable feed sources
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:07:10 -0500
Hi Darren,
Again, DITTO the barrels. I have access to used/free 5-gal plastic buckets.
I get 50 lb bags and place this in the aforementioned buckets. Works Great.
If you wish, I can get the 800# of my Purina supplier. (Say thanks to Mike
Davey, I think. He initially got this info for me
.I think) She, the
Purina rep, can tell you where you can get the 5D08 or whatever you want. I
wish I had this information available to me when I started. I was paying
almost $50/bag (w/shipping). I went through a lot of grief & expense when I
first started with the feed problem.
Steve
. :)
Steve----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Affordable feed sources
Darren Any feed store that deals with live stock growers will get it
for you than you just keep it in barrels
Bruce
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Africa
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:25:32 -0500
Yuck Bruce,
But kind of reminds me of that almost microscopic catfish somewhere in
Africa, you probably know, that will swim up the man's penis, extend his/her
fins, set up housekeeping, start feeding and grow. I think, if not treated,
this is almost always fatal. (I saw this on National Geographic so I assume
it is true.)
Those 5 -6 ' worms that you talk about in Africa are also present in Java. I
have seen the locals collecting them at night. (I thought they were after
frogs until I saw the worms at the local market the next day. Yuck to us
westerners
.but in reality, the worm is a perfect food source.)
Hey Ted, how 'bout some worms with that Fried Chicken??
Steve
. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Africa
Margi I am no Journalist just a guy with a life long interest in
Africa among other things and a near photographic memory.
Can you get Belhousea from swimming in the Zambezi,Do you still need to
be guarded from crocks buy rifle men when swimming in it. And what do
you call that worm that grows out of the natives and that needs to be
slowly wound up on a split match stick to remove so it does not break
and kill the native buy blood poisoning
Bruce
| Message 3
Subject: SKIP THIS MESSAGE IF YOU ARE ONLY WANTING AQUAPONIC INFO
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:28:23 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: Africa
> Margi I am no Journalist just a guy with a life long interest in
> Africa among other things and a near photographic memory.
> Can you get Belhousea from swimming in the Zambezi,Do you still need to
> be guarded from crocks buy rifle men when swimming in it. And what do
> you call that worm that grows out of the natives and that needs to be
> slowly wound up on a split match stick to remove so it does not break
> and kill the native buy blood poisoning
> Bruce
>
Hi Bruce
Bilharzia rife in the river-malaria rampant and tsetse fly prevents raising
commercial livestock- not so great if you are a local but great for
environmentalists. Best campfire story this year: game warden came by to ask
us to let him know if a head comes floating by- crocodile victim found
headless. The locals live off the river and there is a steady diet for
crocs. We never swim in the open river and no kids allowed on the banks-
it's hot, hot on the river and we will corall (sp) the boats on a sand bank
and take a dip but only FTs will swim in the river. I don't know the
scientific name of the worm (they look like tape-worm) and they are more
common in the outlying areas. Stop by the game warden's camp and he has a
few stored in jars of formaldehyde: my teenage son's best thing. This is a
nausea warning for more sensitive types: parts of it can be (visibly)
coughed up and then gets re-swallowed The valley is only touched by "
civilisation" around border crossings with truck stops introducing aids
into rural communities. Within an hour off main roads you are in virgin
bush - at the end of the war years, in the early 80's, poachers moved in an
wiped out the rhino population and now there are rumours that oil
exploration is ripping up chunks of natural forestation in the Rift Valley:
however 90 per cent of it is untouched and we have been down as far as
Cabora Bassa on the Mozambique border and not seen a shop, petrol station or
a tar road for three weeks: villages tend to congregate around the river and
their subsistence lifestyle is pretty harsh by our standards but a lack of
time is not one of their problems. No cellphone comms and if my husband is
the river rat then I am the pack rat. Putting kit for three weeks bush
living into a 4x4 is not an easy task- chocolate and beer first!
This is the tilapia part of the tale: we catch hand sized "bream" for dinner
and fillet and shallow fry them in a light batter. Very tasty and everybody
in Zimbabwe eats bream caught in freshwater dams and rivers. Larger fish
caught in rivers retain a muddy taste- a "fish story" , that has been
around for a long time, has it that they "process" the water they take in
as opposed to filtering it out directly. Any validity in this? I could put a
few fishermen in their place if not. A bream farm operated on the river at
Chirundu (western border between Zim and Zambia) until the floods of two
years ago. The dam gates upstream at Kariba were opened ,for the first time
since the 70's , and effectively put the bream farm into the river for a few
weeks and the business has not been built up again to date. The bream farm
at Lake Kariba is still up and running: when I get there in late June I will
check where their breeding stock comes from: I'll bet that "transgenic"
does not feature in their setup . The large bream caught in the deep water
of the lake has no "aftertaste" by comparison to bream caught in the
river.I have read about the purging methods for bream raised in captivity
but the above is how it works in a natural environment. Can't compare as our
tank fish are too small to eat as yet!
My son's hockey match is finished: watching and catching up on email at the
same time!
Take care
Margi
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Giant earth worms
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:51:53 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: Giant earth worms
Hi to Ted and Bruce
>
> > Ted Margi thinks it was you talking about the giant earth worms
I need Bruce's photographic memory to keep up with you two: a quick
snapshot of my mail to you will
give me the last word on he said/she said. Love the last word.
> > (that I saw in the national geographic magazine when i was a kid )from
> > the Zambize river dranage They grew to about 5 or 6 ft. and were hunted
> > buy the natives and cut up into steaks of about 6 inches acrost and were
> > fryed and eaten
Emailed friends in Zim and Zambia on this: will get back to you
Margi
> > Bruce
>
> Hunted? Hunted?
> Shades of Dune!
> What am I, as planetary ecologist going to do now?
> Mine the Spice!
>
> Ted
> (M'uadib's golf caddy)
>
I give up
. who's golf caddy?
PS It pains me to ask but how do I do that neat "snip" thing you all do?
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Affordable feed sources
From: Darren Pearce
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:54:17 -0400
Adrianna, Bruce and Steve
Thank you all very much! I'll be calling the local feed store today.Steve, If
I have any problems, I may be looking for that Rep #.
peace
Darren
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:52:39 -0500 (CDT)
Pablo The Pacu is a very active fish and in the wild they hang out
under wild fruiting trees eating the fruit that falls into the water.
They grow large fast I've seen them out grow large Aquariums in one
season and tank grown ones over 30lbs. get donated to zoos all the
time here in the USA. They can eat an orange in one bite at that
size!
So when you get them remember to stock them with plenty of room to grow.
And not at the density lb. per gal. that you finally plan to harvest
them at so they can grow and not stunt!
I could tell you alot more about them if you want just let me know
Bruce
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Africa
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:18:47 -0500 (CDT)
Steve that catfish is from the Amazon river drainage of south America
and though its so small its the most feared by the natives of any water
creature on that continent . I believe it's a blood consumer and aims
for a fishes gills normally for a meal.
Oh about the Hamburgers I ordered them today and will pick them up
on friday one box of 4s and one box of 2s and a box of sandwich
steaks if you want them
Bruce
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:47:24 -0300
Bruce,
Wow! It sounds even more like the yearly pig slaughter in the farm.
Salted bacon, sauceges an' ham to get trhu the winter. We grow them with
way and vegetable leftovers and fat them with corn and sweet potatos. One
pig is enough for a family.
Please do tell me. Do they reproduce easely in captivity?
Are they hardy?
PAblo
At 20:52 5/06/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Pablo The Pacu is a very active fish and in the wild they hang out
>under wild fruiting trees eating the fruit that falls into the water.
>They grow large fast I've seen them out grow large Aquariums in one
>season and tank grown ones over 30lbs. get donated to zoos all the
>time here in the USA. They can eat an orange in one bite at that
>size!
>So when you get them remember to stock them with plenty of room to grow.
>And not at the density lb. per gal. that you finally plan to harvest
>them at so they can grow and not stunt!
> I could tell you alot more about them if you want just let me know
> Bruce
>
>
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