Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
Message 1: Re: Photos
from "Devon Williams"
Message 2: Re: New addition to list
from "Devon Williams"
Message 3: Re: Photos
from "Jay Myers"
Message 4: Re: Photos
from "Devon Williams"
Message 5: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pac=FA?=
from pablo obiaga
Message 6: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp
for acuaponics HELP
from pablo obiaga
Message 7: jay's greenhouse pictures
from "Richard & Faye"
Message 8: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
from "Arlos"
Message 9: Re: OT: New addition to list
from Corey Cassel
Message 10: Pacu
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 11: Re: Photos
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 12: Re: New addition to list
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 13: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp
for acuaponics HELP
from pablo obiaga
Message 14: Re: Photos
from "Arlos"
Message 15: RE: Photos SONY
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 16: Flying Pacu
from Jim
Message 17:
from "WALTER SHARRER"
Message 18: Re: Giant earth worms
from "TGTX"
Message 19: Re: Pacu (picture of)
from "Frank Stancato"
Message 20: Re: Photos
from "Jay Myers"
Message 21: Re: Photos
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 22: Re: jay's greenhouse pictures
from "Jay Myers"
Message 23: Re: New addition to list
from "TGTX"
Message 24: Re: New addition to list
from "TGTX"
Message 25: RE: jay's greenhouse pictures
from "Richard & Faye"
Message 26: Re: Photos
from "Arlos"
Message 27: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
from "Hansen"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:39:09 -0400
Jay,
Thanks for the pics, it looks like you've got a great setup! One question:
Is your entire greenhouse running aquaponics, or a combination of hydro and
aqua? I noticed your lettuce lake, but wasn't sure if you kept that going
using hydro or aqua
.Thanks!
>From: "Jay Myers"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Photos
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:19:44 -0500
>
>Greetings -
>
>Some folks have asked to see pic's of my greenhouse, so I have added a
>section to my site. You can go there directly by:
>http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/
>
>Enjoy at will.
>
>Jay Myers
>Panama City Beach, Fl.
>
| Message 2
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:58:22 -0400
Thanks Adriana, but I don't believe I'll be passing your comment on to my
wife, as I enjoy my head attached to my neck!! ;->
Devon
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: New addition to list
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:48:32 -0500
>
>Now WHO is going to have the beer belly? Congratulations!
>
>Adriana
>
>
> > My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second
>child!!! He/she
> > is due the end of January 2002!
>
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:02:30 -0500
Hi Devon -
There are 3 systems in there. The lettuce lake in just nutrient sitting
there. I am working on aeration, cooling, and filtration, but it's just been
sitting there for 6 weeks now and doing OK.
The aquaponics runs only the gravel grow beds.
The vertigrow towers with strawberries (in winter) and now tomatoes and
cucumbers is pure hydroponic in city water drip irrigation with chemical
injection of the fert.
If I'm not clear let me know.
Jay
> Is your entire greenhouse running aquaponics, or a combination of hydro
and
> aqua?
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 08:08:16 -0400
Clear as a bell, thanks!
Devon
>From: "Jay Myers"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Photos
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 07:02:30 -0500
>
>Hi Devon -
>
>There are 3 systems in there. The lettuce lake in just nutrient sitting
>there. I am working on aeration, cooling, and filtration, but it's just
>been
>sitting there for 6 weeks now and doing OK.
>
>The aquaponics runs only the gravel grow beds.
>
>The vertigrow towers with strawberries (in winter) and now tomatoes and
>cucumbers is pure hydroponic in city water drip irrigation with chemical
>injection of the fert.
>
>If I'm not clear let me know.
>
>Jay
>
>
>
> > Is your entire greenhouse running aquaponics, or a combination of hydro
>and
> > aqua?
>
| Message 5
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pac=FA?=
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 01:59:07 -0300
Paula:
I'm
. I lost words in english. Gracias, gracias, gracias and more
gracias. You are
. "un amor".
It's realy encouraging.
What an incredible list!
You people are wonderfull.
PAblo
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp
for acuaponics HELP
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:30:22 -0300
Arlos:
"On a more serious note as no one has yet to captivity breed Pacu at least
commercially. Is there any threat to their numbers in the wild. Any
knowledge as to their capture and method of transport? The chain of custody
for many marine species is brutal at best in unregulated countries"
Pac=FA is not in the list of endangered species (Fishbase)
In the first mail I posted on the subject there is a brazilian site.They
are a hatchery and sell them at 80 Reais (Brazilian money 2,2 Reais per
dollar today) a thousand fingerling. Now, in these years there's been a big
devaluation in Brazil. Don't know the update of the page. It would be less
than 40 US dollars. If the prize would have manteined in dollars it would
be something like 80 U$A per thousand, shipping not included. So think of
something in the middle. It scares me the cost of shipping that alive to
California.
I'll repost the site. Its located in Sao Paulo.
Source: http://www.moana.com.br
Moana Aquacultura
Greetings,
Pablo
| Message 7
Subject: jay's greenhouse pictures
From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:45:57 -0500
Hi Jay,
Just wondering what kind of tomatoes and cucumbers you are growing in the
vertigo? We are using it for the first time this year on strawberries and
it is working really good.
Richard Salmons
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:24:47 -0700
Pablo,
Thanks, I checked the site but I'm going to have to bone up on Portuguese.
World wide transport of marine species is still not an exact science but is
improving. Customs, insurance and airline policy have been constant
stumbling blocks to this. I had a client last year wanting to ship Moon
Jellies to Belgium for a trade show with a one month notice. For the money
he offered I would have bought them 1 st class seats on virgin Air and
plied them with alcohol but due to constraints on shipping into Europe the
project fell flat. I had a pump system to last 72 hours to remove ammonia
and enough DO to insure the health of the animal but I could not get the
necessary insurance or permits in time. Shipping is still an expensive part
of an operation and a few companies have required a hefty deposit on
equipment to insure its return. Some species like the leafy sea dragon from
Australia can cost $3,500 (US) each, so shipping becomes a critical part of
the investment from both ends
I have a friend that bought an African tiger
fish a number of years ago and I have no idea how it even made it into this
country but the problem hit the wall when he purchased feeder fish from a
large chain pet supplier who in turn had purchased them from a supplier in
the south pacific. The feeder fish as it turned out had parasites the
African tiger fish had no natural defense against. There was a law suit but
the pet supplier won as they should have. The point of this is as we
increasingly shrink as a larger community and it becomes possible to
transship globally it becomes apparent that issues of quarantine not only
due to temp shifts occur but as to not introduce disease and parasitic
conditions into an environment ill equip to identify and control potential
disasters. There is a case of a northern pike population having been
introduced by someone into Lake Davis here in California where their habitat
is in the mid west which to us is anywhere east of Berkeley. Likewise north
Atlantic salmon have been farm breed in the Pacific north west and escaped
and have begun to spread and will threaten lass aggressive native species.
The greatest information and practices is from those out there constantly
improving culturing, breeding and improving conditions favorable to
acceptance by officials that weld the big rubber OK stamp. Other than that
I'm looking forward to setting down to a meal of my first Pacu (no offense
to those of you raising them as pets).
Cheers,
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: pablo obiaga
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for
acuaponics HELP
Arlos:
"On a more serious note as no one has yet to captivity breed Pacu at least
commercially. Is there any threat to their numbers in the wild. Any
knowledge as to their capture and method of transport? The chain of custody
for many marine species is brutal at best in unregulated countries"
Pacś is not in the list of endangered species (Fishbase)
In the first mail I posted on the subject there is a brazilian site.They
are a hatchery and sell them at 80 Reais (Brazilian money 2,2 Reais per
dollar today) a thousand fingerling. Now, in these years there's been a big
devaluation in Brazil. Don't know the update of the page. It would be less
than 40 US dollars. If the prize would have manteined in dollars it would
be something like 80 U$A per thousand, shipping not included. So think of
something in the middle. It scares me the cost of shipping that alive to
California.
I'll repost the site. Its located in Sao Paulo.
Source: http://www.moana.com.br
Moana Aquacultura
Greetings,
Pablo
| Message 9
Subject: Re: OT: New addition to list
From: Corey Cassel
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:37:47 -0500
Congrats Devon!
I'm expecting my first grandbaby in mid-November, we've already
started on our "spoil the child completely rotten" program.
Corey
Devon Williams wrote:
> Hi everyone, I just wanted to send a note to the aquaponics family
> announcing my latest off-list happenings.
>
> My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second child!!!
> He/she is due the end of January 2002!
>
> Just wanted to share.
>
> Devon Williams
> Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
> Watkinsville, GA
| Message 10
Subject: Pacu
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:29:22 -0500
Paula,
I believe Wendy Ngurny (?) who used to participate on this list
regularly had and loved Pacu in her University research tanks
somewhere in Virginia.
Adriana
> Don't have too much time, but I did find some earlier Pacu
conversations in
> the archives. If anyone currently on-list has something to add,
please do.
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:43:54 -0500
Jay,
What camera are you using? What about the rest of you guys? I'm
thinking of buying a digital camera but
A. want it to be easy to use
B. want it to be as cheap as possible but still give fairly decent
photos
Any suggestions?
Adriana
> Some folks have asked to see pic's of my greenhouse, so I have added
a
> section to my site. You can go there directly by:
> http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:57:33 -0500
Devon,
You can add these kind words . When I was as big as a house, just
about to enter the "beached whale" state with my first child, when an
older man I met took a look at me and quietly said "A pregnant woman
is in a special state of grace with God". It was said in such a
reverent fashion that I still appreciate the comment 16 years later.
Adriana
> Thanks Adriana, but I don't believe I'll be passing your comment on
to my
> wife, as I enjoy my head attached to my neck!! ;->
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp
for acuaponics HELP
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:09:04 -0300
Arlos:
If you are interested in that Pac=FA hatchery, mail them for information.
Make use off the prerrogative of english as an international language. You
may not understand many people but many people will understand you. I can
asure you they will mail you back in english. If I can be of any help just
tell me. Portuguese is similar to spanish and I lived there when in my=
teens.
There is also Raul Vergueiro on the list. He is from Sao PAulo. He is
usualy very bussy but perhaps he can help to.
What you tell me about the costs and buro-swet, makes me think that my
options get narrower.
First I'll finnd out if some pet store has Pac=FA. I doubt it, for us exotic
is mexican, chinese, etc,. But it turned out that Pac=FA is exotic. We have
it in our rivers and not many people know about it.
Second, I could try and catch some, or have them catched. It would imply
crossing the country and stay there perhaps for many days.
Third, find out of a hatchery near the Brazilian border.
Pac=FA a la .Bon Apetit
Pablo
At 09:24 7/06/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Pablo,
>
> Thanks, I checked the site but I'm going to have to bone up on=
Portuguese.
>World wide transport of marine species is still not an exact science but is
>improving. Customs, insurance and airline policy have been constant
>stumbling blocks to this. I had a client last year wanting to ship Moon
>Jellies to Belgium for a trade show with a one month notice. For the money
>he offered I would have bought them 1 st class seats on virgin Air and
>plied them with alcohol but due to constraints on shipping into Europe the
>project fell flat. I had a pump system to last 72 hours to remove ammonia
>and enough DO to insure the health of the animal but I could not get the
>necessary insurance or permits in time. Shipping is still an expensive part
>of an operation and a few companies have required a hefty deposit on
>equipment to insure its return. Some species like the leafy sea dragon from
>Australia can cost $3,500 (US) each, so shipping becomes a critical part of
>the investment from both ends
I have a friend that bought an African=
tiger
>fish a number of years ago and I have no idea how it even made it into this
>country but the problem hit the wall when he purchased feeder fish from a
>large chain pet supplier who in turn had purchased them from a supplier in
>the south pacific. The feeder fish as it turned out had parasites the
>African tiger fish had no natural defense against. There was a law suit but
>the pet supplier won as they should have. The point of this is as we
>increasingly shrink as a larger community and it becomes possible to
>transship globally it becomes apparent that issues of quarantine not only
>due to temp shifts occur but as to not introduce disease and parasitic
>conditions into an environment ill equip to identify and control potential
>disasters. There is a case of a northern pike population having been
>introduced by someone into Lake Davis here in California where their=
habitat
>is in the mid west which to us is anywhere east of Berkeley. Likewise north
>Atlantic salmon have been farm breed in the Pacific north west and escaped
>and have begun to spread and will threaten lass aggressive native species.
>The greatest information and practices is from those out there constantly
>improving culturing, breeding and improving conditions favorable to
>acceptance by officials that weld the big rubber OK stamp. Other than that
>I'm looking forward to setting down to a meal of my first Pacu (no offense
>to those of you raising them as pets).>
>Cheers,
>
>Arlos
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pablo obiaga
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 7:41 AM
>Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for
>acuaponics HELP
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:02:09 -0700
Adriana,
In the world of digital, what you pay is what you get. Sony Mavica drivers
are problematic but the use of a 3.5" disk is a real convenience. I would
certainly look at features that allow you to load right onto your
PC,"quickly". Low light abilities and high memory and long battery life are
a big plus. Canon has some great models out. Honestly I haven't seen
anything worth buying under $500 especially if you want clean color
saturation and high pixilation.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Photos
>Jay,
>
>What camera are you using? What about the rest of you guys? I'm
>thinking of buying a digital camera but
>A. want it to be easy to use
>B. want it to be as cheap as possible but still give fairly decent
>photos
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Adriana
>
>> Some folks have asked to see pic's of my greenhouse, so I have added
>a
>> section to my site. You can go there directly by:
>> http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/
>>
>
>
| Message 15
Subject: RE: Photos SONY
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:24:29 +0100
Adriana,
I got the Sony Cybercam. Can take short MPEG movies with sound too
(5 to 15 second for emails ).
This takes SONY 'at' s proprietory memory "sticks".
If you have a laptop, with PCMCIA slot, you can buy an adapter for
these "sticks" that slots straight in to the PCMCIA slot. The PC
then recognises it as an additional drive, and you just copy or move
the Pictures to your hard drive. If you have a newer SONY laptop,
these come with a slot for the Memory stick in the side, so you don 'at' t
need to buy the adaptor. Just buy additional "sticks" and change them
out on the fly. Reformat them in the camera once you have transferred
the pictures.
For desktop transfers, the camera comes with a serial link. Bit slow though.
It 'at' s a 2.5 mega pixel camera.
I agree with Arlos, you need to be near the $500 mark for a good camera.
Tried living with a few of the earlier Casios. You need a truck full of
AA batteries with you all the time. 4 brand new Duracells would not last 30
minutes,
and the picture quality was not that good.
Plenty of choice out there at the moment. Your choice of Picture Storage
Media
would be important. No guarantee of future proofing your investment, as
there
is a bit of a battle between different types of "proprietory" storage Media.
Steve H
-----Original Message-----
From: Arlos [mailto:arlos 'at' bluelotusaquatics.com]
Sent: 08 June 2001 06:02
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Photos
Adriana,
In the world of digital, what you pay is what you get. Sony Mavica drivers
are problematic but the use of a 3.5" disk is a real convenience. I would
certainly look at features that allow you to load right onto your
PC,"quickly". Low light abilities and high memory and long battery life are
a big plus. Canon has some great models out. Honestly I haven't seen
anything worth buying under $500 especially if you want clean color
saturation and high pixilation.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Photos
>Jay,
>
>What camera are you using? What about the rest of you guys? I'm
>thinking of buying a digital camera but
>A. want it to be easy to use
>B. want it to be as cheap as possible but still give fairly decent
>photos
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Adriana
>
>> Some folks have asked to see pic's of my greenhouse, so I have added
>a
>> section to my site. You can go there directly by:
>> http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/
>>
>
>
| Message 16
Subject: Flying Pacu
From: Jim
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:59:05 -0500
Can't be worse than flying live fish to Japan from Arkansas or
Mississippi and we do that almost daily. I'll check tonight now that
you've started me wanting to try a few. These Pacu seem to be an
interesting gamefish as well, which brings them into my list of
possibles.
Jim
pablo obiaga wrote:
>
> Arlos:
> "On a more serious note as no one has yet to captivity breed Pacu at least
> commercially. Is there any threat to their numbers in the wild. Any
> knowledge as to their capture and method of transport? The chain of custody
> for many marine species is brutal at best in unregulated countries"
>
> Pacś is not in the list of endangered species (Fishbase)
> In the first mail I posted on the subject there is a brazilian site.They
> are a hatchery and sell them at 80 Reais (Brazilian money 2,2 Reais per
> dollar today) a thousand fingerling. Now, in these years there's been a big
> devaluation in Brazil. Don't know the update of the page. It would be less
> than 40 US dollars. If the prize would have manteined in dollars it would
> be something like 80 U$A per thousand, shipping not included. So think of
> something in the middle. It scares me the cost of shipping that alive to
> California.
>
> I'll repost the site. Its located in Sao Paulo.
>
> Source: http://www.moana.com.br
> Moana Aquacultura
>
> Greetings,
> Pablo
| Message 17
Subject:
From: "WALTER SHARRER"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:18:32 -0500
unsubscribe
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Giant earth worms
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:46:59 -0500
> > Hunted? Hunted?
> > Shades of Dune!
> > What am I, as planetary ecologist going to do now?
> > Mine the Spice!
> >
> > Ted
> > (M'uadib's golf caddy)
> >
> I give up
. who's golf caddy?
M'uadib? (sp?) you ask?
Central figure in Frank Herbert's "Dune".
Yep
.A place with Sand Worms the size of a Blue Whale on a Marlon Brando
diet.
Neat thing about Dune (the Planet Akkaris) is that the whole place is a sand
trap.
No greens, no fairways, certainly no water traps
.no golf carts
.just
ornithopters.
Fore!
Ted
(Be the ball, be the ball
)
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Pacu (picture of)
From: "Frank Stancato"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:06:41 -0700
Steve, check out this website. You thought that the catfish was big. You
probably would not grow your Pacu's this large for marketing, but what
fillets they would make.
Frank
http://www.fishingasia.com/pacu.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Pacu (picture of)
> HOLY MOLY!!
>
> We have this conversation about Pacu. I had no idea what they looked like,
> so I looked them up. HOLY MOLY!! Take a look at THIS!!
>
> http://www.alanet.com.br/com/prj_pacu/pacui001.htm
>
> I'm amazed. I'm a Georgia boy & I "ain't" never seen a catfish like that!
> Pirannah
.no way
.that's a catfish!
>
> Later
Steve
>
>
>
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:59:22 -0500
> What camera are you using? It's a Sony.
I'm thinking of buying a digital camera but
> A. want it to be easy to use
> B. want it to be as cheap as possible but still give fairly decent
> photos
My biggest suggestion is to get one you put up to your eye. Ours has a
screen on the back, so we have to hold it away from our faces, and in any
kind of bright light it can't be seen.
Ours was fairly expensive, but I can focus on a gnats hemoroid. (Really
close) I've found that usefull because I've taken pictures of plant
problems, e-mailed them to plant Docs, and been fixing the problem within
hours.
Jay
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Photos
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 19:10:59 -0600
We bought the cheapest Olympus they sold at CompUSA. It has
a super close up feature. It's too close up to hold in your
hands without blurring.
Its quality is like a Kodak Brownie Instamatic which is
actually pretty good.
It has two big drawbacks I can think of:
It can take up to 10 minutes to download.
The date time stamp are in software and will not show on the
picture.
All in all we're happy with it and would go that route
again.
The pictures on our websites are all from that camera.
http://www.aculink.net/~marc/greenhouse/greenhouse.htm
http://www.aculink.net/~marc/PASTURED.HTM
http://www.aculink.net/~marc/Thefarm.htm
Marc
| Message 22
Subject: Re: jay's greenhouse pictures
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:13:33 -0500
Hi Richard -
The tomatoes are "trust", and I also have some grape.
The cukes are "fitness." Got the seeds from a local hydro supplier.
Where are you, and are your strawberries in now ?
Jay
> Just wondering what kind of tomatoes and cucumbers you are growing in the
> vertigo? We are using it for the first time this year on strawberries and
> it is working really good.
>
> Richard Salmons
| Message 23
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:24:57 -0500
Devon,
Congratulations!!!
God Bless You and Yours
.!!
Now, here's the deal, folks, what we have to do is start a pool to bet on
the delivery date
.the winner
uh
wins. This could be the first
Internet Aquaponics Lamaze Class in History
Breath, Devon,
Breath
It'll be allright.
I bet on Feb 3rd, my birthday
Ted
("Aquarius Aquaponicus"
born 8lbs, 9oz , Dallas, TX, Feb 3, 1957 4:29
AM
early riser
.first word by baby Tedster?
"Light!!!!"
)
> Hi everyone, I just wanted to send a note to the aquaponics family
> announcing my latest off-list happenings.
> My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second child!!!
He/she
> is due the end of January 2002!
> Just wanted to share.
> Devon Williams
Yeah!!!
| Message 24
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:37:49 -0500
> Ted
> ("Aquarius Aquaponicus"
born 8lbs, 9oz , Dallas, TX, Feb 3, 1957 4:29
> AM
>
early riser
.first word by baby
Tedster?
"Light!!!!"
)
Sorry, that was 8 lbs, 12 oz
.you gotta sweat the details sometimes
.but
who's counting?
| Message 25
Subject: RE: jay's greenhouse pictures
From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 21:40:17 -0500
We are located in central Missouri. If you take a map and locate the Lake
of the Ozarks we live in the Saline River valley just north and east of the
dam.
Yes, and this may have been a mistake, we planted the berries about three
weeks ago and have been fortunate to have some very cool weather. The
plants are camrosa and are growing very rapidly. In fact we have several
flowering and some have set berries. In addition to two large fans we are
using a homemade 24' swamp cooler and for the most part have kept the temp
in the low 80's. Will be adding shade cloth next week. All we really are
attempting to accomplish is to understand the system so that we can plant
again in the fall for a winter crop.
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Jay Myers
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 8:14 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: jay's greenhouse pictures
>
>
> Hi Richard -
>
> The tomatoes are "trust", and I also have some grape.
> The cukes are "fitness." Got the seeds from a local hydro supplier.
>
> Where are you, and are your strawberries in now ?
>
> Jay
>
> > Just wondering what kind of tomatoes and cucumbers you are
> growing in the
> > vertigo? We are using it for the first time this year on
> strawberries and
> > it is working really good.
> >
> > Richard Salmons
>
>
>
>
| Message 26
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:45:36 -0700
Your weather in CO is pretty amazing. I attempted to ride my BMW to Boulder
around the early middle of May Only to find the morning I left that winds
were still sustained at 80 outside of Salt Lake and the Front Range was
still getting over an inch an hour of snow. Everything here in CA has been
in bloom for well over a month by then. I think I'll still take our quakes
over that kind of quirky weather.
A lot is to be said for the strength of PVC pipe. I worked at the rocky
Mountain Arsenal two years ago on a remidiation project and found to my
surprise how easily PVC becomes sunburned by UV. Must be the elevation. I
found working in the British Virgin Islands how quickly it becomes
sunbleached. I know larger diameter schedule 80 PVC can be ordered with a UV
inhibitor. I've seen it look terrible after years of exposure to the sun but
the stuff sure seems to last considering the low cost. Hope you can catch
back up with the growing season.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Photos
>We bought the cheapest Olympus they sold at CompUSA. It has
>a super close up feature. It's too close up to hold in your
>hands without blurring.
>
>Its quality is like a Kodak Brownie Instamatic which is
>actually pretty good.
>
>It has two big drawbacks I can think of:
>
>It can take up to 10 minutes to download.
>
>The date time stamp are in software and will not show on the
>picture.
>
>All in all we're happy with it and would go that route
>again.
>
>The pictures on our websites are all from that camera.
>
>http://www.aculink.net/~marc/greenhouse/greenhouse.htm
>
>http://www.aculink.net/~marc/PASTURED.HTM
>
>http://www.aculink.net/~marc/Thefarm.htm
>
>Marc
>
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for acuaponics HELP
From: "Hansen"
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:28:39 -0500
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From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:47 PM
Subject: Pacu notes from the archives Part 2, was Re: Fwd. fish sp for
acuaponics HELP
>
> Date: 29 Apr 1998 16:57:02 -0700
> From: Erik.Westgaard 'at' pcsmail.pcshs.com
> Subject: Red Pacu Requirements
>
> What are the water temperature, quality, etc, requirements for this fish?
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:38:03 -0500
> From: Gordon Watkins
> Subject: Re: Red Pacu Requirements
>
> They tolerate the same conditions as tilapia, which is to say, less than
> ideal. I maintain them at temps of 62 to 85 degrees F. in a
> recirculating system and they have been very healthy, maybe more so than
> the tilapia.
> gordon
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ted Ground"
> Subject: Re: Tilapia/Pacu Taste Test
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:07:29 -0500
>
> Here are sources for pacu with the continental US (I have other sources if
> these do not prove to be reliable)
>
> Acuagranja Inc.
> 14629 SW 104 Str. Box 431
> Miami, FL 33186
> USA
> 305-386-3686
> abacolatin 'at' aol.com
>
> Ekkwill Waterlife Resources
> 7502 Symmes Road
> Gibsonton, FL 33534
> USA
> 813-677-5475
> ekkwill 'at' compuserve.com
>
> Southwest Florida Tropicals
> 10110 Laredo Street
> Naples, FL 34114-3137
> USA
> 941-774-3000
>
> Investigate these folks at your own risk. I have yet to buy pacu from any
> of these folks. About all I can say is that are nationally (USA)
> advertised. I have other sources in Venezuela, Brasil, and Columbia if
> anybody else is interested.
> ------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Wendy Nagurny"
> Subject: Re: Tilapia/Pacu Taste Test
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:07:48 -0400
>
> I inadvertently sent this to Ted instead of the list. Let's try this
> again. For all the lists I am on, one would think I would get this right
> by now .
>
> Pacu
.I never thought about eating pacu. They do grow fast. If I
> remember correctly, pacu are largely vegetarian and would be happiest if
> they got the scraps from the growing beds too. Would bring the feeding
> costs down a bit to boot.
> Wendy
> ------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:41:45 -0400
> From: Chris Hedemark
> Subject: Re: Tilapia/Pacu Taste Test
>
> Wendy Nagurny wrote:
>
> > Pacu
.I never thought about eating pacu. They do grow fast. If I
>
> The *pet* tilapia I have had grew fast, but the *pet* pacus grew much
> faster. In a larger tank than a hobbyists 55 gallon or 150 gallon tank,
> I can't say if the observed growth rates would translate directly under
> different conditions.
>
> I think it is also incorrect to state that they are largely vegetarian.
> In comparison to their close relatives, the piranhas, I would say that
> they are largely vegetarian. The more precise description, I would say,
> is that they are thoroughly omnivorous and a real opportunistic feeder.
> I've seen them eat live mice as well as boiled spinnach. Small fish
> seem to be a favorite. I would say that in terms of their eating habits
> they are cleaner eaters than most cichlids like tilapia, but overall
> feed conversion is something that I can't say I can offer an observation
> on. Remember, I've only ever kept them as pets so I never really took
> notice to some of these aspects of their care.
>
> I have also noticed that they are less tolerant of rapid temperature
> changes than tilapia, but probably more tolerant of low pH and low
> hardness. I've seen pacus apparently thrive in water at 3.7 pH in a pet
> shop I used to work at as a teenager. Of course, after correcting the
> water conditions and getting the pH up to the 6.x range with healthy
> oxygenation and filtering, the 10" fish went through another growth
> spurt right away.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:32:51 -0400
> From: "Sandy S. Brown"
> Subject: Pacu
>
> I thought I'd throw in my two cents worth on pacu, while I should be
> running out the door to get to the lab. Of the twenty-two species that we
> currently have in the Aquatic Medicine Lab, the pacu (species
> mesopotamicus) are my favorites. I've found them to be very intelligent,
> gentle, and healthy fish. We started out about 2 1/2 years ago, with 24
> fish, about 2.5 inches long, in a 55-gallon tank. They were moved to a
> 550-gallon tank long ago, and all 24 are now 15-18 inches long. Our
> attempt was never to get them to grow rapidly, just to see if they would
> subsist in our system, so they have been fed minimally. They started out
> with an undergravel filtration system, but they managed to move the gravel
> around so much that the filtration became ineffective; I had to add four
> aquarium box filters, which get their filter floss changed weekly, and I
> vacuum their gravel and flush water through their undergravel filter at
the
> same time. They have incredibly strong jaws and a heck of a set of teeth,
> and they like to chew, so it was a challenge for some time to keep airline
> for the box filters whole; I purchased four dog chew toys (stretchable
> latex) and demonstrated chewing on them before I put them in the tank, and
> that has largely saved the airline.
>
> They eat Zeigler 3/8" Floating Fish Nuggets, supplemented with frozen
mixed
> vegetables (green beans, lima beans, peas, carrots, corn) heated in tap
> water until they're warm. They enjoy other vegetables, as well, but this
> gives them variety, which they seem to appreciate, and is not too labor
> intensive. Their coloration is better when they get vegetables. They
will
> do OK at lower temperatures, but are more alert and active at 80-82F.
>
> Those strong jaws and teeth (designed for cracking nut hulls in the Amazon
> basin) can be used on meat, but they have never attacked each other, even
> when injured (unlike the tilapia!), and when a pacu managed to land in a
> tank of small tilapia one day, there was no attempt whatsoever at
> predation. I was bitten one day when a pacu leaped over the rest of the
> group, because I was feeding the vegetables too slowly and he got
> impatient; he was unable to let go of my finger because of the way that
his
> teeth are attached, and his teeth raked the length of my finger when I
> shook him off (three violent snaps of my hand), but the whole group
> gathered around him immediately afterwards, and it was three weeks before
> any of the fish would eat anything if it meant heading directly toward me
> while eating--they would submerge, turn to face away from me, then go
after
> the food. The wounds healed without scarring, unlike bites that I have
> received from tilapia and striped bass. Occasionally, they will "lip" me
> while I'm vacuuming, which is a bit unnerving, since their teeth are so
> close to their teeth, but it seems to just be a sign of affection.
>
> We have just acquired three pet pacu; they're extremely inquisitive and
> they mimic much of what they see from their location in the living room.
> >From the time we began talking about doing aquaponics, my older son has
> wanted pacu, but I feared their biting through heater cables; the way that
> we are heating the pond for the perch, it would be difficult for them to
> get to the wiring. We are in the process of applying for a permit for
> tilapia, and it is now tempting to find out what the permitting process
for
> pacu is in Virginia. Think I'll call Game and Inland Fisheries today!
I'm
> late--gotta go--if there's any other help I can provide, let me know.
>
> Sandy Brown
> -------------------------------
> From: "Wendy Nagurny"
> Subject: Re: Red Bellied Pacu
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:00:20 -0400
>
> Ah
er
.Erik?
> are these pacu or piranhas?
> Wendy
> ----------
> > From: Erik.Westgaard 'at' pcsmail.pcshs.com
> > Subject: Red Bellied Pacu
> > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 2:03 PM
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know where excellent sources of info on these fish are
> located?
> > Print or online are ok. I have purchased ten of these and would like
> > more detailed info than I have been able to find on the net.
> >
> > They are entertaining to watch, especially when feeding, as they strike
> > their food most aggressively.
> >
> > ERIK
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:22:57 -0500
> From: Gordon Watkins
> Subject: Re: Pacu Sources
>
> Here's a pacu souce I have, although I've never purchased from
> them.Please let me know if anyone orders from them before I do. They are
> associated with Projecto Pacu, a large pacu aquaculture facility in
> Puerto Rico:
>
> There is a US based company - Pantanal Tropical Fish - that represents
> the
> Projeto Pacu in the US. They are based in Miami and you can reach him at
> +(305)274-0450 or +(305)274-0750, speak to Gabriel or his wife Lu. This
> company deals mainly with the fish we produce for the ornamental market,
> but he probably will be able to assist you with pacu or other
> south-american freshwater fingerlings.
> You are also welcome to contact us directly at:
>
> Phone/fax:+55-67-721-1220
> prj_pacu 'at' alanet.com.br
>
> Joćo L. Campos
> Projeto Pacu
> campos 'at' douranet.com.br
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:25:44 -0500
> From: Gordon Watkins
> Subject: Re: Red Bellied Pacu
>
> Erik,
> Here's some personal correespondence I got foem the manager of Projecto
> Pacu that may be of interest. My minimal research led me to the Black
> Pacu, over the Red because of the larger size.
> Gordon
>
> > Dear Mr Watkins,
> >
> > There really is little information published on the Colossomas, most of
the
> > information I can give you is based on on-farm experience rather then
> > scientific data.
> > Pacus do grow fast, if provided with ideal temperatures, feed and water
> > quality.
> > As far as temperature they seem to prefer it around 28 Celcius, and
> > tolerate as low as 15 C (amazonic species) and around 10-12 C (Southern
> > sp). I have seen Tambaqui (Colossoma macropomum) eating very actively on
35
> > C water.
> > These fish are quite hardy, and tolerate low Diss. Oxigen and other
water
> > quality variables at least as much as tilapia.
> > In Brazil farmers use 28 to 32% protein feeds for growout in open ponds,
> > but there is some evidence that they might require less. they are also
> > quite efficient in using plant protein.
> > Farmers can, in South-Central Brazil where water temperatures drop to
15-20
> > C in the winter, grow their fish to 1,0 to 2,0 kg in a year depending on
> > stocking densities, etc. In north Brazil with constant temperatures I
have
> > seen results as good as 3,5 kg/year in commercial operations at low
> > densities in ponds (0,3 fish/m2).
> > I dont know which species of pacu would best suit you (there are more
than
> > 20) but keep in mind that they can grow over 20 kg. Meet quality is
good,
> > but the fish have a tendency to get fat in culture conditions. They also
> > have intramuscular "y"-shaped bones in the fillet.
> > In time, they will do well in intensive systems.
> >
> > If you need any more information, feel free to write me at any time.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Joćo L. Campos
> > Projeto Pacu
> > campos 'at' douranet.com.br
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:34:27 -0600
> From: Gordon Watkins
> Subject: Pacu (was Breeding tilapia)
>
> Chris,
> Have you been trying to breed Pacu, or just raise them?
> I've raised a few in my system and I'm pretty excited about them. They
> grow really fast, get BIG, and I like their taste better than tilapia. It
has
> more flavor and is buttery without being greasy
The biggest drawback is
the
> floating bones which are impossible to remove when filleting but in a big
Pacu
> they're not too objectionable.
> My vats are beneath my walkways so I don't have problems with jumping
and,
> while I've noticed some flightiness, they calm down quickly if not
disturbed
> frequently. I think Pacu have great potential as a cultured food species.
> Gordon
>
> Chris Hedemark wrote:
>
> > I have personally been trying my hand at raising Pacu as food fish.
> > Word of warning - they are extremely flighty even into their adulthood.
> > The tank must be well covered.
> >
> ------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:55:33 -0500
> From: Chris Hedemark
> Subject: Re: Pacu (was Breeding tilapia)
>
> Gordon Watkins wrote:
>
> > Have you been trying to breed Pacu, or just raise them?
>
> Just raising them. My tank is only 135 gallons (aquarium style). I
> just wanna see if they are worth the trouble. I can't exactly go buy a
> tilapia filet at the local fish market so I have to raise them up myself
> to see if they are any good.
>
> > I've raised a few in my system and I'm pretty excited about them.
They
> > grow really fast, get BIG, and I like their taste better than tilapia.
It has
> > more flavor and is buttery without being greasy
The biggest drawback
is the
> > floating bones which are impossible to remove when filleting but in a
big Pacu
> > they're not too objectionable.
>
> The fast growth and thick meaty body are the observations that got me.
> I had a half dozen of them growing out and they were all doing great.
> Then I had one extended power outage and lost all but two. :-( Since
> then I have been kind of lazy about taking care of them and while they
> are still growing, it is nowhere near as fast as before.
>
> > My vats are beneath my walkways so I don't have problems with
jumping and,
> > while I've noticed some flightiness, they calm down quickly if not
disturbed
> > frequently. I think Pacu have great potential as a cultured food
species.
>
> Oh I think they've got many desirable characteristics and as long as
> they can be contained, they have a lot of potential. Obviously you've
> gotten a bit farther than me in that you've gotten them to the dinner
> plate.
>
> By the way, when I had those six pacu, part of the experiment was to see
> how well they did in crowded conditions. I had a 20 gallon "high"
> aquarium with a Whisper 5 power filter and a 6" air diffuser. 30% water
> changes were done daily. I started them out on tiny Hikari koi pellets
> and now they are on large Koi pellets. The growth rate even in this
> tiny tank was phenomenal. They seemed bigger every day. Commmon sense
> told me that I was begging for disaster but I wanted to see how far I
> could take it. Each of the fishes got up to about 4 inches in no time.
> Then the power went out, and stayed out. Nothing I could do would keep
> the O2 level up and in a very short time one after another started
> floating. When the power came back on, two were still well and one was
> weak and succumbed within an hour of the power coming back on.
>
> After that I got really lazy about their care. I stopped the daily
> water changes. Didn't feed them on a regular schedule. Their tank
> started looking really badly really quickly. I did some shuffling
> around and moved my marine fish from a 135 to a 55 gallon tank (where
> they are doing quite well) and the pacus to the 135. Unfortunately the
> marine fish took all the filtration with them so the pacus only have a
> single Whisper 5. I'd like to get some big fat powerheads running in
> there again, and another Whisper 5 filter. Plus a couple of diffusers
> scattered throughout the tank.
>
> Now I can't go much farther than that without butting heads with the
> state. North Carolina does *not* allow Pacu for aquaculture yet. There
> is still an unwarranted phobia that these things could survive if they
> ever made it to the wild (yeah until the fall maybe). There is also the
> matter of whether or not there is a market for pacu in the U.S. If I do
> start producing pacu commercially, where do I sell them?
>
> So are you working with pacu in commercial production numbers yet or
> still experimenting? I'd like to hear more about it.
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:58:15 -0600
> From: Gordon Watkins
> Subject: Re: Pacu
>
> Unfortunately, my remaining few Pacu ( 'at' 2.5+ lbs each) were lost in my
> recent bout
> with ich and I haven't yet restocked. They're really too expensive to
purchase
> through a pet supplier, even with the deep discounts I can usually
finagle,
> but I've
> got a lead on a supplier in Miami connected with Projecto Pacu, a large
pacu
> aquaculture project in Puerto Rico. As I understand it, they sell several
> different
> Collosoma sub-species, including some which reach 20 lbs!. As soon as the
> weather
> moderates a little I plan to order a box of fingerlings. I'll keep you
posted.
>
> Gordon
> ps: Thanks for the overview of cichlid filtration methods. I use home made
> trickle
> filters on several grow-out and display tanks and find that they perform
> best and
> allow the greatest stocking densities.
>
> Chris Hedemark wrote:
>
> > So are you working with pacu in commercial production numbers yet or
> > still experimenting? I'd like to hear more about it.
>
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