Aquaponics Digest - Fri 06/08/01
Message 1: Resources - new ATTRA publications
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 2: Fwd. New Web-page resource guide on alternative crops and
enterprises for small farm diversification
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 3: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 4: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 5: RE: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
from "Carol Stone"
Message 6: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 7: RE: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
from "billevans"
Message 8: RE: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
from "billevans"
Message 9: off and on
from Jim Joyner
Message 10: Re: off and on
from "KenHale"
Message 11: Vertical axis windmills, etc.
from "TGTX"
Message 12: Your strawberries
from "Jay Myers"
Message 13: Re: New addition to list
from "Devon Williams"
Message 14: Re: New addition to list
from "Devon Williams"
Message 15: Re: OT: New addition to list
from "Devon Williams"
Message 16: Re: New addition to list
from "Devon Williams"
Message 17: Re: Photos
from "Devon Williams"
Message 18: Re: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 19: Re: New addition to list
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Resources - new ATTRA publications
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:10:24 -0500
An Overview of Organic Crop Production [HTML]
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/organiccrop.html
Organic Certification Organizations and Programs [HTML]
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/orgcert.html
National Organic Program (NOP) Final Rule [HTML]
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/nop.html
Organic Livestock Feed Suppliers [HTML]
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/livestockfeed.html
Manures for Organic Crop Production [HTML]
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/manures.html
| Message 2
Subject: Fwd. New Web-page resource guide on alternative crops and
enterprises for small farm diversification
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:11:02 -0500
>From: Mary Gold
>
>The Alternative Farming Systems Information Center (AFSIC) at the National
>Agricultural Library has recently made available a web-based information
>resource, "List of Alternative Crops & Enterprises for Small Farm
>Diversification." http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/AFSIC_pubs/altlist.htm
>
>Farmers and farm advisors can use the lengthy compilation to identify
>alternative crops, unusual livestock, and innovative farming enterprises. In
>addition to the list, the site provides links to online documents,
>organizations, databases, and other websites that can help farmers assess
>and implement alternatives in their farming operations.
>
>There is also a print version available. Contact the AFSIC office for a
>complementary copy.
>
>Comments and suggestions regarding the site are always welcome.
>
>Mary V. Gold
>Alternative Farming Systems Information Center
>National Agricultural Library, ARS, USDA
>10301 Baltimore Ave., Room 304
>Beltsville MD 20705-2351
>phone: 301-504-6559
>fax: 301-504-6409
>e-mail: mgold 'at' nal.usda.gov
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:17:59 EDT
In a message dated 6/8/01 12:08:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< I bet on Feb 3rd, my birthday
Ted >>
**************************************************************
Isn't that the day after groundhog day ?
I bet one day earlier, February 2.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:32:14 EDT
In a message dated 6/8/01 12:08:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 23:19:44 -0500
>
>Greetings -
>
>Some folks have asked to see pic's of my greenhouse, so I have added a
>section to my site. You can go there directly by:
>http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/
>
>Enjoy at will.
>
>Jay Myers
>Panama City Beach, Fl.>>
******************************************************************************
*********
Jay,
Very nice photographs !!
What is the name of the lettuce in your lake ?
Where can I get more information on the vertical system you
used for the strawberries ? It appears to be working well.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Aquaponics Digest - Thu 06/07/01
From: "Carol Stone"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:26:26 -0400
> Jay,
> Very nice photographs !!
> What is the name of the lettuce in your lake ?
> Where can I get more information on the vertical system you
> used for the strawberries ? It appears to be working well.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
It looks like he's using the vertical gardening system from
www.vertigro.com. I've purchased from them before and been very happy with
them as a company.
They're busy upgrading their website right now so you might have a strange
experience with them (I just ordered something from them and wrestling with
their mid-upgrade was a bit tricky). But they're good with technical
assistance and customer service, so don't let their present internet
difficulties put you off.
-carol
| Message 6
Subject: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:15:06 -0500
Hi Folks,
I am in the middle of a swimming hole experiment. We have a 25,000
gallon lined pond that we plan to filter through a constructed
wetland. What does this have to do with aquaponics? We are hoping to
learn enough from our first constructed wetland and swimming hole
project to use the same techniques for some recirculating fish
ponds.
We assume the rain will stop long enough for us to do some earth
moving sometime soon(*sigh*). In the meantime, we are hoping to
prevent the swimming hole from becoming a stagnant, stinking pit of
green slime. It is currently full of gazillions of little tadpoles
that appear to be performing this continuous function:
tadpoles + greenwater =
bigger tadpoles + excrement =
more greenwater.
We are not looking for "swimming pool quality" crystal clear water and
are not opposed to sharing the swimming pool with the tadpoles , but
the algae and excrement are increasing even as I write. I expect it
will be several weeks before the constructed wetland is operational.
If you have any suggestions for *temporary* filtering (or settling
tank) methods, please blast away!
Here is what I have to work with:
A pump capable of moving 12,000 gal per hour.
Quite a bit of extra flexible pond liner.
Pool vacuum head and with flexible hose that can attach to pump.
Straw bales.
fine denier filter fabric capable of catching 60% of the vacuumed
excrement,
(the other 40% becomes tiny suspended particles from the pump action)
Thanks in advance, I hoping that several of you won't be able to
resist sending your opinions this way.
Carolyn Hoagland
| Message 7
Subject: RE: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
From: "billevans"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:31:29 -0700
gypsum can help to flocculate suspended solids.
The Use of Agricultural Limestone and Gypsum in Ponds
>>http://aquanic.org/publicat/state/ky/liming.htm
--
| Message 8
Subject: RE: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
From: "billevans"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:34:13 -0700
and this from Missouri Dept of Conservation>>
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/manag/clearpon/
gypsum can help to flocculate suspended solids.
The Use of Agricultural Limestone and Gypsum in Ponds
>>http://aquanic.org/publicat/state/ky/liming.htm
--
| Message 9
Subject: off and on
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:10:42 -0500
In a system such as the Speraneo's, would it advisable, or even safely
possible, to turn the pumping system off at night (back on at daylight)?
Thanks,
Jim Joyner
| Message 10
Subject: Re: off and on
From: "KenHale"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:25:09 -0500
Depends on your oxygen source for the fish.-Ken Hale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Joyner"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: off and on
> In a system such as the Speraneo's, would it advisable, or even safely
> possible, to turn the pumping system off at night (back on at daylight)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Joyner
>
| Message 11
Subject: Vertical axis windmills, etc.
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:19:22 -0500
Some years back on this list, I was yammering on about the Pierson vertical
axis windmill design equipped with "stators" to funnel wind into the turbine
and create electricity at fairly low wind speeds.
I said:
"Richard Pierson wrote a book back in 1978 which I kept a copy of. It is
entitled "Build-It Yourself Natural Energy Sources: Solar, Wind & Water
Power Made Easy"
.Chapter 10 of that book describes in great detail how to
build the Vertical-Shaft Pierson Wind Turbine
it is basically a modified
S-rotor system with aluminum or galvanized sheet metal scoops or
half-cylinders as rotors, but it ALSO has these neat stationary vectoring
vanes to scoop up even more wind into the rotor. These are really just fixed
walls pointing at a tangent to the rotor buckets. He calls these fixed walls
stator vanes, or just stators
That is the best part of this design, I
think because it allows the configuration to begin putting out power in 5
MPH winds or below, depending on the length of the stator (wall) from the
vertical shaft out to the end of the stator. You have to rig up a generator
and some gears, and for high winds you might have to figure out how to shut
it down or rig up a governor, but it looks do-able for a tinkerer like
myself
. "
Here's some more info on vertical axis wind turbines/mills.
http://www.greenwindmill.com/
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/green.htm
http://www.windmillworld.com/links/verticalaxis.htm
http://www.southcom.com.au/~windmill/
http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/green.htm
Think greenhouse pumps and fan power, and heat, and chillers, etc.
Ted
| Message 12
Subject: Your strawberries
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 07:37:46 -0500
The plants you have may be fine for next winter. Ours grow a lot of runners
and growth in the summer, but we cut them back and they do OK. Just have to
keep the bugs and fungus problems out.
Did you get your system from Tim Carpenter? I note his web site is down.
How big is it ?
Jay
| Message 13
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:35:44 -0400
Ted, Thanks for your well wishes. I think the pool might be a little
difficult, cuz there won't be much "surprise" with the birth as my wife
was/is a prime c-section candidate, and with the last birth 4.5 years ago,
we actually prepared a bagel-cream cheese, fruit and mimosa breakfast for
those friends and family members who were able to/interested in coming to
the hospital first thing in the morning. That's one of the perks of having
a planned birth!
Although, I could just keep my mouth shut about when the Dr. schedules the
delivery, and you guys can duke it out for when it will happen!!! The due
date actually is February 3
.interesting!
Devon
>From: "TGTX"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: New addition to list
>Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:24:57 -0500
>
>Devon,
>
>Congratulations!!!
God Bless You and Yours
.!!
>
>Now, here's the deal, folks, what we have to do is start a pool to bet on
>the delivery date
.the winner
uh
wins. This could be the first
>Internet Aquaponics Lamaze Class in History
Breath, Devon,
>Breath
It'll be allright.>
>I bet on Feb 3rd, my birthday
>
>Ted
>("Aquarius Aquaponicus"
born 8lbs, 9oz , Dallas, TX, Feb 3, 1957 4:29
>AM
>
early riser
.first word by baby Tedster?
"Light!!!!"
)
>
> > Hi everyone, I just wanted to send a note to the aquaponics family
> > announcing my latest off-list happenings.
> > My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second child!!!
>He/she
> > is due the end of January 2002!
> > Just wanted to share.
> > Devon Williams
>
>Yeah!!!
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:39:57 -0400
Here's a detail that some of the ladies on the list might sweat
.My niece
was a whopping 11lbs., 2oz. when she was born!!!!!!! AND, she was three
weeks premature!!!!! The funniest thing is that she had to be in the
neonatal ICU for a few days, and seeing her ENORMOUS body next to the
premies and super-premies (like a pound or two) was pretty unbelievable.
Oh, her brother was 10lbs. 12oz.!!!! Sheesh!
Devon
>From: "TGTX"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: New addition to list
>Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:37:49 -0500
>
> > Ted
> > ("Aquarius Aquaponicus"
born 8lbs, 9oz , Dallas, TX, Feb 3, 1957 4:29
> > AM
> >
early riser
.first word by baby
>Tedster?
"Light!!!!"
)
>
>Sorry, that was 8 lbs, 12 oz
.you gotta sweat the details
>sometimes
.but
>who's counting?
>
>
>
| Message 15
Subject: Re: OT: New addition to list
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:43:20 -0400
Thanks Corey. We just got back in town from my son's Great-Grandmother's
house (81 year old woman who WILL out live us all!!!)
.talk about spoiled
rotten
.it's gonna take months to retrain him back to the near Amish (in
comparison) surroundings he is used to!!! ;-)
Devon
>From: Corey Cassel
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: OT: New addition to list
>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:37:47 -0500
>
>Congrats Devon!
>
> I'm expecting my first grandbaby in mid-November, we've already
>started on our "spoil the child completely rotten" program.
>
>Corey
>
>Devon Williams wrote:
>
>>Hi everyone, I just wanted to send a note to the aquaponics family
>>announcing my latest off-list happenings.
>>
>>My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second child!!!
>>He/she is due the end of January 2002!
>>
>>Just wanted to share.
>>
>>Devon Williams
>>Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
>>Watkinsville, GA
>
>
| Message 16
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:47:37 -0400
You know Adriana, I have ALWAYS thought that pregnant women were beautiful,
even before I HAD to think so!!! ;-)
Devon
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: New addition to list
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:57:33 -0500
>
>Devon,
>
>You can add these kind words . When I was as big as a house, just
>about to enter the "beached whale" state with my first child, when an
>older man I met took a look at me and quietly said "A pregnant woman
>is in a special state of grace with God". It was said in such a
>reverent fashion that I still appreciate the comment 16 years later.
>
>Adriana
>
> > Thanks Adriana, but I don't believe I'll be passing your comment on
>to my
> > wife, as I enjoy my head attached to my neck!! ;->
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Photos
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:52:41 -0400
I agree with Jay on the eyepiece thing, but I would still recommend the Sony
Mavica for it's ease of use and relatively low price. Depending on the
model that you buy, you can get an viewfinder, but the lower cost ones only
have the LCD display on back.
The nicest thing about the Mavica is that is takes JPEG images and stores
them on your run of the mill 3.5 inch floppy disks! This is great for
transferring files, and they are in a universal format that is easily
emailed without bogging down the connection!
Devon
>From: "Jay Myers"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Photos
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:59:22 -0500
>
> > What camera are you using? It's a Sony.
>
> I'm thinking of buying a digital camera but
> > A. want it to be easy to use
> > B. want it to be as cheap as possible but still give fairly decent
> > photos
>
>My biggest suggestion is to get one you put up to your eye. Ours has a
>screen on the back, so we have to hold it away from our faces, and in any
>kind of bright light it can't be seen.
>
>Ours was fairly expensive, but I can focus on a gnats hemoroid. (Really
>close) I've found that usefull because I've taken pictures of plant
>problems, e-mailed them to plant Docs, and been fixing the problem within
>hours.
>
>Jay
>
>
| Message 18
Subject: Re: How to floculate and filter aquatic excrement
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:35:41 -0700
Well Carolyn.
Hope is there for you
. tell us a bit more about the aggregates you can
get in your neck of the woods, like 1/4 inch gravel, limestone, marl,
riverstones
.???
I did the same as you described many a time and I think (know rather
)
that the water quality you will get if you do it right will exceed BY
FAR what you seem to expect here.
I am at this late hour of the night coming in from an installation I did
using growbeds at sea, and to me it is still an inspiration everytime I
open their stinking septic tanks, and then progressively open my aerobic
tanks, and then gravel filters, and then biofilters and growbeds
. with
NOT a smell and CRYSTAL clear water
I stood in the moonlight tonight
and could see 18 inches into the growbeds
. I could see the snails
crawling around and all
Pity the humans dealing with my system cant be as smart as the smart
bacteria doing all the work!! :< They caused a pump ground fault
( no
Ted it wasnt you
.lol)
What type of aquatic excrement are you talking about?? Makes it sound
yucky but still cant be as bad as the real thing!!
Do you have land moving equipment? Hand shovels labour?
Do U have a workable idea of what layout you want to use in terms of
landscape considerations?
Do you want to grow a "crop" of something for use?
Do you have duckweed where you are from?
Are you allowed to use water hyacinths where you are?
Youll get all the help you need right here
. Ure in the right
place
.:) Most of all
.you WILL get that water clean provided it isnt
some serious gunk running in it
.take it from me
. Im just an hoiur
away since writing seeing living proof!!
Dream of swimming in CLEAR water!! It can be done
Regards.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Carolyn Hoagland wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am in the middle of a swimming hole experiment. We have a 25,000
> gallon lined pond that we plan to filter through a constructed
> wetland. What does this have to do with aquaponics? We are hoping to
> learn enough from our first constructed wetland and swimming hole
> project to use the same techniques for some recirculating fish
> ponds.>
> We assume the rain will stop long enough for us to do some earth
> moving sometime soon(*sigh*). In the meantime, we are hoping to
> prevent the swimming hole from becoming a stagnant, stinking pit of
> green slime. It is currently full of gazillions of little tadpoles
> that appear to be performing this continuous function:
> tadpoles + greenwater =
> bigger tadpoles + excrement =
> more greenwater.
>
> We are not looking for "swimming pool quality" crystal clear water and
> are not opposed to sharing the swimming pool with the tadpoles , but
> the algae and excrement are increasing even as I write. I expect it
> will be several weeks before the constructed wetland is operational.
>
> If you have any suggestions for *temporary* filtering (or settling
> tank) methods, please blast away!
>
> Here is what I have to work with:
>
> A pump capable of moving 12,000 gal per hour.
> Quite a bit of extra flexible pond liner.
> Pool vacuum head and with flexible hose that can attach to pump.
> Straw bales.
> fine denier filter fabric capable of catching 60% of the vacuumed
> excrement,
> (the other 40% becomes tiny suspended particles from the pump action)
>
> Thanks in advance, I hoping that several of you won't be able to
> resist sending your opinions this way.
>
> Carolyn Hoagland
| Message 19
Subject: Re: New addition to list
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 23:41:53 -0700
Ted wrote
.:
> > > Ted
> > > ("Aquarius Aquaponicus"
born 8lbs, 9oz , Dallas, TX, Feb 3, 1957 4:29 AM
> > >
early riser
.first word by baby
> >Tedster?
"Light!!!!"
)
> >
> >Sorry, that was 8 lbs, 12 oz
.you gotta sweat the details
> >sometimes
.but
> >who's counting?
> >
> >
Well Ted
. I was counting
. I was just about claculating your FCR
(food conversion ratio) when you gave those prime morsels for details
I think your doing just fine
.!! :) Take it easy man
. just not too
much on the Texan spam and keep on eating aquaponic veggies and every
likkle ting gonna be alright
:) heehehehe
Peace
Mikey Bee
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