Aquaponics Digest - Mon 06/11/01
Message 1: Re: OT Polytank bath
from "Arlos"
Message 2: pacu
from "Sandy S. Brown"
Message 3: Re: pacu
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 4: OT: Viable Grass Carp
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 5: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/09/01
from Jim Joyner
Message 6: Re: off and on
from "KenHale"
Message 7: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/09/01
from "Arlos"
Message 8: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 9: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 10: Re: Gold fish - Koi
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 11: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 12: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: Re: BREAST CANCER
from "Frank Stancato"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: OT Polytank bath
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:27:27 -0700
Yes you can repair poly tanks. Check with your supplier for the name of the
manufacture and then request info on the base resin. Tell them you want to
repair it. they may send rod to you for this or someone who sells the
stuff. Its available in rolls or individual sticks 1/8, 3/16" diameter.The
simplest but not the best is to invest in a hot air gun or you could modify
an off the shelf heat gun to do the job. You use a stream of hot air between
325-400 F Depending on base resin and density (a digital thermometer that
reads to 1000F is a must to check and adjust your temp) You can get hot air
to ignite paper and conversely burn your plastic, use caution. All in one
pass, the base material and a bead is laid down that will give you at least
an 80% weld. The best tool, especially if you were to fabricate day in and
day out would be to invest in an extrusion welder which produces a large e
semi liquid hot bead of plastic to bold joints and preheat in one pass with
nearly 100% penetration. a great tool for fabrication of poly and PVC tanks,
tables, raceways, space framing.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: TGTX
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT Polytank bath
>
>>forgot to ask
is there anyway you can repair the tank that got busted??
>
>Ya, it's O.K.,, I think
I'll have to take the truck and tow the parts
>back to the site, and do some fiberglas repair, but I THINK it is all
>salvagable
thanks for asking
will report when the time is full
>
>> Man
never knew a lil water could be so refreshing
. bbbrrr
>
>I was told that the Essenes at Quoram(sp) would ritually bathe in cold
>water
.refreshing all things.>
>
>
>
| Message 2
Subject: pacu
From: "Sandy S. Brown"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:35:35 -0400
Hi, gang (especially Steve Spring, since you hailed me directly).
Adriana wrote
I believe Wendy Ngurny (?) who used to participate on this list
regularly had and loved Pacu in her University research tanks
somewhere in Virginia.
I think Wendy may have had pacu, too, but that was me with my Pacu Babies
at Virginia Tech. I say "was", because a lot has happened recently.
My fibromyalgia got a lot worse late last fall, the job situation got a LOT
worse, and I crashed and spent over a month during the winter hovering on
the verge of pneumonia. In a desperate attempt to clear out my lungs, my
medical team put me on a high dosage of guaifenesin (an expectorant). The
guaif, as it has for some other people, had a very positive effect on my
fibro. There I was, coughing my head off (still working, of course) but
feeling comparatively great, when I wasn't actively in a coughing fit. The
pacu were delighted! (Change in the color of my aura? Gleam in my eye? Lilt
in my hoarse voice?) Who knows what they saw, but they saw it clearly.
Then, I had one major head-butting too many with the boss, and "the time
has come," the walrus said. The guaifenesin gave me the strength I needed
to overcome the inertia and, four weeks to the day after the altercation, I
started a new job on campus. It's a promotion, a raise, and an incredible
improvement in physical, mental, emotional, and professional aspects. I'm
now in the Enology & Grape Chemistry Lab in the Department of Food Science
& Technology, doing research and extension work on wines. I even get to eat
my lunch (lunch--what a concept!) next door, in the Horticulture Gardens.
I was very ready to be leaving Aquatic Medicine, with one exception--the
pacu. I made sure that I was out of eye- and ear-shot before I started
sobbing that last day, but they had been acting disturbed for several days
already. So far (two months), I've refrained from going over to check on
them, because I'm afraid of what I might find. People have told me for
years that I would have to take them with me if I left, because everyone
else was afraid of them. Since there were over a dozen, though, each 15-18
inches long, maybe more, there was no way I could negotiate for them to be
released to my custody. I guess I need to check on them now, so that I can
report to the list.
What with everything that's been happening, I've gotten very behind on
e-mail, and I've kept myself away from the computer, so that I wouldn't get
tied up with it: I've got to get up for work in less than four hours, and
here I am. I knew I shouldn't check mail one more time, and I knew I
shouldn't glance through the list digest, which had arrived right on
schedule
I'll try to get caught up on my reading of the pacu discussion, unless
someone wants to fill me in on the salient details, and figure out what I
need to be adding.
Later
zzzzzzzzz
Sandy
| Message 3
Subject: Re: pacu
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:02:54 -0700
You Goooooooooooo girl!!
Keep up the fight and chin up!!
Sometimes we humans forget we have a spiritual dimension
. I wasnt
joking when I said the fish can notice when we arent ourselves
. I dont
know if its the angle we throw the feed in or the speed or what
. :>
Glad to know the vibes are better at the new place.
Sending up a few prayers for ya
.so you do the rest and kick grape
must!!
Hehehehe.
Take care sis
Mike
JAMAICA.
(Bet ya didnt even know you had a brother in Jamaica
.:> rofl
.)
Sandy S. Brown wrote:
>
> My fibromyalgia got a lot worse late last fall, the job situation got a LOT
> worse, and I crashed and spent over a month during the winter hovering on
> the verge of pneumonia. In a desperate attempt to clear out my lungs, my
> medical team put me on a high dosage of guaifenesin (an expectorant).
| Message 4
Subject: OT: Viable Grass Carp
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:12:06 -0700
I am interested in getting some viable grass carp broodstock for a
client, and know that some listmembers may have same. These are for use
here in Jamaica, that is outside of the USA. I DO NOT need triploid
carp. Initially I will need about 5 breeder pairs.
Serious offers can be sent directly to me.
Thanks in advance.
Mike.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/09/01
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:09:26 -0500
Thanks David, You gave me some good ideas.
As you suggest, the main thing is to make sure fish have sufficient oxygen.
This must mean, too, that not running water through beds at night will not
harm plants. And I like the idea that a faulty switch or float, or clogged
drained isn't going to destroy everything in the night.
There were two things I was interested in: one, lowering cost of
electricity, of course; the other to keep heat in fish tank at night while
allowing the temperature to lower in beds.
Thanks again
Jim
At 07:32 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Jim, In the Aquaponic system desing manual available from the Freshwater
>Institute,(West Virginia) they operate the pumps to the gravel beds only
>durring the day time. However, they use air pumps for airation 24 hrs a day.
>I would suggest that as long as provision is made for airation that the
>on-off thing would work. Prehaps providing a bypass with a shower effect on
>the main pump that would be activated durring the night, and placing the
>pump on a timer for the night would do the trick. Maybe this would keep the
>water warmer in the winter also?? Just a thought.>
>David
>
>
>From: "Jim Joyner"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:10 PM
> >Subject: off and on
> >
> >
> > > In a system such as the Speraneo's, would it advisable, or even safely
> > > possible, to turn the pumping system off at night (back on at daylight)?
>
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim Joyner
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 6
Subject: Re: off and on
From: "KenHale"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:20:12 -0500
Jim- your fish must have oxygen to live- the return water falling in the
tank is the only oxygen supply that some people have in their systems. Also
since there is some oxygen production from the sun- at night that is absent
and the fish use up all that is stored in the water. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Joyner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: off and on
> Ken,
>
> Uh . . . I'm new at this. Would you explain what you mean?
>
> Would the roots of the plants dry out? Wouldn't the fish be less active
and
> require less oxygen? Has anyone tried this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
> At 04:25 PM 6/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >Depends on your oxygen source for the fish.-Ken Hale
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim Joyner"
> >To:
> >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:10 PM
> >Subject: off and on
> >
> >
> > > In a system such as the Speraneo's, would it advisable, or even safely
> > > possible, to turn the pumping system off at night (back on at
daylight)?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim Joyner
> > >
>
>
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/09/01
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:07:35 -0700
Jim,
Your fishing stocking density is going to dictate what the water quality
need are. If densities are high and shutting off what amounts to their water
treatment and life support, water quality can drop and stressed fish are no
fun. You could check their DO over a period without equipment running to
determine if at all exactly how long equipment could stay off. Depending on
the complexity of your system (a single tank) you could do a night time
exchange through a bed of zeolite to remove ammonia but that again requires
some energy consumption.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Joyner
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/09/01
>Thanks David, You gave me some good ideas.
>
>As you suggest, the main thing is to make sure fish have sufficient oxygen.
>This must mean, too, that not running water through beds at night will not
>harm plants. And I like the idea that a faulty switch or float, or clogged
>drained isn't going to destroy everything in the night.
>
>There were two things I was interested in: one, lowering cost of
>electricity, of course; the other to keep heat in fish tank at night while
>allowing the temperature to lower in beds.
>
>Thanks again
>
>Jim
>
>
>At 07:32 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Jim, In the Aquaponic system desing manual available from the Freshwater
>>Institute,(West Virginia) they operate the pumps to the gravel beds only
>>durring the day time. However, they use air pumps for airation 24 hrs a
day.
>>I would suggest that as long as provision is made for airation that the
>>on-off thing would work. Prehaps providing a bypass with a shower effect
on
>>the main pump that would be activated durring the night, and placing the
>>pump on a timer for the night would do the trick. Maybe this would keep
the
>>water warmer in the winter also?? Just a thought.>>
>>David
>>
>>
>>From: "Jim Joyner"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 4:10 PM
>> >Subject: off and on
>> >
>> >
>> > > In a system such as the Speraneo's, would it advisable, or even
safely
>> > > possible, to turn the pumping system off at night (back on at
daylight)?
>>
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Jim Joyner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:47:47 -0500 (CDT)
Mike Grass carp breeding requires 2 or more males for every spawning
female and you don't need many of the gals because they get very big
5ft. and broadcast zillions of eggs. Just so you know with these fish a
little dab will do ya.
Bruce
| Message 9
Subject: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:06:40 -0700
Thanks Bruce. I appreciate it. No more gushes, swooshes, gurgles, pours,
or swoshes. From now on Ill be doing "dabs". Bruce you said something
about owning a ornamental hatchery once?
I have been trying to get some info on neat ways to collect eggs or fry
from brood tanks. Can you share anything on egg collection or fry
collection?
Thanks.
Mike
dabbing it along
:>
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mike Grass carp breeding requires 2 or more males for every spawning
> female and you don't need many of the gals because they get very big
> 5ft. and broadcast zillions of eggs. Just so you know with these fish a
> little dab will do ya.
> Bruce
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:54:15 -0700
thanks Steve
I called and they faxed me an 11 page price sheet. The catch is they sell only pet stores and
garden centers, not a problem I have connections there. The real problem is they have a $500
minimum order. (fish rabbits snakes etc.)
Chris
>From: "Steven Medlock"
>To:
>SUBJECTDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:27:11 -0500
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
>
>
>> Just got a flyer in the Greenhouse Producer News yesterday
>> that has an ad for Koi (4" for $.95, 50 min). Haven't
>> checked koi prices lately so don't know how that compares
>> and we've never ordered from them before. They also list
>> pond plants and will do a weekly fax of specials.
>>
>> Animals Etc., Inc.
>> 551 Rt 130 S
>> Burlington, NJ 08016
>> 1-800-631-PETS
>> 1-800-650-PETS (Fax)
>>
>> Marcy Nameth
>>
>> Chris Jeppesen wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone know a (cheap) source for gold fish or koi.
>> >
>> I have done a search aroung the internet and St. Louis erea, I have foud
>that 2 to 2.50 is normal for the non show quality fish. I am in contact
>with a local pet store that is selling quit a few small, 4 inches for five
>and six dollars a piece to local water garden owners. There looks to be a
>market around here.
>Steve
| Message 11
Subject: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:12:24 -0500 (CDT)
Ok Mike But what kind of fish? I ask this because while you can go
by families in general all types behave quite differently while spawning
and many have varied triggers to cause them to spawn .For instance gold
fish,koi,any carp need to have a winter chill to even come into spawning
condition. They scatter their eggs all over the place and then eat as
many as they can find. After all didn't they just make room . So you
either remove the fish and hatch the eggs or float a bunch of mops at
the water surface for the breeders to spawn on and remove the egg laden
spawning mops before they are picked clean .About the mops think of mops
made out of yarn hanging from Styrofoam blocks and you should have the
idea. So what kind of fish do you want to know about?
Bruce
| Message 12
Subject: Re: OT: Viable Grass Carp
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:01:58 -0700
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Ok Mike So what kind of fish do you want to know about?
> Bruce
Its good old tilapia Bruce.
I was thinking of setting up the system as follows
Polytanks with 5-7
females to a male, with flower pot saucer on the bottoms for nest.
(UNclear area) I flow from these tanks into a yet to be defined lower
"fry catchment tank" (???), and out to a solids seperator of sorts and
then to the biofilter and then to the growbeds.
The water would then be recirculated into the brood tanks after passing
through a UV filter.
What is unclear is, I could also opt to just grow the fish in the hapa
method in the 5-6 foot wide polytanks, but I am afraid that too much
poop would accumulate in the nets. After 5-7 day I would need to have an
excess tank(s) free to now move the broodparents into.I could then
selectively remove fry from the hapa into my smaller containers.
You see if I go one way, it means knowing how to drain the solids from
the tank without making scrambled fry and getting fry and poop
seperated, :> and the other means added expense making up a lot of nets
and hapas.
I would like to go a middle route between "old school" and new way!!?
Am I making much ado about nothing
. anyone?
Thanks guys.
Good to know you made it back safely Arlos! We'd like to see pictures!!
Thanks all,
Mike.
| Message 13
Subject: Re: BREAST CANCER
From: "Frank Stancato"
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:10:24 -0700
My apologies to everyone on the list for the last post. I let my wife send
some emails yesterday and I was not watching her, she obviously has not
gotten the hang of it yet
Again I apologize and will watch her closer in the future.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: BREAST CANCER
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