Aquaponics Digest - Fri 06/15/01
Message 1: TILAPIA AND BREAM
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 2: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 3: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
from Donald Bailey
Message 4: unsubscribe
from "Paul F. Beglane"
Message 5: finding tilapia breeders
from "Rita Pensmith"
Message 6: Re: finding tilapia breeders
from "KenHale"
Message 7: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
from "Arlos"
Message 8: Re: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
from Troa9 'at' aol.com
Message 9: Square watermelons?
from Mark Hooper
Message 10: Re: Square watermelons?
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 11: Re: Square watermelons?
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 12: Re: Square watermelons?
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 13: Re: Unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 14: Re: Square watermelons?
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 15: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 16: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 17: Re: finding tilapia breeders
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 18: Koi
from "STEVE SPRING"
| Message 1
Subject: TILAPIA AND BREAM
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:21:06 +0200
Hi Steve
In South Africa, Zimbabwe and Zambia "Tilapia" are known as Bream. (Not too
sure further North than that) They are endemic to the warm waters of the
Zambezi River and her tributaries and the largest natural population is
Mossambicus (Sp). In the last ten years, if my fishing memory serves,
Niloticus made an appearance on the scene- not sure why but most likely
artificially introduced from the Rift Valley rivers and lakes further North.
In our part of the world it would make sense to market Tilapia as Bream:
most people would recognise what they are eating. Europeans in the late part
of the century probably noted the family Sparidae resemblance and mistook
the perciformes for Actinopterygii: a mistake not easily corrected once the
term is in common parlance. To confound matters South Africa has mostly Carp
in the river systems and these are known as Carp: when we all know they
should be called Bream.
Personally, I would be happy to call my fish anything they like if they
would make an effort to regain their appetite: I will contemplate a genus
for the names I am calling them at the moment.
Regards
Margi Gibbison
| Message 2
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:12:22 +0200
Hi Bruce
Tilapia occur in the North of South Africa in warm river systems. The
breeder I am in contact with "farms" Mossambicus there once or twice a year
and transports them inland in plastic tanks: he runs a very successful
Aquarium so I take his word for it when he tells me that his mortality rate
is high for no other reason than Tilapia are habitat responsive and suffer
stress unduly. He has a better success rate when he drug "stuns" them, but
the cost of the imported Phe
.noloxin(sp) (something or other) is
prohibitive. He is successfully breeding small quantities at a dam on the
other (warm) side of Pretoria to us. He has done this for a few years now
and is investigating breeding Niloticus.
I have seen Niloticus at "Bream Farms" in Zimbabwe and fishing reputation
has it that this is a hardier fish. We started with Mossambicus fingerlings
(introduced artificially) from the golf course dam because the mortality
rate on the purchased stock was so high: and they could not meet a quantity
of 1000 fingerlings. We are lucky if we have 500-600 at the moment. The darn
things wont keep still for us to count them. It says a lot for the brain
power behind this venture that no-one thought to weigh them! The owner of
the "Bream Farm" in Zimbabwe has advised me not to transport the breeding
stock ordered from his at this time of year (mid-winter): just as well- the
import permits are a nightmare, having to be done here and in Zimbabwe.
Ironically ( ref Steve's note) I was having to explain the difference
between Tilapia and Bream to the bureaucracy: I needed Steve there when the
first step was to explain that fish are not all the same and that a clever
fish was not the same as genus. Living in cities means that a lot of people
have never seen a fish other than in books (and those are in very short
supply generally).
The research facilities at Universities in Cape Town (2.5 hours flying time)
and Grahamstown, I believe, experiment with Tilapia but have, as yet, not
provided enough information to know exactly what their aims are. I have been
contacted by quite a few people since "debuting" on this website but no-one
with a going concern, although I believe there is one commercial setup in
the Eastern Cape: really out of the way for us.
These are our fishy options right now: hence setting up a hatchery at home.
Avidly read your viable Tilapia methods and I am calling my first grandchild
Attra.
Best Regards and thank you for your interest,
Margi Gibbison
I'll sneak a little "off topic" in here where no-one will notice: you sound
like a fish maniac so will love Tiger fish.We had American friends (big on
freshwater fishing )out to the Zambezi a while back and they tell us that
there is no equivalent fighting fish in your river systems. (We have long
practised "catch and release" when fishing and in the last few years tag
Tiger fish for future identification). They are magnificent- golden orange
with black stripes that glitter in the sunlight when they jump. They take a
while to bring in and you'll need to be a fairly skilful fisherman to do
so, especially with the light tackle we use: a trophy fish would be about
19lbs. The scavenge anything but we use small tilapia as bait: cut the Tiger
open and you will see it takes the "Bream" head first in one swallow. A few
years back my son was trying to remove a hook before returning the fish to
the water. It back flipped and took a huge chunk out of his thigh on the way
down, razor sharp teeth slashing all the way. Four hour journey to
civilisation to get him a Tetanus jab- he's a lot more careful these days.
Tiger fish live for very short times in Aquariums: no long term success at
breeding them in captivity
.there's a challenge you will enjoy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
> Margi
> What kinds of bream(Tilapia) are available to you?
>
> Arlos Can you please give me a good description of the aeration tower?
> Is it like a water fall inclosed in a wider pipe to keep the water
> off of the floor?
> Bruce
>
| Message 3
Subject: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
From: Donald Bailey
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:35:03 -0400
A final announcement about the UVI "Aquaponics and Tilapia Aquaculture
Short Course" Start date is June 24. We have 18 students coming. Four
more places are open to last minute decision makers. It is another
international group: Canada, USA, Columbia, France (Martinique), Ghana
and England.
http://rps.uvi.edu/AES/Aquaculture/UVIShortCourse.html
We are preparing the field for activities. Planted in the aquaponic
system is zucchini squash, cucumbers, strawberries, hot West Indian
peppers, collards, basil, bok choi, cantaloupe, watermelon and lettuce.
Red tilapia are breeding and we will be collecting their eggs and fry.
1-gram nile tilapia were stocked into the recirculating nursery
yesterday (8,000) and we will sample their growth. 50 gram nile tilapia
will be harvested from the greenwater nursery system and 4,000 will be
stocked into a 55,000 gallon greenwater system.
There will be plenty of other things to see and do. If you can't make
it you can keep pace with our progress with our daily update of photos.
To see the schedule and last year's pics visit the web site
http://rps.uvi.edu/AES/Aquaculture/UVIShortCourse.html
--
Donald S. Bailey
University of the Virgin Islands
Agriculture Experiment Station
Aquaculture Program
340-692-4038 - phone
340-692-4035 - fax
Visit our site at http://rps.uvi.edu/
| Message 4
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "Paul F. Beglane"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:22:23 -0700 (PDT)
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| Message 5
Subject: finding tilapia breeders
From: "Rita Pensmith"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:38:02 -0500
Hi Everyone,
I'm new at all of this and am very interested in learning more. I'm been
lurking for some time and you all are a wealth of information. Two
questions to start with. I've done some research on the web and was
wondering what sites would you recommend that has the most comprehensive
information that I can read before I bother you with silly questions?
Second, where can I buy a breeder pair of tilapia, in or near Texas.
Thanks,
Rita
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| Message 6
Subject: Re: finding tilapia breeders
From: "KenHale"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:43:16 -0500
Where in Texas do you live ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Pensmith"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: finding tilapia breeders
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm new at all of this and am very interested in learning more. I'm been
> lurking for some time and you all are a wealth of information. Two
> questions to start with. I've done some research on the web and was
> wondering what sites would you recommend that has the most comprehensive
> information that I can read before I bother you with silly questions?
> Second, where can I buy a breeder pair of tilapia, in or near Texas.
>
> Thanks,
> Rita
>
> <")))><
> ><(((">
>
>
>
| Message 7
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
From: "Arlos"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:04:02 -0700
Judith,
I really need to read email more carefully. Any info on abalone farming,
I'd be happy to pass along.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith M. Bailey
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
>Dear Arlos I am interested in info on raising Abalone. Can you give me any
? Or
>where I can go to get info? Thanks Judy Bailey
>
>Arlos wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> If you are getting the correct DO per kW for the system design and
the
>> system works, it should be fine. I think the discussion here might be
>> appropriate applied technology. I raise abalone and am new to this board.
I
>> use multiple eductors and the gas transfer takes places in a 24" by 72"
>> column with about 7-10 min of contact and the result is a measured 100%
DO
>> at the 250 gallon abalone tank. Paddles, spray bars, flat plate
diffusion
>> and air stones all have there application. Bubbling efficiency is limited
>> when used directly in a tank as much of the energy is lost. My plans are
to
>> get data on reuse of waste water for an aquaponics project in an area of
>> <200 sq
ft. In that application I plan to use an eductor to aerate the
>> fish tank but I will be raising Red Claw. I n a large operation a paddle
is
>> hands down the correct choice. I n under 1000 gallons like yours an air
>> stone diffuser should provide at least some of the DO requirements. Take
>> readings at the influent pipe, surface, midwater and effluent weir (if
you
>> are using a weir). I mentioned in an earlier response this week the use
of
>> an eductor manifold which uses the recirculation pump on the discharge
side
>> to install the eductor. As earlier mentioned, flowing water measured at
6-8
>> gpm in a small recirculation system you should be able to flow 5-15+ SCFM
to
>> gain greater MET or mass energy transfer for gas transfer. I hope this is
of
>> some use.
>>
>> Arlos
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: STEVE SPRING
>> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
>>
>> >Hi Arlos,
>> >
>> >I am running an O2 concentrator which is attached to 2 airstones. The O2
>> >concentrator puts out apprx. 90-95% FIO2 'at' 6/lpm. I'm very happy with
this
>> >configuration, but with your experience, is there a better end
application
>> >than airstones?
>> >
>> >I am currently running a 700 gal recirc. system with apprx. 100 Tilapia.
>> >
>> >Thanks
.Steve
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Arlos"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 11:18 AM
>> >Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
>> >
>> >
>> >Bruce,
>> >
>> > Not to split hairs or create an endless string on the subject but
>> >diffusion of gas through plate diffusers and especially regenerative
>> blowers
>> >work just fine. I work at the Monterey Bay Aquarium / Stanford
>> >Universities' Tuna Research and Conservation Center )TRCC) where we have
4
>> >large aeration towers supported by recirculation systems and
regenerative
>> >blowers that when measured at the influent of each holding tank have
>> >readings of 100-107% of DO. This provides a 100% distribution of DO
through
>> >out the water column in high stocking densities of both blue and yellow
fin
>> >tuna which have extremely high metabolic rates. Though surface transfer
of
>> >gas is not to be argued. You can't beat spray bars either in the right
>> >application.Sub surface systems for aquaculture and waste treatment have
>> >more than enough data to support their continued use. It boils down to
the
>> >cost of gas transference being the core of the issue. O&M costs drive
the
>> >design process.
>> > Bringing science and engineering to the subject of aquaponics will
help
>> >everyone make a more qualified choice as to the appropriately applied
level
>> >of technology.
>> >
>> >Arlos
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Bruce Schreiber
>> >To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>> >Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:53 AM
>> >Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Pond Aerator Solutions
>> >
>> >
>> >Mark The air bubbles from an aireator contribute very little to the
>> >oxygen content of the water directly.Instead they help to cause an up
>> >swelling of water from lower in the tank to the water surface were the
>> >REAL OXYGEN EXCHANGE takes place. Any way that you can circulate water
>> >up to the surface works as good as air driven
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: UVI Aquaponics Short Course
From: Troa9 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:37:16 EDT
As much as I would LIKE to,,,,(perhaps later),,,I cannot attend those
dates,,,BUT
Can one purchase the "Class Notes" in book form ?? Or a Video, perhaps ?
Thank you,,,,Jason Brouillette,,,,near Key West,,,
| Message 9
Subject: Square watermelons?
From: Mark Hooper
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:34:24 -0500
Check out this picture!
http://www.latimes.com/images/home2/watermelons400_gewqlske.jpg
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:10:18 -0500
This photo was on the front page of our paper this morning. I think
it's great and a niche that one of us should explore. Do we have time
to get a crop out this year? Maybe square canteloupes?
Adriana
> Check out this picture!
> http://www.latimes.com/images/home2/watermelons400_gewqlske.jpg
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:21:09 -0500
Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article & photo of the "Square"
watermelons ? They look more appealing than the normal ones. I had seen a
lady who grew ornamental gourds in various different shapes. It depended on what type of
containers she had. The square shape would make it easier for display and stacking .looks cool!
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:10:18 -0500
>
>This photo was on the front page of our paper this morning. I think
>it's great and a niche that one of us should explore. Do we have time
>to get a crop out this year? Maybe square canteloupes?
>
>Adriana
>
>
>
> > Check out this picture!
> > http://www.latimes.com/images/home2/watermelons400_gewqlske.jpg
> >
>
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:21:47 -0500
Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article & photo of the "Square"
watermelons ? They look more appealing than the normal ones. I had seen a
lady who grew ornamental gourds in various different shapes. It depended on what type of
containers she had. The square shape would make it easier for display and stacking .looks cool!
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:10:18 -0500
>
>This photo was on the front page of our paper this morning. I think
>it's great and a niche that one of us should explore. Do we have time
>to get a crop out this year? Maybe square canteloupes?
>
>Adriana
>
>
>
> > Check out this picture!
> > http://www.latimes.com/images/home2/watermelons400_gewqlske.jpg
> >
>
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| Message 13
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:25:50 -0600
To those folks who post UNSUBCRIBE demands:
When you subscribed to this list you made an electronics
deal with a computer.
There was NO secretary.
There was NO human involved (except maybe for you).
There is no central office.
There is no receptionist.
Just the computer YOU contacted and you.
You received the instructions to manage YOUR account YOU
subscribed to.
YOu successfully subscribed.
This included unsubscribing.
Considering there are no humans except for you I am a bit
confused just WHO IN THE HECK ARE YOU WRITING TO when you
post your unsubscribe demand????
Inquiring minds want to know.
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> >Subject: Unsubscribe
> >
> >
> >> Please Unsubscribe!
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:25:00 -0500
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| Message 15
Subject: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:17:21 -0500
Hi Margi,
Well Doggone! I swear I wake up in a brand new world every day. But, in the
back of my mind, I knew if Bruce was calling Tilapia "Bream", he was
probably right "somehow". (He usually is
an uncommonly bright
individual.)
Hey, if I can grow and market "Georgia Giant" TM "Bream" as Bluegills, I'm
absolutely positive that it is o.k. to call a Tilapia a "Bream". "A rose is
a rose is a rose." Speaking of you trying to get your fish to eat (I'll
call them anything they want if they will eat"); I'm about the same with my
Tilapia. If I could get just one of them not to taste like the "south end of
a northbound skunk", I'll call them Petunias if they want.
My man Bruce is almost always "right on". As I said in my post, that
particular post was just to "educate" fellow "newbies" of the difference
between "bream & tilapia". (NOW, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET BLASTED BY A LOT
OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE THAN I DO AND TELL ME THAT, YOU KNOW STEVE, THE
TILAPIA IS ACTUALLY A BREAM!!)
Hey, Go figure! :)
Best of luck in Africa. Luv ya
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
To: "AQUAPONICS WEBSITE"
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:21 AM
Subject: TILAPIA AND BREAM
Hi Steve
In South Africa, Zimbabwe and Zambia "Tilapia" are known as Bream. (Not too
sure further North than that) They are endemic to the warm waters of the
Zambezi River and her tributaries and the largest natural population is
Mossambicus (Sp). In the last ten years, if my fishing memory serves,
Niloticus made an appearance on the scene- not sure why but most likely
artificially introduced from the Rift Valley rivers and lakes further North.
In our part of the world it would make sense to market Tilapia as Bream:
most people would recognise what they are eating. Europeans in the late part
of the century probably noted the family Sparidae resemblance and mistook
the perciformes for Actinopterygii: a mistake not easily corrected once the
term is in common parlance. To confound matters South Africa has mostly Carp
in the river systems and these are known as Carp: when we all know they
should be called Bream.
Personally, I would be happy to call my fish anything they like if they
would make an effort to regain their appetite: I will contemplate a genus
for the names I am calling them at the moment.
Regards
Margi Gibbison
| Message 16
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:45:48 -0500
Enjoy your enlightening posts Margi.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
Hi Bruce
Tilapia occur in the North of South Africa in warm river systems. The
breeder I am in contact with "farms" Mossambicus there once or twice a year
and transports them inland in plastic tanks: he runs a very successful
Aquarium so I take his word for it when he tells me that his mortality rate
is high for no other reason than Tilapia are habitat responsive and suffer
stress unduly. He has a better success rate when he drug "stuns" them, but
the cost of the imported Phe
.noloxin(sp) (something or other) is
prohibitive. He is successfully breeding small quantities at a dam on the
other (warm) side of Pretoria to us. He has done this for a few years now
and is investigating breeding Niloticus.
I have seen Niloticus at "Bream Farms" in Zimbabwe and fishing reputation
has it that this is a hardier fish. We started with Mossambicus fingerlings
(introduced artificially) from the golf course dam because the mortality
rate on the purchased stock was so high: and they could not meet a quantity
of 1000 fingerlings. We are lucky if we have 500-600 at the moment. The darn
things wont keep still for us to count them. It says a lot for the brain
power behind this venture that no-one thought to weigh them! The owner of
the "Bream Farm" in Zimbabwe has advised me not to transport the breeding
stock ordered from his at this time of year (mid-winter): just as well- the
import permits are a nightmare, having to be done here and in Zimbabwe.
Ironically ( ref Steve's note) I was having to explain the difference
between Tilapia and Bream to the bureaucracy: I needed Steve there when the
first step was to explain that fish are not all the same and that a clever
fish was not the same as genus. Living in cities means that a lot of people
have never seen a fish other than in books (and those are in very short
supply generally).
The research facilities at Universities in Cape Town (2.5 hours flying time)
and Grahamstown, I believe, experiment with Tilapia but have, as yet, not
provided enough information to know exactly what their aims are. I have been
contacted by quite a few people since "debuting" on this website but no-one
with a going concern, although I believe there is one commercial setup in
the Eastern Cape: really out of the way for us.
These are our fishy options right now: hence setting up a hatchery at home.
Avidly read your viable Tilapia methods and I am calling my first grandchild
Attra.
Best Regards and thank you for your interest,
Margi Gibbison
I'll sneak a little "off topic" in here where no-one will notice: you sound
like a fish maniac so will love Tiger fish.We had American friends (big on
freshwater fishing )out to the Zambezi a while back and they tell us that
there is no equivalent fighting fish in your river systems. (We have long
practised "catch and release" when fishing and in the last few years tag
Tiger fish for future identification). They are magnificent- golden orange
with black stripes that glitter in the sunlight when they jump. They take a
while to bring in and you'll need to be a fairly skilful fisherman to do
so, especially with the light tackle we use: a trophy fish would be about
19lbs. The scavenge anything but we use small tilapia as bait: cut the Tiger
open and you will see it takes the "Bream" head first in one swallow. A few
years back my son was trying to remove a hook before returning the fish to
the water. It back flipped and took a huge chunk out of his thigh on the way
down, razor sharp teeth slashing all the way. Four hour journey to
civilisation to get him a Tetanus jab- he's a lot more careful these days.
Tiger fish live for very short times in Aquariums: no long term success at
breeding them in captivity
.there's a challenge you will enjoy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
> Margi
> What kinds of bream(Tilapia) are available to you?
>
> Arlos Can you please give me a good description of the aeration tower?
> Is it like a water fall inclosed in a wider pipe to keep the water
> off of the floor?
> Bruce
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: finding tilapia breeders
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:50:00 -0500
Hi Rita,
I may have some information as to do's & dont's. The veterans on this list
know my position so I ask you to contact me 'at' careplus 'at' execpc.com.
Take care
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rita Pensmith"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:38 AM
Subject: finding tilapia breeders
Hi Everyone,
I'm new at all of this and am very interested in learning more. I'm been
lurking for some time and you all are a wealth of information. Two
questions to start with. I've done some research on the web and was
wondering what sites would you recommend that has the most comprehensive
information that I can read before I bother you with silly questions?
Second, where can I buy a breeder pair of tilapia, in or near Texas.
Thanks,
Rita
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| Message 18
Subject: Koi
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:58:40 -0500
Hi All,
I've had several responses to my Koi. BUT, right now, I have more "I don't
know's" than "I know". I don't know the number that I have, I don't know
shipping, I don't know if I can successfully get them out of the pond.
(Bruce is working on a net for me.)
As we get closer to Sept., (I have to make a decision by then as to what I'm
going to do with all of the trash fish.), I will make another post. If
anyone is still interested, I will have my homework done by then. If $ is a
problem, these will be the cheapest Koi you have ever bought. (not
withstanding airfare
.it may be too costly. I have to do my homework.)
Thanks a lot
Steve
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