Aquaponics Digest - Mon 06/18/01



Message   1: Plain Text/HTML - Re: "Cubic" watermelons
             from S & S Aqua Farm 

Message   2: Re: Plain Text/HTML - Re: "Cubic" watermelons
             from "TGTX" 

Message   3: Re:Black Soldier Fly Larva
             from "Laura Dalton" 

Message   4: Unsubscribe
             from "Stan Clayton" 

Message   5: Bookmarks Site soon?
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message   6: RE:  Fish Scales
             from "Charlie Shultz" 

Message   7: RE: Fish Scales.             from "billevans" 

Message   8: Hotmail accounts - settings
             from S & S Aqua Farm 

Message   9: Re: Hotmail accounts - settings
             from Lamar Zabielski 

Message  10: Fwd. Barley straw fact sheet
             from S & S Aqua Farm 

Message  11: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from Carolyn Hoagland 

Message  12: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from N6XF 'at' aol.com

Message  13: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from "Arlos" 

Message  14: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from "Arlos" 

Message  15: RE: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from "billevans" 

Message  16: Biofiltration material
             from "Arlos" 

Message  17: Tomato
             from "Steven Medlock" 

Message  18: Re: Hotmail accounts - settings
             from "Pat Arbuthnot" 

Message  19: Unsure with biofilter?
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message  20: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard?
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

| Message 1  

Subject: Plain Text/HTML - Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From:    S & S Aqua Farm 
Date:    Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:00:17 -0500

At 11:55 PM 06/17/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry, I meant heavy plexiglass
.1/4-3/8" thick
>  Someone mentioned to me that they saw on TV that they are grown in glass
boxes.  I would think that acrylic would be easiet to work with.  My thought
would be 5 squares connect to form the base of the cube with small bungie
cords or elastic loops 
>
>
>
>


Thanks Adriana, -- this has been an interesting thread!   

As a reminder (to everyone), please be sure you are sending mail to the list
in "plain text" mode.  Even efficient email snipping and replying gets
cumbersome when sent in HTML mode.

Thanks 
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775  417-256-5124
Web page  http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/

| Message 2  

Subject: Re: Plain Text/HTML - Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:43:59 -0500

> As a reminder (to everyone), please be sure you are sending mail to the
list
> in "plain text" mode.  Even efficient email snipping and replying gets
> cumbersome when sent in HTML mode.
>
> Thanks
> Paula

In this case, it became

er,

. cu-cumber-some.
You might say it was

cubic-cumbersome.
Ted

| Message 3  

Subject: Re:Black Soldier Fly Larva
From:    "Laura Dalton" 
Date:    Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:46:09 -0500

All:
Even though I just lurk and learn on this list, the Black Soldier Fly Larva
thread is very interesting and the potential could be great. While living in
England, happened to see a very interesting BBC program on a maggot farm. In
England, maggots are used as fish baits, just a we use worms etc. The story
centered around a large production maggot farm, expressly for the fishing
industry. Every facet of the operation was controlled from the breeding of
the flies, to the production and harvesting of the maggots. They even color
them ( I guess it's easier to tolerate if they're in your favourite color!).
The plant used what they called "rag meat", bits of hide and other totally
unusable meat from the local abattoir. The room where the flies were bred
was environment controlled, clean and isolated. The last I remember of the
program was the huge vats of multi colored maggots waiting to be packaged.
If maggots have the same protein/fat composition as the soldier fly,
wouldn't they be a viable fish food also? - At the risk of making a
"genetic" error, couldn't the remains of  harvested fish be used as the
breeding medium? That would make it a very self contained industry.
Just thoughts.

Laura E. Dalton
Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
1461 State Route BB
West Plains, MO 65775
(417) 256-3268

| Message 4  

Subject: Unsubscribe
From:    "Stan Clayton" 
Date:    Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:38:46 -0700

I too really look forward to my daily digest, and use that format to avoid a
build up in my inbox.  However, many folks don't bother to switch to "plain
text" when replying to a post.  The following is an example of what I see on
the daily digest (it converts all posts to plain text without deleting the
formating instructions).  Fun to read, eh?

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Also, some others do not trim the message they are replying to, and as a consequence, their posts sometimes run to many pages. A little consideration can overcome the worse "social insensitivity" . ;) Stan | Message 5 Subject: Bookmarks Site soon? From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:19:09 -0700 Hi guys. Im plodding along with the bookmarks .and have gotten a great program for sorting them. Last night I sorted my bookmarks at the click of a button, all 3000 of them. Please start sending me your bookmarks sorted according to the titles we discussed. You can send me raw data and the program will do the rest. Please do so soon, as the program I have the joy of using is time limited. (Shareware.) I have a site waiting in the wings, for volunteers .(so far only 2 to help sorting) and now I just need the marks to blast. Ada, are U there? Havent heard from you .??!! Let me know if you're still interested/able. Awaiting the bookmarks is Mike, in humid JAMAICA. | Message 6 Subject: RE: Fish Scales From: "Charlie Shultz" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:11:21 Mike, I use excess fish scales directly in my soil mixes for potted plants or my terrestrial garden. Never have to worry about Calcium deficiencies. Charlie <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales?? | Message 7 Subject: RE: Fish Scales.From: "billevans" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:04:37 -0700 Mike you could freeze the scales then frozen ball mill( insert your own method of pulverization here) ( making this one up tho I know ball milling is a way to break up ore. there is also herb processing equipment that uses freezing to keep the "works" from gumming up.( that's a little $$$ tho) Freezing would help to keep the mix from cooking- if you wanted to preserve the constituents for lipstick also allows things to fracture easily. Or then take the resultant powder and mix it into greenwaste compost . or other soil products that could gain by it's addition. If you were to mix it whole into a hot compost I guess the collagen betwixt the Ca infrastructure eventually breaks down,but the bony part should remain, unless your pile is hiting" fangfire"- ashes inside the pile- temps. Possibly adding them to a cool compost pile would spark some heat? .depend on mycorrhizal action to go after the gusto . hmmm why not just mix the scales into a nice woodsy compost pile( or potting mix)? .market it as an "activator" to to other soil blenders. positing, bill wwho has no fish scales and whose wondering how many tons of scales were talkin'? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales?? _ | Message 8 Subject: Hotmail accounts - settings From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:19:38 -0500 Can anyone who uses Hotmail for their email address explain how to change the settings to send plain text instead of HTML? I'm at a loss with this one, and don't want to set up an account I'll never use just to find out. I would like to be able to advise a subscriber, so just post to the group, please. Appreciate any help. Paula S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 9 Subject: Re: Hotmail accounts - settings From: Lamar Zabielski Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:01:02 -0600 Hello S, When composing a message, above the text area is a check box for RTF, leave it unchecked. When replying to a HTML msg it comes with it checked- Uncheck it and ignore the warning about losing formatting. Lurker Monday, June 18, 2001, 1:19:38 PM, you wrote: > Can anyone who uses Hotmail for their email address explain how to change > the settings to send plain text instead of HTML? I'm at a loss with this > one, and don't want to set up an account I'll never use just to find out. > I would like to be able to advise a subscriber, so just post to the group, > please. Appreciate any help. > Paula > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ -- Best regards, Lamar | Message 10 Subject: Fwd. Barley straw fact sheet From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:05:43 -0500 From: "Geoff Wallat" Subject: Barley straw fact sheet Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:08:53 -0400 FYI, web link for a new fact sheet from Purdue University on use of barley straw in ponds to control algae growth. -----Original Message----- From: Carole Lembi Date: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: barley To colleagues: Enclosed is a web pub that I have put together on barley straw for algae control, including EPA's position on its use. The web address is . It will be updated in the fall, after I hear about this summer's research results. I have also submitted an article on this subject to the journal Aquatics which covers the same information but in more detail. The article should appear in the fall issue, but if you want an advance draft,let me know and I will email it to you. I hope this web site will be helpful to you and your clients, particularly if you are getting a lot of questions about barley. Carole ----------------------------------------- Geoff Wallat Aquaculture Program O.S.U. Centers at Piketon 1864 Shyville Rd. Piketon, OH 45661 Ph. (740) 289-2071 1-800-297-2072 (Ohio only) Fax (740) 289-4591 http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~prec/aqua/ | Message 11 Subject: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: Carolyn Hoagland Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:15:03 -0500 I'm getting ready to order the pea gravel for my biofilter. I need 10 cubic yards. Anybody know how many tons that is? Approximately? Thanks in advance, Carolyn Hoagland | Message 12 Subject: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: N6XF 'at' aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:49:23 EDT --part1_59.bdc6d26.285fdf73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Carolyn, I think you are looking at one full dump truck load and perhaps 20 tons or so. If you have a cement company around your location, they can tell you. I am building a 1600 gal. tank. I am going to need a bio filter myself pretty soon, but I don't know how large it will need to be yet. I guess you are working on a much larger scale than I. chuck --part1_59.bdc6d26.285fdf73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Carolyn, I think you are looking at one full dump truck load and perhaps
20 tons or so.  If you have a cement company around your location, they can
tell you.  I am building a 1600 gal. tank.  I am going to need a bio filter
myself pretty soon, but I don't know how large it will need to be yet.  I
guess you are working on a much larger scale than I.  chuck
--part1_59.bdc6d26.285fdf73_boundary-- | Message 13 Subject: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: "Arlos" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:42:42 -0700 Carolyn, Have you consider other material besides pea gravel. Ceramic foam and a product from Australia called, "Biohome" which I believe is a sintered glass. Ceramic foam though more expensive than pea gravel but has infinitely far more surface area and you may be able to reduce the size of your biofilter bed. Mine is an 18" diameter pipe with flanges and blind flanges on both ends. a hub and lateral system offer nearly 100% bed use as opposed to open beds which tend to channel. Arlos -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Hoagland To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? >I'm getting ready to order the pea gravel for my biofilter. I need 10 >cubic yards. Anybody know how many tons that is? Approximately? > >Thanks in advance, >Carolyn Hoagland > | Message 14 Subject: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: "Arlos" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:20:53 -0700 OK, since I happen to have a pile of pea gravel here I went and weighed a cubic foot which came in at 60 lb That would make a yard, 1,620 lb. 10 yards would be 16,200 lb. Weight may vary depending on what your peagravel is made from. Arlos -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Hoagland To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? >I'm getting ready to order the pea gravel for my biofilter. I need 10 >cubic yards. Anybody know how many tons that is? Approximately? > >Thanks in advance, >Carolyn Hoagland > | Message 15 Subject: RE: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: "billevans" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:36:18 -0700 If it were available, would horticultural perlite work ???(the large#3 size- usually 1/4 " roughly) . it's one fifteenth the density, and holds air to boot( it's porous) .bille OK, since I happen to have a pile of pea gravel here I went and weighed a cubic foot which came in at 60 lb | Message 16 Subject: Biofiltration material From: "Arlos" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:39:26 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F826.00B3C140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the site for Biohome http://www.aqua-bio.com/ I was seriously = considering reping these people here in the US but the cost of import = was prohibitive. I did do carry a ceramic foam. If anyone is interested = I could send a small packet for the cost of shipping. Trust me, nothing = is cheaper than peagravel. But I yet have to find any material superior = to this for a biofilter. I use it for my abalone and they seem pretty = happy with the results. Enough orders and I can develop a group = wholesale discount so to speak. Arlos ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F826.00B3C140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is the site for = Biohome http://www.aqua-bio.com/  I=20 was seriously considering reping these people here in the US but the = cost of=20 import was prohibitive. I did do carry a ceramic foam. If anyone is = interested I=20 could send a small packet for the cost of shipping. Trust me, nothing is = cheaper=20 than peagravel. But I yet have to find any material superior to this for = a=20 biofilter. I use it for my abalone and they seem pretty happy with the = results.=20 Enough orders and I can develop a group wholesale discount so to=20 speak.
 
Arlos
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0F826.00B3C140-- | Message 17 Subject: Tomato From: "Steven Medlock" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:38:58 -0500 Any one know how to shake these tomato plants so they will pollinate? I was told to use an electric toothbrush. but they all spin at the top. Know Idea how to set it up or have any ideas on how to shake them. I set up some fans tonight blowing on the plants and lines holding them up. Got to be a easy way I am not thinking of. Steve(red) | Message 18 Subject: Re: Hotmail accounts - settings From: "Pat Arbuthnot" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 22:46:02 -0500 Hey Paula and Lurker, Did my message come clear this time? Thanks Lurker for the info on the RTF. I'm almost a newbie at this, but be kind because I'm an old newbie :) >From: Lamar Zabielski Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com To: S & S Aqua Farm >CC: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Subject: Re: Hotmail accounts - settings Date: >Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:01:02 -0600 > >Hello S, > >When composing a message, above the text area is a check box for RTF, leave >it unchecked. When replying to a HTML msg it comes with it checked- Uncheck >it and ignore the warning about losing formatting. > >Lurker > >Monday, June 18, 2001, 1:19:38 PM, you wrote: > > > Can anyone who uses Hotmail for their email address explain how to >change > the settings to send plain text instead of HTML? I'm at a loss >with this > one, and don't want to set up an account I'll never use just to >find out. > > > I would like to be able to advise a subscriber, so just post to the >group, > please. Appreciate any help. > > > Paula > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 >417-256-5124 > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ > > > > >-- > >Best regards, Lamar > > | Message 19 Subject: Unsure with biofilter? From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:43:35 -0700 N6XF 'at' aol.com wrote: I am building a 1600 gal. tank. I am going to need a bio > filter myself pretty soon, but I don't know how large it will need to b= e yet. chuck Here is some stuff that may come in handy. The rest is said in whispers shhhhhh and intended for Chuck only (((( Chuck, many folks have problems with HTML on this list, please try to keep it at a minimum.Some folks have real problems to read the HTML, and we just went thru that on the list .))) Mike JAMAICA =01 Conservation Fund 1998 ver 1.0 29 How the Biofilter Works The biofilter (gravel beds) prevents the buildup of toxic ammonia (NH3) and nitrites (NO2 - ) in the water. Ammonia and nitrites build up because of the transformations of nitrogen within the nitrogen cycle. The principle source of nitrogen is the protein contained in feeds. The more feed the fish eat, the more ammonia they will excrete. Ammonia is also released during the decay of organic materials such as uneaten feed and feces (proteins are deaminated through microbial activity). This is an acid-producing reaction called mineralization or ammonification. Therefore, the amount of feed you put into your tanks determines how much ammonia your system will be producing. Ammonia (total ammonia) exists in two forms: toxic ammonia (NH3) and ammonium (NH4 + ). The ammonia equilibrium is: NH3 + H2O <=3D> NH4 + + OH - Under most conditions, the NH4 + is the predominant species. The ratio of NH3: NH4 + will increase as pH and/or temperature increases. Ammonia would reach toxic levels quickly if it weren=92t for the nitrifying bacteria that colonize the RBC. Nitrosomonas and nitrobacter are responsible for the process of nitrification (converting ammonia to nitrate). Nitrosomonas will convert ammonium (NH4 + ) to nitrite (NO2 - ) as follows: NH4 + + 1 =BD O2 -> NO2 - + 2H + + H2O Nitrobacter will convert nitrite (NO2 - ) to nitrate (NO3 - ) as follows: NO2 - + =BD O2 -> NO3 -Note that both of these reactions require the presence of free oxygen. The dissolved oxygen levels in the RBC should remain above 3 mg/l at all times. Nitrification is an acid-producing reaction causing the pH of your system to decline. Nitrification is most rapid at pH 7-8 and 25- 35=B0C. Within a week of adding fish, the growing Nitrosomonas bacteria populations begin to reduce the amount of ammonia (NH3) by converting it to nitrites (NO2 - ). Nitrobacter bacteria populations respond to the increasing nitrites (NO2 - ) by multiplying rapidly. They will convert the harmful nitrites (NO2 - ) into harmless nitrates (NO3 - ). The actual duration of this process can depend on several factors (water temperature, pH, and DO). Sudden changes in ammonia production drastically alters the balance of these two bacteria populations. Drastic changes in any water quality variables (especially temperature and pH) can cause a population to =93crash=94. If a large wei= ght of fish is added to or removed from a system, the effects could be detrimental to the biofilter when the feeding and ammonia loading rates change. It can take as long as 3-4 weeks for a biofilter to become =93conditioned=94 and stabilize the water quality in your system. Large water changes reduce the amount of food available to the bacteria on your biofilter. Acclimating the Biofilter Before you add fish to a new system, you must build up a healthy bacteria population to process their wastes. Inoculating the water in your system with the appropriate bacteria can decrease the acclimation period. There are several different products available from a variety of fish supply catalogs. You can add pure ammonia (about one capful per tank per day) to the system until ammonia (NH3) levels reach 1.0 mg/l. Maintain 1.0 mg/l ammonia levels for at least 2 weeks before adding fish. After one week, begin monitoring the nitrite (NO2 - ) levels. Stabile ammonia and nitrite levels indicate that the biofilter is ready for fish. =46rom Southern Regional Aquaculture Center September, 1989 ** Tank Culture of Tilapia James E. Rakocy* There are many effective biofilter designs, but they all operate on the same principle of providing a large surface area for the attachment of vitrifying bacteria that transform am-monia (NH3 ), excreted from the gills of fish, into nitrite (NO2 ), which in turn is converted to nitrate (NO3 ). Nitrate is relatively non-toxic to fish, but an accumulation of ammonia and nitrite can cause mortality. Tilapia begin to die at ammonia con-centrations around 2 mg/liter (ex-pressed as NH3 -N) and nitrite levels of 5 mg/liter (as NO2 -N). Gravel biofilters, which once were common, are being replaced by plas-tic- media biofilters because they are lightweight and easy to clean. Biofil-ters now consist of self-supporting stacks of honeycombed modules, columns or tanks containing loosely packed rings, or a series of discs on an axle that floats at the water sur-face and rotates, alternately expos-ing the media to water and air. Regardless of design, biofilters generally have the same require-ments for efficient vitrification: 1) DO of not less than 2 mg/liter or 3 to 5 mg/liter for maximum efficiency; 2) pH 7 to 8; 3) a source of alkalinity for buffer since vitrification produces acid and destroys about 7 mg of alkalinity for every mg of NH3 -N oxidized; 4) moderate levels of or-ganic waste (less than 30 mg/liter measured as biochemical oxygen demand), thereby requiring good clarification; 5) water flow velocities that do not dislodge bacteria. Biofilters can be sized by balancing ammonia production rates with am-monia removal rates. Unfortunately, these rates are highly variable. In a growout study on tilapia in tanks, am-monia production averaged 10 grams/100 pounds of fish/day (range:4 to 21). Ammonia produc-tion depends on quality of feed, feed-ing rate, fish size and water temperature, among other factors. Ammonia removal rates may range from 0.02 to 0.10 grams/ft 2 of biofil-ter surface area/day depending on type of media, biofilter design, and the factors that affect vitrification. The required biofilter surface area can be obtained by dividing total am-monia production for the maximum standing crop by the ammonia removal rate. The filter volume can be determined by dividing the re-quired biofilter surface area by the specific surface area (ft 2/ft3) of the media. For example, assume that a biofilter containing l-inch pall rings is being designed to support 1,000 pounds of tilapia. The ammonia production rate is estimated to be 10 grams/100 pounds of fish/day. There-fore, total ammonia production would be 100 grams/day. The am-monia removal rate is estimated to be 0.05 grams/ft2/day. Dividing total ammonia production by the am-monia removal rate gives 2,000 ft 2 as the required biofilter surface area. One-inch pall rings have a specific surface area of 66 ft 2/ft3. Dividing the required biofilter surface area by the specific surface area gives 30 ft3 as the biofilter volume needed to remove ammonia. | Message 20 Subject: Re: How many tons of pea gravel per cubic yard? From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:43:43 -0700 Carolyn if you dont get a reply, do a measurement of your own. There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard. You need 10 cubic yards. Thats 270 cubic feet. Measure a container that big roughly in volume and the multiply by 270. If thats not possible ask the supplier, they usually have this data at their disposal. LEmme (sorry US!!) know how its coming on!! Mike Carolyn Hoagland wrote: > > I'm getting ready to order the pea gravel for my biofilter. I need 10 > cubic yards. Anybody know how many tons that is? Approximately? > > Thanks in advance, > Carolyn Hoagland

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