Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/23/01
Message 1: Bookmarks / How to transport files
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: Re: Bookmarks / How to transport files
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 3: (Synodontus Multipunktotus )
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 4: Aquaponic Herbs: The Cornucopia.com nutritional supplements
from "TGTX"
Message 5: Water test/quality information
from Mike Davey
Message 6: LECA pellet interest query
from "Atlas Business Services"
Message 7: RE: LECA pellet interest query
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 8: Re: Perlite and fluoride
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 9: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from "TGTX"
Message 10: Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from pablo obiaga
Message 11: Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from "TGTX"
Message 12: Re: (Synodontus Multipunktotus )
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 13: Re: OT: New addition to list
from pablo obiaga
Message 14: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from Bill Patrick
Message 15: =?iso-8859-1?Q?thanks,_pac=FA_feed,_binders?=
from pablo obiaga
Message 16: Re: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from pablo obiaga
Message 17: Re: thanks, =?iso-8859-1?Q?pac=FA?= feed, binders
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 18: Re: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 19: Re:Mela-fix
from Mark Dittenberger
| Message 1
Subject: Bookmarks / How to transport files
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:12:47 -0700
FavesToGo converts your collection of
Internet Explorer favorites into a single HTML file
that
can be easily copied to a floppy disk or e-mailed to
yourself for access while traveling. Netscape
Navigator
stores your bookmarks in a single HTML file, but
Internet Explorer stores favorites in a
hard-to-transport
directory structure with each link in a separate file.
Internet Explorer 5.0 and later offers an Export
feature
that creates a bookmark.htm file, but this file lacks
navigation features and is not organized conveniently.
FavesToGo puts shortcuts that are not in folders at
the
top of the list, rather than the bottom. You can
customize the colors in FavesToGo so it's easily
distinguished from the Web pages you link to from it,
and navigation links let you jump between folders.
Make
FavesToGo.html your home page for an easier way to
access your favorites.
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Bookmarks / How to transport files
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:14:44 -0700
Sorry the address for that was
http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,77430,00.html
Regards Mike.
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>
> FavesToGo converts your collection of
> Internet Explorer favorites into a single HTML file
> that
> can be easily copied to a floppy disk or e-mailed to
> yourself for access while traveling. Netscape
> Navigator
> stores your bookmarks in a single HTML file, but
> Internet Explorer stores favorites in a
> hard-to-transport
> directory structure with each link in a separate file.
> Internet Explorer 5.0 and later offers an Export
> feature
> that creates a bookmark.htm file, but this file lacks
> navigation features and is not organized conveniently.
> FavesToGo puts shortcuts that are not in folders at
> the
> top of the list, rather than the bottom. You can
> customize the colors in FavesToGo so it's easily
> distinguished from the Web pages you link to from it,
> and navigation links let you jump between folders.
> Make
> FavesToGo.html your home page for an easier way to
> access your favorites.
| Message 3
Subject: (Synodontus Multipunktotus )
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:26:49 -0700
http://www.theaquarians.net/FishGuide/synodontus_multipunctatus.htm
(Synodontus Multipunktotus ) A popular cuckoo stile breeding African
catfish in with your Tilapia and let the Tilapia females make you $100
or more every time she incubates a batch of fry in a system like this.
Bruce can you comment a dab more on the cuckoo style of this fish?? Or
did you mean the tilapia? Do they place fry/eggs in someone elses
area/mouth
:> giggling
I saw where a 1.5" fish of this type sells for 14 US$!!! Wow.
Tell me more please.
| Message 4
Subject: Aquaponic Herbs: The Cornucopia.com nutritional supplements
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:59:16 -0500
This is a little off-topic, but perhaps not
.I know from prior posts
that many of you have expressed an interest in growing your own food and
improving health and happiness via dietary means, for example. Herbs and
supplements certainly fall within that realm of interest, so I thought I
would pass this along
A friend of mine for many years, Jeff Sargent, owns The Cornucopia, a health
food and vitamin store in San Marcos, Texas. He has a secure website that
some of you may care to visit and investigate, which offers
nutrititional/herbal supplements, etc. I have no commercial interest in
this, just a common interest that we share in such things as herbs and
supplements to investigate and use in alternative dietary programs. I am
intrigued by antioxidants, brain nutrients, etc., and I am now investigating
the various "nutriceutical" herbs to grow in the aquaponic systems I am
designing, so this really does connect if you think about it.
Anyway, here is Jeff's website:
http://www.thecornucopia.com
Hope that you find this interesting, and maybe we could launch a discussion
of aquaponic herbs other than the standard basil and chives???
Ted
| Message 5
Subject: Water test/quality information
From: Mike Davey
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:55:03 -0500
I've been asked to put together a chart that includes most of the
normal water quality tests and what ranges maybe ok or not ok for
tilapia. I would love to have feedback from the group on what range
of values you think would be OK for tilapia. I'm also sure that many
others would benefit from the information being all in one place.
I'm looking to have three values for each tested parameter. A best or
safe range, a range for caution, a range of danger. All for the
following parameters.
SAFE CAUTION DANGER
Ammonia
Nitrite
Nitrate
pH
Alkalinity
Carbon Dioxide
Chloride
DO
Any other parameters that people may test for.
I have much of the chart in my head but would love to have others
that know more than I help fill in some of the blanks.
Thanks for your help
Mike Davey
| Message 6
Subject: LECA pellet interest query
From: "Atlas Business Services"
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:07:55 -0600
Hello all,
I have been experimenting with a small aquaponics setup (200 gal.) with
LECA (Light Expanded Clay Aggregate) pellets as my medium. My setup is
sheltered in a homebuilt greenhouse in Colorado at 8500' altitude and for
the last 3 months has run very well.
In my searching for materials I have found a LECA pellet manufacturer that
can supply 50 litre bags of any size pellets for $25/ea. As of yet I have
not found any other sources under $35 (most companies charge from $35-$50
per 50 litre bag of pellets)
My question to everyone on the list is
.Would you or anyone you know be
interested in using this medium and at the price I mentioned ?
Please feel free to forward this query to anyone you feel may be interested.
Those interested may respond to: aquaponics 'at' atlas-arts.com
Thanks,
Chris
Atlas Growing Products
Woodland Park, Colorado, USA
| Message 7
Subject: RE: LECA pellet interest query
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:58:54 -0500
Hi Chris,
Discount-Hydro has Geolite for $29.95 but the cost goes way up
when you add shipping. I ordered a bag, net pots and coco-peat
to start plants in but I am strictly on a hobby scale right now.
My growing bed is still pea gravel. I do like expanded clay
in net pots for my regular hydro units, but for larger aquaponic
beds I think it is still too expensive
.especially when shipped.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Atlas Business
Services
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:08 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: LECA pellet interest query
Hello all,
I have been experimenting with a small aquaponics setup (200 gal.) with
LECA (Light Expanded Clay Aggregate) pellets as my medium. My setup is
sheltered in a homebuilt greenhouse in Colorado at 8500' altitude and for
the last 3 months has run very well.
In my searching for materials I have found a LECA pellet manufacturer that
can supply 50 litre bags of any size pellets for $25/ea. As of yet I have
not found any other sources under $35 (most companies charge from $35-$50
per 50 litre bag of pellets)
My question to everyone on the list is
.Would you or anyone you know be
interested in using this medium and at the price I mentioned ?
Please feel free to forward this query to anyone you feel may be interested.
Those interested may respond to: aquaponics 'at' atlas-arts.com
Thanks,
Chris
Atlas Growing Products
Woodland Park, Colorado, USA
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Perlite and fluoride
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:15:36 EDT
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Kris, perlite is available in most countries and is cheap,easy to work with,
and is easy to clean in systems, disposing is no problem,acts as insulation
in trays to keep roots cool,gives more time before drying out in a power
failure we find that perlite is just about the best medium at this time and
is replacing rock wool in large commercial operations around the world.The
Perlite Institute has info if you need more facts there # is718-351-5723,
Gordon Creaser
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Kris, perlite is available in most countries
and is cheap,easy to work with,
and is easy to clean in systems, disposing is no problem,acts as insulation
in trays to keep roots cool,gives more time before drying out in a power
failure we find that perlite is just about the best medium at this time and
is replacing rock wool in large commercial operations around the world.The
Perlite Institute has info if you need more facts there # is718-351-5723,
Gordon Creaser
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| Message 9
Subject: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 13:27:44 -0500
I was recently given a book printed in Espana, entitled "Plagas del Campo-
Control biologico" by Trevor G. Forsythe.
I was wondering if anyone on the list could translate the following to
English for me:
On page 68 it says:
Barreras
Probablemente, el mejor metodo para proteger las zanahorias de la mosca
de la zanahoria es erigiendo una barrera de 80 cm de alto alrededor del
cultivo pero sin cubrirlo. La majoria de moscas adultas de la zanahoria que
se introducen en las parcelas de zanahorias son hembras y la mayoria se
aproximan a contraviento a una altura de 40 cm por encima del nivel del
suelo, posiblemente en respuesta al olo de la zanahoria.
El marco de la barrera deberia ocupar 1-1,3 m^2 y ser lo mas resistente
posible, con los lados cubiertos con una mall fina opaca para dejar las
moscas fuera. Como alternativa pueda emplerse polinteno doblado. (Ver Fig.
26)
Tambien es posible evitar el ataque de las mosca de la zanahoria
mediante el empleo de tuneles de plastico o campanas de cristal. Las
plantas deben encontrarse apartadas de la pared de la campana o tunel al
menos 50 cm ya que las larvas pueden migar hasta 50 cm para alcanzar la
planta anfitrion.
Thanks.
Ted
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 17:26:56 -0300
At 13:27 23/06/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I was recently given a book printed in Espana, entitled "Plagas del Campo-
>Control biologico" by Trevor G. Forsythe.
>
>I was wondering if anyone on the list could translate the following to
>English for me:
>On page 68 it says:
>
Barriers
Probably, the best method to protect carrots from "carrot fly" is erecting
a barrier 80 cm high around the crop but without covering it. The majority
of adult carrot flys that introduce themselves in the carrot parcels are
female and most of them aproximate against the wind at an altitude of 40cm
over the ground level, posibly as a reesult of carrot odor.
The boundary frame of the barrier sould occupy 1-1,3 m2 and be as resistant
as posible, with both sides covered with a fine apaque mesh (net) in order
to keep flies out. As an alternative folded polietilene can be used. (See
picture 26).
Also, the attack of carrot fly can be avoided by the means of using plastic
tunnels or glass bell (drum, corbel). Plants should be 50 cm apart from the
walls of the tunnel or drum (bell) because larvae can migrate upto 50cm in
order to reach the host plant.
Hope beinng helpful,
Pablo
>Barreras
>
> Probablemente, el mejor metodo para proteger las zanahorias de la mosca
>de la zanahoria es erigiendo una barrera de 80 cm de alto alrededor del
>cultivo pero sin cubrirlo. La majoria de moscas adultas de la zanahoria que
>se introducen en las parcelas de zanahorias son hembras y la mayoria se
>aproximan a contraviento a una altura de 40 cm por encima del nivel del
>suelo, posiblemente en respuesta al olo de la zanahoria.
>
> El marco de la barrera deberia ocupar 1-1,3 m^2 y ser lo mas resistente
>posible, con los lados cubiertos con una mall fina opaca para dejar las
>moscas fuera. Como alternativa pueda emplerse polinteno doblado. (Ver Fig.
>26)
>
> Tambien es posible evitar el ataque de las mosca de la zanahoria
>mediante el empleo de tuneles de plastico o campanas de cristal. Las
>plantas deben encontrarse apartadas de la pared de la campana o tunel al
>menos 50 cm ya que las larvas pueden migar hasta 50 cm para alcanzar la
>planta anfitrion.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Ted
>
>
>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:35:12 -0500
Thank you, Pablo.
Muchos Gracias!
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: pablo obiaga
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
> At 13:27 23/06/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I was recently given a book printed in Espana, entitled "Plagas del
Campo-
> >Control biologico" by Trevor G. Forsythe.
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone on the list could translate the following to
> >English for me:
> >On page 68 it says:
> >
>
> Barriers
>
> Probably, the best method to protect carrots from "carrot fly" is erecting
> a barrier 80 cm high around the crop but without covering it. The majority
> of adult carrot flys that introduce themselves in the carrot parcels are
> female and most of them aproximate against the wind at an altitude of 40cm
> over the ground level, posibly as a reesult of carrot odor.
>
> The boundary frame of the barrier sould occupy 1-1,3 m2 and be as
resistant
> as posible, with both sides covered with a fine apaque mesh (net) in order
> to keep flies out. As an alternative folded polietilene can be used. (See
> picture 26).
>
> Also, the attack of carrot fly can be avoided by the means of using
plastic
> tunnels or glass bell (drum, corbel). Plants should be 50 cm apart from
the
> walls of the tunnel or drum (bell) because larvae can migrate upto 50cm in
> order to reach the host plant.
>
> Hope beinng helpful,
> Pablo
>
>
>
>
>
> >Barreras
> >
> > Probablemente, el mejor metodo para proteger las zanahorias de la
mosca
> >de la zanahoria es erigiendo una barrera de 80 cm de alto alrededor del
> >cultivo pero sin cubrirlo. La majoria de moscas adultas de la zanahoria
que
> >se introducen en las parcelas de zanahorias son hembras y la mayoria se
> >aproximan a contraviento a una altura de 40 cm por encima del nivel del
> >suelo, posiblemente en respuesta al olo de la zanahoria.
> >
> > El marco de la barrera deberia ocupar 1-1,3 m^2 y ser lo mas
resistente
> >posible, con los lados cubiertos con una mall fina opaca para dejar las
> >moscas fuera. Como alternativa pueda emplerse polinteno doblado. (Ver
Fig.
> >26)
> >
> > Tambien es posible evitar el ataque de las mosca de la zanahoria
> >mediante el empleo de tuneles de plastico o campanas de cristal. Las
> >plantas deben encontrarse apartadas de la pared de la campana o tunel al
> >menos 50 cm ya que las larvas pueden migar hasta 50 cm para alcanzar la
> >planta anfitrion.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Ted
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: (Synodontus Multipunktotus )
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:13:08 -0500 (CDT)
Go back and read the information that comes with the photo gallery.
These African catfish spawn with mouth-breeding cichlids grabbing
the hosts eggs before being picked up by the host and leaving their
own.(A brooding female picks up any thing that looks like an egg and can
have the eggs of many different cichlid species in her mouth growing at
a time.Eggs dropped during an attack of another holding female of any
other specie are saved in this way though the mother is killed her young
live) The host then fosters the catfish eggs and young carrying them to
release age while feeding on the hosts eggs and fry all along.The
catfish fry act just like the host cichlid fry leaving the adults mouth
to feed and returning to the safety of the host cichlids mouth at
threatening times. And they are good looking to
Bruce
| Message 13
Subject: Re: OT: New addition to list
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:32:39 -0300
Devon:
I've been out of the country and couldn't reply mails.
I wish you lots of loving moments. Wow; those little things really put us
in our place!
Greetings to the mother too who does the heavy work.
Pablo
>>
>>My wife and I recently found out we are expecting our second child!!!
He/she
>>is due the end of January 2002!
>>
>Are you still coming to Palm Harbor in October or are you going to bring
>down Grandmas pride sometime in February?
Emmett
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:10:28 -0400
Ted,
Pablo did a great job here, but when you can't find a human to do it for
you, try a machine. There is a program out there called Bablefish that
does translations. As you can guess the program is named after the fish
in Douglas Adams' (may he rest in peace) book "Hitch Hikers Guide to the
Galaxy" that does translations for you after you place it in your ear.
I did some quick searches for it and found that Altavista has a site
with a service that runs bablefish and does translations. Check it out
at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
I'm sure if you looked harder you could find the program for yourself
and run it at home.
Good Luck and happy translating,
Bill
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
-- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science,
1949
pablo obiaga wrote:
>
> Barriers
>
> Probably, the best method to protect carrots from "carrot fly" is erecting
> a barrier 80 cm high around the crop but without covering it. The majority
| Message 15
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?thanks,_pac=FA_feed,_binders?=
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:33:47 -0300
Hi all:
I've been out of the country in Buenos Aires.
I want to thank the PAula, Bruce and the rest of the members for the
information on Pac=FA. You people are wonderfull!
There are few sources of Pac=FA here. Some pet stores get them from deallers
tha bring them from Brazil, and don't have a regular supply (breeding
season december-feb) Only one petstore has a regular supply and best price
(4U$A each!) and get them from perhaps the only person that breeds them in
the country. =A1At home! =A1In the City! Offcourse they wouln't give me the
name. But thank god this is a small country i'll get the name sooner than
later. It's just a question of spreading the word arownd friends.
I made a quick visit to the local State University (UBA) Faculty of
Agronomy . I met a wonderful guy Mr. Petracchi (in charge of Acuatic
Systems) who was very generous and helpful. I just want to make it public.
I was given cientific articles on PAc=FA and adressed to people who have bee=
n
working with them.
I'll be willing to share for those interested.
As a newbie triyng to get his homework checked I would like your oppinions.
I was worried about fish feed. Guess what. It's a problem in Argentina too.
Fish feed may get rare or cost prohibbitive eaven for accademic grants.
Some use chiken starter feed for fingerlings and then go on with dog food.
Amazing fish! Soon i'll find out it learns to cackle and bark.
Interested in the possibility of making my own feed, I came to know that in
Brazil there's been an experiment carried on with gelatine or wheet flour
as binders.=20
There was some concearn on the list in the past about non nutrient binders.
Thou it did not say how they prepare them it may be worth trying. Running
the risk of having PAc=FA speaking french after some time I would start
cooking a hard and not very oily (subtitute butter) bechamel, hard enouhg
for croquettes and then adding the rest of ingridients before it cools
down, wich that may be anything else I can get to compose 22-30% protein:
soy meal, sunflower meal, sorgum wich are the most common down here. Then
extrude it trhou sutable size and let it dry.
There's also powdered milk or powdered way that could come in in small
proportions to correct protein. It can get cheap here. Would this imply
side effects like calcium building up?
If I can get cheap Agar Agar. When cool is more water resistant than
gellatine or bechamel. Is it ok?
Those in contact with alfalfa, white or red clover planters may know of a
binding marvel. Down here we pellet seeds binding specific rhizobium plus
powdered phosphate with a product wich is a polisacaride. Its a very potent
binding stuff and digestable eaven by human "FAS A" (Commercial name may
mean nothing"). Seeds result covered by the necesary P to start N fixation
and as a bonus as they look like tiny peabbles birds and ants leave them on
the field. It resists rain enough to implant.
=20
Thanks again.
PAblo
| Message 16
Subject: Re: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:49:03 -0300
Bill:
I'll give it a try. My experience with translaters is mainly to spanish.
And every time I get back things that make little sense or are so hard to
read that I would preffer to learn chinese before using them. Besides its
not that hard. I'm from the time we didn't have simple xerox machines and
people read and smelled ink and paper all the time.
At 20:10 23/06/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Ted,
>
>Pablo did a great job here, but when you can't find a human to do it for
>you, try a machine. There is a program out there called Bablefish that
>does translations.
| Message 17
Subject: Re: thanks, =?iso-8859-1?Q?pac=FA?= feed, binders
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:50:02 -0700
Pablo I had good contact to 2 person in Columbia who can supply your
hearts content with Pacu?
Interested?
Mike
JAMAICA.
pablo obiaga wrote:
> =
> Hi all:
Only one petstore has a regular supply and best price
> (4U$A each!) and get them from perhaps the only person that breeds them=
in
> the country. =A1At home! =A1In the City! Offcourse they wouln't give me=
the
> name. But thank god this is a small country i'll get the name sooner th=
an
> later.
| Message 18
Subject: Re: OT Re: Plagas del Campo Control biologico
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:54:49 -0700
You type it in online, and get what you need back in a click of a
button. On the inside I heard Babelfish people didnt pay their server
bill last week, so they may not be as accesible.
(Comes from reading the business section of a Far Eastern newspaper,
which I worked for once.)
It is easy to use and user friendly, just in case someone wanted an
opinion
Trick
.always save a text copy so in case the web crashes, you still
havent wasted minutes of a precious life!!
regards,
Mike
JAMAICA.
Bill Patrick wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> Pablo did a great job here, but when you can't find a human to do it for
> you, try a machine. There is a program out there called Bablefish that
> does translations.
| Message 19
Subject: Re:Mela-fix
From: Mark Dittenberger
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:14:24 -0700
Hello, I have been working with Koi and Goldfish at a retail water
garden. We use The product Mela-fix Quite often. It works quite well if
you use it consistently, I believe it's a seven day / seven applications
dosage. The great thing about it though is that it is simply tea tree
oil and is very safe to use. It treats both bacterial and some fungal
problems. I have never used it in a system that incorporated plants, but
I thought it probably wouldn't hurt them. I'd love to hear of any trials
with using this product in aquaponic systems.
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