Aquaponics Digest - Sun 07/01/01
Message 1: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: Welcome
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Lots of Stirling Engine, Solar Trough
Links
from "TGTX"
Message 5: RE: Fresh Water Mussels(Bruce)
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 6: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 7: Re: scales
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 8: Re: scales
from Allen
Message 9: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
from "Arlos"
Message 10: Re:Mela-fix
from "Devon Williams"
Message 11: Re: Re:Mela-fix
from "TGTX"
Message 12: RE: Re:Mela-fix
from "billevans"
Message 13: fresh water mussles
from David Weeks
| Message 1
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:40:19 -0500
Hi Red,
Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days. Been
busy (again!).
Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe next
year.
Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat is
going to be my next
problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of? Where
are you located?
Later
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Medlock"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green house.
Just plastic covered
concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next problem
I don't have the
extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> Hey Red,
>
> What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
>
> SS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees. I
will let everyone know
how
> it goes. There was no way I could pollinate 200
plants by hand. I am
open
> to any other options. the bees are expensive. But to
the amount of blooms
I
> am loosing worth it. I have started with 30 plants
way ahead of the other
> 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work through
all my problems. Lesson
> learned.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > I have been using and suggesting the use of a
tomato vibrator from
> > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> >
> > See picture below:
> >
> >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> >
> > It is a very good vibrator and cost only $14.95.
> >
> > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more than
a "few" tomato plants.
> We
> > would like to know if anyone has any info on a
more commercial tomato
> > pollinator.
> >
> > Also, I would like info on a scale that weighs in
oz's. Anyone out there
> got
> > got any info on this. Everyone I look at cost
$400+.
> >
> > Would appreciate any input.
> >
> > Thanks
Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Welcome
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:52:09 -0500
I second that motion! Welcome James!
I also second the motion of all the lurkers out there
to "jump in" . This is
a wonderful list. Hey! You can't do any worse than I
do. You guys have seen
my posts and there hasn't been any "hitmen" at my
doorsteps yet
.but,
I'm still waiting.
This is "Ole Socially Insensitive" Steve
Later
:)
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: Welcome
Welcome James,
Welcome out of Lurkland!! :>
Hope to hear more from you!! (and to all lurkers,
PLEASE jump in with
your questions!! Makes it all the more interesting for
us!!)
Regards,
Mike,
JAMAICA.
James Kennedy wrote:
>
> BTW this is my first post to this list (that I can
recall) after lurking
for months and I just have to say it is one list I
always read--
| Message 3
Subject: Re: scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:04:56 -0500
Hi Allen,
Pardon my ineptness, I couldn't find that scale. I
found several at $300+. I
couldn't find the Ohaus CS 2000 listed in their
website.
Thanks
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: scales
For anyone who does not need an electronic scale for
trade, Forestry
Suppliers has an Ohaus CS 2000 "Portable Standard"
Balance on sale for
$85 (list is $105). It has a 2,000 g/4 lb 6.5 oz
capacity.
http://www.forestry-suppliers.com
Allen Sylvester
| Message 4
Subject: Lots of Stirling Engine, Solar Trough Links
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:34:58 -0500
This one could set your hair on fire with acoustic
energy
.thats a few
notches louder than Pete Townsend and the Who, Live at
Leeds, I'd wager
.
http://www.discover.com/may_00/gthere.html?article=featfuture.html
Future Tech: Thunder in a Bottle - This tube of
supercharged sound could make the biggest bang since
internal combustion
Backhaus's Thermoacoustic Stirling Hybrid Engine,
which he affectionately refers to as TASHE, performs
the same basic job as an ordinary car engine or
gas-fired turbine: It converts heat into motion. But
the similarity ends there.
TASHE operates entirely on pressure waves, using
high-intensity sound to do the work of steel. As a
result, it has no moving parts, can be constructed
from cheap, basic materials, and yet it is just as
efficient as a typical modern internal combustion
engine.
Ultimately, sound engines could take dozens of forms,
from big ones that liquefy plumes of natural gas to
little ones laboring in the cellar, that would provide
supplemental home electricity.
"What sound allows us to do is build invisible
machinery. It's the next level of mechanical
engineering," says Tim Lucas, president and CEO of
Macrosonix Corp., a research and development company
in Richmond, Virginia.
Stirling's engine consists of a sealed chamber filled
with gas that shuttles back and forth between a "cold"
end, often at room temperature, and a "hot" end, which
can be heated by any energy source.
A displacer piston within the chamber moves the gas
between the two ends, while a power piston oscillates
in response to the movement of the gas as it expands
when heated and cools when chilled. The power piston
can be attached to a crankshaft to do the work.
To test Ceperley's ideas, he built his own test
engine, starting with a baseball-bat-shaped resonator
made from inexpensive steel pipe. The resonator
determines the operational frequency of the engine, in
the same way that the length of an organ's pipe
determines its pitch.
At the "handle" end of the bat, Backhaus bolted on a
doughnut-shaped metal chamber to hold the hot (about
1,300 degrees Fahrenheit, or 700 degrees Celsius) and
cold (70 degrees Fahrenheit, or 20 degrees Celsius)
heat exchangers. Then he filled the device with
compressed helium.
The heat exchangers in TASHE act like a huge stereo
speaker--creating sound, sending it down the
resonator, and amplifying the feedback repeatedly
until it becomes inconceivably powerful. "If you were
in that wave, permanent hearing loss would be the
least of your problems.
It's loud enough to set your hair on fire," says
Swift. The operating engine is remarkably muted,
however, quieter than an idling car.
Quarter-inch-thick steel walls, needed to contain the
highly compressed helium, maintain the silence. "The
cavity walls are extremely stiff. They don't flex, so
the sound wave hardly escapes," Swift says.
________
Here is a simple diagram for making a stirling pump.
The heat source can be
solar.
The article even mentions use of this in a "hydroponic
garden for water
cycling"
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
_________
http://www.suntherm.com/
http://www.chatlink.com/~soltherm/system1.htm
http://www.chatlink.com/~soltherm/
In 1913 Frank Shuman demonstrated that Solar Troughs
were cost competitive
with coal. This article lets you get acquainted with
what has already been
done -successfully - over 80 years or more
ago
.what are we thinking, not
developin and deploying this technology more than we
have?
http://www.techreview.com/articles/july95/Smith.html
Also, check out the core solar technologies of Bomin
Solar Research at
http://www.bominsolar.com/core.php3
They offer SUNPULSE(tm) Stirling technology, a
low-temperature engine
powered by unconcentrated sun radiation employed as
pumping system (for
irrigation in agriculture and for fresh water supply)
and for
air-conditioning/refrigeration systems, and a
medium-temperature Stirling
engine powered by concentrated sun radiation, biomass
or gas; to be employed
as distributed power stations with performance ranging
from 5kW to 30 kW and
higher
HEATSTORAGE(tm) BSR's thermo-chemical heat-storage
system
SOLARENVELOPE(tm) BSR's newest concentrator technology
concentrates solar
radiation via Fresnel-lens/mirror systems by a factor
of C=100 to C=150;
technology employed in medium- to large-scale power
stations, desalination
plants, energy-intelligent greenhouses and in
architectural structures
SOLUX(tm) BSR's revolutionary day-lighting system,
concentrated "cool"
(infrared light is filtered out) light is brought into
architectural
structures through "liquid light pipes"
(Recall the Sulfur Plasma Lamps and mylar light tubes
we talked about
earlier, and some of the LED light discussions)
SOLARBOX(tm) BSR's hot water and water disinfection
system
_________
I sent more out back in April and up to now, but these
are some oldie
goldies for y'all to ponder your poi with
Ted
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Fresh Water Mussels(Bruce)
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:10:40 -0500 (CDT)
Mark It's my belief that if we ad process depth to
our systems in as
many ways possible. We will remove any natural road
blocks to growing
any thing that we wish. So If you were to add in line
marsh ,peatbog and
a swamp to your system with actual 6 inche deep mud
collected from
natural ones. You will find that like the refugeoum
systems with their
mud filters and deep plenum sand beds used in salt
water you will have
many organisms working for you that you'll have
trouble identifying but
still have great growth on the ones that will pay your
bills like the
fish.Each system will be different your clarifier
waste will be
exhausting into a marsh the waste is saved and used to
feed X system
population to support Y system population in a closed
loop. All gravity
fed and at a saving O money loss gain, no more money
lost down the rat
hole. Where you must pump water up to a tank have it
exhaust first into
a gravel bed riffle system containing mussels (like a
gold miners
sluice) and its a filter.
On the bottom of your system in the swamp you can
grow red claw
crawfish and prawns with mud mussels and a separate
loop going to a
turtle fattening tank (snappers or softshell) and feed
them your diers.
To keep the snappers put I CAREFULLY drill a small
hole in the shell by
the tail and put a wire loop through it and than put
it on a dog chain
in the yard, don't worry the turtle is not harmed yet.
So if you can do
this and still have some fingers your in business
alternately you can
use gaters with a high fence NOTE I would not go
skinny dipping in
either system they do not tame down instead they think
of you as the
dinner bell and come to you with no fear as if you
were a walking
porkchop or you could use pigs but the meat tastes off
with them if fed
on fish in large amounts.
Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:05:45 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos the Zebras have been given a bad rap as a kid
I remember Lake
Michigan being a polluted sewer that I went to swim in
every day but now
its pristine like when first discovered by Europeans.
Zebras are good
things, now the plant beds that were wiped out by the
shading of
pollution can return with the fish life they supported
instead of the
VERY EXOTIC to the great lakes
(Yellow perch,Smelts,and various Trout and Salmons all
are not native to
the great lakes but are planted.) We will see some
change back to
endangered and marginalized older Native populations.
Zebras seam to attach to any solid shaded surface
down to about
40ft. they look dark from the surface like the side of
a painted house
and when I remove a section for my tanks you can see
the area from the
surface as a light spot .They are to me great fresh
water reef subjects
AND THEY DO NOT MULTIPLY IN CLOSED SYSTEMS I am still
trying to get them
to spawn in my tanks. 5 years and no success
Bruce
| Message 7
Subject: Re: scales
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:43:15 EDT
Steve, have you tried any used equipment dealers,
resturants or going out of
business grocery stores? I bought 2 electronic scales
that were certified for
sale of merchandise, for around $75 ea
I saw a
listing in a trading post
paper for $50. they were aslo certified for sale of
merchandise. I think both
had a capicty of 50 lbs and were also in ounces and 1
weighed in lbs,oz &
grams. Let me know what you are looking for and see if
I may locate something
in the Richmond Va area. See you in N.C.
Bert
| Message 8
Subject: Re: scales
From: Allen
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 15:54:17 -0500
Steve,
Sorry about that. I found it in their print "Summer
Sale 2001" catalog,
which lasts until Sept. 15, 2001. I did not expect it
would be hard to
find.
Try doing a search under product number 93579 - that
is actually the $21
optional adapter for the balance, but goes to a better
description than
when I did a search for the Ohaus CS 2000 balance at
product number
93608. They DO have it listed at the sale price of
$85.
I have been satisfied with their service when I bought
other things from
them.
Like Bert says, a used balance may be cheaper, IF you
can find one.
Allen
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:58:38 -0700
Bruce,
At the Monterey Bay Aquarium we get two species of
barnacles to breed. The
goose neck and the acorn barnacle. In order for me get
my abalone to
broadcast I run a temperature elevated stream across
their shells for a few
minutes with a hand held hose. The temp is about 4
degrees above ambient
temp which I have chilled to a spring / summer average
at 51 F. You could
attempt to select brood stock and try using UV,
hydrogen peroxide or in a
pressure chamber, raise the pressure gradient. If you
know when females are
ripe than I would try and isolate them and irradiate
the water or dose it
with hydrogen peroxide to induce spawning. Using a
pipette to siphon gametes
should be fairly easy. Other than a little mussel porn
and alcohol it's hard
to find a method to induce spawning. I've found
little on the net so far
about the culturing of zebra mussels ( make that zero
info). Most is about
taking up the pitch fork and going up to the castle
door and getting the
monster.
As barnacle and marine mussels have a pelagic stage,
it may not be that
they do not breed, it may be conditions may not be
ripe to drop out of the
water column in a closed loop system and you have 100%
mortality. Abalone
need gamma-amino butyric (adult ab slime trail) (it's
nice to grow up where
others graze) acid to drop out of the water column.
Marine species I would
imagine are not that different from their fresh water
cousins.
In the bigger picture, we're an invasive species on
this continent and
seemed to have adapted quite well.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
Arlos the Zebras have been given a bad rap as a kid
I remember Lake
Michigan being a polluted sewer that I went to swim in
every day but now
its pristine like when first discovered by Europeans.
Zebras are good
things, now the plant beds that were wiped out by the
shading of
pollution can return with the fish life they supported
instead of the
VERY EXOTIC to the great lakes
(Yellow perch,Smelts,and various Trout and Salmons all
are not native to
the great lakes but are planted.) We will see some
change back to
endangered and marginalized older Native populations.
Zebras seam to attach to any solid shaded surface
down to about
40ft. they look dark from the surface like the side of
a painted house
and when I remove a section for my tanks you can see
the area from the
surface as a light spot .They are to me great fresh
water reef subjects
AND THEY DO NOT MULTIPLY IN CLOSED SYSTEMS I am still
trying to get them
to spawn in my tanks. 5 years and no success
Bruce
| Message 10
Subject: Re:Mela-fix
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:03:14 -0400
Mark,
Is it tea tree oil or Melaluca(sp?) tree oil
.or, are
they one in the
same????? I know Melaluca is the scourge of the
Everglades, and any use
that can be found for it is welcome to Floridians who
care about the
glades
.just thought the name - "Mela-fix" sounded
too much like the
dreaded tree.
Just wondering.
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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>From: Mark Dittenberger
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re:Mela-fix
>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:14:24 -0700
>
> Hello, I have been working with Koi and Goldfish at
a retail water
>garden. We use The product Mela-fix Quite often. It
works quite well if
>you use it consistently, I believe it's a seven day /
seven applications
>dosage. The great thing about it though is that it is
simply tea tree
>oil and is very safe to use. It treats both bacterial
and some fungal
>problems. I have never used it in a system that
incorporated plants, but
>I thought it probably wouldn't hurt them. I'd love to
hear of any trials
>with using this product in aquaponic systems.
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 11
Subject: Re: Re:Mela-fix
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:28:50 -0500
Melaluca is the plant, and tea tree oil is the extract
of Melaluca plant
tissue.
It is really good stuff
. the extract, that is
I
use it all the time
on ant bites, wasp stings, cuts, bruises, etc.
Ted
> Mark,
>
> Is it tea tree oil or Melaluca(sp?) tree oil
.or,
are they one in the
> same????? I know Melaluca is the scourge of the
Everglades, and any use
| Message 12
Subject: RE: Re:Mela-fix
From: "billevans"
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 18:02:23 -0700
Melaleuca alternifolia, to be specific
. is the
specie used for tea tree
oil
bille
-
M>>>elaluca is the plant, and tea tree oil is the
extract of Melaluca plant
tissue.
| Message 13
Subject: fresh water mussles
From: David Weeks
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:17:15 -0700 (PDT)
Hi,
I ran across an interesting link for those having the
inclination to look.
http://news.fws.gov/mussels.html
Blessings,
David
Marinatha Farm
'Seek and you will find, Knock, and it will be opened
unto you, ask and you
will receive'
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