Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/02/01
Message 1: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua Dinosaur!!??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: RE: Fresh Water Mussels
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Freshwater Prawns
from "MONTY LEWIS"
Message 4: Re: scales
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 5: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 6: Just a thought
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 7: Re: scales
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 8: was: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now
O.T.
from "Nick"
Message 9: RE: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
from "Richard & Faye"
Message 10: Re: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua
Dinosaur!!??
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 11: Re: Just a thought
from wylie bass
Message 12: Re: Freshwater Prawns
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: Re: Just a thought
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 14: Re:Solar Heating / Just a thought
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua Dinosaur!!??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 01:42:46 -0700
Just spent an interesting day helping out at a fish
farm, helping to
transfer fish to a stock out pond. I saw fish I had
never seen before
and have just spent the last 3 hours cleaning bags of
fish.
Tilapia Mossambicus and Nilotica, (no reds)
.,
catfish, carp, mirror
carp, siclets, plecos, and the one I had never seen
before was the bass,
used there as a predator fish.
I wondered where do you folks identify aquatic fauna
if you havent seen
one before.
On Saturday, I looked into the biofilter greowbeds and
saw aomething I
had never seen before namely, it looked like a mini
version of Fred
Flintstone's Dino without legs and tail, (that cigar
shape) about an
inch long, with sucker cups at the ends. (especially
the thicker end.)
It waves the thinner end in the water as if trying to
filter the water,
waving, and after doing so for a few seonds would then
bunch up like an
army worm, crawl to a new site, suck on with the
thicker end, let go
with the thinner end, and repeated the same thing over
and over.
Does anyone know what this could be? I wondered if
this was a leech?? I
have never seen one, and considering the biofilter is
based at sea, I
dont know how else it could have gotten there, if not
for it having been
taken there in some plant matter.
Any ideas anyone?? And anyone know of a site where one
can identify
stuff like this??
Thanks.
(pooped, but Ive got fish in the freezer for a while,
thank God!!! :) )
Mike,
JAMAICA
| Message 2
Subject: RE: Fresh Water Mussels
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:24:02 -0500
Bruce,
The zebras may have done some good as purifiers but
the bad rap
is not unjustified. The link David sent (thanks
David) reminds us
that they have also wiped out native species in some
areas. They are
extemely prolific in the wild and compete with native
species for
food and oxygen. They will attach to any hard surface,
including
larger native mussels. Their potential in controlled
tank systems is
exciting though.
I called the DNR today to check and see if the local
river species
are threatened or protected here. They haven't gotten
back to me yet.
If it's ok to collect some, I heading down river in my
canoe this
weekend.
This has been a very informative thread
thanks
everyone.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Bruce Schreiber
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:06 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Fresh Water Mussels
Arlos the Zebras have been given a bad rap as a kid
I remember Lake
Michigan being a polluted sewer that I went to swim in
every day but now
its pristine like when first discovered by Europeans.
Zebras are good
things, now the plant beds that were wiped out by the
shading of
pollution can return with the fish life they supported
instead of the
VERY EXOTIC to the great lakes
(Yellow perch,Smelts,and various Trout and Salmons all
are not native to
the great lakes but are planted.) We will see some
change back to
endangered and marginalized older Native populations.
Zebras seam to attach to any solid shaded surface
down to about
40ft. they look dark from the surface like the side of
a painted house
and when I remove a section for my tanks you can see
the area from the
surface as a light spot .They are to me great fresh
water reef subjects
AND THEY DO NOT MULTIPLY IN CLOSED SYSTEMS I am still
trying to get them
to spawn in my tanks. 5 years and no success
Bruce
| Message 3
Subject: Freshwater Prawns
From: "MONTY LEWIS"
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:07:45 -0500
I would like to know if anyone has had any experience
with raising
freshwater prawns or Austrailian red claw in a
aquaponics system and if so
what plants work well with the species. Any
information sources would be
greatly appreciated.
Thank you !
| Message 4
Subject: Re: scales
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:52:02 -0500
Sorry to butt in but the scales have to be certified
in the State or county?
I know that this was talked about but I missed It. I
would be interested in
a scale if you find one.
Thanks,
RED
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: scales
> Steve, have you tried any used equipment dealers,
resturants or going out
of
> business grocery stores? I bought 2 electronic
scales that were certified
for
> sale of merchandise, for around $75 ea
I saw a
listing in a trading
post
> paper for $50. they were aslo certified for sale of
merchandise. I think
both
> had a capicty of 50 lbs and were also in ounces and
1 weighed in lbs,oz &
> grams. Let me know what you are looking for and see
if I may locate
something
> in the Richmond Va area. See you in N.C.
>
> Bert
>
| Message 5
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:56:54 -0500
Steve,
I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating system
thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I didn't
spend the money I
should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have me
worried. I am in
Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> Hi Red,
>
> Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days. Been
busy (again!).
>
> Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe next
year.
>
> Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat is
going to be my next
> problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of? Where
are you located?
>
> Later
.Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green house.
Just plastic covered
> concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have the
> extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Hey Red,
> >
> > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> >
> > SS
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees. I
will let everyone know
> how
> > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate 200
plants by hand. I am
> open
> > to any other options. the bees are expensive. But
to the amount of
blooms
> I
> > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of the
other
> > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work through
all my problems.
Lesson
> > learned.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > I have been using and suggesting the use of a
tomato vibrator from
> > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > >
> > > See picture below:
> > >
> > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > >
> > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only $14.95.
> > >
> > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more
than a "few" tomato
plants.
> > We
> > > would like to know if anyone has any info on a
more commercial tomato
> > > pollinator.
> > >
> > > Also, I would like info on a scale that weighs
in oz's. Anyone out
there
> > got
> > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at cost
$400+.
> > >
> > > Would appreciate any input.
> > >
> > > Thanks
Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 6
Subject: Just a thought
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:05:28 -0500
Talk about way out there. I had a thought. I seen a
web site on small
steam engines. I thought that this could possibly be
used to spin a
generator, to a battery storage unit. I do live in
the country so that wood
is not a problem.
Is there anyone that has seen something like this on
the market? I don't
think it is a bad idea but I am not a mechanic, just a
thinker.
Red
| Message 7
Subject: Re: scales
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:21:24 EDT
What capacity are you looking for?
Bert
| Message 8
Subject: was: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
From: "Nick"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:27:19 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Medlock"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> Steve,
> I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
system
> thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I didn't
spend the money I
> should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have me
worried. I am in
> Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> Red
Hi Red,
Just a thought here:
The link below, takes you to the page where you can
select "Midwest". The
link from there will allow you to look at a solar
radiation map for your
area. You can select if you want to use flat plate,
tracking, or
concentrating solar options, then click on the St.
Louis area which will
give you a
table of solar data for that area. According to the
NREL data, you
have some very nice solar available to you.
We are using a home built air heater (solar, non
tracking) for daytime heat
suppliment here and we
have all been very pleased and impressed with its
performance, even in the
NW. We will be building a
couple more air heaters and a water heater soon.
http://www.solstice.crest.org/renewables/solrad/data/
www.redrok.com has a simple LED controller ($35) for
satellite dish
actuators for
tracking if you want to go that route. That site
takes a while to load, but
loads of info.
Take Care, Have Fun, and Build Something
Solar
nick
| Message 9
Subject: RE: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:03:35 -0500
Hi Red,
I am a fellow Missourian, Live near the Lake of the
Ozarks and am fairly new
to all of this. To all I have really enjoyed the list
and the only problem
I have with it is that so many possibilities are being
given that I find
myself overwhelmed.
Have a hydroponic greenhouse at this time, no fish,
but I hope to take care
of that next year.
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Nick
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:27 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: was: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Steve,
> > I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
> system
> > thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I
didn't spend the money I
> > should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have
me worried. I am in
> > Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> > Red
>
> Hi Red,
>
> Just a thought here:
>
> The link below, takes you to the page where you can
select "Midwest". The
> link from there will allow you to look at a solar
radiation map for your
> area. You can select if you want to use flat plate,
tracking, or
> concentrating solar options, then click on the St.
Louis area which will
> give you a
> table of solar data for that area. According to the
NREL data, you
> have some very nice solar available to you.
>
> We are using a home built air heater (solar, non
tracking) for
> daytime heat
> suppliment here and we
> have all been very pleased and impressed with its
performance, even in the
> NW. We will be building a
> couple more air heaters and a water heater soon.
>
>
http://www.solstice.crest.org/renewables/solrad/data/
>
> www.redrok.com has a simple LED controller ($35) for
satellite dish
> actuators for
> tracking if you want to go that route. That site
takes a while
> to load, but
> loads of info.
>
>
> Take Care, Have Fun, and Build Something
Solar
nick
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua Dinosaur!!??
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:06:56 -0500 (CDT)
Mike if it's in fresh water than what you have just
described is a leach
Bruce
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Just a thought
From: wylie bass
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:15:08 -0500
Hey Steve,
If you want to use steam why not use a sun
concentrator. You can put
an array of one foot mirrors in a ten by ten
configuration, point them at an
old radiator and blow all the steam you want. I have
even seen a device
that allows it to follow the sun. Mother Earth News
( don't remember
the issue, sorry)
see ya Wylie
Steven Medlock wrote:
> Talk about way out there. I had a thought. I seen
a web site on small
> steam engines. I thought that this could possibly
be used to spin a
> generator, to a battery storage unit. I do live in
the country so that wood
> is not a problem.
> Is there anyone that has seen something like this
on the market? I don't
> think it is a bad idea but I am not a mechanic, just
a thinker.
> Red
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Freshwater Prawns
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:20:02 -0700
HI Monty,
I grow a few redclaw just for fun in a plastic tank.
Everything I do is
outlined here
http://www.wa.gov.au/westfish/aqua/broc/aquainfo/aqinfo21.html
If you follow these guidelines you should be ok. Today
for the first
time I watched one aggressively hunt a little fish,
when it was hungry.
The can get quick quick when they want to. They are
also EXCELLENT
escape artists, so be careful of the type of
containers you use. Do not
have even air lines hanging on the side of the tank as
they WILL try to
use these as rope ladders!! :>
I have not connected the outflow of the pond to a
growbed. I am testing
one of my biofilters on it instead.
Regards, Mike.
MONTY LEWIS wrote:
>
> I would like to know if anyone has had any
experience with raising
> freshwater prawns or Austrailian red claw in a
aquaponics system and if so
> what plants work well with the species. Any
information sources would be
> greatly appreciated.
> Thank you !
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Just a thought
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:28:54 -0600
It works so good at a certain point it melts the
radiator.
Don't get too carried away with too many mirrors guys
and
gals. Its a great way to make an aluminum melting
furnace.
Great idea Wylie! Forgot all about this one.
Marc
wylie bass wrote:
>
> Hey Steve,
> If you want to use steam why not use a sun
concentrator. You can put
> an array of one foot mirrors in a ten by ten
configuration, point them at an
> old radiator and blow all the steam you want. I have
even seen a device
> that allows it to follow the sun. Mother Earth
News ( don't remember
> the issue, sorry)
> see ya Wylie
>
> Steven Medlock wrote:
>
> > Talk about way out there. I had a thought. I
seen a web site on small
> > steam engines. I thought that this could possibly
be used to spin a
> > generator, to a battery storage unit. I do live
in the country so that wood
> > is not a problem.
> > Is there anyone that has seen something like
this on the market? I don't
> > think it is a bad idea but I am not a mechanic,
just a thinker.
> > Red
| Message 14
Subject: Re:Solar Heating / Just a thought
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 00:06:22 -0700
Mark have you done this before?? Sounds
interesting
.!!Please tel lme
more offlist if needs be.
There is a solar-concentrator group at
solar-concentrator 'at' cichlid.com
for all those interested.
Sorry I dont have the subscription info at hand.
laters
Mike
marc 'at' aculink.net wrote:
>
> It works so good at a certain point it melts the
radiator.
> Don't get too carried away with too many mirrors
guys and
> gals. Its a great way to make an aluminum melting
furnace.
> Great idea Wylie! Forgot all about this one.
>
> Marc
>
|
