Aquaponics Digest - Thu 07/05/01
Message 1: Re: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua
Dinosaur!!??
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: RE: starting up
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 3: Re: Re:Mela-fix
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 4: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 07/04/01
from "Joel Carroll"
Message 5: RE: Re:Mela-fix
from "billevans"
Message 6: RE: starting up
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 7: Re: Tilapia fingerling suppliers
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re: Just a thought
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 9: Re: scales
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 10: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 13: Re:Starting Up
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
Message 14: Re: starting up
from "TGTX"
Message 15: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "TGTX"
Message 16: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "billevans"
Message 17: Bed setup questions
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Identifying AquaFauna / Aqua Dinosaur!!??
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:52:55 -0700
Thanks for the help Bruce, I did a positive ID! My
eyes certainly popped
out when I read your mail, but then the more I read
the more I found out
I had little to worry about and that I had probably
brought it in from
water lilies taken in from the river nearby.
Found a few web sites where I was able to make an ID.
My question still remains.
Anyone know of any good sites to ID aquatic fauna?
Sorta like a big "see-heres-a-pic-of-it" after youve
typed in a search
word ???
Mike
JAMAICA
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Mike if it's in fresh water than what you have just
described is a leach
> Bruce
| Message 2
Subject: RE: starting up
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:23:40 -0700
Thanks for the info, Mark. Much appreciated.
What do you mean by "dialed in"? Sounds like a phone
company line.
Pete
Langley, BC
snip
I'm pretty sure they don't remove solids at S&S but
their systems
are very well dialed in and the beds are deep. I am
not sure many
systems are dialed in well enough to break the solids
down before they
build up and cause problems
.especially in smaller
systems.
snip
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Re:Mela-fix
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:17:33 -0500
Maleleuca is in the same family as the tea tree, but
is not the
variety of choice for tea tree oil production.
> Is it tea tree oil or Melaluca(sp?) tree oil
.or,
are they one in
the
> same
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 07/04/01
From: "Joel Carroll"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:37:29 -0700
Good morning Pete,
Take a look at hydroponicsonline.com for free
hydroponic plans. I used one
of their years ago to build a 2-liter bottle system in
a flood and drain
configuration that I still use today. Using their idea
I made mine with 21
bottles and you could easily make one with a bottle
for each student. And
the layout isn't fixed. You could make yours to be one
or two rows along a
long wall of windows. I'm using perlite and get good
results with lettuce,
peppers, and small tomato types. Have fun.
Joel
> Subject: Starting up in Aquaponics
> From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:18:03 -0700
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just joined the list as well and I'm interesting
in setting up a small
> system at the high school where I teach. I have a
number of questions that
> perhaps some of you could have a go at answering.
>
> What's the easiest hydroponic system for starting up
and what type of
> substrate should I use for the plants? I know of
drip irrigation, floating
> styrofoam, periodic flooding, and there may be
others. How do I choose?
>
> What's the ratio of fish to plants in a mature
system?
>
> How do I start the system? I.e., how do I make sure
there are enough
> nutrients for the plants, or enough biofiltration
for the fish without
> harming either set of organisms?
>
> My research on the web has indicated that there is
some disagreement about
> whether the solids need to be removed from the water
before running it
> through the hydroponic set up. What are your
thoughts on this?
>
> What are the most likely micronutrients that will be
needed for the
plants?
> What's the best way to add them to the system?
>
> How much light do foliage crops (lettuce and chards)
need? Will
flourescent
> lights give off enough light if I have a bank of
them?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Pete Scholtens
> Langley, BC
>
| Message 5
Subject: RE: Re:Mela-fix
From: "billevans"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:17:23 -0700
Melaleuca alternifolia is used for "teatreeoil"
production.
If it isn't the genus specie used for this purpose,
why is there much info
on the WEB saying it is?>>
http://www.google.com/search?q=Melaleuca+Alternifolia
billevans
>>>>>
Maleleuca is in the same family as the tea tree, but
is not the
variety of choice for tea tree oil production.
> Is it tea tree oil or Melaluca(sp?) tree oil
.or,
are they one in
the
> same
| Message 6
Subject: RE: starting up
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:09:05 -0500
Pete,
It just means that everything is working as it should
and
things are in balance. There are a lot of
variables
.PH,
DO, ammonia, bacteria count, TDS
.it's just an
expression
to describe it all working together like a fine tuned
(living) machine. I'm not sure where the expression
came from but in wastewater treatment (my former life)
we had lots of dials and were always monitoring and
adjusting
things
.when we had it right it was "dialed in".
I'll get more info to you as I can
.good luck.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Pete and Diana
Scholtens
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:24 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: RE: starting up
Thanks for the info, Mark. Much appreciated.
What do you mean by "dialed in"? Sounds like a phone
company line.
Pete
Langley, BC
snip
I'm pretty sure they don't remove solids at S&S but
their systems
are very well dialed in and the beds are deep. I am
not sure many
systems are dialed in well enough to break the solids
down before they
build up and cause problems
.especially in smaller
systems.
snip
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Tilapia fingerling suppliers
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:18:41 -0500
Ken's Fish Farm in Ga does not sell Tilapia. He sells
hybrid bluegills,
catfish, small mouth bass, minnows, frogs and a lot of
other stuff
.but, he
does not sell Tilapia. Want to see Ken spit, mention
Tilapia.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Patrick"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Tilapia fingerling suppliers
TGTX wrote:
>
> Bill Patrick, our amigo in Florida, can hop on in
right about now and give
> some info.
> On small quantity suppliers. Most want you to buy
at least a 1000 or
3000,
> etc.
That's right Ted. Mike at Aquasafra would only sell
me about 3000
fish. As I remember they were 10 cents a piece for
$300.00. Mike gave
the number of a guy on the west coast of Florida
(which I can't find
now) that would sell me 300 fish for around 20 cents
each. I also found
a guy in Palmbay Florida that would deliver some
tilapia to me for 30
cents a piece. All I was doing at the time was a
little research to see
if I could buy some fish for my 950 gal. tank. I
found that I could get
them fairly easily here, so I happy with what I found
and figured that
when I got serious and I could buy a small amount. I
think Ken's Fish
in Georgia sells small quantities also. Here's my
list of fish
suppliers I kept.
http://www.cherrysnapper.com/
http://www.fishfarming.com/
http://www.miami-aquaculture.com/
http://www.tilapiaseed.com/
http://www.Kens-FishFarm.com/
http://www.americulture.com/
By the way Ted did you see my direct email to you
about my San Antonio
trip?
Bill Patrick
>
> I used Aquasafra. I can pretty much recommend their
T. nilotica. Beauty
> little fish. Tender flesh but "Built Ford Tough" in
the greenhouse, if
you
> know what I mean.
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Just a thought
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:22:12 -0500
I have found some small engines on the net. I found
them on google search
engine I looked up steam engine kits. They had some
that was designed to
make electricity, at about 2 pounds of wood or so an
hour. Just a thought.
Got to be a way other than gas.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jeppesen
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: Just a thought
> Steve
> I love this Idea but then agin I just love steam.
The problem is that the
steam emgines on the rail road were only 4 to 6
percent fuel efficient and
the the little one you'r looking at even less. So you
could probably bucket
water faster than you could chop would. Not to put the
idea down I still
love it. just pricey and inefficient.
> Chris
>
> > "Steven Medlock"
Just a
thoughtDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:05:28 -0500
> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> >
> >Talk about way out there. I had a thought. I seen
a web site on small
> >steam engines. I thought that this could possibly
be used to spin a
> >generator, to a battery storage unit. I do live in
the country so that
wood
> >is not a problem.
> > Is there anyone that has seen something like this
on the market? I
don't
> >think it is a bad idea but I am not a mechanic,
just a thinker.
> >Red
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 9
Subject: Re: scales
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:29:02 -0500
Emmett,
I think I like that idea better, It looks like you
are getting a good price
for your tomatos. I wasen't figuring that much for a
wholsale price.
Thanks,
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: Peggy & Emmett
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: scales
> Attn: Steven Medloc, you wrote:
> >I am raising tomato's, so I will sell by the pound.
I don't know much
about
> >scales. I figure the ones that are used for basic
deli or produce.
>
>
> I've been selling my tomatoes to a health food
store. I pick the
> tomatoes, wash the dust off, dry with a paper towel,
and place them in two
> black (nested in one another to support the weight)
growers trays. I buy
> trays without drainage holes so the fruit isn't
damaged. The fruit is cut
> from the vine leaving a green stem. The bright red
shiny fruit with green
> stems sitting in a shiny black tray is beautiful.
So I walk into the
> store with my tray filled with two layers of
tomatoes. I place the tray
> into the produce scale(the one with the label "May
not be used for
trade"),
> say it weighs 16 1/4 pounds. I say to the produce
manager the tare
> weight is 1/2 pound let say 15 pounds. Invariably
she says OK. She feels
> she's 3/4 of a pound ahead (of course she's also
buying green stems the
> cost of which will be passed on to the consumer).
I'm $30 richer and four
> hours later she's sold out of my tomatoes. So Steve
I'm writing you this
> so you can see I placed the burden of scales upon
the retailer. To me the
> need for special scales is moot.
.Emmett
>
>
| Message 10
Subject: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:43:31 -0500
Steve,
Have you lost your mind? What does this have to do
with aquaponics??? A LOT
if you guys do any substantial printing and buy $30
cartridges.
I, sometimes, buy things from TV and usually it,
whatever it is, doesn't
work. I bought this UNIVERSAL Inkjet Refill
kit
.guess what
IT WORKS!
I just refilled my Lexmark printer cartridge and it
shows full and works
like a charm.
Just FYI. "EVEN A BLIND PIG FINDS AN ACORN SOMETIME"
LOL
Steve
| Message 11
Subject: Re: scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:49:05 -0500
I kind of thought this Emmett. As usual, thanks for
the input.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy & Emmett"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: scales
Attn: Steven Medloc, you wrote:
>I am raising tomato's, so I will sell by the pound.
I don't know much
about
>scales. I figure the ones that are used for basic
deli or produce.
I've been selling my tomatoes to a health food store.
I pick the
tomatoes, wash the dust off, dry with a paper towel,
and place them in two
black (nested in one another to support the weight)
growers trays. I buy
trays without drainage holes so the fruit isn't
damaged. The fruit is cut
from the vine leaving a green stem. The bright red
shiny fruit with green
stems sitting in a shiny black tray is beautiful. So
I walk into the
store with my tray filled with two layers of tomatoes.
I place the tray
into the produce scale(the one with the label "May not
be used for trade"),
say it weighs 16 1/4 pounds. I say to the produce
manager the tare
weight is 1/2 pound let say 15 pounds. Invariably she
says OK. She feels
she's 3/4 of a pound ahead (of course she's also
buying green stems the
cost of which will be passed on to the consumer). I'm
$30 richer and four
hours later she's sold out of my tomatoes. So Steve
I'm writing you this
so you can see I placed the burden of scales upon the
retailer. To me the
need for special scales is moot.
.Emmett
| Message 12
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:04:01 -0500
Steve,
You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking about
using the foam on the
north wall and sealing that in also. The south wall
is still a question. I
thought about using that corigated clear plastic as
another layer under the
plastic. I kick my self for not running hot water
through the concrete. Oh
well live and learn. Either one of these or going to
be expensive. I am
either going to go with a wood furnace or gas both are
$800 or so The gas
then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it last
winter.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> Hi Red,
>
> You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
>
> I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered with
> plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
>
> I covered my slab in the "farm" with styroboard. NOT
CHEAP! But, neither
is
> a system that doesn't work because it is too cold.
These guys are about
> $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good stuff). My
"farm" maintains
apprx.
> 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the only
heatsource being 2
> 450-watt growlights.
>
> I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
> greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet floor
down now. I will be
> putting down styroboard and then covering this with
plywood
on top of
the
> pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental heat,
I will be running a
> forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few feet)
> away. This will be used for heat when my growlights
(2-1000 watt HPS) turn
> off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope this
will be sufficient for
> winter operation. I will be doing another couple of
smaller things too. I
> WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
>
> Later my friend
Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> Steve,
> I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
system
> thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I didn't
spend the money I
> should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have me
worried. I am in
> Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Hi Red,
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days.
Been busy (again!).
> >
> > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe next
year.
> >
> > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat is
going to be my next
> > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you located?
> >
> > Later
.Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green house.
Just plastic
covered
> > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have the
> > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > Hey Red,
> > >
> > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> > >
> > > SS
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees. I
will let everyone
know
> > how
> > > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate 200
plants by hand. I am
> > open
> > > to any other options. the bees are expensive.
But to the amount of
> blooms
> > I
> > > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of the
> other
> > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my problems.
> Lesson
> > > learned.
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have been using and suggesting the use of a
tomato vibrator from
> > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > > >
> > > > See picture below:
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > > >
> > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
> > > >
> > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more
than a "few" tomato
> plants.
> > > We
> > > > would like to know if anyone has any info on a
more commercial
tomato
> > > > pollinator.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that weighs
in oz's. Anyone out
> there
> > > got
> > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at cost
$400+.
> > > >
> > > > Would appreciate any input.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re:Starting Up
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:34:07 -0400
Pete,
I found an archived thread that has some good info
on TDS and plant to fish ratios. Here ya go.
http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/000211.html
Mark
| Message 14
Subject: Re: starting up
From: "TGTX"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:15:49 -0500
> Pete,
> It just means that everything is working as it
should and
> things are in balance. There are a lot of
variables
.PH,
> DO, ammonia, bacteria count, TDS
.it's just an
expression
> to describe it all working together like a fine
tuned
> (living) machine
> What do you mean by "dialed in"? Sounds like a phone
company line.
> Pete
> Langley, BC
Oh, now I see what y'all are talkin' about.
I thought you guys might have been talking about my
NEW
"Dial-AquaponiX-2001". In which you just adjust the
knobs, flip the switch,
and all is taken care of. No sweat.
Yep.
Totally Modern Living in a Streamlined World.
The Fix is In.
Spandex Jackets for Everyone.
Heh, heh, heh.
Ted
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "TGTX"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:28:57 -0500
> Just FYI. "EVEN A BLIND PIG FINDS AN ACORN SOMETIME"
> LOL
Steve
Now wait just a minute. Hold the phone. Hold on, I
say, Hold on, there
just a minute
.That proverb is proprietary
The sole public property of the citizens of the Great
State of Texas
.I do
believe.
If we didn't orginate it, then we prolly bought the
rights to it.Might have originated in France with Blind Hogs, and
Truffles and the like.
But I am pretty sure it is a local colloquialism that
must be closely
guarded.
It's all about heritage, and silly
provincialisms
you understand.
Steve, unless you are an honorary Texan, you can't
just be sayin' stuff like
that, being from the Great Cheddar State where the
Deer are nearly as big as
the Moose. (Or is it Mooses? Or Meeses?)
.There
oughta be a law
.and
unfortunately, there probably is
Somebody call in
the
barristers
.Break out the case law
.check the
torts
.Let's settle
this right cheer
.
Heh, heh, heh,.
Ted
| Message 16
Subject: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "billevans"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:38:23 -0700
tHAT INKJET OFFER IS A RIPOFF!( the TV
info-"mershul"
compared to other
offers for the same thing.-- only w/ much more ink
digga round
. NU-JET in
Converse is is a peach!
http://www.nujet.com/refillp.html
-
| Message 17
Subject: Bed setup questions
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:06:03 -0400
Hi folks,
I had a couple of questions about setting up the
gravel beds.
Has anyone tried flooding them from the bottom like
a traditional flood and drain system and eliminating
the irrigation grid?
Has anyone tried a continuous drip rather than
flooding and draining? I thought grid maintenance and
solids might be a problem here.
thanks,
Mark
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