Aquaponics Digest - Sat 07/07/01
Message 1: Re: Lost mail
from "Jay Myers"
Message 2: RE: Lost mail
from "billevans"
Message 3: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
from "TGTX"
Message 4: RE: Fish Scrape injuries
from "billevans"
Message 5: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 6: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 7: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 9: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from kris book
Message 10: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: Bed setup questions
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Aquaponics Conference
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Bookmark site
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 15: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 16: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 17: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "TGTX"
Message 19: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 20: Re: Floor Insulation
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 21: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from "Arlos"
Message 22: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from "Arlos"
Message 23: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
from "billevans"
Message 24: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 25: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
from "Nick"
Message 26: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from "Arlos"
Message 27: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 28: Fish Scrape injuries => Harvesting
methods
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 29: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 30: Re: tomato vibrator/scales/styroboard
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 31: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 32: Aquaponics Convention
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 33: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from marc 'at' aculink.net
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Lost mail
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:02:02 -0500
Mike -
Not sure if this is what you are looking for -
www.aerialad.net
go to Beach Hydro Farm
Jay
Panama City Beach, Fl.
| Message 2
Subject: RE: Lost mail
From: "billevans"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 06:52:25 -0700
How'd "Jed Clampit" heverly billl hillies fame,
put it?
>>EEEeeewwwww Doggiezzzzz
. awesome strawberry towers! and the lettuce lake
is cool too!
bille
sandiego
go to Beach Hydro Farm
Jay
Panama City Beach, Fl.
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:55:52 -0500
Nocardia is a bad actor
can be carried by striped
bass and some others.
Fairly rare.
Forms persistent sores on the surface of the skin that
grow into ulcers.
Can't knock it out with regular antibiotics because it
has that
muccopolysaccharide wall, kind of like tuberculosis.
Special antibiotics
are required.
Strep is sometimes a surface pathogen of Tilapia (very
infrequent, but
handlers and processors that have been finned by
infected fish have had
problems.)
You may be having an immulogical or allergen reaction,
unique to your
system, to the mucous injected into local tissue when
the fin punctured your
skin.
Get this taken care of NOW Mister Mike
see a doctor
about any pain,
streaks on your skin (blood poisoning), stiff joints,
rashes, ulcers, and
the like.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlos
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
> Mike,
> Any idea which species you had been handling?
Sturgeon fish have a fin
> much like a sharp scalpel near the tail fin. Dorsal
fins of many rock fish
> have mild neurotoxins. There is a nasty little
critter, Phisteria
piscacita
> (spelling is a little off) that is found on the east
coast and certainly
as
> far south as Florida (maybe down in the Caribbean)
Its a dinoflagette that
> injects with a nemotast, a toxin that causes sores
that don't heal in in
> some cases a Parkinson's like syndrome that lasts
about 6 months. It's
> caused massive fish kills in the N. Carolina and
Chesapeake Bay region. A
> researcher at UNC by the name of Joanne Burkholter
( I think thats the
> name). Secondary infection is more of a problem. Any
allergies to fish?
Any
> breathing problems related to this? Anafalatic (sp)
shock is not something
> to take lightly.
> I saw this interesting fishing technique out of
south Carolina where
guys
> put their arm in the water and reach under logs and
a catfish bites on
their
> arm and they haul the fish into the boat. Just
exactly how much do you
have
> to hate your wife to fish like this?
> I'd be interested to see what kind of local
treatment you get for this.
We
> just had a good size shark (15 ft+-) about a month
ago in 8 feet of water
> right off the shore (about 50 feet) knock an adult
california Sea Lion
clean
> out off the water and bit it clean in two. This was
in front of a beach
full
> of tourists. I think that would be the ultimate
fish sting.
>
> Arlos
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
> To: tilapia 'at' egroups.com ;
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
> Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:23 PM
> Subject: Fish Scrape injuries
>
>
> >Has anyone any ideas or experiences with infections
from fish fin
> >jabs/sticks/pokes that they could share?
> >
> >After handling a lot of fish last week and getting
stabbed a few times
> >Ive now had pain in my hand-joints for a week. Im
not sure if this is
> >from the seine net, or from a flu-like bug going
around, but I do recall
> >a news article in Canada re infections caused by
fish store owners
> >getting stabbed by fish fins, can anyone share some
thoughts please??
> >
> >I think this aspect of job safety may be an
interesting discussion
> >point??!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mike
> >JAMAICA
> >
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: RE: Fish Scrape injuries
From: "billevans"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:16:16 -0700
internal and external use of grapefruitseed extract
could help as well.
bille
-
.see a doctor
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:54:22 -0500 (CDT)
>From 10 seasons of commercial fishing in Bristal Bay
Alaska I can tell
you to use Aleive which is an anti-inflammatory to
bring down the
swelling and also use Neosporin salve on your skin to
promote fast
healing.
I used to get Salmon fever every year on the
second day out after
pulling and picking sockeye salmon out of the nets the
first day and its
not fun so I know the Aleives work!
Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:16:36 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos were the tourists at the beach swimming at the
time ? If so what a
rush a big shark in the water really gets my attention
they are for some
odd reason the only creature that since I was a child
I have had an
unreasoning fear of. I respect most dangerous wild
life but I only fear
Big Sharks. I must have been a sea lion once in a past
life
Bruce
| Message 7
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:46:47 -0500
No Red,
It isn't foam. It is called styroboard. It is
available in 4x8 sheets. Works
well.
Later
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Medlock"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
Steve,
You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking about
using the foam on the
north wall and sealing that in also. The south wall
is still a question. I
thought about using that corigated clear plastic as
another layer under the
plastic. I kick my self for not running hot water
through the concrete. Oh
well live and learn. Either one of these or going to
be expensive. I am
either going to go with a wood furnace or gas both are
$800 or so The gas
then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it last
winter.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> Hi Red,
>
> You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
>
> I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered with
> plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
>
> I covered my slab in the "farm" with styroboard. NOT
CHEAP! But, neither
is
> a system that doesn't work because it is too cold.
These guys are about
> $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good stuff). My
"farm" maintains
apprx.
> 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the only
heatsource being 2
> 450-watt growlights.
>
> I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
> greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet floor
down now. I will be
> putting down styroboard and then covering this with
plywood
on top of
the
> pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental heat,
I will be running a
> forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few feet)
> away. This will be used for heat when my growlights
(2-1000 watt HPS) turn
> off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope this
will be sufficient for
> winter operation. I will be doing another couple of
smaller things too. I
> WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
>
> Later my friend
Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> Steve,
> I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
system
> thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I didn't
spend the money I
> should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have me
worried. I am in
> Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Hi Red,
> >
> > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days.
Been busy (again!).
> >
> > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe next
year.
> >
> > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat is
going to be my next
> > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you located?
> >
> > Later
.Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green house.
Just plastic
covered
> > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have the
> > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > Hey Red,
> > >
> > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> > >
> > > SS
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees. I
will let everyone
know
> > how
> > > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate 200
plants by hand. I am
> > open
> > > to any other options. the bees are expensive.
But to the amount of
> blooms
> > I
> > > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of the
> other
> > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my problems.
> Lesson
> > > learned.
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > > I have been using and suggesting the use of a
tomato vibrator from
> > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > > >
> > > > See picture below:
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > > >
> > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
> > > >
> > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more
than a "few" tomato
> plants.
> > > We
> > > > would like to know if anyone has any info on a
more commercial
tomato
> > > > pollinator.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that weighs
in oz's. Anyone out
> there
> > > got
> > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at cost
$400+.
> > > >
> > > > Would appreciate any input.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:51:30 -0500
"But, I am an honorary Texan. I even hold a Texas
passport
.bought it at a
flea market in Houston. Spent several years in the
Wonderful State of
Tejas."
Later
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
> Just FYI. "EVEN A BLIND PIG FINDS AN ACORN SOMETIME"
> LOL
Steve
Now wait just a minute. Hold the phone. Hold on, I
say, Hold on, there
just a minute
.That proverb is proprietary
The sole public property of the citizens of the Great
State of Texas
.I do
believe.
If we didn't orginate it, then we prolly bought the
rights to it.Might have originated in France with Blind Hogs, and
Truffles and the like.
But I am pretty sure it is a local colloquialism that
must be closely
guarded.
It's all about heritage, and silly
provincialisms
you understand.
Steve, unless you are an honorary Texan, you can't
just be sayin' stuff like
that, being from the Great Cheddar State where the
Deer are nearly as big as
the Moose. (Or is it Mooses? Or Meeses?)
.There
oughta be a law
.and
unfortunately, there probably is
Somebody call in
the
barristers
.Break out the case law
.check the
torts
.Let's settle
this right cheer
.
Heh, heh, heh,.
Ted
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: kris book
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:03:06 -0600
Bruce,
It took me 51 years to find someone that has only one
real fear just like
mine. As a teenager my favorite pastime was predator
hunting, you know,
sitting in the dark and calling animals in with a
sound similar to a
dying rabbit. Well one night while sitting on the edge
of a cliff above a
game trail, I turned around because something made the
hair on the back
of my neck stand up. Six inches from my face were the
two biggest yellow
eyes I have ever seen. I slowly changed the shotgun to
my left hand, drew
a bead and found out why you don't fire a shotgun at
something that is
about a foot away. I had cougar blood all over me.
Now, I won't say I
wasn't scared but, I never lost my grip.
In my year in Viet Nam, I never lost my ability to
react under fire. But,
I'll never forget that morning that a shark took a
bite out of my buddy's
surfboard. I swear, I shook for a week and I still
don't like swimming in
the ocean. Thank God they don't live in fresh water!
kris
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:03:23 -0500
Bill, et. al.
Boy!! I hate to do this. I wouldn't recommend
something unless I had tried
it myself.
My computer and printer interface so that I can always
see the level of ink
in my printer cartridge. After filling my cartridge,
my ink level showed
full. It is as if I have a full cartridge in my
printer.
I still stick by my guns and recommend the Universal
Inkjet Refill system.
It woks for me. I have not looked at the site that
Bill suggested. Maybe it
is better
.I don't know. I am only saying that I
tried the system that I
recommend and it is by no means a "rip off".
I only pass this on to fellow list members as FYI. I
have no vested interest
as to whether you use this or not. As I said, it
worked for me.
So, if you wish, try the one I suggest or try the one
that Bill suggests. It
doesn't matter to me. I was only trying to help. No
further correspondence
about this matter is necessary.
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "billevans"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
tHAT INKJET OFFER IS A RIPOFF!( the TV
info-"mershul"
compared to other
offers for the same thing.-- only w/ much more ink
digga round
. NU-JET in
Converse is is a peach!
http://www.nujet.com/refillp.html
-
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:03:59 -0500
I will look at your site though Bill. Thanks
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "billevans"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
tHAT INKJET OFFER IS A RIPOFF!( the TV
info-"mershul"
compared to other
offers for the same thing.-- only w/ much more ink
digga round
. NU-JET in
Converse is is a peach!
http://www.nujet.com/refillp.html
-
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Bed setup questions
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:08:06 -0500
Hi Adrianna, Gordon, Mark, et. al.,
This might be something of interest to bring up in NC.
Just a thought.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: Bed setup questions
Mark,
I did a workshop at a high school in W Virginia which
had modified the
S & S system, eliminating the grid. They supplied the
nutrient at one
end of the growing bed only and had no problems with
it. This makes
seeding and clearing beds easier, provides greater
usable growing
area, requires less piping and connections, less area
for algae
build-up etc. I visit Jay Meyers at his Panama City
greenhouses last
week and we discussed this specific thing.
I am growing hydroponically and have a couple of
expanded clay beds on
a slight slope with a pipe across the high end running
at a low flow
rate and it is working out very well. The clay is
more porous however
and wicks the nutrients up to the plants. If you are
planting from
transplants where you can assure contact with the
nutrient flow
stream, gravel shoudl work OK. For surface broadcast
seed you may
have problems getting adequate moisture to the plants
for germination
and early growth using gravel.
Adriana
> I had a couple of questions about setting up the
> gravel beds.>
> Has anyone tried flooding them from the bottom like
> a traditional flood and drain system and eliminating
> the irrigation grid?
>
> Has anyone tried a continuous drip rather than
> flooding and draining? I thought grid maintenance
and
> solids might be a problem here.
| Message 13
Subject: Aquaponics Conference
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:20:46 -0500
Hi Gang,
I just received my pamplet concerning the conference
in early November. Hope
all of you can make it. I'm in for sure.
Reserve your seats early to see "SOCIALLY INSENSITIVE"
Steve. You might be
surprised. I'm not really such a bad guy and my wife
is wonderful. She has
to be to put up with me. We'll both be there. (I'm
going to see if I can
"drag" Bruce Schreiber and his wonderful wife,
"Sherry" along with me.) GOT
TO BE FUN!!
SEE YA'LL IN NC.
Steve
| Message 14
Subject: Bookmark site
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:33:20 -0700
Hi gang!!
I have been working slowly at the bookmark site, (its
easy sorting it
but not to code it
.) and am thinking I will post it
to you next week
Still havent heard a peep from the volunteers
.??
Hope all is well with
you??
I need some pictures however to post on the site as
front page pics.
Anything to do with aquaponics
I also need pics or links to folks systems
This can be sent offlist to me directly. PLEASE do NOT
post pictures to
the list!! Please DO post LINKS to the list for
everyones gratification.
There is a contact list too to promote the list, and
Im thinking if
there are list members who want special mention
there
. please speak up
now too.
Kind regards.
Mike.
PS Still need folks versed in HTML with time on their
hands to place
subtitles under the links!!!
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:28:29 -0500
Thanks Nick,
It sounds great I will check it out. How does it do
in real cold weather?
say 15 or 20 degrees?
Steve(Red)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nick
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
>
> > Nick that info was great a little out of my range,
I don't know much
about
> > solar. What kind of system do you have? any info
would be great, and
> would
> > maybe benifit others on the list.
> > Thanks,
> > Red
>
> Hi Red,
>
> Right now, we only have the one air heater here, and
one at our daughters
> house. Bill Kreamer's design using furnace filter
material as the
absorber
> and heat to air transfer media is what built ours
from. Each of the two
> that we have built, have cost around $100.
>
> Bill Kreamers air heater design can be found on
Steve Spence's web site,
> follow the link to "Build Your Own Solar Air Heater
- Style 2"
> http://www.webconx.com/2000/solar/solar.htm
>
> This particular design of Bill Kreamers, if
followed, will prove itself.
We
> built to this design for the heater at our daughters
house.
>
> One exception is, we used a differential temperature
controller that I
> modified/built. Bill's design uses a thermal snap
switch, which does not
> activate a blower/fan until the units temp is about
110 dF. The
> differential controller senses the "to be heated
space" and the internal
> temp of the solar heater. If the solar heater is
warmer than the space to
> be heated, it activates the fan/blower. There are
commercial differential
> thermostats available for a around $100 and up. We
were able to build
ours
> for about $15. If you or someone you know can do
some soldering, this
> controller can be built all from Radio Shack parts.
The diagram is at:
> http://www.hctc.com/~njones/solar/tempcontroller.pdf
>
> On the other hand, you can wire in the snap switch
per Bill's plans, for
> about the same price and you don't have to get into
the electronic
> construction.
>
> We also use flexible vinyl film (storm window type
stuff) material for the
> glazings on both instead of rigid glazing. This
material comes in either
4
> or 8 mil, and inexpensive compared to rigid glazing
of any kind. On
> Kreamers design, the air duct in the center of the
unit is sealed across
the
> face with the plexiglass or lexan he is using. On
ours, we put a small
piece
> of rigid plexiglass over just this center duct unit
to force the air to
the
> bottom front of the heater, then just covered the
whole face of the heater
> unit with the flexible film and stapled it around
the perimeter (sealed
with
> silicone sealer).
>
> The one we built for use here at home, is about 30
inches tall X 10 feet
> long. Still using the furnace filter material (spray
painted flat black)
and
> pushing about 150 CFM of air and an outside temp of
40 dF, we saw some
solar
> air heater temps in the 130 dF output range. Cool
house air goes in one
end
> and comes out the other end back into the house,
only warmer.
>
> If you study the information at the link below, you
will find that this is
> probably one of the best designs for getting heat
and hot water, without a
> lot of technology. We are hopefully going to build
one of these before
> winter. We were going to this spring, but things
just got out of hand here
> at home with a lot of other projects. The solar
closet can be built free
> standing, connected to the space or house you are
wanting to heat, or
built
> into the space or house. When take into
consideration the technology of
> just about everything else on the market, or
designed, they either have
> pumps/controls, controls/valves, complicated
plumbing arrangements, or
lots
> of "stuff" on your roof. The maintenance and
operation of all this
"stuff"
> has to be taken into consideration. Not that there
aren't probably a lot
of
> good systems out there, but for me this is the way
to go.
>
> http://www.ece.villanova.edu/~nick/solar/solar.html
>
> Hope this helps some
.nick jones
>
>
| Message 16
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:22:12 -0500
I just priced that stuff 20 bucks a sheet. ouch that
is a lot of board for
1500sq feet. Might have to do it though. That
concrete gets cold. I think
I will put that foam board on the walls though it is 9
or so a sheet for 2
inch, pluss another layer of plastic over the house
just to seal it up.
Looks like an expensive winter.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> No Red,
>
> It isn't foam. It is called styroboard. It is
available in 4x8 sheets.
Works
> well.
>
> Later
.Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> Steve,
> You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
> bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking
about using the foam on
the
> north wall and sealing that in also. The south wall
is still a question.
I
> thought about using that corigated clear plastic as
another layer under
the
> plastic. I kick my self for not running hot water
through the concrete.
Oh
> well live and learn. Either one of these or going to
be expensive. I am
> either going to go with a wood furnace or gas both
are $800 or so The gas
> then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
> insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it last
> winter.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Hi Red,
> >
> > You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
> >
> > I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered with
> > plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
> >
> > I covered my slab in the "farm" with styroboard.
NOT CHEAP! But, neither
> is
> > a system that doesn't work because it is too cold.
These guys are about
> > $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good stuff).
My "farm" maintains
> apprx.
> > 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the only
heatsource being 2
> > 450-watt growlights.
> >
> > I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
> > greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet
floor down now. I will be
> > putting down styroboard and then covering this
with plywood
on top of
> the
> > pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental
heat, I will be running a
> > forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few
feet)
> > away. This will be used for heat when my
growlights (2-1000 watt HPS)
turn
> > off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope this
will be sufficient for
> > winter operation. I will be doing another couple
of smaller things too.
I
> > WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
> >
> > Later my friend
Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
> system
> > thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I
didn't spend the money I
> > should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have
me worried. I am in
> > Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > Hi Red,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days.
Been busy (again!).
> > >
> > > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe
next year.
> > >
> > > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat
is going to be my next
> > > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you located?
> > >
> > > Later
.Steve
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green
house. Just plastic
> covered
> > > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have
the
> > > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Red,
> > > >
> > > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> > > >
> > > > SS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees.
I will let everyone
> know
> > > how
> > > > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate
200 plants by hand. I
am
> > > open
> > > > to any other options. the bees are expensive.
But to the amount of
> > blooms
> > > I
> > > > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of the
> > other
> > > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my problems.
> > Lesson
> > > > learned.
> > > > Red
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have been using and suggesting the use of
a tomato vibrator from
> > > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > See picture below:
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
> > > > >
> > > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more
than a "few" tomato
> > plants.
> > > > We
> > > > > would like to know if anyone has any info on
a more commercial
> tomato
> > > > > pollinator.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that
weighs in oz's. Anyone out
> > there
> > > > got
> > > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at
cost $400+.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would appreciate any input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:16:37 -0500
> "But, I am an honorary Texan. I even hold a Texas
passport
.bought it at
a
> flea market in Houston. Spent several years in the
Wonderful State of
> Tejas."
>
> Later
.Steve
O.K. I think that counts
| Message 18
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:27:44 -0500
I know that styroboard would be an overall better
insulator but at 60-70
cents/sq.ft, could you come up with something
cheaper?,
What if you poured a concrete-light floor ontop of an
existing slab
.maybe
bury your recirc. pipes in the concrete-light top
floor layer
.i.e.,
could you just pour a layer of concrete plus perlite
ontop the existing
slab??
Might be cheaper than styroboard, and
still give you some cost
effective insulation.??
Just a thought
Although the labor to do a pour vs
styroboard
installation, might be cost prohibitive.
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Medlock
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> I just priced that stuff 20 bucks a sheet. ouch
that is a lot of board
for
> 1500sq feet. Might have to do it though. That
concrete gets cold. I
think
> I will put that foam board on the walls though it is
9 or so a sheet for 2
> inch, pluss another layer of plastic over the house
just to seal it up.
> Looks like an expensive winter.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > No Red,
> >
> > It isn't foam. It is called styroboard. It is
available in 4x8 sheets.
> Works
> > well.
> >
> > Later
.Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
> > bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking
about using the foam on
> the
> > north wall and sealing that in also. The south
wall is still a
question.
> I
> > thought about using that corigated clear plastic
as another layer under
> the
> > plastic. I kick my self for not running hot water
through the concrete.
> Oh
> > well live and learn. Either one of these or going
to be expensive. I am
> > either going to go with a wood furnace or gas both
are $800 or so The
gas
> > then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
> > insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it
last
> > winter.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > Hi Red,
> > >
> > > You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
> > >
> > > I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered
with
> > > plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
> > >
> > > I covered my slab in the "farm" with styroboard.
NOT CHEAP! But,
neither
> > is
> > > a system that doesn't work because it is too
cold. These guys are
about
> > > $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good
stuff). My "farm" maintains
> > apprx.
> > > 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the
only heatsource being 2
> > > 450-watt growlights.
> > >
> > > I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
> > > greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet
floor down now. I will
be
> > > putting down styroboard and then covering this
with plywood
on top
of
> > the
> > > pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental
heat, I will be running
a
> > > forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few
> feet)
> > > away. This will be used for heat when my
growlights (2-1000 watt HPS)
> turn
> > > off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope this
will be sufficient
for
> > > winter operation. I will be doing another couple
of smaller things
too.
> I
> > > WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
> > >
> > > Later my friend
Steve
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
> > system
> > > thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I
didn't spend the money I
> > > should have. Thinking about gas. The prices
have me worried. I am in
> > > Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Red,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few
days. Been busy (again!).
> > > >
> > > > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe
next year.
> > > >
> > > > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete
floor
heat is going to be my
next
> > > > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you located?
> > > >
> > > > Later
.Steve
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green
house. Just plastic
> > covered
> > > > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have
> the
> > > > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> > > > Red
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Red,
> > > > >
> > > > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> > > > >
> > > > > SS
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble
bees. I will let everyone
> > know
> > > > how
> > > > > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate
200 plants by hand.
I
> am
> > > > open
> > > > > to any other options. the bees are
expensive. But to the amount of
> > > blooms
> > > > I
> > > > > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of
the
> > > other
> > > > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my problems.
> > > Lesson
> > > > > learned.
> > > > > Red
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > > > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have been using and suggesting the use
of a tomato vibrator
from
> > > > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See picture below:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have
more than a "few" tomato
> > > plants.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > would like to know if anyone has any info
on a more commercial
> > tomato
> > > > > > pollinator.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that
weighs in oz's. Anyone
out
> > > there
> > > > > got
> > > > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at
cost $400+.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would appreciate any input.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:21:57 -0500 (CDT)
Kris You had a close one with that cougar it's said
that they don't
bother humans but after one was seen watching my kids
fight over their
tricycle by my wife one year at our ranch in Arizona.
I got real careful
about them and kept one or two of my disposable and
protective pitts
bulls with them at all times when my kids were out
side because the big
cat kept coming around on a two week circuit .It had 5
1/2 inch pug
marks that is on the upper size limit for a cougar .It
was an old Tom
missing part of one ear and it killed a calf with in
150 yards of my
front door 2 months later as my wife and i slept out
under the stars one
night. Betwen my self and my neighboring rancher that
lived two miles
away over the mountain we've had about 6 cougars come
close to our
houses.
One was eating his 30 house cats when he thought it
was an owl
bothering them and finally was shot one night up in a
apple tree at his
back door .During supper his dog had gone through his
screen door after
something treeing it in the Apple tree . So thinking
that he was
shooting at a skunks eyes glowing in the flash light
he shot the skunk
out of the tree and down falls this big lion dead
.From the supper table
the lion died not more than 15 feet away . It was also
a big old Tom
about 160lbs. all of the rest of the lions killed
stock in our corals
and I trapped them with foot spring snares .By the way
do you still call
critters its always fun . Oh and Bull sharks do come
up rivers world
wide to attack us
Bruce
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:51:28 -0500 (CDT)
Steven Medlock if you dig a trench around your green
house and heavily
insulate it you should than have a big heat sink/floor
combination that
would save heat to radiate back into the green house
on cold nights
.Just a Theoretical Aquaponists thought
Bruce
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:26:55 -0700
Bruce,
Fortunately the water is so cold kids don't go in
past their knees.
surfers were don't in the water at the time. This past
Tuesday, the Coast
Guard made a run along the beach by my house about a
mile from where the
shark incident happened to shoo everyone out of the
water due to a large
dorsal fin in the surf line. I've been in the water
with them and don't wake
up in as cold sweat over them But I won't go out of my
way to swim with them
either.
Mike brought up a point of discussion that is
important here, safety. It
would definitely bring up some lively posts.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
Arlos were the tourists at the beach swimming at the
time ? If so what a
rush a big shark in the water really gets my attention
they are for some
odd reason the only creature that since I was a child
I have had an
unreasoning fear of. I respect most dangerous wild
life but I only fear
Big Sharks. I must have been a sea lion once in a past
life
Bruce
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:30:52 -0700
Kris,
I hate to plant one last fear, sharks do live in
Fresh water. Lake
Nicaragua has a lot of them.
As to Viet Nam, welcome home
USN GM3 Brown Water Navy, Mekong Delta '71-'72
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: kris book
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
>Bruce,
>
>It took me 51 years to find someone that has only one
real fear just like
>mine. As a teenager my favorite pastime was predator
hunting, you know,
>sitting in the dark and calling animals in with a
sound similar to a
>dying rabbit. Well one night while sitting on the
edge of a cliff above a
>game trail, I turned around because something made
the hair on the back
>of my neck stand up. Six inches from my face were the
two biggest yellow
>eyes I have ever seen. I slowly changed the shotgun
to my left hand, drew
>a bead and found out why you don't fire a shotgun at
something that is
>about a foot away. I had cougar blood all over me.
Now, I won't say I
>wasn't scared but, I never lost my grip.
>
>In my year in Viet Nam, I never lost my ability to
react under fire. But,
>I'll never forget that morning that a shark took a
bite out of my buddy's
>surfboard. I swear, I shook for a week and I still
don't like swimming in
>the ocean. Thank God they don't live in fresh water!
>
>kris
>
| Message 23
Subject: RE: Inkjet Refill Kit
From: "billevans"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:45:33 -0700
You get about 4 times the ink over the infomershal
deal-
http://www.nujet.com/refillp.html
-
| Message 24
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:09:54 +0100
Bruce,
> all of the rest of the lions killed stock in our
corals
> and I trapped them with foot spring snares .
What's a "foot spring snare"?
> Oh and Bull sharks do come up rivers world
> wide to attack us
No, they do not.
Barry
barrythomas 'at' btinternet.com
| Message 25
Subject: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
From: "Nick"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:23:44 -0700
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Medlock"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Re: tomato vibrator/scales, now O.T.
> Thanks Nick,
> It sounds great I will check it out. How does it
do in real cold
weather?
> say 15 or 20 degrees?
> Steve(Red)
<<>>
Hi Red,
Don't know, it never got that cold here this past
winter that I remember.
And, we only put ours up at end of February or
beginning of March.
However, Bill Kreamer and Nick Pine both live on the
upper East coast and
expect that if you have any sun, even light cloud
coverage, you will get
some heat from these. NREL will give solar insolation
for your location if
you are in the states, and should be good for some
regions of Canada.
The thing is, if you start crunching numbers, and
engineering it to death,
you will end up not building anything. Kreamers
design was tested back
several years ago by a midwestern university at ~72%
efficient. Even if you
screw up somewhere and it is only half that efficient,
the "fuel" is free.
As you build it, and look at where your heat losses
could be, keep that in
mind for your next (#2) heater construction. For
instance, I used
aluminized tape to cover the bare foam edges, then put
silicone sealer on
that when I covered the heater with the flexible
film
.The aluminum tape
acts as a thermal conductor to the uninsulated outside
of the box, next time
I will not use the aluminum tape on those edges. This
is however the same
heater that I have witnessed 134 degree F air coming
out at ~150 cfm.
If you follow the plans for Kreamers design and use
flexible film you should
be able to build a good "working example" for about
$100 and I am confident
you will be pleased and impressed with the
performance. We had more fun
checking the temp on ours as we had in watching the
new front load washing
machine last year. (Hey, don't scoff, even it is
better than most stuff on
TV ?; ^)
Building one of these in two weekends would be a piece
of cake. Let us know
how you are coming along.
nick
| Message 26
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:30:15 -0700
Barry,
Here is one of many sites showing world wide
distribution of the Bull
shark including fresh water river
distribution.http://www.sharkfeeding.net/bull_sharks.htm
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Thomas
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
>Bruce,
>
>> all of the rest of the lions killed stock in our
corals
>> and I trapped them with foot spring snares .
>
>What's a "foot spring snare"?
>
>> Oh and Bull sharks do come up rivers world
>> wide to attack us
>
>No, they do not.
>
>Barry
>barrythomas 'at' btinternet.com
>
>
>
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:50:35 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos and Kris I've read of bull shark attacks in the
Mississippi,Zambizi,Gangies,Nicaruagua,Mekon,Nile,Tampa,and
Amazon
rivers up to 300 miles from salt water and in both
lake Nicaruagua and
lake Titicaca which is the highest large fresh water
lake in the Andies
mountains so go figure but they dont scare me its the
real big ones that
do.
Bruce
| Message 28
Subject: Fish Scrape injuries => Harvesting methods
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:54:56 -0700
Here are two answers I recieved that may be of
interest especially for
the archives.For those who are on the tilapia list they may have
read one already.
Thank God, I seem to be getting better, and the joint
pain is going
down, but I will keep the watch up. Thanks Bruce for
that advice, you
scored full points with my wife, who is an avid
Neosporin fan!!
She uses it 'specially here in the tropics, where we
need to watch
infections closely. I am now relieved because after
getting some advice
I realised it couldnt be an infection caused from the
fish. I saw some
really nasty looking infections on the web after
looking up the stuff
sent to me
.and I had none of this. I did have one
stab that formed a
bead of pus, along the stab, but I had used a pin to
open it, and
disinfect it. Apart from that I had no real
infections
just this
lingering pain, which is now receding. Since being
married (my wife is
an ER nurse, and she has seen me tinkering
.) I have
gotten current on
my jabs on her demand!! lol :) So my tetanus is
current
.
I think it is more a strain injury from dragging a 300
odd foot seine
net by hand, with a muddy pond bottom at that!!
That takes me to the next point. How are you all
harvesting? Is the
seine net the harvesting method of choice? And how can
a seine net be
dragged more effieciently? Is there a way of wincing
it in? In
interested now
:)
Regards.Mike
JAMAICA
___________________________________________________
Dear Mike :
Re your communication - several possibilities are
open, among
which the following should be considered : (a)
streptococcosis; (b)
mycobacteriosis; (c) Erysipelothrix and/or other
bacterial infections.
Get
yourself checked by a competent physician (with a
lab-based diagnosis if
necessary), as all of these infections are great
potential public health
problems. In the meantime, start using THICK RUBBER
GLOVES if you are
going
to continue handling tilapias. Best of luck.
Gina and David Conroy
___________________________________________________
Hi,
My boss sent me your note about sore joints and
tilapia injuries.
If the tilapia are growing in an outdoor pond and
there is no major sign
of infection in the actual injury, then there is
little chance that your
sore joints are related to the tilapia injuries.
If the tilapia came out of a recirculating system,
then there are two
bacteria that they may carry that could harm you. One
is Streptococcus
inaea. This bug causes red spots and bad eyes in
tilapia. Humans can
get infected but sore joints wouldn't be typical. The
other option is
mycobacteria or "Fish TB." These can infect humans
and will cause
inflammation of joints in peripheral areas like
fingers. It can be
treated with a prolonged course of antibiotics, but
they are fairly
stubborn critters.
My vote: If the fish were in a pond, assume that
something unrelated is
wrong with your joints. If the fish are in a recirc
system, go see your
doctor and tell him that you think you might have fish
TB.
Regards,
Andrew E. Goodwin, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Fish Pathology
___________________________________________________
| Message 29
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:02:20 -0500 (CDT)
Barry My foot snares are Gregersons out of Canada
its called that
because its a metal coiled throw arm that whips the
snare up from the
ground around the leg of the target animal when the
animal steps on the
trigger .The snare is attached to a 15 ft.chain and
drag so it can get
to the brush and tangel up to be dispached later. As
an ADC Damage
control trapper working for the USDA at times. I used
them alot on the
big cats and Black Bears to remove bad ones from the
genepool . I can
explain how to make and use them effectively if you
like or how to
catch just about any thing in any way. Reading sign
is second nature to
me.
Bruce
| Message 30
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales/styroboard
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:19:35 -0700
styroboard is usually installed under ther cement and
only a 4 foot wide strip around the out side perimiter
of a building.
Chris
>I know that styroboard would be an overall better
insulator but at 60-70
>cents/sq.ft, could you come up with something
cheaper?,
>
| Message 31
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:00:44 -0500
HOLY MOLLY RED!!
That stuff is expensive in your neck of the woods! I
did my system, although
expensive, was less than what you are quoting. Talking
about walls, I'm
lost. There is a better way to do this. Meet me in NC
in November and we can
go over this. See my general posting as to the site of
the aquaponics
convention. I'm really, REALLY, looking forward to
this.
Later my friend
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Medlock"
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
I just priced that stuff 20 bucks a sheet. ouch that
is a lot of board for
1500sq feet. Might have to do it though. That
concrete gets cold. I think
I will put that foam board on the walls though it is 9
or so a sheet for 2
inch, pluss another layer of plastic over the house
just to seal it up.
Looks like an expensive winter.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE SPRING
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> No Red,
>
> It isn't foam. It is called styroboard. It is
available in 4x8 sheets.
Works
> well.
>
> Later
.Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Medlock"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:04 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> Steve,
> You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
> bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking
about using the foam on
the
> north wall and sealing that in also. The south wall
is still a question.
I
> thought about using that corigated clear plastic as
another layer under
the
> plastic. I kick my self for not running hot water
through the concrete.
Oh
> well live and learn. Either one of these or going to
be expensive. I am
> either going to go with a wood furnace or gas both
are $800 or so The gas
> then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
> insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it last
> winter.
> Red
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: STEVE SPRING
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
> > Hi Red,
> >
> > You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
> >
> > I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered with
> > plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
> >
> > I covered my slab in the "farm" with styroboard.
NOT CHEAP! But, neither
> is
> > a system that doesn't work because it is too cold.
These guys are about
> > $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good stuff).
My "farm" maintains
> apprx.
> > 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the only
heatsource being 2
> > 450-watt growlights.
> >
> > I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
> > greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet
floor down now. I will be
> > putting down styroboard and then covering this
with plywood
on top of
> the
> > pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental
heat, I will be running a
> > forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few
feet)
> > away. This will be used for heat when my
growlights (2-1000 watt HPS)
turn
> > off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope this
will be sufficient for
> > winter operation. I will be doing another couple
of smaller things too.
I
> > WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
> >
> > Later my friend
Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
> system
> > thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I
didn't spend the money I
> > should have. Thinking about gas. The prices have
me worried. I am in
> > Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
> > Red
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: STEVE SPRING
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> >
> >
> > > Hi Red,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few days.
Been busy (again!).
> > >
> > > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe
next year.
> > >
> > > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete floor
heat
is going to be my next
> > > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you located?
> > >
> > > Later
.Steve
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green
house. Just plastic
> covered
> > > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have
the
> > > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse walls.
> > > Red
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Red,
> > > >
> > > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
> > > >
> > > > SS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble bees.
I will let everyone
> know
> > > how
> > > > it goes. There was no way I could pollinate
200 plants by hand. I
am
> > > open
> > > > to any other options. the bees are expensive.
But to the amount of
> > blooms
> > > I
> > > > am loosing worth it. I have started with 30
plants way ahead of the
> > other
> > > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my problems.
> > Lesson
> > > > learned.
> > > > Red
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: STEVE SPRING
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
> > > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have been using and suggesting the use of
a tomato vibrator from
> > > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
> > > > >
> > > > > See picture below:
> > > > >
> > > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
> > > > >
> > > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have more
than a "few" tomato
> > plants.
> > > > We
> > > > > would like to know if anyone has any info on
a more commercial
> tomato
> > > > > pollinator.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that
weighs in oz's. Anyone out
> > there
> > > > got
> > > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at
cost $400+.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would appreciate any input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
| Message 32
Subject: Aquaponics Convention
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:04:39 -0500
Did I miss this somewhere? I'm surprised that no one
has posted this website
concerning the convention. Take a look. Looks really,
really nice.
http://www.greatsmokies.com/index.htm
See ya'll in "The Carolinas" in November!!
Later
.Steve
| Message 33
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 23:04:38 -0600
How about shredded newspaper treated with Boric Acid.?
Marc
STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> HOLY MOLLY RED!!
>
> That stuff is expensive in your neck of the woods! I
did my system, although
> expensive, was less than what you are quoting.
Talking about walls, I'm
> lost. There is a better way to do this. Meet me in
NC in November and we can
> go over this. See my general posting as to the site
of the aquaponics
> convention. I'm really, REALLY, looking forward to
this.
>
> Later my friend
Steve
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