Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/09/01
Message 1: Re: Floor Insulation
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 2: Links not working
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 3: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from Troa9 'at' aol.com
Message 4: Re: Floor Insulation
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 5: newbie
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 6: Re: newbie
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 7: Florida
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 8: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 9: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "bennett"
Message 10: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 11: Re: Floor Insulation
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 12: Re: Florida
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 13: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
from "F.Carl Uhland"
Message 14: Florida
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 15: fish scrape
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 16: RE: Florida
from "Lieu, Phuong"
Message 17: Re: Florida
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 18: alellopathy
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 19: Re: alellopathy
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 20: Re: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 21: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
from Bill Patrick
Message 22: Re: alellopathy
from "TGTX"
Message 23: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 24: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing
Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit
from "TGTX"
Message 25: Continued off topic messages
from "Robby Richards"
Message 26: Re: Archive
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 27: Re: Continued off topic messages
from "Arlos"
Message 28: Re: off topic Shark message
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 29: Re: off topic Shark message
from "Arlos"
Message 30: Re: Shark Attack
from "MävêrìÇK"
Message 31: RE: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing
Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 32: Re: alellopathy
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 33: Re: off topic Shark message
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 34: Re: Continued off topic messages
from kris book
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:45:28 +0200
Hi Chris
What depth does your foam extend to? What thickness
and quality foam did
you use?
Water is a good conductor of heat and moist soil, as
is ever present below a
tunnel, will conduct heat flow in all directions =
heat loss. I understand
the point that the heat will be stopped from moving
sideways by insulating
as Bruce suggested, but why should it not move
downwards? This is not
convection we are debating, but conduction.
Regards,
Leslie
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jeppesen
To:
Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
> Leslie
> Heat will mostly rise with only some sideways from
conduction and even
less down. It's just a law writen before time.
> My foam is in the trench on the side walls.
> chris
>
> > "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Re: Floor InsulationDate: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 08:00:42
+0200
> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> >
> >Hi Bruce
> >
> >Why should the heat move laterally and not down?
Surely the insulation
> >would have to be below the floor to prevent
vertical heat loss?
> >
> >Regards,
> > Leslie
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bruce Schreiber
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, 07 July, 2001 11:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
> >
> >
> >> Steven Medlock if you dig a trench around your
green house and heavily
> >> insulate it you should than have a big heat
sink/floor combination that
> >> would save heat to radiate back into the green
house on cold nights
> >> .Just a Theoretical Aquaponists thought
> >> Bruce
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 2
Subject: Links not working
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:39:08 -0700
David Atkinson wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carolyn Hoagland
> To: ; Alex McGregor
>
> snip ,
. snip
>
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:36 PM
> Subject: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
>
> > It looks kind of like the liquid piston pump at
the top of this page:
> >
> >
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm:
> >
>
> Reply:
>
> The above website could not be located on the
server.
>
> David A
> (Jamaica W.I.)
>
>
Whenever a link doesnt come up blue, (hyperlinked
.)
look for a
mistake
if even a word, letter, or in this case a
colon follows the
link, it will nullify the effect of it coming up as a
link.
Try
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
!
as opposed to
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
!
Hehheehe
Ohh the hacker in me
. :>
See ya,
Mike.
| Message 3
Subject: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: Troa9 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:47:02 EDT
Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any
success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant Hybrid
Blue Gill,,,I am in
South Florida,,very warm here,,, Jason
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:01:31 -0700
Leslie
I used 1" (blue construction grade nofoil) foam down 2
feet because I divided the the square feet in to my
check book aand got all I could aford. $20 a sheet
here in central Utah.
If I money was no concern at all I would have used 2"
down four feet.
Most places in a temperat climate the soil 4' deep
will be about 40 degrees farinheit. a this is a
sufficient buffer from the out side temp.
I have a 20 X 40 steel hoop house with 2 800 gal.
tanks and 10 4X8 X1 growbeds. I errected it in
November and got water in one Nod in December. After I
had the pumps going about 10 dec. my ait temp never
fell below 40 F and my water never went below 50 F.
I am hopeing to to better this winter with water in
both nodes and a little summer heat in the soil.
Chris
>What depth does your foam extend to? What thickness
and quality foam did
>you use?
>
| Message 5
Subject: newbie
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:14:38 -0400
Hello everyone, I'm new here, in the mail group. I am
not presently in the
aquaponics business,but trying to decide if I want to
take the plunge. Any
input would be of help, ie minimum size for a
profitable operation, crops
that work well, etc.
My setup will be in Florida.
I know that my question is so broad that books could
be filled with the info
I am looking for, but I am just starting my research
and any direction would
be of help.
Thanks, Bob
| Message 6
Subject: Re: newbie
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:24:46 -0400
At 09:14 AM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>> My setup will be in Florida.
>I know that my question is so broad that books could
be filled with the info
>I am looking for, but I am just starting my research
and any direction would
>be of help.
> Thanks, Bob
>
>
Where in Florida?
.Emmett
| Message 7
Subject: Florida
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:36:45 -0400
I am presently looking for some property around the
Ft. Myers area. I am in
Louisville KY now. I lived in fla.from '81- '95 now
ready to move back
| Message 8
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:13:33 -0500
Hi Jason,
I'm up north in Indiana but I'm getting ready to try
the
hybrid bluegill on a small scale. I've nothing
against
tilapia
.great fish for aquaculture
.I just wanted
to
try the bluegill which is a very popular sportfish and
great eating.
Mark
This is to a white paper on the status and needs of
sunfish
aquaculture in the north central region.
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/ncrac/wpapers/sunfish32900.htm
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "bennett"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:17:12 -0400
>hybrid bluegill on a small scale. I've nothing
against
>tilapia
.great fish for aquaculture
.I just wanted
to
>try the bluegill which is a very popular sportfish
and
>
About how long does it take to grow out bluegill for
decent pan fish?
| Message 10
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:32:35 -0500
>About how long does it take to grow out bluegill for
decent pan fish?
I'm not sure. Some of the hybrids grow pretty fast
and devour pellet food. I suspect a difference in
the hybrid strains too. The link Steve (I think)
posted to Ken's fishfarm in Georgia had some nice
ones. The thing for me is they are readily available
here in smaller quantities. I doubt if the hybrids
will match the tilapia but should reach market weight
of 1/2 pound in a growing season. Can the slower
growth
rate be offset by a higher price for the product? I'd
like to find out. The hydrid bluegill is recognizable
by name to most where tilapia isn't YET in some areas.
I read somewhere that some were marketing tilapia as
african bluegill
.lol. This is illegal and was
stopped.
Anyhow, growth rates are something I will be watching
closely.
ever see a 5 lb hydrid bluegill?
http://www.kens-fishfarm.com/georgia_giant.asp
Mark
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:21:43 +0200
Hi Chris
I look forward to hearing your results next season.
40°F (4°C) is about
20°C too cool for me, my outside temperature really
drops to 4°C.
Have fun,
Leslie
> Leslie
> I used 1" (blue construction grade nofoil) foam down
2 feet because I
divided the the square feet in to my check book aand
got all I could aford.
$20 a sheet here in central Utah.
> If I money was no concern at all I would have used
2" down four feet.
> Most places in a temperat climate the soil 4' deep
will be about 40
degrees farinheit. a this is a sufficient buffer from
the out side temp.
> I have a 20 X 40 steel hoop house with 2 800 gal.
tanks and 10 4X8 X1
growbeds. I errected it in November and got water in
one Nod in December.
After I had the pumps going about 10 dec. my ait temp
never fell below 40 F
and my water never went below 50 F.
> I am hopeing to to better this winter with water in
both nodes and a
little summer heat in the soil.
> Chris
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Florida
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:46:12 -0400
At 09:36 AM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>I am presently looking for some property around the
Ft. Myers area. I am in
>Louisville KY now. I lived in fla.from '81- '95 now
ready to move back
>
>
OK Robert. My greenhouse is in Palm Harbor just north
of Clearwater. It's
down now. Daytime temps running 110F. I'll be
seeding at the end of the
month. Transplanting in Sept. for a late Nov.
harvest. C'mon by sometime
on your way south. Just let me know. Check out the
Pine Island area.
Don't know about property prices but fishing is great.
Hooked four tarpon
over 120lb Memorial Day weekend (ah didn't land any
though).
Emmett
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
From: "F.Carl Uhland"
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:51:22 -0400
Mike,
There are a number of bacteria that hang out on fish,
and can act as=20
zoonoses (diseases transferred from animal to man) in
just the way you=20
describe. I would go have a chin-wag with your doctor
to be on the safe=
side.
Carl
and see if some antibiotherapy might be in order. If
he tells you it's=20
just the flu, At 14:26 06-07-01 -0700, you wrote:
>Has anyone any ideas or experiences with infections
from fish fin
>jabs/sticks/pokes that they could share?
>
>After handling a lot of fish last week and getting
stabbed a few times
>Ive now had pain in my hand-joints for a week. Im not
sure if this is
>from the seine net, or from a flu-like bug going
around, but I do recall
>a news article in Canada re infections caused by fish
store owners
>getting stabbed by fish fins, can anyone share some
thoughts please??
>
>I think this aspect of job safety may be an
interesting discussion
>point??!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>JAMAICA
F. Carl Uhland, DVM
Facult=E9 M=E9decine V=E9t=E9rinaire
University of Montreal
3200 rue Sicotte
Saint-Hyacinthe (Qu=E9bec) J2S 7C6
T=E9l: 450-773-8521; ext: 8317
Fax: 450-778-8116
Carl.F.Uhland 'at' umontreal.ca
| Message 14
Subject: Florida
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:08:39 -0400
I used to stay on Pine island some, south end St.
James City, have done lots
of fishing in Boca Grande Pass. Great tarpon there.
What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
winter and shade house in summer?
I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
ornamentals
| Message 15
Subject: fish scrape
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:14:10 -0400
I have done some commercial fishing in gulf of mexico.
We would get what we
called fish poisoning, would be open septic sores, the
docter told me it was
staph. and would treat with antibiotics. We were
grouper fishing.
| Message 16
Subject: RE: Florida
From: "Lieu, Phuong"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:18:23 -0700
for some reason, I am on your mailing list.
Can you please remove my name?
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rogers [mailto:bigwahoo 'at' bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:09 PM
To: aquaponics mail group
Subject: Florida
I used to stay on Pine island some, south end St.
James City, have done lots
of fishing in Boca Grande Pass. Great tarpon there.
What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
winter and shade house in summer?
I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
ornamentals
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Florida
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:34:59 -0400
At 03:08 PM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>
> What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
>winter and shade house in summer?
>I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
>veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
>ornamentals
Your questions are too deep, the answers too long.
Better to drop by and
observe. I can grow anything. But I encountered
allelopathy. A term I
never knew until it hit me. C'mon by. Oh, by the
way, we got our tarpon
on the Peace River south of Burnt Store.
.Emmett
| Message 18
Subject: alellopathy
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:06:11 -0400
Could you please expand on this subject? Which crops
released the toxins
and which crops were suppressed?
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| Message 19
Subject: Re: alellopathy
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:04:01 -0400
At 04:06 PM 7/9/2001 -0400,
Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com wrote:
>
>Could you please expand on this subject? Which crops
released the toxins
>and which crops were suppressed?
Good question. Besides tomatoes, I had : D'Avignon
radish, watercress,
shungiku, and sorrel. My tomatoes didn't grow well
and I had severe algae
problems in the fish tank. Removing these plants,
planting basil, and
putting in great quantities of fish emulsion (to get
the bacteria cookin')
the system cleared up. Without the requisite
biochemistry needed, I
suspect the watercress. 'Nasturtium'. It grew like
crazy. {Tom &
Paula----see what you've gotten me into?}. Besides
the tomatoes the other
three didn't do all that great but OK. But the cress
went ballistic. As
an aside you are obviously a "tinkerer". Hmmm,
internet searches are
wonderful. I was the photogrophy editor on my junior
college paper. It
just goes with the territory.
I think it's allelopathy not alellopathy. Perhaps
you're correct. I don't
have a botanical dictionary. But allelomorphism
describes mutually
incompatible characters or qualities.
Are we having a good time or what?
Adriana
Tedzo
.comments?
Emmett
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:07:12 -0500
This is very close to the swamp cooler I am using in
my greenhouse. Just
more effecient.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler
> Completely Portable, on 4 casters. 8" thick pads
for greater temperature
> drops, up to 28 degrees cooler. High air
volume
.up to 10,000 CFM yet
> quiet.
>
> http://www.cool-space.com 1-800-557-5715
>
>
>
>
| Message 21
Subject: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:38:40 -0400
Way to go Carolyn! Two questions:
1. What did you use for your check valves (or "ball
valves" as called in
the diagram)?
2. What size PVC did you use?
Thanks,
Bill
Carolyn Hoagland wrote:
>
> It looks kind of like the liquid piston pump at the
top of this page:
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
>
> Carolyn Hoagland
> Sewanee, TN
| Message 22
Subject: Re: alellopathy
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:11:42 -0500
Uh, allellopathy
well let's see
when I was an
undergrad
decades
ago
back before Ned was a pup
I did some
studies on the inhibition of
seed germination in an experiment with serial
concentrations of Gallic Acid,
which is a known allelleopathic agent exuded by roots
of some plants, and
which can give the established plant a competitive
edge against the seeds of
broadcast invasive plants coming 'round the
neighborhood and taking over the
established plants' territory.
Which gives me another opportunity to rant and rave
about the ability of
plant roots to exchange at least medium sized organic
molecules. That's a
potential 2 way exchange, folks. If plant roots can
leak up to 20% of the
plants photosynthate products
.and some of their
metabolic
byproducts
like Malic Acid, and Gallic Acid,
etc, then who among
us can say that some of the at least medium sized
organic compounds in the
soil or the growth media can't go the opposite
direction and eventually
provide nutrients to the plant? Eh?
I have read that you shouldn't grow dill next to
anything. This whole
companion planting thing seems to indicate that plant
roots can exude
certain biochemicals which inhibit or support other,
very different kinds of
plants
if that is the case, then doesn't it lend
credence to the notion
that endomycorhizzae and bacteria etc are actively
exchanging all kinds of
organics with the plant for perhaps mutual benefit?
Eh?
Ted
>
> Are we having a good time or what?
Adriana
Tedzo
.comments?
>
Emmett
>
| Message 23
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:24:22 -0500 (CDT)
Mark were in Indiana are you located
Bruce
| Message 24
Subject: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing Ranting:
Federal Wind Farm tax credit
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:30:44 -0500
Yeah, folks here it is
one of my favorite
subjects
.Farm
Power
People Power
Local Power
.Home Rule.
Just try to stuff me in a labeled box if you wish, but
check out the bill
and see if it appeals to you
.Wind Power is Cool.
>a newly introduced
> bill in the federal Congress, HR 2322, the "Home and
Farm Wind Systems
> Act
> of 2001". This bill has been introduced by Rep. J.C.
Watts, Jr (R-OK),
> and
> three other co-sponsors
> If you have any questions regarding this email,
please email Jeff D.Wofe
at
> global 'at' sover.net, with the term HR 2322 in the
Subject line.
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeffery D. Wolfe, P.E.
> Chair - Renewable Energy Vermont
> 802-299-0099 REV's Phone
> 802-765-4632 Jeff's Phone
> 802-765-9983 Jeff's Fax
> global 'at' sover.net - Jeff's email
> http://www.REVermont.org
> MORE INFO
>
> Last week Rep. J.C. Watts, Jr (R-OK) and three other
Congressmen
> introduced
> HR 2322, the Home and Farm Wind Energy Systems Act
of 2001. HR 2322
> would
> provide a 30% federal tax credit to individuals and
businesses that
> install
> small wind energy systems (up to 75 kW) during the
next ten years. The
> credit would cover both on-grid and off-grid
systems. The timing of HR
> 2322 is good because the U.S. House of
Representatives will start
> preparing
> an energy bill within the next few weeks.
>Background information, the AWEA press release, a
link to the
> bill
> language, can be found
> through the Bergey Windpower home page,
http://www.bergey.com.
| Message 25
Subject: Continued off topic messages
From: "Robby Richards"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:59:43 -0700
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Since the subject has been brought up, I completely
agree that there is w=
ay too much personal ranting going on. It is great if
friends keep in tou=
ch by emailing each other, but it is best served via a
private message so=
that other people's time is not wasted sorting
through messages trying t=
o sort out the BS from informative messages on the
topic of the list-Aqua=
ponics.
Please post personal messages elsewhere for the good
of the entire group.
Thank you,
Robby Richards =20
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Thompson
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin stuff
=20
Hi Paula:
Thanks SO MUCH for sending this note.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of control with the non-Aquaponics topics.
Best Regards,
Al
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
> Have had little time lately to read, much less post
to the group -- but=
we
> really need to "tune-up" our postings to keep the
list readable for eve=
ryone.
>
> Please change the subject line to reflect your topic
-- it seldom is do=
ne,
> and that's why we have so many problems searching
for that elusive bit =
of
> info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle it,
it's always a
> needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
> Please try to reduce the amount of quoted text from
previous posts when
> sending your new message. One or two lines of your
own should really o=
nly
> apply to a small portion of the post to which you
are replying. Since =
we've
> all just read the previous post, we really don't
need it all repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another list -- for
those new to the inte=
rnet
> and/or discussion groups, it's certainly worth a
read.
>
> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate this group so much, and have enjoyed
ALL the recent topics
> (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean). Thanks
for keeping the lis=
t so
> interesting!
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains,
MO 65775 417-256-51=
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> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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DIV>Since the subject has been brought up,
I completely agree that t=
here is way too much personal ranting going on. It is
great if friends ke=
ep in touch by emailing each other, but it is best
served via a private m=
essage so that other people's time is not wasted
sorting through messages=
trying to sort out the BS from informative messages
on the topic of the =
list-Aquaponics. Please
post personal messag=
es elsewhere for the good of the entire group.
Thank you, Robby
Richards
----- Original Message ----- From:
Al Thompson =
Sent: Sunday,
July 08, 2001 9:31 P=
M To:
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=
Subject:
Re: Admin stuff Hi Paula: Thanks SO MUCH
for sending this not=
e. Some of the participants were really
getting out of control with=
the non-Aquaponics topics. Best
Regards, Al S & S A=
qua Farm wrote: > Have had little time
lately to read, much les=
s post to the group -- but we > really need to
"tune-up" our postin=
gs to keep the list readable for
everyone. > > Please change =
the subject line to reflect your topic -- it seldom is
done, > and =
that's why we have so many problems searching for that
elusive bit of =
> info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle
it, it's always a =
> needle-in-a-haystack search. > >
Please try to reduce th=
e amount of quoted text from previous posts
when > sending your new=
message. One or two lines of your own should
really only > a=
pply to a small portion of the post to which you are
replying. Sinc=
e we've > all just read the previous post, we
really don't need it =
all repeated. > > I came across this
website on another list =
-- for those new to the internet > and/or
discussion groups, it's c=
ertainly worth a read. > >
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/<=
BR>> > I appreciate this group so much, and
have enjoyed ALL the=
recent topics > (even if I won't go swimming in
the ocean). =
Thanks for keeping the list so >
interesting! > > Paula=
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820,
West Plains, MO 65775&=
nbsp; 417-256-5124 > Web page
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| Message 26
Subject: Re: Archive
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:25:15 -0500
At 10:39 PM 07/05/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Just looked at the archive web site that Marc sent
and noticed that the
>archive stopped after December 2000. Does anyone know
where the rest is?
>
>Pete
>Langley, BC
Pete - building the archive files is done on a
volunteer basis, and neither
the webmaster nor I have been able to bring things
current
.just yet.
Life has a way of interfering with the "best laid
plans".
My suggestion is that you post any specific questions
you have, preferably
one topic at a time, and let's see what the list
members have to contribute.
I'm always surprised at the changes that have come
about through the various
members' experiences
.one of the reasons why I'm
not necessarily in favor
of a FAQ page. There have been very few exceptions
where questions were not
addressed, and I think it's healthy for the list to
re-address some basic
issues from time to time.
I'm aware that there are automatic archiving programs
that can be used, but
have not been able to address this subject yet. When
it comes down to it,
given the recent "ownership" discussions I've read on
other lists, I'm not
certain that I'd be comfortable with just placing the
archives just anywhere.
Bottom line is -- if you have a question, please post
it. Our membership is
around 450 now, and I'm continually amazed at the
background and expertise
represented here. That's one of the reasons I don't
discourage some of the
off-topic postings --- I think we learn so much about
the backgrounds of
those contributing that we wouldn't necessarily see
otherwise.
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:41:33 -0700
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Robby,
I can't remember ever having read that this was a
strictly technical =
board. I for one mix personal as well as technical as
aquaponics is as =
much vocation as avocation. As for BS? I'll leave my
personal comment =
for you on a private email.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Robby Richards
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Continued off topic messages
=20
=20
=20
Since the subject has been brought up, I
completely agree that there =
is way too much personal ranting going on. It is great
if friends keep =
in touch by emailing each other, but it is best served
via a private =
message so that other people's time is not wasted
sorting through =
messages trying to sort out the BS from informative
messages on the =
topic of the list-Aquaponics.
=20
Please post personal messages elsewhere for the
good of the entire =
group.
=20
Thank you,
=20
Robby Richards=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Thompson
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin stuff
=20
Hi Paula:
=20
Thanks SO MUCH for sending this note.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of control with the non-Aquaponics topics.
=20
Best Regards,
Al
=20
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
=20
> Have had little time lately to read, much
less post to the =
group -- but we
> really need to "tune-up" our postings to
keep the list =
readable for everyone.
>
> Please change the subject line to reflect
your topic -- it =
seldom is done,
> and that's why we have so many problems
searching for that =
elusive bit of
> info in the posts we save -- unless we
retitle it, it's always =
a
> needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
> Please try to reduce the amount of quoted
text from previous =
posts when
> sending your new message. One or two lines
of your own should =
really only
> apply to a small portion of the post to
which you are =
replying. Since we've
> all just read the previous post, we really
don't need it all =
repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another list
-- for those new to =
the internet
> and/or discussion groups, it's certainly
worth a read.
>
> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate this group so much, and have
enjoyed ALL the =
recent topics
> (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean).
Thanks for =
keeping the list so
> interesting!
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West
Plains, MO 65775 =
417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Robby,
I can't remember ever
having read that =
this was a=20
strictly technical board. I for one mix personal as
well as technical as =
aquaponics is as much vocation as avocation. As for
BS? I'll leave my =
personal=20
comment for you on a private
email
.
Arlos
-----Original
=
Message-----
From:=20
Robby Richards <robbyrichards 'at' msn.com>
To:=20
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
<aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
=
Date:=20
Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject:
Continued off =
topic=20
messages
Since the subject has been brought up,
I completely agree =
that=20
there is way too much personal ranting going on.
It is great if =
friends keep=20
in touch by emailing each other, but it is best
served via a private =
message=20
so that other people's time is not wasted sorting
through messages =
trying to=20
sort out the BS from informative messages on the
topic of the=20
list-Aquaponics.
Please post personal messages elsewhere for
the good of the =
entire=20
group.
Thank you,
Robby Richards
----- Original
Message =
-----
From:=20
Al Thompson
Sent:
Sunday, July 08, =
2001 9:31=20
PM
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin =
stuff
Hi Paula:
Thanks SO
MUCH for sending =
this=20
note.
Some of the participants were really
getting
out of =
control=20
with the non-Aquaponics topics.
Best =
Regards,
Al
S=20
& S Aqua Farm wrote:
> Have had
little time lately =
to=20
read, much less post to the group -- but
we
> really need =
to=20
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list readable for=20
everyone.
>
> Please change the
subject line to =
reflect your=20
topic -- it seldom is done,
> and that's
why we have so =
many=20
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of
> info in the =
posts we=20
save -- unless we retitle it, it's always
a
> =
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>
> Please try to reduce
the amount of =
quoted text=20
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> sending your
new message. =
One or=20
two lines of your own should really
only
> apply to a =
small=20
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replying. Since =
we've
>=20
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don't need it all=20
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>
> I came across this
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list --=20
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> and/or
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it's=20
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>
>=20
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
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this=20
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topics
> =
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for keeping the =
list=20
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> interesting!
>
>
Paula
> S&S =
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| Message 28
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:32:46 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos I feel bad about the Bull Shark discussion
that we had the
other day it seems that a young boy was attacked in 2
feet of water down
around Florida by a shark when on a family outing
Yesterday and it bit
his arm off and bit him in the inner thigh bleeding
him out His Uncle
got the shark to shore and of course it had to be a
Bull shark. You know
I think down on the gulf coast the Bull sharks are
changing their
feeding habits to include the very numerous though
nocturnal Nutria much
like the Great Whites feed on seals .The Nutria get
about 30 lbs. and a
shark thats been eating them for a while might mistake
a person for one
.What do you think.
Bruce
| Message 29
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:55:35 -0700
Bruce,
I'll reply off the board as this seems to have
created some anger here
over off topic subjects. Heck, I figure anything water
related was fair
game.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
Arlos I feel bad about the Bull Shark discussion
that we had the
other day it seems that a young boy was attacked in 2
feet of water down
around Florida by a shark when on a family outing
Yesterday and it bit
his arm off and bit him in the inner thigh bleeding
him out His Uncle
got the shark to shore and of course it had to be a
Bull shark. You know
I think down on the gulf coast the Bull sharks are
changing their
feeding habits to include the very numerous though
nocturnal Nutria much
like the Great Whites feed on seals .The Nutria get
about 30 lbs. and a
shark thats been eating them for a while might mistake
a person for one
.What do you think.
Bruce
| Message 30
Subject: Re: Shark Attack
From: "MävêrìÇK"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
hi all,
I just saw this headline today just before
reading the shark thread that has been circulating on
the group for the past few days. Now, an 8 year old
kid got hit in knee deepwater by a 7' bull shark and
had his arm torn off. Follow the links you see on that
headline page for those interested in knowing more.
I just hope noone goes out and starts killing sharks,
we go into their territory so we gotta play by their
rules, by showing respect and staying out of their way
and letting them live how they were made to without
human intervention(shark diving adventures, feeding
trips, chumming, etc)
As time goes by fish harvests from geographic regions
where sharks live actually deprive them of their food
sources. This spells trouble, shark attacks are only
going to increase.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010709/us/shark_attack.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010709/ts/life_shark_dc_2.html
I have seen a documentary on I think on either.
discovery
travel channel
or national geographic
or E!
at some point in time and watched many
others
I like nature basically especially anything
about aquatic life.
here goes: A dare devil photographer can get great
white sharks to take "upward dives" and somersaults
just like they make killer whales and the "flipper
dolphins" so at the seaquariums. You see some big
bloated great white shark posing for the camera
.teeth and all. If anyone wants to really know I can
tell them what I saw.
I think it's important for everyone to know that
sharks don't know the difference between a person that
holds food for them or one that doesn't
they simply
see all as one
.FOOD it's the same way for
crocodiles, that don't know the difference.
I have even read of cases recently (www.bbc.co.uk)
where people in lake malawi have an increasing fear
and rate of croc attacks
read all about the sharks
I am not sure if anyone
posted this already but nevertheless take a look.
http://www.sharkfeeding.net/index1.html
http://www.sharkfeeding.net/bull_sharks.htm
sory about the long post.
Jai
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| Message 31
Subject: RE: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing
Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:23:13 -0500
>Just try to stuff me in a labeled box if you wish,
but check out the bill
and see if it appeals to you
.Wind Power is Cool.
Ted,
I hope the bill goes through
.thanks for posting
it. I'm emailing my elected officials. The only
energy crisis is one made by politics and greed.
Let's say a farmer here in Indiana is an independant
kind of guy. His home and buildings are heated by
the corn he grows. Now he wants to harvest the wind
to run his well, lights and aquaponics
equipment
maybe
share the excess with his neighbor. Indiana's
netmetering
law will let him deduct the amount produced from
the amount consumed up to 1000kw hours. The rest is
DONATED back to the utility so they can sell it to
his neighbor. Minnesota is the only state I am
aware of where it's utilities have to pay it's
netmetering
customers the retail rate. Things have to change.
I read recently where our excess sugar crop is going
to be used to produce ethanol. Every year, millions
of bushels of corn rot that could produce fuel. If
George
Washington, George Washington Carver, Thomas
Jefferson, etc.
would have had their way, things would be a lot
different
today. Hopefully, soon farmers will be harvesting
more
than food
they will be harvesting energy.
ya shouldn't have got me started, Ted.Mark
| Message 32
Subject: Re: alellopathy
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:33:06 -0700
Could we start a list here, can be featured later on a
FAQ page
somewhere
. of all the plant that act
allelomorphically??
Ted wrote;
I have read that you shouldn't grow dill next to
anything.
Ok, so here goes the list. Please fill in more.Didnt someone on the list have problems too with this
recently??
1. Dill, acts XYZ (ically) on Y. (in this case all?
plants as Ted
suggests.
Peggy & Emmett wrote:
D'Avignon radish, watercress,
> shungiku, and sorrel. My tomatoes didn't grow well
and I had severe algae problems in the fish tank.
Removing these plants, planting basil, and putting in
great quantities of fish emulsion (to get the bacteria
cookin') the system cleared up.
snip
But allelomorphism describes mutually
> incompatible characters or qualities.
>
| Message 33
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:47:28 -0700
Arlos
Isn't a shark some kind of fish or something.
a reply is not needed.
| Message 34
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:55:31 -0600
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IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as it has
been stated many
times before, let's have a little tolerance for the
gifted folks that
give so much good energy. If a member gets out of
hand, it should be
handled as it comes along, not just start making
rules. Lord knows we
already have more rules than we need. I am on about 8
different lists and
every one has some posts that other folks don't think
are appropriate.
This list is truly unique because there is a core
group that are willing
to share a plethora of information. I suggest that
things are running at
better than 90% efficiency, and I think that is a
pretty good rating. If
it aint broke
.
If someone proves to be offensive to you, try learning
what their
designation is and hit the delete button each time you
recognize who is
posting. In my mind it is better to have a couple of
folks that are a
little off center, than to lose even one creative mind
that is turned off
by rules and regulations. Off topic posts will never
go away, so why take
the same energy to complain as it takes to delete a
100 messages. And
there is no telling how much damage is done by one
member is calling
another's views BS. I am sure that there is no good
reason to make such a
judgement. If it's too tough for one member to single
out another, call
me, I'm not afraid of nothing, except sharks and
Bruce's pit bulls. I'm
also sure that anyone who is socially sensitive will
cease these crimes,
right Steve??
kris book
krisbook 'at' juno.com
(719) 565-2056
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IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as it
has been stated many=
=20
times before, let's have a little tolerance for the
gifted folks that give =
so=20
much good energy. If a member gets out of hand, it
should be handled as it =
comes=20
along, not just start making rules. Lord knows we
already have more rules =
than=20
we need. I am on about 8 different lists and every one
has some posts that =
other=20
folks don't think are appropriate. This list is truly
unique because there =
is a=20
core group that are willing to share a plethora of
information. I suggest =
that=20
things are running at better than 90% efficiency, and
I think that is a =
pretty=20
good rating. If it aint broke
.
If someone proves to be offensive to you, try
learning what their=20
designation is and hit the delete button each time you
recognize who is =
posting.=20
In my mind it is better to have a couple of folks that
are a little off =
center,=20
than to lose even one creative mind that is turned off
by rules and =
regulations.=20
Off topic posts will never go away, so why take the
same energy to complain=
as=20
it takes to delete a 100 messages. And there is no
telling how much damage =
is=20
done by one member is calling another's views BS. I am
sure that there is =
no=20
good reason to make such a judgement. If it's too
tough for one member to =
single=20
out another, call me, I'm not afraid of nothing,
except sharks and Bruce's =
pit=20
bulls. I'm also sure that anyone who is socially
sensitive will cease these=
=20
crimes, right Steve??
kris book
(719) 565-2056
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