Aquaponics Digest - Tue 07/10/01
Message 1: Re: Archive
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 2: unsubscribe
from "Arlos"
Message 3: Re: unsubscribe
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 4: Re: unsubscribe
from Al Thompson
Message 5: Re: alellopathy
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 6: Re: alellopathy
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 7: Re: unsubscribe
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 8: Re: unsubscribe
from "TGTX"
Message 9: Re: Continued off topic messages
from Jim
Message 10: A bit of education . from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 11: Commerical facility available . from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 12: RE: unsubscribe
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 13: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "billevans"
Message 14: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
from "bennett"
Message 15: RE: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
from "billevans"
Message 16: List problems and concerns
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 17: RE: dealing with solids
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 18: Re: unsubscribe
from kris book
Message 19: Isolite -porous ceramic
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 20: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 21: RE: Dill yields
from "billevans"
Message 22: Re: unsubscribe
from "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Message 23: RE: Isolite -porous ceramic
from "billevans"
Message 24: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 25: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 26: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 27: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "billevans"
Message 28: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
from kris book
Message 29: RE: Isolite -porous ceramic
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 30: Re: Commerical facility available . from Lamar Zabielski
Message 31: Space age fertilizer
from kris book
Message 32: Re: Commercial facility available . from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 33: RE: Commercial facility available . from "Richard & Faye"
Message 34: RE: Commercial facility available . from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 35: RE: Commercial facility available . from "Richard & Faye"
Message 36: Greenhouse source
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 37: Re: Greenhouse source
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 38: Re: Greenhouse source
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 39: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 40: $100 Greenhouse?
from Sandman198 'at' aol.com
Message 41: Re: $100 Greenhouse?
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 42: RE: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
from "Richard & Faye"
Message 43: Re: $100 Greenhouse?
from Mike Davey
Message 44: RE: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 45: Re: A bit of education . from "Steven Medlock"
Message 46: Re: Heartwood Farms Greenhouse Info
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 47: Re: unsubscribe
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 48: Re: Shark Attack
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 49: Re: unsubscribe
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 50: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "billevans"
Message 51: Re: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 52: Re: Space age fertilizer
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 53:
from "J. R."
Message 54: used greenhouses
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 55: RE: Space age fertilizer
from "billevans"
Message 56: Re:
from "TGTX"
Message 57: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
from kris book
Message 58: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "TGTX"
Message 59: Re: unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 60: Re: Space age fertilizer
from kris book
Message 61: Re: unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 62: Re:
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 63: Re: Space age fertilizer
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 64: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 65: Re: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 66: RE: Space age fertilizer
from "billevans"
Message 67: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
from "billevans"
Message 68: Unsubscribe
from "Robby Richards"
Message 69: Fwd. Introduction and Thanks
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 70: Several ideas for managing the list size
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 71: Re: Unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 72: Re: Several ideas for managing the list
size
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 73: Hang on a minute, Robby
from kris book
Message 74: RE: Fwd. Introduction and Thanks
from "Mark Allen Wells"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Archive
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:57:17 -0700
Thanks for the note, Paula. I'll ask my questions one
at a time. And about
posting etiquette, I don't mind the off topic posts
since I find them
interesting, being a man of eclectic (my wife would
say eccentric) tastes.
It would be really great, though, for those of us on
digest format if you
all could trim off the excess verbage tacked on to the
end of your posts.
All you have to do is hit Ctrl-Shift-End and then
Delete. I'd really
appreciate it.
Here's the first question.
How do you deal with solids in the water that is sent
on to the plants?
Thanks.
Pete Scholtens
Langley, BC
| Message 2
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:01:30 -0700
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:36:14 -0700
Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
No need to let someone's view derail you. As someone
said
. I think
this group runs 90 odd per cent efficient from what I
have seen from
other groups. Tolerance is needed.
You are a welcome addition to the group, and I welcome
your technical
input. The older ones here have all had our warm socks
rattled at some
point, for asking things that seemed important to us,
but not to others.
I could feel bad for having asked the question re fish
injuries in the
first place, but hey.
No need to delist, just acknowledgement, acceptance,
ADJUSTMENT.
Never said delist ma bro!! Youd be surprised that even
some of the vets
on this list have unsubbed at some time or other.
I have found your post MOST interesting, and those
which werent down my
street I simply deleted, but thats not to say it didnt
meet someone
elses need!! Please those of you who would just love
to fill your
mailbox with 100% unadulterated AQUAPONIC stuff, why
not consider
jumping in with your questions and comments as well as
HELP to build a
repertoire of posts here worthy of archiving for
future use? It is in
diversity of interests that we would stimulate
TOLERANCE.
Funny that the folks who seem to make a lot of flak
are folks who in my
humble opinion, are seemingly quiet on the list MOST
of the time
ANYWAYS. This list doesnt belong to anyone person, and
Id hate to think
we need to start to lose members because we are HUMAN,
and as such have
different interests.
As said before, please reconsider.
Sincerely.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Arlos wrote:
>
> please delist me due to the recent flak over off
topic posts, thanks
| Message 4
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: Al Thompson
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:56:55 -0700
First, to all, my apologies to all for being
Off-Topic:
Please don't go off list, Arlos. While coming home to
30+ odd messages in my mailbox some nights makes
for more work, you have me considering growing
Abalone in my future Aquaponics project.
You know I have requested off-list to see your setup
in
Monterey, especially since I am just a couple of hours
north in San Francisco. I also have a lot of respect
for
your work. I would want to see your project if I lived
on
the East Coast.
I didn't want to drive such valuable input as your art
of Abalone farming off the list, only to ask folks for
a
little restraint in posting so much off-topic on the
alias
_each day_.
As a mostly silent lurker, I apologize to you and
others
about dishing out "flak." I just wanted to get
slightly fewer
off-topic emails per week.
I hope you re-consider.
Regards,
Al
Arlos wrote:
> please delist me due to the recent flak over off
topic posts, thanks
| Message 5
Subject: Re: alellopathy
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 04:50:04 -0500
Emmett,
I never grew tomatoes on a large scale in Florida -
just for home
use. I did have Red Giant Mustard in my home system
in combination
with the tomatoes with no apparent problems. I
believe I recall Jim
R. mentioning the use of mint and marigolds in
combination with
tomatoes for favorable results (what is the opposite
of allelopathy?).
> Are we having a good time or what?
Adriana
Tedzo
.comments?
>
Emmett
About growing tomatoes in a shade house in summer - I
think that
Florida's mid 90's heat in the summers makes tomato
production a
problem due to flowering and pollenation difficulties.
Even in a
shade house which will drop temperatures into the mid
to high 80's I
would think this is not great. You might give the
Agriculture
Extension Office in Palmetto a call and ask about this
specific thing.
They are nice people and very knowledgeable about
tomatoes. Given the
huge tomato production in and around Ruskin I would
think that this
has been studied at some point.
There is a market in that area for greens and herbs
but I think there
is a resistance to very high prices which make the
business
attractive. Salad greens are so competitive coming
out of California
(under $3/# for fairly decent quality) that only the
very picky chef
will pay $6 or more a pound for them. Herbs at market
prices get a
good return but the trick is to get a high enough $
volume per
delivery to make it worth your while.
There is a company in Tampa which currently has
approximately 60,000
sq ft of greenhouses and has large plans to supply
herbs and greens to
all of the five star restaurants and hotels in
Florida. I believe
they are having serious difficulties but some times
these
"competitors" can cause great harm to the market while
they thrash
around trying to survive.
Adriana
| Message 6
Subject: Re: alellopathy
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:11:10 -0500
OH NO! Should I tear out my 14' tray of dill? :>)
It is growing on
a common nutrient tank with at least 12 other
varieties and just about
everything is doing great
.Seriously, if allelopathy
is a problem,
aquaponic and hydroponic operations are more
vulnerable due the
circulation of nutrients throughout the growing
operation and across a
variety of crops. I haven't seem any resarch on this
specifically
directed to water-culture.
> I have read that you shouldn't grow dill next to
anything. This
whole
> companion planting thing seems to indicate that
plant roots can
exude
> certain biochemicals which inhibit or support other,
very different
kinds of
> plants
if that is the case, then doesn't it lend
credence to the
notion
> that endomycorhizzae and bacteria etc are actively
exchanging all
kinds of
> organics with the plant for perhaps mutual benefit?
Eh?
Adriana
| Message 7
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:31:35 -0500
Arlos,
Let me agree with Mike on this, please stay. Just
because a couple of
people were annoyed over the lengthy shark thread is
no reason for you
to feel rejected by the list. There are 450 members I
suspect that
your contributions and presence have been highly
valued by the great
majority of us. We all digress occaionally and the
majority tolerate
this in exchange for a greater value received. I
recall a great
discussion a while back that degenerated onto the
subject of sod
yurts. Now THAT was totally off-topic and a lot of
fun.
> Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
> No need to let someone's view derail you. As someone
said
. I think
> this group runs 90 odd per cent efficient from what
I have seen from
> other groups. Tolerance is needed.
> > You are a welcome addition to the group, and I
welcome your
technical
> input.
Adriana
| Message 8
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:14:38 -0500
Arlos,
Like that old doo-wop song goes
Oh won't you stay, just a little bit longer
Please
say you will
say you will
Gee, that was pretty good singing there
Ted
Seriously, tho, man, just hang with us for a
while
.
----- Original Message -----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
> Arlos,
> Let me agree with Mike on this, please stay. Just
because a couple of
> people were annoyed over the lengthy shark thread is
no reason for you
> to feel rejected by the list. There are 450 members
I suspect that
> your contributions and presence have been highly
valued by the great
> majority of us. We all digress occaionally and the
majority tolerate
> this in exchange for a greater value received. I
recall a great
> discussion a while back that degenerated onto the
subject of sod
> yurts. Now THAT was totally off-topic and a lot of
fun.
>
>
> > Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
> > No need to let someone's view derail you. As
someone said
. I think
> > this group runs 90 odd per cent efficient from
what I have seen from
> > other groups. Tolerance is needed.
> > > You are a welcome addition to the group, and I
welcome your
> technical
> > input.
>
> Adriana
>
>
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
From: Jim
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:20:37 -0500
Hi Arlos,
Don't let one or two people's comments run you out of
here
Although
I've been busier than I ever want to be again for most
of the last year
and have been almost in hibernation email wise, I try
to follow the
group messages and it's always good to hear of other's
experiences and
interests
I subscribe to the coffeeshop view of this
group
It's a
good place for a bunch of aqua folks to get together,
talk some biz, a
little BS, answer a few questions from the beginners,
and sometimes help
unravel tangled lines with the other vets
Closest thing to a shark I've seen around here is my
brothers pet 80 lb
silver carp in the big catfish pond, but diving is
right up there on my
list of enjoyable topics, ecoextremism is at the
bottom and fish farming
is somewhere in the middle depending on how the day
has been, what the
water temps are running, and how many poachers I've
run off that
week.(What you mean, you don't let anybody fish in
your ponds?!?!
! 'at' ^%#^%#^ poachers)
Putting on my dusty 'Archivist' hat: I do hope to get
them up to date
soon. Also, I would (and do) appreciate folks not
using html, and
prefacing the subject line with Yak: or Off topic:
when they drift too
far away from the central themes
Jim
"Arlos" Wrote:
>
> Robby, I can't remember ever having read that
this was a strictly
> technical board. I for one mix personal as well as
technical as
> aquaponics is as much vocation as avocation. As for
BS? I'll leave my
> personal comment for you on a private email.Arlos
>
In Reply to: Robby Richards who wrote:
> Since the subject has been brought up, I
completely agree
> that there is way too much personal ranting
going on. It is
> great if friends keep in touch by emailing each
other, but it
> is best served via a private message so that
other people's
> time is not wasted sorting through messages
trying to sort out
> the BS from informative messages on the topic
of the
> list-Aquaponics. Please post personal messages
elsewhere for
> the good of the entire group. Thank you, Robby
Richards
| Message 10
Subject: A bit of education .From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:35:12 -0500
Yes
. a bit of education goes a long way in my book.
I'm a "newbie" in
aquaponics, with a plan of putting up a greenhouse and
beginning my venture
in the next few months. Yes, at times the amount of
posts seem overwhelming
(especially to my 17 year old son who is waiting for
his turn at the
computer!). BUT, I have learned so much from so many
of you.
I am not a technical wiz, so I surely have to absorb
the info that you
provide us with
. including Arlos! I do hope that
he stays in the group.
Hey, I even learned about the plain text/html and the
RTF button on the
computer (Thanks guys!)
We live in Northern Illinois, plan on a trip to
Missouri, Michigan, and down
to Florida on horse business and at the same time to
take in what ever we
can in aquaponics. If you know of any places for us
to visit, please post
the info as I'm sure many people have no idea where to
find the going farms.
Next, I intend on growing herbs and specialty items
to supply restaurants.
Do you know of anyone currently doing so and what are
your suggestions on
"hot items" to consider?
If we could have a listing of "Bios" on some of our
list contributors is
also a good idea
. then we would have an idea WHO is
actually giving us
all the info, where they are located, and their
experience etc.
Sorry for the long post
. hope to meet some of you
in North Carolina in
November. My son and I will be there!
| Message 11
Subject: Commerical facility available .From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:06:47 -0500
For information to the group
. should you know of
anyone that may be
interested
. FOR Sale or Lease
A 2 year old Crop King Greenhouse, 4 bay, 88'x128',
11,264 sq. ft, located
in Dyersville, Iowa (a few miles from the "Field of
Dreams" movie site
.tourist stop) about 20 minutes west of Dubuque,
Iowa.
This was purchased by a company that was thinking of
using the gases from a
hog farm to heat the facility. They had grown
tomatoes and simply sold them
to a wholesaler
. just hydro not aquaponics. They
know that they will take
a great loss on the sale. It can be bought and
removed or they are willing
to lease the facility for $1500 or so per month.
It's much too large a facility for this "newbie". If
anyone is interested
email me for the info. Or if there is anyone
interested in a joint venture,
let me know.
Have a great day!
Pat
| Message 12
Subject: RE: unsubscribe
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:08:41 -0500
>First, to all, my apologies to all for being
Off-Topic:
This showed a lot of humility, Al. That's not
always an easy thing to do. I respect you for
it. I also respect Arlos. We need his energy,
his fighting spirit and his knowledge. I sent
him a note sharing a thought or two
.I hope
he stays. Few take the time to go in depth on
subjects the way he does
.be it abalone or sharks.
I enjoy reading the experiences of others. Yes
the list generates lots of mail. If I see something
that I don't need or want, I delete without
reading all of it
.I skim a lot. The time that
is saved from a much shortened learning curve
more than makes up for extra mail. This is a
tremendous resource.
Having worked in municipal water and wastewater
treatment as well as playing with plants and fish
for years, I find aquaponics enjoyable and
fascinating.and the diverse group of people involved in it to
be intelligent and intersting. I hope we can learn
something
from this recent little ripple. Temperance and
tolerance
go a long way.
get your ass back here, Arlos!
peace.Mark
| Message 13
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:27:05 -0700
Just out of curiosity
what is the most amount of
dill picked off of one
plant at one picking
Ive got a rogue plant(
actually two) that are
about 9 feet high
. one of the seed heads measured
12 inches across
the first and second picking from these two plants
has yielded a total of
17 ounces of dill.
bille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OH NO! Should I tear out my 14'
tray of dill? :>) It is
growing on
a common nutrient tank with at least 12 other
varieties and just about
everything is doing great.
| Message 14
Subject: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
From: "bennett"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:37:24 -0400
> Just out of curiosity
what is the most amount of
dill picked off of
one
>plant at one picking
>
Excuse me, but are you purposely trying to keeps
problems going here?!?!
Hasn't there been enough trouble about off topic posts
already, without
asking leading questions such as this?
D.
| Message 15
Subject: RE: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:50:01 -0700
What? you don't beleive in 9 foot tall dill? Anybody
who wants a picture,
just send me a two stamps to cover mailing and
developing charges.
Tallest plant is pictured next to an 8 foot builder's
straightedge.
bille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Excuse me, but are you purposely trying to keeps
problems going here?!?!
HOW??????????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hasn't there been enough
trouble about off topic
posts already, without
asking leading questions such as this?
how's it leading?
bille
| Message 16
Subject: List problems and concerns
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:53:57 -0500
If there are concerns about the list and its contents,
subject matter, or
other administrative problems, please address them to
me at
This is not a moderated list -- and I wouldn't want it
to become one. As
has always been the case, I don't see any need to
regulate the discussions.
Those that are important will continue, and those that
are not
.will not.
And as I suggested yesterday:
>My suggestion is that you post any specific questions
you have, preferably
>one topic at a time, and let's see what the list
members have to contribute.
The quickest way to keep the conversations on what you
want to discuss is to
open the discussions yourself.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 17
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:56:55 -0400
Pete
I personally use a 3 sump setup with the water
splashing into the first sump
then flowing into the next two gently with a up flow
action , which by the
time it gets to the beds there is no discernable
solids to be seen , then
every 3 days or so I drain and clean the sumps , Which
are 30 gallons each,
works for how I set up my system.
Now on another note I set up a system like S&S
describes for my Koi pond ,
Well after a week the water went from pea soup to
crystal but now I know
where it all went , in the grow beds talk about green
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
->
->
-> Here's the first question.
-> How do you deal with solids in the water that is
sent on to the plants?
->
-> Thanks.
-> Pete Scholtens
-> Langley, BC
->
->
| Message 18
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:56:22 -0600
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Arlos,
IMHO, you have earned your place on this list. And I
suggest you listen
to the folks that have asked you to stay. These
friends are the main
contributors and the heart and soul that make this
thing so special.
Like I said last night, every list has few people that
think they have
the right to criticize somebody elses views that
bothers them. Your posts
have added a great deal of information and I for one
don't expect
perfection out of anyone, except myself. Last thing to
remember, always
listen to what Ted has to say!
kris
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Arlos,
IMHO, you have earned your place on this list.
And I suggest you =
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the folks that have asked you to stay. These friends
are the main =
contributors=20
and the heart and soul that make this thing so
special.
Like I said last night, every list has few people
that think they have=
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right to criticize somebody elses views that bothers
them. Your posts have =
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perfection out of =
anyone,=20
except myself. Last thing to remember, always listen
to what Ted has to=20
say!
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| Message 19
Subject: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:11:29 -0500
Has anyone tried this medium?
http://www.gardenweb.com/isolite/
Mark
| Message 20
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:12:24 -0700
are these plants in an aquaponics grow bed or right in
the compost pile. They certainly best any dill I've
ever grown.
Chris
> Just out of curiosity
what is the most amount of
dill picked off of one
>plant at one picking
Ive got a rogue plant(
actually two) that are
>about 9 feet high
. one of the seed heads measured
12 inches across
| Message 21
Subject: RE: Dill yields
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:43:58 -0700
THey're growing in "soil", hehe
a gravel pathway
that has a "french
drain" three feet below it( them). THe plants just
kinda sprouted- lots of
things self sow here.
country "soil" here 'bouts is granite more towards the
acidic/silicic side
of
. took forever to dig the drain in the rock,,
bille,
zone 10 sandiego county,calif.
imagining the AP equivalent
----
-
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
are these plants in an aquaponics grow bed or right in
the compost pile.
They certainly best any dill I've ever grown.
Chris
| Message 22
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:43:19 -0400
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
> Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
Yes. Please stay. This list will be much empoverished
if you leave. I concur
with Mike 100%.
Best wishes,
Lloyd
| Message 23
Subject: RE: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:47:48 -0700
32 pounds /ft^3 density
looks heavy man
what $$$$ are they asking for breaking our back?
bille
--
http://www.gardenweb.com/isolite/
Mark
| Message 24
Subject: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:52:06 -0500
Bill,
I'm new to growing dill so you will find me at the
bottom of the
learning curve. I seeded my plants on the assumption
that in our
Southern Alabama heat they will not do well. My plan
is to grow them
for a single harvest of the whole plant at the "baby
dill" stage after
about 28 days. This will reduce harvest labor. I may
allow a couple
of plants to grow to full size to see how they do
I
will keep you
posted.
Adriana
> Just out of curiosity
what is the most amount of
dill picked off
of one
> plant at one picking
Ive got a rogue plant(
actually two) that
are
> about 9 feet high
. one of the seed heads measured
12 inches
across
> the first and second picking from these two plants
has yielded a
total of
> 17 ounces of dill.
| Message 25
Subject: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:59:20 -0500
At first glance I thought it was another brand of
expanded clay which
I love as a growing media, but I see that it is made
from extruded
Diatomeceous earth. Interesting
.Do you have any
idea of pricing?
Adriana
> Has anyone tried this medium?
>
> http://www.gardenweb.com/isolite/
| Message 26
Subject: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:17:17 -0500
Bill Patrick asked:
>
> 1. What did you use for your check valves (or "ball
valves" as called in
> the diagram)? 3/4" pvc check valves(spring loaded)
> 2. What size PVC did you use? 3/4 inch
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
But today it's not working. I can't think of anything
I've changed,
but yesterday it pumped, and today it doesn't. My
first suspicion is
that I have lost a seal somewhere and I've probably
got an air leak.
By the way, I did a calculation on how much air tank
space I would
need to make this a useful pump, and I came up with a
volume similar
to a semi-trailer. So it's back to the drawing board.
My next step
is to look at a different gas/liquid combo, or methods
to increase
temperature differential.
Carolyn
| Message 27
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:17:03 -0700
So you are selling "dill weed" , so to speak, and
not the almost mature
seedheads?
My use is for making dill pickles.
I guess the foliage imparts the same taste
enhancement.
Im new to growing dill as well, as I said ,the plants
were volunteer.
:>
bille
who guesses that dill is taprooted, likes the "K "
gravel they're
n( usually lava- "rhyolite" based)
and likes the air that the gravel drain holds
.and all the goodies I've thrown at them.
----
Bill,
My plan is to grow them
for a single harvest of the whole plant at the "baby
dill"
Adriana
| Message 28
Subject: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:58:11 -0600
I just got off the phone with Linda at Sundine
enterprises in Denver. She
is sending me commercial pricing and any tech info
that she has. I'll
pass it on so she doesn't get 300 phone calls today.
kris
| Message 29
Subject: RE: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:05:01 -0500
LOL
.thanks Kris,
I emailed them
--
I just got off the phone with Linda at Sundine
enterprises in Denver. She
is sending me commercial pricing and any tech info
that she has. I'll
pass it on so she doesn't get 300 phone calls today.
kris
| Message 30
Subject: Re: Commerical facility available .From: Lamar Zabielski
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:05:17 -0600
Hello Pat,
More info please. I'd want to move it to
Colorado.
Lamar
Tuesday, July 10, 2001, 7:06:47 AM, you wrote:
> For information to the group
. should you know of
anyone that may be
> interested
. FOR Sale or Lease
> A 2 year old Crop King Greenhouse, 4 bay, 88'x128',
11,264 sq. ft, located
> in Dyersville, Iowa (a few miles from the "Field of
Dreams" movie site
>
.tourist stop) about 20 minutes west of Dubuque,
Iowa.
> This was purchased by a company that was thinking of
using the gases from a
> hog farm to heat the facility. They had grown
tomatoes and simply sold them
> to a wholesaler
. just hydro not aquaponics. They
know that they will take
> a great loss on the sale. It can be bought and
removed or they are willing
> to lease the facility for $1500 or so per month.
> It's much too large a facility for this "newbie".
If anyone is interested
> email me for the info. Or if there is anyone
interested in a joint venture,
> let me know.
> Have a great day!
> Pat
>
>
--
Best regards,
Lamar
| Message 31
Subject: Space age fertilizer
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:12:45 -0600
This is a product that was on the Isolite page. It's
way over my head.
Can any of you plant geniuses translate this stuff
into English.
http://www.zeoponix.com/
| Message 32
Subject: Re: Commercial facility available .From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:27:10 -0400
You would have to buy the greenhouse for a song to
justify the cost of
moving it to Colorado. You can get a better greenhouse
than Crop King for
about 7-8 grand a bay, brand new, with all new
equipment. You should
calculate how much it will cost you to fly there,
disassemble it, pack it,
truck it, re-assemble it, hunt for missing or damaged
parts, finish the
job. I bet that even paying minimum wage to everybody
involved you would
still end up with an extremely expensive crappy old
setup.
The price you pay for the greenhouse is only a part of
the total cost of
such an endeavor.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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Subject: Re: Commerical facility available
.
07/10/01 02:05 PM
Please respond to
aquaponics
Hello Pat,
More info please. I'd want to move it to
Colorado.
Lamar
Tuesday, July 10, 2001, 7:06:47 AM, you wrote:
> For information to the group
. should you know of
anyone that may be
> interested
. FOR Sale or Lease
> A 2 year old Crop King Greenhouse, 4 bay, 88'x128',
11,264 sq. ft,
located
> in Dyersville, Iowa (a few miles from the "Field of
Dreams" movie site
>
.tourist stop) about 20 minutes west of Dubuque,
Iowa.
> This was purchased by a company that was thinking of
using the gases from
a
> hog farm to heat the facility. They had grown
tomatoes and simply sold
them
> to a wholesaler
. just hydro not aquaponics. They
know that they will
take
> a great loss on the sale. It can be bought and
removed or they are
willing
> to lease the facility for $1500 or so per month.
> It's much too large a facility for this "newbie".
If anyone is
interested
> email me for the info. Or if there is anyone
interested in a joint
venture,
> let me know.
> Have a great day!
> Pat
>
>
--
Best regards,
Lamar
| Message 33
Subject: RE: Commercial facility available .From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:40:12 -0500
Thanks for the info. O.K. where could I find a
greenhouse with all new
equipment for 7-8k?
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
> Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:27 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: Commercial facility available .>
>
>
> You would have to buy the greenhouse for a song to
justify the cost of
> moving it to Colorado. You can get a better
greenhouse than Crop King for
> about 7-8 grand a bay, brand new, with all new
equipment. You should
> calculate how much it will cost you to fly there,
disassemble it, pack it,
> truck it, re-assemble it, hunt for missing or
damaged parts, finish the
> job. I bet that even paying minimum wage to
everybody involved you would
> still end up with an extremely expensive crappy old
setup.
>
> The price you pay for the greenhouse is only a part
of the total cost of
> such an endeavor.
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
>
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>
>
> zeb 'at' utalk.org
>
> Sent by: To:
> aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> aquaponics-request 'at' t cc:
>
> ownsqr.com
Subject: Re:
> Commerical facility available
> .>
>
>
> 07/10/01 02:05 PM
>
> Please respond to
>
> aquaponics
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Pat,
>
> More info please. I'd want to move it to
> Colorado.
> Lamar
>
> Tuesday, July 10, 2001, 7:06:47 AM, you wrote:
>
> > For information to the group
. should you know
of anyone that may be
> > interested
. FOR Sale or Lease
>
> > A 2 year old Crop King Greenhouse, 4 bay,
88'x128', 11,264 sq. ft,
> located
> > in Dyersville, Iowa (a few miles from the "Field
of Dreams" movie site
> >
.tourist stop) about 20 minutes west of Dubuque,
Iowa.
>
> > This was purchased by a company that was thinking
of using the
> gases from
> a
> > hog farm to heat the facility. They had grown
tomatoes and simply sold
> them
> > to a wholesaler
. just hydro not aquaponics.
They know that they will
> take
> > a great loss on the sale. It can be bought and
removed or they are
> willing
> > to lease the facility for $1500 or so per month.
>
> > It's much too large a facility for this "newbie".
If anyone is
> interested
> > email me for the info. Or if there is anyone
interested in a joint
> venture,
> > let me know.
>
> > Have a great day!
> > Pat
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Lamar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 34
Subject: RE: Commercial facility available .From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:45:16 -0400
Atlas greenhouses has several packages for under 8
grand and that includes
a gas heater and cooling fans. I believe their price
was around 7200 last
time I looked at their website (a few months ago).
This price was for the
model that could support high snow loads and was
covered with inflated
poly.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
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| Message 35
Subject: RE: Commercial facility available .From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:59:34 -0500
Thanks. I have been looking at crop king and the ones
sold by hydro
gardens. I will check Atlas.
I'm actually in Missouri.
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
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> Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:45 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: RE: Commercial facility available .>
>
>
> Atlas greenhouses has several packages for under 8
grand and that includes
> a gas heater and cooling fans. I believe their price
was around 7200 last
> time I looked at their website (a few months ago).
This price was for the
> model that could support high snow loads and was
covered with inflated
> poly.
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
>
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| Message 36
Subject: Greenhouse source
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:11:11 -0500
Here is another source to check out
.Steel framing
.straight sidewalls
. corrugated polycarbonate covering
. etc. etc.
www.heartwoodfarms.com
Very good pricing for a solid structure
. check them
out.
| Message 37
Subject: Re: Greenhouse source
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:10:48 -0400
Here is the Atlas greenhouse. Price is now 7500 bucks.
Just click on the
link.
http://www.atlasgreenhouse.com/package.html#1
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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| Message 38
Subject: Re: Greenhouse source
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:15:53 -0400
http://www.heartwoodfarms.com/
the site is down. do you have a phone number or an
address?
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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| Message 39
Subject: List of greenhouse structures with comments
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:40:07 -0400
http://ovg.com/ great supplier on the US West
Coast
http://www.hoophouse.com/ Perfect for a hobby
structure, or for a
try-first-plunge-later
http://premiergreenhouses.safeshopper.com/
pretty neat choices
under $2000
http://www.solardome.co.uk/index.html
absolutely fantastic.
Must cost a fortune.
http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/ high
quality products. This
site has a BTU calculator that will allow you to
figure out how big a
heater you need for YOUR greenhouse.
http://www.solarbarns.com/ good outfit, site
not fully functional,
but you can call them.
http://carefreegarden.com/ lots of products to
offer
http://www.igcusa.com/ long product list.
Better for commercial
than hobby. They charge for giving you a price
quote!!!
http://www.greenhousekit.com/ a kit for everyone
http://www.growitgreenhouses.com/ last one on this
list.
I have a few more, but they start getting repetitious.
Basically, if you
want it, it is there for the getting. Just about each
state you live in (or
country) has a greenhouse supplier that will fit your
budget.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
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| Message 40
Subject: $100 Greenhouse?
From: Sandman198 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:50:17 EDT
Hey does anyone know the link for the $100, greenhouse
design, I remember
seeing it on the list a while ago, but then lost it.
anyone care to point me
in the right direction. Thanks
Roey
| Message 41
Subject: Re: $100 Greenhouse?
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:47:43 -0400
For $100 greenhouse, you salvage some 2x4s get some
nails, build the
structure, then buy poly covering from any supplier
you like. Make it a
double layer if you live in cold climates.
Of course, poly alone will cost a bit more than 100
bucks, the nails will
cost you some 20-30 bucks, hauling the salvaged lumber
will cost something,
and your sweat and time building the darn thing is
certainly worth at least
minimum wage. So in reality there is no $100 dollar
anything, but you can
get darn close. I think Tom and Paula built their
first greenhouse with
salvaged materials for about 3 grand and some sweat
equity.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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Subject: $100 Greenhouse?
07/10/01 03:50 PM
Please respond to
aquaponics
Hey does anyone know the link for the $100, greenhouse
design, I remember
seeing it on the list a while ago, but then lost it.
anyone care to point
me
in the right direction. Thanks
Roey
| Message 42
Subject: RE: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
From: "Richard & Faye"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:55:52 -0500
Thanks so Much for this great information!
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
> Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:40 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: List of greenhouse structures with comments
>
>
>
> http://ovg.com/ great supplier on the US
West Coast
> http://www.hoophouse.com/ Perfect for a hobby
structure, or for a
> try-first-plunge-later
> http://premiergreenhouses.safeshopper.com/
pretty neat choices
> under $2000
> http://www.solardome.co.uk/index.html
absolutely fantastic.
> Must cost a fortune.
> http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/ high
quality products. This
> site has a BTU calculator that will allow you to
figure out how big a
> heater you need for YOUR greenhouse.
> http://www.solarbarns.com/ good outfit, site
not fully functional,
> but you can call them.
> http://carefreegarden.com/ lots of products
to offer
> http://www.igcusa.com/ long product
list. Better for
> commercial
> than hobby. They charge for giving you a price
quote!!!
> http://www.greenhousekit.com/ a kit for
everyone
> http://www.growitgreenhouses.com/ last one on this
list.
>
> I have a few more, but they start getting
repetitious. Basically, if you
> want it, it is there for the getting. Just about
each state you
> live in (or
> country) has a greenhouse supplier that will fit
your budget.
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
>
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| Message 43
Subject: Re: $100 Greenhouse?
From: Mike Davey
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:25:03 -0500
Here is one link for what you want.
http://www.sherrysgreenhouse.com/TomUhll.html
The original plans are from North Carolina Cooperative
Extension
Service. We built one last year and have been very
happy with it. Can
it be done for $100? Maybe it could, but $150 is
closer to the real
costs. Our is 12' x 16' and has made it though 90mph
winds, a hail
storm, and 8" of snow, though not all at the same
time. Our is made
with schedule 40 pipe and fittings as we couldn't find
the schedule
80 stuff.
All in all not a bad little house for the cost.
Mike
>Hey does anyone know the link for the $100,
greenhouse design, I remember
>seeing it on the list a while ago, but then lost it.
anyone care to point me
>in the right direction. Thanks
>Roey
--
Pisani Graphics Inc.
Kimberly WI 54136
920-730-0014
| Message 44
Subject: RE: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:55:09 -0400
I am glad I could contribute something valuable to
this great list. In the
mean time, I got a price quote from Atlas. A 30x130
foot house costs 5
grand. That is the price for the structure, the poly
cover and the stuff to
make it airtight, including an inflation system for
double walls (for those
of you near Canada). Heating and cooling equipment
plus controls cost
another 5500 bucks. Estimated shipping in the USA is
1000 bucks.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
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07/10/01 03:55 PM
Please respond to
aquaponics
Thanks so Much for this great information!
Richard
> -----Original Message-----
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> Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:40 PM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: List of greenhouse structures with comments
>
>
>
> http://ovg.com/ great supplier on the US
West Coast
> http://www.hoophouse.com/ Perfect for a hobby
structure, or for a
> try-first-plunge-later
> http://premiergreenhouses.safeshopper.com/
pretty neat choices
> under $2000
> http://www.solardome.co.uk/index.html
absolutely fantastic.
> Must cost a fortune.
> http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/ high
quality products. This
> site has a BTU calculator that will allow you to
figure out how big a
> heater you need for YOUR greenhouse.
> http://www.solarbarns.com/ good outfit, site
not fully
functional,
> but you can call them.
> http://carefreegarden.com/ lots of products
to offer
> http://www.igcusa.com/ long product
list. Better for
> commercial
> than hobby. They charge for giving you a price
quote!!!
> http://www.greenhousekit.com/ a kit for
everyone
> http://www.growitgreenhouses.com/ last one on this
list.
>
> I have a few more, but they start getting
repetitious. Basically, if you
> want it, it is there for the getting. Just about
each state you
> live in (or
> country) has a greenhouse supplier that will fit
your budget.
>
> -_______________
> Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
> NEC America, Inc.
> 14040 Park Center Dr.
> Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
> Voice: 703-834-4273
> Fax: 703-787-6613
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| Message 45
Subject: Re: A bit of education .From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:06:48 -0500
Pat,
I am fairly new at all this but I am up and running.
If you are going to
go an hour west of St. Louis your welcome to stop by
here. Just let me
know. As for what to grow that is what you can find a
market for. I found
mine in tomatoes.
Steve Medlock
(red)
P.S We have horses as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Arbuthnot
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:35 AM
Subject: A bit of education .
> Yes
. a bit of education goes a long way in my
book. I'm a "newbie" in
> aquaponics, with a plan of putting up a greenhouse
and beginning my
venture
> in the next few months. Yes, at times the amount of
posts seem
overwhelming
> (especially to my 17 year old son who is waiting for
his turn at the
> computer!). BUT, I have learned so much from so
many of you.
> I am not a technical wiz, so I surely have to absorb
the info that you
> provide us with
. including Arlos! I do hope that
he stays in the
group.
>
> Hey, I even learned about the plain text/html and
the RTF button on the
> computer (Thanks guys!)
>
> We live in Northern Illinois, plan on a trip to
Missouri, Michigan, and
down
> to Florida on horse business and at the same time to
take in what ever we
> can in aquaponics. If you know of any places for us
to visit, please post
> the info as I'm sure many people have no idea where
to find the going
farms.
>
> Next, I intend on growing herbs and specialty items
to supply
restaurants.
> Do you know of anyone currently doing so and what
are your suggestions on
> "hot items" to consider?
>
> If we could have a listing of "Bios" on some of our
list contributors is
> also a good idea
. then we would have an idea WHO
is actually giving us
> all the info, where they are located, and their
experience etc.
>
> Sorry for the long post
. hope to meet some of you
in North Carolina in
> November. My son and I will be there!
>
>
>
>
| Message 46
Subject: Re: Heartwood Farms Greenhouse Info
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:15:41 -0500
Heartwood Farms,Waltonville, Il.
. email
.cpound 'at' heartwoodfarms.com
Phone # 618-279-7208 They are new distributors.
I had been told by the party that referred me to them
that this is one of
the best structures for the money available. Solid
steel framing, with
corrugated polycarbonate
. 7 1/2' straight sidewalls
with 4' extensions
available and a pitched roof. Check it out. I want
something that I won't
have to replace too soon. Guess I'm getting to old to
handle change!!
>From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Re: Greenhouse source
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:15:53 -0400
>
>
>http://www.heartwoodfarms.com/
>
>the site is down. do you have a phone number or an
address?
>
>-_______________
>Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
>NEC America, Inc.
>14040 Park Center Dr.
>Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
>Voice: 703-834-4273
>Fax: 703-787-6613
>
>This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
>intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
>message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
>recipient you must not copy this message or
attachment or disclose the
>contents to any other person.
>
>
| Message 47
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:34:04 -0500
Arlos,
Hey from a beginner, Please stay I appreciate any
topic that can help or
educate me on this list.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: Lloyd R. Prentice
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
>
>
> dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>
> > Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
>
> Yes. Please stay. This list will be much
empoverished if you leave. I
concur
> with Mike 100%.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
| Message 48
Subject: Re: Shark Attack
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:39:44 -0500 (CDT)
Maverick I think that on the Gulf coast the bull
sharks have switched
to eating the several Million big Nutria that are
eating up our coastal
salt marshes. They inhabit shallow water,are warm
blooded, get to about
30 lbs.,are active year around both in cold times and
in hot and have
become a reliable food source for the coastal sharks.
So if a person
walks through the feeding area (beach in summer) He
stands to get him
self in too the same sort of toothy fix as our west
coasters get when
they swim near sea lion areas .Predators are all ways
most numerous
around prey species because they are drawn to them to
exist .Before the
return of the sea lions white sharks were I think much
less numerous in
California coastal waters and so were the shark
attacks . OOPS
slightly off topic again.
Bruce
| Message 49
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:55:00 -0500 (CDT)
Folks I am sure that Arlos is just kidding .
I hope he is Guys and Gals like Arlos,Ted,Kris,Mike
and Marc are what
makes it worth being on this list.
Bruce
| Message 50
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:00:15 -0700
http://www.frontierherb.com/BakingCooking/SpiceNotes/Dill.html
I found the above to be interesting reading.have found dill to "hedge out" when terminal was cut(
just like basil- keep
the flowers away and the ferts plenty and there will
be plenty of
trimmings).
resultant growth
greatly outdistanced the"initial sprout" manyfold.
be
-
Subject: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
Bill,
I may allow a couple
of plants to grow to full size to see how they do
I
will keep you
posted.
Adriana
| Message 51
Subject: Re: List of greenhouse structures with
comments
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:08:30 -0500
How about side curtains and possibly ridge venting for
passive
ventilation? Also don't forget the cost of
installation. If you do it
yourself it will cost you in terms of opportunity
cost.
> I am glad I could contribute something valuable to
this great list.
In the
> mean time, I got a price quote from Atlas. A 30x130
foot house costs
5
> grand. That is the price for the structure, the poly
cover and the
stuff to
> make it airtight, including an inflation system for
double walls
(for those
> of you near Canada). Heating and cooling equipment
plus controls
cost
> another 5500 bucks. Estimated shipping in the USA is
1000 bucks.
| Message 52
Subject: Re: Space age fertilizer
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:38 -0500 (CDT)
Kris kitty litter and oil dry are Zeolite a natural
clay that you can
load up with fertilizer by filtering a liquid loaded
with fertilizer
through like cat wiz. Than you can use it as a growing
aid.
I have been considering using it in one of my mud
filters for a
comparison.
Gee maybe I should work at Nasa.
Bruce
| Message 53
From: "J. R."
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
Hi -- how long will it take to get me unsubscribed?
I'm still getting swamped . Thanks
John 'at' rogers444 'at' yahoo.com
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| Message 54
Subject: used greenhouses
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:49:39 -0400
you might want to try
www.h2othouse.com
scroll down on left side of screen to used green
houses,
just a site i've seen no affiliation.
| Message 55
Subject: RE: Space age fertilizer
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:04:46 -0700
But they got the "super duper" zeolite!
. and they
"tested" it too!
and even made up a new word> zat's gotta abe wurth
sumthin.
be
-
Kris kitty litter and oil dry are Zeolite a natural
clay that you can
| Message 56
Subject: Re:
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:26:22 -0500
Dear J.R.:
Do you often drive in a car? If so, do you often
tailgate? Just curious.
But on to the topic of your request and this very
serious inquiry into
matters most important
Well, in today's
progressive, chrome-plated,
streamlined world, with Spandex Jackets for
everyone
Diligently holding
high the Banner of Dung-Shopping Theory
.(Recall
that this was the
former leader of Communist China
he was in the
market for fertilizer
because he was "Dung Shopping"
.)
.uh, this is
how it goes
I
think
First you have to fill out an application
form
and wait for
us to process it.
If you are qualified, and if you fit certain selection
criteria, and if you
have submitted sufficient information in support of
your request, then the
Central Committee may or may not declare your
application administratively
complete
and this may take some time
.before
the Central Committee
begins the socioeconomic, technical, and cultural
review of your
unsubscription request. After the socioeconomic,
technical, and cultural
review phase, you may or may not be granted the
request, based on it's
socioeconomic, technical, and cultural merits, and
also, the Central
Committee must factor in the requests of others who
may have made similar
requests, in line, before you
you will simply have
to wait your turn.
Assuming that we don't completely lose your
application form to unsubscribe,
then it could be
some quite extraordinary length
of time anyway
.due to cadre staff workload, weather conditions, other
vagaries of the
various things, Party prerequisites, some handwaving
about various things,
etc., and so forth
There may be other ways to do it, J.R
I have been
told, by errant
capitalist roaders and hegemonists of various kinds,
that just clicking on
the S&S website may reveal these other ways, but I am
not not authorized to
discuss them.
State secret.
Yours Truely,
Left-Tenant Tedzo,
Senior Staff, Hotel California
Heh, heh, heh
----- Original Message -----
From: J. R.
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:43 PM
>
> Hi -- how long will it take to get me unsubscribed?
>
> I'm still getting swamped . Thanks
>
> John 'at' rogers444 'at' yahoo.com
>
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| Message 57
Subject: Re: Isolite -porous ceramic
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:48:17 -0600
I just received a post with about ten attachments. I
will be glad to
answer any questions but, it seems like we will have
to wait until the
price comes down a lot. A little math tells me that
this stuff costs
about $12,000 a truckload(10 tons), plus shipping from
Japan.
Pricing for ISOLITE (1mm, 2mm, 4mm, 6mm)
5-100 lbs. $1.20 per pound + shipping and handling
101-200 pounds $1.05 per pound + shipping and handling
201-1099 pounds $.95 per pound + common carrier
charges
1100 pound Super Sacks $.85 per pound = common carrier
charges
Truckload Rate Approximately $.60 per pound + common
carrier charges
| Message 58
Subject: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:05:24 -0500
Howdy, folks
.
I just remember reading a report of dill's
incompatibilty with other
plants.
.I have not seen this in action, so just take all
that allleolopathy /
companion plant stuff with a big grain of salt
.if it
works, it works
.if
it doesnt, then so be it.
I like dill
.it is a weird and wonderful
plant/flavor/ ingredient to
me
I like to cook with it
.it is great
stuff
a light dusting onto a
fish filet or potato salad is one thing that makes me
smile
if it grows
well with other plants, so be it. Apparently, some
folks that have grown
gardens of stuff don't think dill works well with
other plants, for some
reason.
Let me dig into that a little and try to find or
recall where I read it.
There may be zero substance to the notion that one
should keep dill isolated
from everything else.
Sorry.
Ted
| Message 59
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:14:49 -0600
Fer sure ted.
A friend is with you in bad times as well as good.
Like a
growbed - its always there in one form or another.
Marc
TGTX wrote:
>
> Arlos,
>
> Like that old doo-wop song goes
>
> Oh won't you stay, just a little bit longer
> Please
say you will
say you will
>
| Message 60
Subject: Re: Space age fertilizer
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:20:30 -0600
Bruce,
I am sure that your translation skills are in great
demand down at NASA.
Now, since you speak nasanese, will you help me find
the world's most
efficient greenhouse. Seriously, I was going over the
garden.com forum
archives and on March 8, 2001 there was a post that
was titled "the
world's most efficient greenhouse". The message gave
detailed
instructions on how to follow links on the NASA web
site. Well, I started
following those instructions and I never could find
the first link so I
spent a total of about 8 or 9 hours reading web pages
that never did take
where I wanted to go. Three days later I went back to
gardenweb.com to
see if anyone had found the elusive greenhouse. My
luck was no better
that day, you see gardenweb.com had lost their server
a short time after
I posted, so I still don't have anything to share. I
am not finished, one
tid bit in the article mentioned the Ames Research
Center in Alaska and
Antarctica.
kris
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:38 -0500 (CDT)
fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber) writes:
> Kris kitty litter and oil dry are Zeolite a natural
clay that you
> can
> load up with fertilizer by filtering a liquid loaded
with
> fertilizer
> through like cat wiz. Than you can use it as a
growing aid.
> I have been considering using it in one of my
mud filters for a
> comparison.
> Gee maybe I should work at Nasa.
> Bruce
>
>
| Message 61
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:29:46 -0600
Now about Marc and Marc - the other two??
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Folks I am sure that Arlos is just kidding .
> I hope he is Guys and Gals like
Arlos,Ted,Kris,Mike and Marc are what
> makes it worth being on this list.
>
> Bruce
| Message 62
Subject: Re:
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:41:00 -0600
Well gosh.
Seems off topic is bad list netiquette.
Last time I checked not following or losing the
instructions
for delisting is bad list netiquette too.
If one wants to push good list manners then ALL the
manners
seem to be applicable - not just the ones we pick and
choose.
Nothing personal - it just seems
.
Marc
> Hi -- how long will it take to get me unsubscribed?
>
> I'm still getting swamped . Thanks
| Message 63
Subject: Re: Space age fertilizer
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:41:58 -0600
Is it magnetic?
Marc
billevans wrote:
>
> But they got the "super duper" zeolite!
. and
they "tested" it too!
> and even made up a new word> zat's gotta abe wurth
sumthin.
> be
>
> -
> Kris kitty litter and oil dry are Zeolite a natural
clay that you can
| Message 64
Subject: Re: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:44:57 -0600
OK!!!!!
What will DILL DO TO THE WATER IN A AQUAPONICS
SYSTEM!!!
(this is one question)
There. I feel better. Ahh
Marc
TGTX wrote:
>
> Howdy, folks
.>
> I just remember reading a report of dill's
incompatibilty with other
> plants.>
.I have not seen this in action, so just take
all that allleolopathy /
> companion plant stuff with a big grain of salt
.if
it works, it works
.if
> it doesnt, then so be it..
| Message 65
Subject: Re: WHAT??? Re: Dill
yields
.alellopathy
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:48:59 -0600
.well
"it" is OK but "leading" can be shrunk into lead which
can
lead to a topic about the Romans that got lead
poisoning due
to fermenting wine in lead vats.
While the vats may have some relationship to fish
tanks no
one in their right mind would want to raise food fish
in a
lead fish tank.
It seems the word "leading" should be banned. Seems we
can
keep "it" though.
Marc
1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hasn't there been enough
trouble
about off topic
> posts already, without
> asking leading questions such as this?
>
> how's it leading?
> bille
| Message 66
Subject: RE: Space age fertilizer
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:22:32 -0700
Nah ,i think they tradmarked "zeoponic".
.Is it magnetic?
> and even made up a new word> zat's gotta abe wurth
sumthin.
>
| Message 67
Subject: RE: Dill yields
.alellopathy
From: "billevans"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:24:22 -0700
Clog it up w/ it's taproot, beyond that ida no
. why
not grow dill in a
trashcan( trial setup)or a piece o drain line stood on
end, and see the
growth results ya get when the root can go DOWN! vs a
shallow growbed.
be
OK!!!!!
What will DILL DO TO THE WATER IN A AQUAPONICS
SYSTEM!!!
(this is one question)
There. I feel better. Ahh
.
| Message 68
Subject: Unsubscribe
From: "Robby Richards"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:23:23 -0700
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Hey Mr. Arlos, it seems that from the recent posts
that the majority of t=
he group thinks differently than I, and enjoy the many
off topic chats. A=
half dozen or so people seem to think like me and
have requested to unsu=
bscribe over the last week. I am a firm believer in
democracy in action s=
o it makes more sense for me to unsubscribe than for
you to leave it. =20
I subscribed to the group a couple of weeks ago in an
attempt to learn mo=
re about the technical aspects of setting up and
running a commercial aqu=
aponics operation. I have 137 acres and 60,000 square
feet of greenhouse,=
aquaculture tanks, etc. to set up in the coming
months, and I just don't=
have the time to sort through so many messages that
are not applicable t=
o what I am looking for, i.e. technical details on
aquaponics. I checked =
my mail on Sunday evening and I had 185 messages to
read! Few from the gr=
oup had much to do with the technical aspects of
aquaponics systems.
If anyone in the group knows of other aquaponic
related groups and info s=
ources aimed at commercial scale operations, I would
appreciate knowing a=
bout them. Please send me a private message to let me
know of any sites.
Thanks,
Robby
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s differently than I, and enjoy the many off topic
chats. A half dozen or=
so people seem to think like me and have requested to
unsubscribe over t=
he last week. I am a firm believer in democracy in
action so it makes mor=
e sense for me to unsubscribe than for you to leave
it. =
; I subscribed to the group a couple of
weeks ago in an attemp=
t to learn more about the technical aspects of setting
up and running a c=
ommercial aquaponics operation. I have 137 acres and
60,000 square feet o=
f greenhouse, aquaculture tanks, etc. to set up in the
coming months, and=
I just don't have the time to sort through so many
messages that are not=
applicable to what I am looking for, i.e. technical
details on aquaponic=
s. I checked my mail on Sunday evening and I had 185
messages to read! Fe=
w from the group had much to do with the technical
aspects of aquaponics =
systems. If anyone in the
group knows of oth=
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commercial scale op=
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Please send me a private=
message to let me know of any sites.
Thanks=
,
Robby
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| Message 69
Subject: Fwd. Introduction and Thanks
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:30:03 -0500
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
To:
Subject: Introduction and Thanks
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:36:37 -0500
I am a new subscriber (two weeks ago) and
appreciate very much the
variety of topics I've seen addressed on this list.
My sons (12, 14, & 18)
loved the couger and shark stories, and our oldest son
who is very
interested in alternative energy was thrilled with the
news about the
pending federal legislation. Thanks to all of you who
write.
I am an Amish Mennonite
homemaker-teacher-writer-flower grower with a
deep interest in sustainable, family friendly,
productive enterprises. We
live on the 80 acre farm where I grew up in south
central Kansas.
I mourn how changes in the farm economy and in our
ways of doing things
have resulted in this farm, where my parents raised 12
children, now not
being able to support a family raising only field
crops and traditional farm
animals. But I believe that alternatives such as
aquaponics have the
potential to restore to struggling farm families much
of what was precious
to me as I was growing up. It seems to me that we
must relearn how to
diversify our endeavors and how to market value-added
crops if we are to be
able again to make a living on small acreages. We
also need to rethink our
concept of waste and learn to treat it as a resource,
as aquaponics does
with fish "wastes".
On our farm a vacant hog production facility with
a 50' long
east/west-oriented wing and a 16 foot wide south
concrete deck seem to me to
have potential as an aquaponics greenhouse setup.
Although we can't afford
an expensive set-up, I would like to start out small,
growing food for
ourselves, and add to the setup as we learn better
how to be efficient.
Since we expect someday to move back to our smaller
property, erecting
something that could be set up again elsewhere would
be an advantage.
I have worked at a greenhouse in the past and we
put up a small
greenhouse with salvaged materials on the three-acre
property we lived on
before we moved here. My husband has a background in
electronics and is
good at nearly everything he attempts. Still, getting
started with
aquaponics looks
like a big job.
I first read about the idea of raising fish and
plants in a connected
system perhaps ten years ago in "Furrow", a farm
magazine. It was a report
on the North Carolina (?) research project. I have
searched unsuccessfully
for further information for many years. Part of the
problem was that I had
never heard the term aquaponics and so always ended up
reading only about
aquaculture or hydroponics--never the combination. A
few months ago, when I
finally stumbled across the right term on the
internet, I was very excited
about all that has happened in this field.
I add my vote for Arlos to rejoin this list. For
me interacting with
people different from myself has always been a very
interesting part of
life, and that's part of what I like about this list.
My first question is this: What are the pros and
cons of a 16' x 50'
greenhouse with a block wall on the north as opposed
to a wider structure?
I'm thinking both of heating and cooling and making
efficient use of the
interior space for fish tanks and growing beds?
Thanks.
Miriam
| Message 70
Subject: Several ideas for managing the list size
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:41:37 -0700
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Would it be possible to spin off this very popular
list, and have a very =
strict technical aquaponics list, and a second list
for more casual =
discussions about other topics?
That way, you can subscribe to both, and if you are
running outlook or =
outlook express, filter the messages into two separate
folders (filter =
by "from" address), and read or search one of the
other for relevant =
topics.
Another nice thing would be to eliminate "thank you"
messages, and "good =
idea," "LOL," "I'm waiting for more info and will post
it soon," "good =
question" etc.
If we just take one question, "Where are you located?"
"Can you describe =
this specific item?" "What did you use (on this one
person's specific =
system) for xyz purpose?" "Can you tell us more about
this aspect of =
your system?" and other questions directed to *one
person*, and send =
them PRIVATELY, and then the respondent can post to
the list, that would =
eliminate SO MANY messages.
Perhaps Thank you and other personal messages can be
sent privately, and =
pending info messages can be incorporated into a
larger post. Perhaps =
we can all ask ourselves, "Do 450 people really need
to read this?"
I would say that observing these courtesies would cut
the daily messages =
in half. I too have been overwhelmed with the
messages. I left my =
hotmail account unsupervised for a week or so while I
moved and =
reestablished my connection, and when I returned I was
over the limit =
and I lost many personal messages I had been saving
because of the =
abundance of the list. Now that I have outlook and a
t-1 connection, =
it doesn't bother me as much, but I have honestly
stopped reading most =
of it because there is SO much that is personal and
doesn't interest me.
Despite this rant: all your sharing on the topic
aquaponics is very much =
appreciated!
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Robby Richards=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com ;
arlos 'at' bluelotusaquatics.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: Unsubscribe
Hey Mr. Arlos, it seems that from the recent posts
that the majority =
of the group thinks differently than I, and enjoy the
many off topic =
chats. A half dozen or so people seem to think like me
and have =
requested to unsubscribe over the last week. I am a
firm believer in =
democracy in action so it makes more sense for me to
unsubscribe than =
for you to leave it.=20
I subscribed to the group a couple of weeks ago in
an attempt to learn =
more about the technical aspects of setting up and
running a commercial =
aquaponics operation. I have 137 acres and 60,000
square feet of =
greenhouse, aquaculture tanks, etc. to set up in the
coming months, and =
I just don't have the time to sort through so many
messages that are not =
applicable to what I am looking for, i.e. technical
details on =
aquaponics. I checked my mail on Sunday evening and I
had 185 messages =
to read! Few from the group had much to do with the
technical aspects of =
aquaponics systems.
If anyone in the group knows of other aquaponic
related groups and =
info sources aimed at commercial scale operations, I
would appreciate =
knowing about them. Please send me a private message
to let me know of =
any sites.
Thanks,
Robby
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Would it be possible to spin
off this very =
popular list,=20
and have a very strict technical aquaponics list, and
a second list for =
more=20
casual discussions about other topics?
That way, you can subscribe to
both, and if you =
are=20
running outlook or outlook express, filter the
messages into two =
separate=20
folders (filter by "from" address), and read or search
one of the other =
for=20
relevant topics.
Another nice thing would be to
eliminate "thank =
you"=20
messages, and "good idea," "LOL," "I'm waiting for
more info and will =
post it=20
soon," "good question" etc.
If we just take one question,
"Where are you =
located?"=20
"Can you describe this specific item?" "What did you
use (on this one =
person's=20
specific system) for xyz purpose?" "Can you tell us
more about this =
aspect of=20
your system?" and other questions directed to *one
person*, and send =
them=20
PRIVATELY, and then the respondent can post to the
list, that would =
eliminate SO=20
MANY messages.
Perhaps Thank you and other
personal messages =
can be sent=20
privately, and pending info messages can be
incorporated into a larger=20
post. Perhaps we can all ask ourselves, "Do 450
people really need =
to read=20
this?"
I would say that observing
these courtesies =
would cut the=20
daily messages in half. I too have been
overwhelmed with the=20
messages. I left my hotmail account unsupervised
for a week or so =
while I=20
moved and reestablished my connection, and when I
returned I was over =
the limit=20
and I lost many personal messages I had been saving
because of the =
abundance of=20
the list. Now that I have outlook and a
t-1 connection, it =
doesn't=20
bother me as much, but I have honestly stopped reading
most of it =
because there=20
is SO much that is personal and doesn't interest
me.
Despite this rant: all your
sharing on the=20
topic aquaponics is very much
appreciated!
Ada Erickson www.primadonnasrevenge.com=
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Message -----
From:=20
Robby=20
Richards
Sent:
Tuesday, July 10, 2001 =
8:23=20
PM
Subject:
Unsubscribe
Hey Mr. Arlos, it seems that from the recent
posts that the =
majority of=20
the group thinks differently than I, and enjoy the
many off topic =
chats. A=20
half dozen or so people seem to think like me and
have requested to=20
unsubscribe over the last week. I am a firm believer
in democracy in =
action so=20
it makes more sense for me to unsubscribe than for
you to leave it. =
I subscribed to the group a couple of weeks ago
in an attempt to =
learn=20
more about the technical aspects of setting up and
running a =
commercial=20
aquaponics operation. I have 137 acres and 60,000
square feet of =
greenhouse,=20
aquaculture tanks, etc. to set up in the coming
months, and I just =
don't have=20
the time to sort through so many messages that are
not applicable to =
what I am=20
looking for, i.e. technical details on aquaponics. I
checked my mail =
on Sunday=20
evening and I had 185 messages to read! Few from the
group had much to =
do with=20
the technical aspects of aquaponics systems.
If anyone in the group knows of other aquaponic
related groups =
and info=20
sources aimed at commercial scale operations, I
would appreciate =
knowing about=20
them. Please send me a private message to let me
know of any =
sites.
Thanks,
Robby
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