Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/16/01
Message 1: greenhouse for home heating
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 2: Re: Cold water crabs
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 3: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia, call
for Bonsai ideas
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 4: Re: Tomato plant question
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 5: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 6: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 7: RE
. Paulownia, call for Bonsai ideas
from "billevans"
Message 8: RE: greenhouse paint
from "billevans"
Message 9: Re: greenhouse paint
from "bennett"
Message 10: Fwd. Unused GH
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 11: Re: Virus
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 12: Re: Marine aquaponics
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 13: RE: Iron in fish water ?
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 14: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 15: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 16: RE: greenhouse paint
from "billevans"
Message 17: Laser multiplexers
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 18: Re: Marine aquaponics
from Ronald Polka
Message 19: Re: Lateral thinking/Marine aquaponics
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 20: RE: greenhouse paint
from Ronald Polka
Message 21: Re: Animals for heat conservation
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 22: Re: greenhouse for home heating
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 23: lurker wanting to get feet wet
from "Stephanie Rankin"
Message 24: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from "TGTX"
Message 25: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from "TGTX"
Message 26: freshwater crabs, crayfish, clams
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 27: Bonsai, Stephanie
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 28: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 29: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from "Thomas Short"
Message 30: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 31: Hold on -- was Re: QUIT JAMMING UP
EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 32: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 33: Re: Iron in fish water ?
from Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Message 34: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from kris book
| Message 1
Subject: greenhouse for home heating
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:29:42 -0700
Bruce, what do you do in the summer to keep the heat
out?
Pete
Subject: Re: Fwd. Introduction and Thanks
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:43:42 -0500 (CDT)
Miriam your green house with the block wall on the
north side should
function fine just make sure that the block wall is
well insulated and
that on the inside its painted white to reflect light
back into the grow
area .I assume that this green house shares a wall
with your home so you
can use the greenhouse to help to heat your home in
the winter saving
you a lot of money at current power prices. And that
the fish tanks are
below the grow beds using the same space twice. Maybe
even in the ground
to act as a heat sink storage area .Am I right?
Bruce
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Cold water crabs
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:44:42 -0700
Hi Lynn,
I too have researched this issue, and have also been
dissapointed. I
thought this was going to be a whiz of a walkover.using waste
vegetable matter and fruits to feed these guys.
I did find some literature, but what I did find,
confirmed that LITTLE
is know about crab reproduction in captivity, and
because crabs can be
had at sea in such numbers, not much interest was
shown in commercial
ventures.
I know for a fact that here in the Caribbean, it is a
done thing to trap
and cage crabs, and feed them things like clean fruit
and pepper leaves
to purge them. I don't see why it shouldn't be
possible to raise them
in captivity.
I considered,a large enclosed floor structure, sort of
like a large
chicken run, but not as high, filled with sand as the
flooring
possibly on 2 or 3 levels.
The problem with commercializing growing crustaceans
is highly
territorial, and this poses a problem. Crabs
apprarently also have a
complex hierarchy and homing system where they return
to territorial
waters to breed. Making commercialization a
challenge. I hope this
helps, but like me please do not give up. Keep me up
todate with your
progress.
Mike
JAMAICA
Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
I can't find much info on raising
> cold-water crabs in tanks or where to get the stock.
I know they can >live in a brackish (not strictly
salt water) environment. Is it not >feasible?
> Or am I on to an untapped market niche?
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Peasant Farmer
> Tioga County, PA
| Message 3
Subject: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia, call for
Bonsai ideas
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:01:17 -0700
This is the only list to which I subscribe.
Symantec's analysis states that the virus spreads by
harvesting emails only
from outgoing messages sent from an infected computer.
I conclude that
someone sent a message to aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
and the virus harvested
the address. Some people would not have gotten the
message because of
filters set by their ISPs, or possibly by the provider
of their web-based
email. It might have been sent by someone who has
since unsubscribed, since
only subscribers can post to the list.
I am not sure what you meant by, "sent to the
originator of a message in the
unread email box of a
> recipient." I have stopped receiving the messages,
and I am guessing that
the virus has some way of checking whether or not a
recipient activated the
program and sends a few more tries their way in hopes
of fooling them, their
ISP, or their AV software.
Anyway, whether my conclusions are correct or not, we
should all double
check our inboxes for a message from "hahaha" and
leave it at that.
For those of you who dislike Outlook, Internet
Explorer, or what have you, I
am experimenting with the Opera 5 browser. It is
really fabulous. Internet
Explorer alone is over 100 MB, yet Opera 5 offers
instant messaging through
ICQ, an email client, and a fully functioning browser
for a tiny download of
10MB. It also has some really great intuative
features. It's a lot faster,
and much better for older computers. It will run on a
486!
Thanks for sharing about the Paulownia! I really
admire you for growing for
pleasure. My thumbs are pitch black (what am I doing
here? My mother's
whole body is green). I am trying to start some Jack
Pine seeds in the
refrigerator in hopes of cultivating a mini bonsai.
It was a little kit
that I bought on impulse at barnes and noble. Which
leads me to ask, are
there hydroponic bonsai? Would it be possible to rig
up a biome, a little
desktop setup that would be aquaponic? Perhaps, a koi
and bonsai, and some
sort of algae or lichten or something growing on the
roots of the bonsai to
feed the fish? Not much more going on than a basic
filter with some little
critter to eat extra waste and clean the water, and a
pump to aerate a bit?
Any dreamers care to throw some ideas out?
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Update
> At 06:23 AM 07/14/2001 -0700, Ada wrote:
> >Robert Rogers received the email too.
> >
> >Therefore, the virus is coming from someone on the
list.
> >
> >Please check your computers. Removal instructions
are available at the
link
> >I previously posted.
>
> Ada - the virus you mentioned later with the random
letters in the .exe
> attachment, as I remember, comes not from a message
sent to the list, but
> are sent to the originator of a message in the
unread email box of a
> recipient (list member or private email). I just
received one after
posting
> a message to the tilapia group, and it had happened
before on a genealogy
> list to which I belong.
>
> Yes, everyone should do a virus check on their
computer often, even with a
> virus program in place. But the HAHAHA virus is not
necessarily coming
from
> someone on this list -- it's too random, and I
haven't seen it tied to any
> one person's postings. If you can track it, I'd be
glad to address this
to
> the individual involved.
>
> Problem is, most of our email addresses are logged
many places on the
> internet -- it could be coming from so many places.
Since Bruce only
> subscribes to this list, perhaps it is our problem.
But, Bruce, is your
> webtv address accessible through any of the search
registry's? Could be
> that as well.
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains,
MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Tomato plant question
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:24 -0400
Bruce, and list.,
Thanks for the information regarding the care for the
tomato plants. I had
no clue that one main stalk was the way to go. I
always figured that it was
best to let the beast get 5-6 ft tall and then trim it
to control growth.
As to the warning on my email messages, I am an
attorney for NEC America, a
division of NEC corporation. My division is involved
in telecommunications
at the highest level - namely, we make, sell and
service the laser driven
multiplexers that allow your friendly telephone
company to send up to 25
million calls simultaneously per each strand of fiber
optic.
Very high end stuff and VERY expensive. One complete
setup would probably
pay for ALL our farming operations together :-)
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment
or disclose the
contents to any other person.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:26:09 EDT
Paula, Thanks for the prompt reply. Our well water is
extremely soft water
and the lab told me that means it also has a lot of
sodium .
Some of my Aquaponic grow beds have signs of very
light green & yellow
streaks and my Ph.D Horticulture cooperator says,
based on the labs analysis
and Dr. Paul Nelsons (UNC) that we need more iron. He
has used a mixture in
other situations however he doed not have any
experience with fish.
Thanks,
Bert
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:33:05 -0400
If you have spinach among your crops, you may want to
throw some plant
cuttings into the fish tanks. Not a complete
solution, but it is 100%
organic, assuming you did not use chemicals to grow
the spinach.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment
or disclose the
contents to any other person.
| Message 7
Subject: RE
. Paulownia, call for Bonsai ideas
From: "billevans"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:46:45 -0700
>Thanks for sharing about the Paulownia! I really
admire you for growing
for
pleasure.
Don't
. I can't calll it "pain"- then it
wouldn't be enjoyable nor
worthwhile.
call it a "pleasure" then the real pain is a little
more bearable.
I can't say I'm making money growing P
. as it's
very long term payoff.
. a literal "growth" IRA.alll work up front,
$$$ in a decade (or two+) if your really patient.
bille
| Message 8
Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
From: "billevans"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:54:25 -0700
"half -assed" greenhouse paint can be made>>> 1 part
bleached flour 2
parts fine grind calcium carbonate lime
. enuf whole
milk to make a thin
enuf mix to be put thru a pump sprayer. Holds up only
if you dont get rain
to wear off the coating. or wind to flex it off, tho
dont think this is an
issue w/ thin sprayings. It's gotta be pretty thinn to
go thru the sprayer,
and is advisable to use a power drill paint mixer to
blend all ingredients
well, so no clogs in sprayer
strain it even to be
sure
. I mixed up a
batch as thick as cake batter and rolled it on some
black nursery
containers. What a difference it makes as far as
temperature in the
rootzone.
bille
zone 10 sandiego
| Message 9
Subject: Re: greenhouse paint
From: "bennett"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:33:26 -0400
Will this mixture harm plastic greenhouse covering?
Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
> "half -assed" greenhouse paint can be made>>> 1 part
bleached flour 2
>parts fine grind calcium carbonate lime
. enuf whole
milk to make a thin
>enuf mix to be put thru a pump sprayer. Holds up only
if you dont get rain
>to wear off the coating. or wind to flex it off, tho
dont think this is an
>
| Message 10
Subject: Fwd. Unused GH
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:39:12 -0500
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:19:22 -0600
>From: Cal Lidderdale
>Subject: Unused GH
>To: hydro
>List-Subscribe:
>List-Digest:
>List-Unsubscribe: <
mailto:hydrolist-off 'at' hydroponics.org>
>
>Hydroponics Mailing List provided by the Hydroponic
Society of America
> http://hsa.hydroponics.org
>-----
>
>Short as I can make it
I have an ex co-worker
who has a friend whos
>husband
>recently died. He had started a pair of GH - I'm
guessing 20x60,
>Polycarb. ends,
>fans, covering
. the works just north of Colorado
Springs. The xcw
>is telling
>her to ?rent? them out - I don't see that happening -
I think she should
>sell them.
>
>Comments?
>
>Chuck L.
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Virus
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:04:31 -0500
Sorry - I don't want to beat this to death, either.
I'm certain that there
are dozens of ways that the virus creators have of
"harvesting" emails --
some of which I understand, and others I never will.
Obviously they keep
finding new ways to infiltrate programs, or there
would not be new ones
reported almost weekly. Don't you wonder what
achievements could be made by
those marvelous minds if they were turned to more
productive work!!
The reason why I don't believe it is sent TO the list
address
"aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com" is because on the rare
occasion when one of our
members has become infected and written to the group,
I've received dozens
of "rejected" emails from the various virus protection
programs of our many
members. This list is set to send all
bounced/rejected email notices to my
address, and a sent "potential virus" generates a lot
of them -- I'm glad
that so many people have this protection in their
machines. As noted
before, having a virus scan program (especially one
that catches them in the
inbox), is a valuable and necessary tool these days.
But I also don't believe that there is a truly
"private" email address
anywhere. If you have one, someone, somewhere can
find it and access it.
That's my only point.
And thanks for resetting your posts to plain text --
yes they are being
received that way. Much appreciated now that Jim and
I have worked out the
procedure for getting the archives updated.
Paula
At 03:01 AM 07/16/2001 -0700, Ada wrote:
>This is the only list to which I subscribe.
>
>Symantec's analysis states that the virus spreads by
harvesting emails only
>from outgoing messages sent from an infected
computer. I conclude that
>someone sent a message to aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
and the virus harvested
>the address. Some people would not have gotten the
message because of
>filters set by their ISPs, or possibly by the
provider of their web-based
>email. It might have been sent by someone who has
since unsubscribed, since
>only subscribers can post to the list.
>
>Anyway, whether my conclusions are correct or not, we
should all double
>check our inboxes for a message from "hahaha" and
leave it at that.
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Marine aquaponics
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:53:00 EDT
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Having been involved in several operations in Arizona
and worked with the
geothermal problem of high mineral content I would
recomend you send off a
sample to Scotts fertiliser at 800-743-4769 for $32
they will give you a
complete test for agicultural use of water Gordon
Creaser
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Having been involved in several operations
in Arizona and worked with the
geothermal problem of high mineral content I would
recomend you send off a
sample to Scotts fertiliser at 800-743-4769 for
$32 they will give you a
complete test for agicultural use of water
Gordon Creaser
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| Message 13
Subject: RE: Iron in fish water ?
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:21:30 -0500
Bert,
This is from a hydroponics page about nutrient mixes.
"Iron- Mix 1/2 level teaspoon of chelated iron (NaFe
DTA) in a quart of
water. Use 1 3/5 cups per 10 gallons of nutrient
solution. If chelated iron
is not available, use ferrous sulfate. Dissolve 1
teaspoon in a quart of
water and use 1 teaspoon of this solution per quart of
nutrient solution"
Ferrous sulfate is a supplement in many fish pellets
and
should not hurt them.
Mark
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:07:22 EDT
Thanks,
I only have Zinnia & Dahlia cut flowers.
Bert
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:13:50 EDT
Mark,
Thank you very much.
Bert
| Message 16
Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
From: "billevans"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:25:09 -0700
i doubt it, if anything it'll block a little more
light
. light breaks
down the films eventually
( and of course flexing from wind)
is nothng more
than "deluxe
whitewash"
made w/ milk it's stronger due to the casein protein
i think
. makes good
glue which is all paiont rellly is. I lik e it'cause
its cheap, non-
toxic/biodegradeable
the lime used is
agricultural limestone hi-calcium, fine grind(200
mesh) "Marblewhite"
. NOT BUILDERS LIME, hydrated lime,burnt lime
Will this mixture harm plastic greenhouse covering?
Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
> "half -assed" greenhouse paint can be made>>> 1 part
bleached flour 2
>parts fine grind (200 Mesh)calcium carbonate lime.enuf whole milk to
make a thin
>enuf mix to be put thru a pump sprayer. Holds up only
if you dont get rain
>to wear off the coating. or wind to flex it off, tho
dont think this is an
>
| Message 17
Subject: Laser multiplexers
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:56:50 -0400
At 09:13 AM 7/16/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>
laser driven
>multiplexers that allow your friendly telephone
company to send up to 25
>million calls simultaneously per each strand of fiber
optic.
>
>>Andrei
It's no wonder that when the National Security Agency
cut into an Atlantic
cable for intelligence gathering they said it was like
trying to drink
Niagra Falls.
.Emmett (sorry, I just have to
get my off topic in
now and then; but at least I put it in the subject
line. Go Arlos)
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Marine aquaponics
From: Ronald Polka
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:31:04 -0600
At 05:21 PM 7/15/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>SNIP
>
>Have you gotten a water analyses yet and if so what
was the mineral
>content? Could you grow say giant clams for export?
Coral to ship to city
>markets?
>
>I am attempting to find more data on wells in the
area. I have data on
>temps, etc. but not mineral content as yet I know
that the Total Dissolved
>Solids (TDS) levels are off the scale for human
consumption in many of the
>areas surrounding Gila Bend, Arizona. Also the
Flouride levels are at or
>exceeding toxic levels to humans. Are fish affected
in the same way as
>humans by high Flouride concentrations? TSD levels
have been sampled at
>900 mg/l to about 5,000 mg/l in 1979 (Sebenik, 1981).
Flouride levels
>ranged from 0.5 to 6.2 mg/l. Water temperatures range
from 105 degrees
>near Hyder, AZ west of Gila Bend, to 167 degrees F
from just north of Gila
>Bend in Perryville, AZ. I am searching the United
States Geological
>Survey, Arizona Department of Water Resources, and
other sites to try and
>find water sample data. Anyone know of other sites
for water quality data?
>I might just go out there and pull some samples from
several farmer's
>irrigation canals, etc. and have them analyzed as
well. Any suggestions on
>the least expensive solution to have water samples
analyzed for mineral
>content?
>
>SNIP
>Robby
Robby
You may want to look at the following paper
available by request
from the Oregon Institute of Technology. It may have
information on the
resource that you are interested in.
Final Report Low-Temperature Resource Assessment
Program
Introduction
by Paul J. Lienau
and Howard Ross
The U.S. Department of Energy-Geothermal Division
(DOE/GD) recently
sponsored the Low-Temperature Resource
Assessment project to update the inventory of the
nation's low- and
moderate-temperature geothermal resources and to
encourage development of these resources. A database
of 8,977 thermal wells
and springs that are in the temperature range of
20 C to 150 C has been compiled for ten western
states, an impressive
increase of 82% compared to the previous
assessments. The database includes location
descriptive data, physical
parameters, water chemistry and references for source
of data. Computer-generated maps are also available
for each state. State
Teams have identified 48 high priority areas for
near-term comprehensive resource studies and
development. Resources with
temperatures greater than 50 C located within 8
km of a population center were identified for 271
collocated cities.
Geothermal energy cost-evaluation software has been
developed to quickly identify the cost of geothermally
supplied heat to
these areas in a fashion similar to that used for
conventionally fueled heat sources.
Website
http://geoheat.oit.edu/techpap.htm#geo
Look in the Geothermal Resources section.
Ron Polka
Southwest Technology Development Institute
New Mexico State University
Box 30001, Dept 3SOL
Las Cruces, NM 88003
rpolka 'at' nmsu.edu
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Lateral thinking/Marine aquaponics
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:45:28 -0700
Hi folks,
BTW Mark Allen, great post on lateral thinking. Where
I was trained in
Europe, was a world leader in training
electromechanics BTW, (similar to
you no?) we were schooled in brainstorming, from the
first hour.
This involved sitting in groups to discuss how to pull
down say, a cam
controlled contactor box. After moving from
argumentative teens who
"knew it all best", we were motivated to cut down the
time lost to get a
concencus, and that was usually to get as many ideas
in as quickly as
possible, even "freaky", "left field" and "crazy"
ones.
One example. While fixing a submersible pump for a
client, yesterday, he
stood beside me talking. I was looking for an O-ring
to seal the last
cover when he happened to see the searching look on my
face. He asked
what I was looking for and I kept saying an O-ring.he kept saying oh,
you had it
it was a round, flat piece of rubber
My nature would be to tell him, no, thats NOT an
O-ring
it was actually
a membrane, but in taking it into my hand, (if even to
educate him, I
realised that the membrane he thought was the o-ring,
had in fact got a
"rim" around the edge that acted like an O-ring. So,
by keeping an open
mind, I realise that anything is possible, and had not
wasted time had I
fortified my stance.
All over the world Ive been humbled to realise that my
"first world"
training blisters and fades fast under the glow of a
person doing the
same job under a tree in some remote place with a
hairpin, and I with
all my knowhow cant get it started without feeling
good without my large
box of tools.
Very interesting.
Being a lateral thinker then, I will send my ideas
into the "pool of
thought" here, not feeling embarrassed or ashamed, no
matter how left
field the ideas may be. (Cue for lurkers
hehehehe)
For brackish wells, think of health food, pet fish
food, gourmet or
delicatessen stuff (algae, rotifers, diatoms).Think
rare seawater fish
pet fish, as Bruce said corals, rocks, marine sand,
think particular
strains of bacteria, for research etc.
Bruce ID'd something for me as a leach and upon
further investigation I
found a person in the States making a mint on their
own "patented"
"hybrid" leach
. for medical use, to remove blood
clots.
One example of someone using brackish water to make a
mint is here. http://www.seaphire.com/agricult.htm
I hope this is inspirational to show it is possible to
find THAT
NICHE
hehehe it IS POSSIBLE.
(call me when you do
.lol :) )
Regards .Mike
. (melting under 32 deg heat and regular POWER
cuts
)
JAMAICA
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Robby now your talking
snip
> I will be using mangroves as nitrate sinks and
would also like to
> know about veggie crops that I can grow in salt
water.
> Bruce
| Message 20
Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
From: Ronald Polka
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:47:51 -0600
At 01:25 PM 7/16/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Will this mixture harm plastic greenhouse covering?
>
>Subject: RE: greenhouse paint
> 1 part bleached flour 2
> >parts fine grind (200 Mesh)calcium carbonate
lime
. enuf whole milk to
>make a thin
> >enuf mix to be put thru a pump sprayer. Holds up
only if you dont get rain
> >to wear off the coating. or wind to flex it off,
tho dont think this is an
> >
For a commercial mix you can buy "Kool Ray"
liquid shade. It comes
in Regular and Easy-Off. It is always diluted to
achieve the desired degree
of shading, with average dilution of 8 to 1. I have
used the Easy-Off and
found it can be washed off with some scrubbing after
being baked in the New
Mexico sun. I don't know how well it stands up in high
rainfall climates.
Price at about $26 per gallon. Can be sprayed or
rolled on, but rolling is
a little tricky because the thinned solution has so
much water the roller
likes to slide rather than roll but it still goes on
the plastic.
Manufacturer recommends Easy-Off for plastic and
Regular for glass. Try
your local greenhouse supplier.
I have used Kool Ray in the past but prefer
shadecloth for uniform
shading and as a means of providing some protection
from wind loading on
inflated poly roofs. When shade cloth is snugly
fastened to the gh gutter
it will deflect the force of some of the whipping that
can be seen on the
roof during high winds, thus adding to the lifespan of
the poly roof. I
would recommend knitted shadecloth over woven any day.
It will last much
longer because it does not unravel.
Ron Polka
Southwest Technology Development Institute
New Mexico State University
Box 30001, Dept 3SOL
Las Cruces, NM 88003
rpolka 'at' nmsu.edu
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Animals for heat conservation
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:47:45 -0500 (CDT)
Miriam in Europe it's common to use live stock to help
heat houses with
the animals being housed on the lower or basement
level and the folks
housed over them so I think that if you confined your
livestock in a
smaller attached and insulated room instead of trying
to heat the whole
big shed you should have a winner.
You can just put up temporary walls by stacking
straw bales to the
sealing and covering them with wire.
The animals should contribute CO2 to help the
greenhouse growing
operation
The fish tanks can be located anywhere convenient
and if you custom
make them yourself you will not be limited as to size
or shape for
instance you can use 8X8X16
brick stacked 4 high with out mortar and just line the
tank with pond
liner you can go any length and width this way or use
straw bales pinned
down with rebar stakes and again use pond liner.
I hope this helps
Bruce
| Message 22
Subject: Re: greenhouse for home heating
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:03:15 -0500 (CDT)
Pete try shadecloth and open windows,doors and
vents maybe try a
heat chiminy be innovative and inventive there is
always a way to
thoughs that never say or except it can't be done for
an answer.
Although do try to keep it simple so you can fix it
faster.
Bruce
| Message 23
Subject: lurker wanting to get feet wet
From: "Stephanie Rankin"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:29:29 -0700
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| Message 24
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:37:12 -0500
Paula says:
> I don't know that they have the capability for doing
this at the
conference,
> but they generally do sell a book of proceedings
after each annual
meeting.
> I'm sure Ted will know when he returns. Keep in
mind that Ted is probably
> just now returning home. I've received one comment
on his presentation:
>
Howdy, y'all
. I am back, but still tired. The
drive and the whole
nerve-jangling experience, etc, kinda zapped me. The
heat
.the heat
Good
Lord, have Mercy
my fan switch went bye-bye on my
truck
the AC still
works
but the fan won't blow me down
I tried
variations of window
adjustments until some kinda Venturi effect would
partially draw the cool
air out of the AC ducts
.necessity is a mother
.when
we pulled into the
parking lot of the Holiday Inn in Wichita Falls, the
temperature sign at the
hotel said " 115 degrees". I couldn't drink enough
ice water for about 8
hours. Funny, I can handle 95 F, but above 100F and I
start to undergo
brain and body melt after a few hours.
Terri the Secretary asked me to put together something
for the proceedings,
so I will do that, and it will be available on their
website later. The CD
file that y'all have been asking about is really
nothing all that
special
just a slide presentation, not a "how to do
it electronic
book"
.this presentation file is a 2.8 Meg
executable file. I don't
want to send that big of a file to somebody via email,
unless they really
want it for entertainment purposes, so I will just
trim it down to mostly
text and send it to SGVGA later, where y'all can pick
it up, if you
want
. Remember that this was just "Aquaponics
Fundamentals", which most
of you good people already know about, I think. This
was for the
un-initiated, if that is a proper term.
> >Ted did a great job!!! It was a little rocky
getting started because of
> >some equipment problems and he was nervous but did
GREAT. I heard one
woman
> >say she took more notes of Ted than the rest of the
day combined!
Well, I don't know about all that stuff
.yes,
indeed,
tho'
.definitely nervous, folks, but after the
equipment thing got taken
care of by a fellow presenter ( a true gentleman,
originally from Holland
now living in the USA) that kindly helped me set up
the whole thing, and
saved my "Anatomy"
then after 10 minutes or so of
cardiac/panic
recovery, we were off and running.
Actually, I had a lot more to say, and didn't quite
get it all stuffed
inside the boundaries of time and space
.I was
under the clock and it
just sort of happened extemporaneously
. Got
several questions from the
audience, and I tried to field them as best I could.
I think there is
definitely some general interest out there. Let's
face it
it is an
interesting topic, eh?
Overall?
the Conference was very good
kind,
helpful, and earnest
people there in attendence
. I was impressed by
the depth of knowledge,
the "comradery", and the kindness overall
These are
some pretty cool
folks.
So,
.I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that y'all check it out
and join if you are so
inclined. These people, this organization, could just
about forge a new,
fresh, freedom-enhancing, empowering paradigm if given
half a chance. Very
open, or at least kind and civil, toward ideas,
without loosing a sense of
the practical
. I am impressed
(From me wife, Kate: "This organization is a group
MOST supportive in all
things "greenhouse", from helping with pests, to
making a profit. I highly
recommend any of you wanting more support, contact
these folks and join.")
Kate and I had a good time. It was an adventure, and
after "the
presentation", we had an opportunity to kick back and
relax. We were both
grateful for that.
We met Cooper and Joyce Young
really great folks
with a viable operation
that's been happening for 20 years
.Real Texans
through and through
.Great
Big Hearts and Very Hard Workers
"Cut from a
Different Cloth" from 5
generations of Texans.
Loved it
. every bit of it
.took lotsa notes and
tried to learn more and
more and more.
Take home message? We can get there if we "try with a
little help from our
friends" and, of course, a little Grace from the Great
One.
Love and Peace and Home Grown T' maters
Ted
(Me Tired)
| Message 25
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:38:21 -0500
Steel Wool. NO SOAP
just plain old Steel Wool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jeppesen
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: RE: Iron in fish water ?
> Bert
> When my system was new I added IRONITE to the fish
tank with no illeffect
to the gold fish and Koi. but you can just put some
nails down where it is
wet in your grow beds and wait.
> Chris Jeppesen
>
> Iron in fish water
> >Does anyone have any experience in a suggestion for
an Iron Source that
may
> >be added to the fish tank water without causing
problems with the Tilapia
?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
| Message 26
Subject: freshwater crabs, crayfish, clams
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:42:37 -0500
Hi everyone,
Has anyone had an experience ordering from these
people?
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/misc_critters/critters.htm#Clams
I had been looking for a source of freshwater mussels
or
clams. The have an interesting selection of
shellfish.
Mark
| Message 27
Subject: Bonsai, Stephanie
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:48:21 -0700
Hi;
I'm thinking about building the little $150
greenhouse
.I'm looking forward
to all of your sage answers to Stephanie's questions.
Also, I'm surprised
.no takers on my bonsai
challenge? Or perhaps it was
buried too far down in my viral rants? Here's my
question again:
I really admire you for growing for
pleasure. My thumbs are pitch black (what am I doing
here? My mother's
whole body is green). I am trying to start some Jack
Pine seeds in the
refrigerator in hopes of cultivating a mini bonsai.
It was a little kit
that I bought on impulse at barnes and noble. Which
leads me to ask, are
there hydroponic bonsai? Would it be possible to rig
up a biome, a little
desktop setup that would be aquaponic? Perhaps, a koi
and bonsai, and some
sort of algae or lichten or something growing on the
roots of the bonsai to
feed the fish? Not much more going on than a basic
filter with some little
critter to eat extra waste and clean the water, and a
pump to aerate a bit?
Any dreamers care to throw some ideas out?
Thanks all.
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
| Message 28
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:01:34 -0500
At 09:26 AM 07/16/2001 EDT, Bert wrote:
>Paula, Thanks for the prompt reply. Our well water is
extremely soft water
>and the lab told me that means it also has a lot of
sodium .
>
>Some of my Aquaponic grow beds have signs of very
light green & yellow
>streaks and my Ph.D Horticulture cooperator says,
based on the labs analysis
>and Dr. Paul Nelsons (UNC) that we need more iron. He
has used a mixture in
>other situations however he doed not have any
experience with fish.
Bert - was this analysis made on the plant tissue, or
did you also have
samples taken of the irrigation water? If tissue
samples only, I would
have the water checked for iron content. If it's
present in the system, I
still think that adding Maxicrop may be the answer.
It contains many micronutrients, but my purpose in
adding it to our system
was for the enzymes that aid the plants in accessing
available nutrients.
Adding iron (in whatever form) will not guarantee that
it will be
accessible, but my understanding is that "chelated",
as Mark suggested, is
the most readily available to the plants.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 29
Subject: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:04:29 -0700
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Give each outher youe E-mail adderss dnd do it between
your selves.
QUIT FILLING EVERY ONE'S ON THIS LIST E-MAIL WITH
MEENLESS BUL SHIT
=20
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:16 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
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Mark,
Thank you very much.
Bert
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| Message 30
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:34:59 -0500
At 08:37 PM 07/16/2001 -0500, Ted wrote:
>Overall?
the Conference was very good
kind,
helpful, and earnest
>people there in attendence
. I was impressed by
the depth of knowledge,
>the "comradery", and the kindness overall
These
are some pretty cool
>folks.
>
>So,
.I HIGHLY RECOMMEND that y'all check it out
and join if you are so
>inclined. These people, this organization, could
just about forge a new,
>fresh, freedom-enhancing, empowering paradigm if
given half a chance. Very
>open, or at least kind and civil, toward ideas,
without loosing a sense of
>the practical
. I am impressed
>
>(From me wife, Kate: "This organization is a group
MOST supportive in all
>things "greenhouse", from helping with pests, to
making a profit. I highly
>recommend any of you wanting more support, contact
these folks and join.")
Welcome back, Ted and Kate! Glad things went well --
really glad you didn't
have complete meltdown with the heat.
And I second (or third) the comments on the
association -- great people,
wonderful information, and well worth the time to
attend their
presentations, field days, and annual meeting. Their
website is:
http://www.sgvga.org
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 31
Subject: Hold on -- was Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES
E-MAIL!
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:41:00 -0500
At 08:04 PM 07/16/2001 -0700, Thomas Short wrote:
>
>To:
>Mark and Bert and anyone else out there that whant to
cary on with each outher.
>Give each outher youe E-mail adderss dnd do it
between your selves.
>QUIT FILLING EVERY ONE'S ON THIS LIST E-MAIL WITH
MEENLESS
Thomas -- if you want to post to the list -- first,
turn off your HTML
coding and send in plain text. Second, as I posted
recently (perhaps before
you joined?):
>
>If there are concerns about the list and its
contents, subject matter, or
>other administrative problems, please address them to
me at
>
Courtesy is always appreciated, and Bert's small
message should not
adversely affect your mailbox. If you want to turn
the conversation to
something of more interest to you, you can always post
a question --- or
perhaps you might want to post your website for the
group to view?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 32
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:51:33 EDT
Sorry, I will take your advice and stop immediately.
Bert
| Message 33
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:49:40 EDT
Paula, Yes I had leaf tissue samples taken twice in
the same week and a quart
of fish water directly from the fish tank. We sent
samples from both the
Hydroponic as well as Aquaponic beds, since we are
trying to determine if
fish water fed to grow beds will give the same results
as hydroponic
solution. So far the results are mighty close with the
exception of the lack
of iron in the fish water.
Thanks to you and everyone who has sent me their
comments.
Bert
| Message 34
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:33:16 -0600
thomas,
IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS, you would
probably have your box
filled with about 400 posts asking you to take a chill
pill. Where does
it say that being rude is the solution to off-topic
posts. I am on 8 or 9
lists and there is always more noise made by
complainers than there are
off-topic posts. This list is not just the best
aquaponics list around,
it's the best list, period. It works better without
animosity. I was
taught to speak or write as if I'm within striking
distance of someone
I'm not happy with. I suggest a simple, "please
lighten up", would have a
better chance of getting results.
kris book
krisbook 'at' juno.com
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