Aquaponics Digest - Tue 07/17/01
Message 1: Re: off topic Shark message
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: animosity & highlighting
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 6: Re: Bonsai, Stephanie
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 7: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 8: Re: Animals for heat conservation
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 9: Re: lurker wanting to get feet wet
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 10: Report from Idaho
from "Arlos"
Message 11: RE: List etiquette - accessing sender
e-mail address
from "Carol Stone"
Message 12: Re: List etiquette - accessing sender
e-mail address
from "Ada Erickson"
Message 13: RE: lurker wanting to get feet wet
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 14: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/16/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 15: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/16/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 16: RE: Iron in Fish Water
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 17: Watch out for Lucky Bamboo Imports
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Re: Animal heat
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 19: Re: List etiquette - Forwarding?
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 20: Re: Bonsai, Stephanie
from Bill Patrick
Message 21: Re: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia,
call for Bonsai ideas
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 22: RE: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia,
call for Bonsai ideas
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
Message 23: mini aquaponic kits
from "Nelson and Pade"
Message 24: Re: Animal heat
from kris book
Message 25: Reply to - Re: Virus, the Opera Browser,
Paulownia, call for Bonsai ideas
from "David Atkinson"
Message 26: Reply to - Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES
E-MAIL!
from "David Atkinson"
Message 27: Reply to - Re: mini aquaponic kits
from "David Atkinson"
Message 28: Reply to - Re: List etiquette -
Forwarding?
from "David Atkinson"
Message 29: Unsubscribe
from Ppmjgillis 'at' aol.com
Message 30: Re: Animal heat
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 31: Re: Animal heat
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 32: Re: Animal heat
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 33: Unsubscribe
from Al Thompson
Message 34: Re: Fish Species compatibility
from "STEVE SPRING"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:48:25 -0500
Margi,
I have a better one than that for you & I don't think
in my rational &
abstract brain that it makes any sense at all.
"Meanie" died. "Meanie" was the father of probably 60%
of my fish. I named
him "Meanie" because he was so damned "mean". He
killed the other male
breeder that I had with him. He was a Tilapia
Niloticus "Red" (sp). I cut
his lips poorly when I first got him
.I was told that
you have to do this
to keep the males from hurting the females. You could
always spot him
because of the poor "surgery" that I did on him.
Whenever I cleaned the 55-gal that he was in, he was
totally fearless
.that
was his domain. When he got to be too big for the
55-gal, I placed him in my
2000 gal recirc. system just so he could have a place
to live. Whenever I
cleaned out anything, he was always there
.TOTALLY
FEARLESS! RIGHT ON TOP
OF EVERYTHING! He would always be defensive of his
babies & his harem.
Well, my wife came up from the "farm" one day and
said, "Meanie is dead."
She had him in a net and said, "Well something will
eat him." (We live in
semi-country.) The next morning when I came home, (I
work nights.) he was
still there
.flies all over him. I couldn't stand
it. Such a Valiant
Warrior to be eaten by flies. I picked him up and
buried him. I even took my
cap off and said "goodbye". This is really true. I
actually did this.
(Brings tears to my eyes even thinking about it.)
POINT TO ALL OF THIS RAMBLING IS: I went for over 2
days where none of the
fish would eat. The fish in the recirc. system
wouldn't eat, not would the
tilapia in cages in the pond. I know this sounds
stupid, but it is true.
(HAD A PROBLEM WITH A LIGHT THE NEXT DAY. I WAS ON A
LADDER ON SOME STAIRS
WORKING WITH LIVE ELECTRICITY. THE ELECTRICAL FIXTURE
BLEW ITSELF OUT OF THE
WALL. I WASN'T HURT! I said, "Thank you, Meanie." We
never know when
"points" will be counted.)
Hope this "silly" off-post, non-technical post doesn't
offend anyone.
I,somehow, just feel that by giving this "stupid" fish
a decent burial maybe
"saved my life". I know this is dumb. But, you "kind
of" had to be there.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
Dear Arlos
I felt really nervous to join this discussion group:
it is difficult to
participate when you have nothing to contribute but
are always asking for
help. I was astounded by the spirit of generosity
that welcomed me and the
advice I acted on is showing really positive results.
Perhaps you would
reconsider leaving the discussion group: I lurked for
so long that I came
to like you and Ted and Bruce and Andrei and Steve etc
as people: it was the
informal chat that made you seem approachable enough
for me to come out of
hiding.
I have worked from home the last few years and it is
the personal
interaction of office life that I miss most.
Sometimes the most off- topic
ideas generate the impetus for your own best ideas. In
this new venture of
mine there are no "off- topics"- they create
boundaries and nothing ever
changes for the better when you self impose limits.
For every person who
cannot find their delete button there is someone like
me who appreciates the
interaction and very useful information.
Besides I have never met a fish person who can resist
a story. So stay and
tell me why my Tilapia are ravenously eating
everything in sight after a
self imposed hunger strike of ten days. Everyone in
Bronkhorstspruit has
had their two cents theory: including that the fish
know the sun in on it's
way back to our part of the world. Who am I to argue.
For better or for worse
Margi Gibbison
| Message 2
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:05:35 -0500
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Hey Thomas,
What's up "bro"?=20
Mark, Bert, myself and many others work very hard and
contribute a lot =
of information to this list. (Sometimes pro, sometimes
con and sometimes =
just BS.) We don't, as you do, just pop up "out of a
blue moon" as some =
others have done recently and criticize everyone.
If you don't like what you are receiving, there is a
key on your =
keyboard that says delete. Or if this is not
sufficient, there is a =
magic word that you can use called "unsubscribe". It
isn't rocket =
science. But, pls. in the future, if you wish to
chastise us at the =
list, pls. learn how to spell
.I hate dealing with
morons.
This is, and always will be, "Socially Insensitive"
Steve.
If you wish to blast us further, pls. do so at:
careplus 'at' execpc.com. =
This also applies to all of you folks who have jumped
"out of the =
woodwork" lately to knock us. We at the aquaponics
list have a very fine =
family. You are welcome to join us. But, pls. quit
trying to tell all of =
us how to run our house.
These are just my thoughts and have nothing to do with
the list =
moderator.=20
Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Thomas Short=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:04 PM
Subject: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
To:
Mark and Bert and anyone else out there that whant
to cary on with =
each outher.
Give each outher youe E-mail adderss dnd do it
between your selves.
QUIT FILLING EVERY ONE'S ON THIS LIST E-MAIL WITH
MEENLESS BUL SHIT
----- Original Message -----
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:16 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Iron in fish water ?
Mark,
Thank you very much.
Bert
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Hey Thomas,
What's up "bro"?
Mark, Bert, myself and many
others work =
very hard=20
and contribute a lot of information to this list.
(Sometimes pro, =
sometimes con=20
and sometimes just BS.) We don't, as you do, just pop
up "out of a blue =
moon" as=20
some others have done recently and criticize
everyone.
If you don't like what you are
receiving, there =
is a key=20
on your keyboard that says delete. Or if this is not
sufficient, there =
is a=20
magic word that you can use called "unsubscribe". It
isn't rocket =
science. But,=20
pls. in the future, if you wish to chastise us at the
list, pls. learn =
how to=20
spell
.I hate dealing with morons.
This is, and always will be,
"Socially =
Insensitive"=20
Steve
.
If you wish to blast us
further, pls. do so =
at: careplus 'at' execpc.com. This also =
applies to=20
all of you folks who have jumped "out of the woodwork"
lately to knock =
us. We at=20
the aquaponics list have a very fine family. You are
welcome to join us. =
But,=20
pls. quit trying to tell all of us how to run our
house.
These are just my thoughts and
have nothing to =
do with the=20
list moderator.
Steve
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
Thomas =
Short
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Monday,
July 16, 2001 =
10:04=20
PM
Subject: QUIT
JAMMING UP =
EVERYONES=20
E-MAIL!
To:
Mark and Bert and anyone else out
there that whant to =
cary on=20
with each outher.
Give each outher youe E-mail
adderss dnd do it =
between=20
your selves.
QUIT FILLING EVERY ONE'S ON THIS
LIST E-MAIL WITH =
MEENLESS BUL=20
SHIT
----- Original
Message -----
From: Bertmcl 'at' aol.com
Sent:
Monday, July 16, 2001 =
1:16=20
PM
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject:
Re: Iron in fish =
water ?
Mark,
Thank you very=20
much.
Bert
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:07:12 -0500
Hey Bert,
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
Sorry, I will take your advice and stop immediately.
Bert
| Message 4
Subject: animosity & highlighting
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:12:40 -0500
Hi Gang,
O.K. Enough of this Thomas and all of the others who
have been chastising
us. We are family and we always survive.
I spoke with Bruce the other day and he said that my
emails have been coming
through with some sort of highlighting. I haven't
changed anything. If there
is a problem, pls. let me know.
I will hopefully be starting Pacu farming shortly.
Should be interesting.
Keep in touch.
Thanks
.Steve :)
| Message 5
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:31:12 -0700
Well said Steve my brother, thats all I need to say
here.
Its amazing what a little "tough love" can do
. I see
it goes a long
way
:>
You tell em!! We may not always approach things the
same way
.but I
need to give credit where its due. This is not a list
to be milked at
random, this is FAMILY. Some of us here go back
years
lol
Hugs and backslaps
.heehehehe :>
Your brother in the Caribbean
:>
Mike
JAMAICA
STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> Hey Thomas,
>
> What's up "bro"?
>
> Mark, Bert, myself and many others work very hard
and contribute a
> lot of information to this list. (Sometimes pro,
sometimes con and
> sometimes just BS.) We don't, as you do, just pop up
"out of a blue
> moon" as some others have done recently and
criticize everyone.
>
> If you don't like what you are receiving, there is a
key on your
> keyboard that says delete. Or if this is not
sufficient, there is a
> magic word that you can use called "unsubscribe". It
isn't rocket
> science. But, pls. in the future, if you wish to
chastise us at the
> list, pls. learn how to spell
.I hate dealing with
morons.
>
> This is, and always will be, "Socially Insensitive"
Steve.>
> If you wish to blast us further, pls. do so at:
careplus 'at' execpc.com.
> This also applies to all of you folks who have
jumped "out of the
> woodwork" lately to knock us. We at the aquaponics
list have a very
> fine family. You are welcome to join us. But, pls.
quit trying to tell
> all of us how to run our house.
>
> These are just my thoughts and have nothing to do
with the list
> moderator.
>
> Steve
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Bonsai, Stephanie
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:44:15 -0500
Ada,
I don't see why a bonsai would be much different from
the desktop Beta
Fish/Peace Lily combinations which are so popular
today in pet supply
stores
.only much more interesting. I say, go for
it! You might not
even need the pump
.and given the fast hydro growth
rates you may get
a completed bonsai in shorter time than usual.
I do think you'll need supplemental food for the fish,
however. If
you do a google search you will find a site that has
some excellent
suggestions for the Beta/Peace Lilly people that would
be worth
looking at. Sorry don't have a URL.
Let us know how it goes and I might just take that
3-year-old Bonsai
Kit out of the closet and give it a try.
> Would it be possible to rig up a biome, a little
> desktop setup that would be aquaponic? Perhaps, a
koi and bonsai,
and some
> sort of algae or lichten or something growing on the
roots of the
bonsai to
> feed the fish? Not much more going on than a basic
filter with some
little
> critter to eat extra waste and clean the water, and
a pump to aerate
a bit?
Adriana
| Message 7
Subject: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:09:14 -0500
Kris and Others,
It appears that some people might not be sending
private e-mails and
are posting to the list because they don't know how to
access the
sender's e-mail address.
If you use Outlook or Outlook Express, you can access
a sender's
e-mail address on the list by simply clicking on the
sender's name in
your "Inbox" list just like you would if you wanted to
add a sender to
your address book. Clicking on the name will open a
new address book
card and you can cut and past the e-mail address and
reply directly.
Be sure to cut- and -paste to remove the Aquaponic
list from the "To"
section of your reply.
> IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS, you would
probably have
your box
> filled with about 400 posts asking you to take a
chill pill.
Adriana
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Animals for heat conservation
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:57:02 -0400
Bruce,
where in Europe do they use animals for home heating?
I lived and worked
for 18 years in Europe and I am yet to see a single
home where the animals
were even housed in an attached building. All European
homes that I have
seen have the barn as a separate structure.
Now, I have not been to Albania or Portugal, but I
doubt they would be any
different than the French, Germans, Swiss, Italian,
Greeks, Serbs,
Hungarians, Romanians, and Poles among whom I lived
and worked.
This has got to be an urban myth.
Now, the truth is that Europeans are far more advanced
in the use of animal
by-products in the production of methane, and I am
sure there are plenty a
home that take advantage of this free source of fuel.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment
or disclose the
contents to any other person.
| Message 9
Subject: Re: lurker wanting to get feet wet
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:59:08 -0400
Stephanie,
there are several setups for educational purposes that
run in as little as
200 gallons with one grow bed that is 4 feet by 8 feet
in size and one foot
deep.
For our Metric friends, the 200 gallons are about 750
liters, and the grow
bed is about 120cm by 240cm by 30cm deep.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If
you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the
sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you
are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment
or disclose the
contents to any other person.
"Stephanie Rankin"
To:
Sent by: cc:
aquaponics-request 'at' t
Subject: lurker wanting to get feet wet
ownsqr.com
07/16/01 10:29 PM
Please respond to
aquaponics
Hi all, I've been lurking for a while now but am
really wanting to get my
feet wet. What is the smallest tank that can be
effectively used? How long
do I have to run the system before I can add fish? How
deep do my beds need
to be? Do I pump the water directly from the tank to
the beds? OK have I
asked enough questions yet? LOL
Stephanie
| Message 10
Subject: Report from Idaho
From: "Arlos"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:14:01 -0700
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Hola Amigos,
Gad Zooks, you leave town for a few days and you
find 137 pieces of =
email when you return. Boy you guys are a bunch of
busy beavers indeed. =
Four days is not nearly enough time to begin looking
at geothermal =
operations especially since there is no, "Idiots guide
to Geothermal =
Aquaponics in Idaho" I did manage to see a place
called, "Lava Farms" in =
Horseshoe Bend that was raising corn in green houses.
OK, so in =
California we don't know good corn from "Expletive of
your choice placed =
here" but this was without a doubt the sweetest corn I
have ever tasted. =
cooking it over wood coals didn't hurt along with the
Rainbow trout we =
caught. On that matter I noticed something about the
meat difference in =
native verses hatchery raised. the meat on the wild is
pink, on the =
hatchery fish it's white (rainbow trout). Yet another
thread for =
conversation in here. I didn't get a chance to see the
coral Farm this =
trip but I'm going back up in Sept. Done properly,
geothermal is a great =
resource for not only warming the green house during
the winter but =
water quality can make for some interesting nutriant
uptake or simply as =
an excellent heat exchange medium.
More to come in another update
Arlos
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Hola
Amigos,
Gad Zooks,
you leave town for =
a few days=20
and you find 137 pieces of email when you return. Boy
you guys are a =
bunch of=20
busy beavers indeed. Four days is not nearly enough
time to begin =
looking at=20
geothermal operations especially since there is no,
"Idiots guide =
to=20
Geothermal Aquaponics in Idaho" I did manage to
see a place called, =
"Lava Farms" in Horseshoe Bend that was
raising corn in green =
houses.=20
OK, so in California we don't know good corn from
"Expletive of =
your choice=20
placed here" but this was without a doubt the
sweetest corn I have =
ever=20
tasted. cooking it over wood coals didn't hurt along
with the Rainbow =
trout we=20
caught. On that matter I noticed something about the
meat difference in =
native=20
verses hatchery raised. the meat on the wild is pink,
on the hatchery =
fish it's=20
white (rainbow trout). Yet another thread for
conversation in here. I =
didn't get=20
a chance to see the coral Farm this trip but I'm going
back up in Sept. =
Done=20
properly, geothermal is a great resource for not only
warming the green =
house=20
during the winter but water quality can make for some
interesting =
nutriant=20
uptake or simply as an excellent heat exchange
medium.
More to
come in another=20
update
Arlos
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| Message 11
Subject: RE: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
From: "Carol Stone"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:24:44 -0400
I know that in Outlook, if you don't double-click on
the message but just
look at the preview pane, it looks like the sender's
e-mail address is not
available. If you actually double-click on the e-mail
message it opens up,
and where in my header below it says "behalf of
."
there's actually a full
e-mail address of the person who sent the e-mail.
Please do not read this attempt to be helpful in
e-mail reading as an
agreement that there's something wrong wit the way
anyone's posting
. in
fact I'm quite behind on this list and I'm working my
way backward through
the posts, so I have no idea yet what all the
hullabaloo is about.
-carol
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
gutierrez-lagatta
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:09 AM
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
>
>
>
> Kris and Others,
> It appears that some people might not be sending
private e-mails and
> are posting to the list because they don't know how
to access the
> sender's e-mail address.
>
> If you use Outlook or Outlook Express, you can
access a sender's
> e-mail address on the list by simply clicking on the
sender's name in
> your "Inbox" list just like you would if you wanted
to add a sender to
> your address book. Clicking on the name will open a
new address book
> card and you can cut and past the e-mail address and
reply directly.
> Be sure to cut- and -paste to remove the Aquaponic
list from the "To"
> section of your reply.
> > IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS, you would
probably have
> your box
> > filled with about 400 posts asking you to take a
chill pill.
>
> Adriana
>
| Message 12
Subject: Re: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
From: "Ada Erickson"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:30:14 -0700
If you need the email address and you're using outlook
and only see a name:
a) open the message by double clicking on it, or press
reply or forward
b) right click on the name, and choose properties from
the pop up menu. You
will see a line where it says email address.
c) copy it by highlighting it and pressing ctrl-c
d) select "forward," "reply," or "new" to open a
message
e) paste the address into the to: line using the menus
or ctrl-v.
This actually goes a lot faster than it seems and
allows you keep the
message body intact. Used this technique just this
morning to send a
"colorful" message to someone with no sense of
spelling blasting out of
place
hmmm
.but I DIGRESS *grin*.
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Stone"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
> I know that in Outlook, if you don't double-click on
the message but just
> look at the preview pane, it looks like the sender's
e-mail address is not
> available. If you actually double-click on the
e-mail message it opens
up,
> and where in my header below it says "behalf of
."
there's actually a
full
> e-mail address of the person who sent the e-mail.
>
> Please do not read this attempt to be helpful in
e-mail reading as an
> agreement that there's something wrong wit the way
anyone's posting
. in
> fact I'm quite behind on this list and I'm working
my way backward through
> the posts, so I have no idea yet what all the
hullabaloo is about.
>
> -carol
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
> > [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf
Of gutierrez-lagatta
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:09 AM
> > To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> > Subject: List etiquette - accessing sender e-mail
address
> >
> >
> >
> > Kris and Others,
> > It appears that some people might not be sending
private e-mails and
> > are posting to the list because they don't know
how to access the
> > sender's e-mail address.
> >
> > If you use Outlook or Outlook Express, you can
access a sender's
> > e-mail address on the list by simply clicking on
the sender's name in
> > your "Inbox" list just like you would if you
wanted to add a sender to
> > your address book. Clicking on the name will open
a new address book
> > card and you can cut and past the e-mail address
and reply directly.
> > Be sure to cut- and -paste to remove the Aquaponic
list from the "To"
> > section of your reply.
> > > IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS, you
would probably have
> > your box
> > > filled with about 400 posts asking you to take a
chill pill.
> >
> > Adriana
> >
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: RE: lurker wanting to get feet wet
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:47:51 -0500
Hi Stephanie,
Glad you decided to join the discussion. The size of
the system depends on your needs and what you are
wanting.
Are you wanting to harvest some fish for food or just
wanting to see a small aquaponics system operate?.
Do you already have fish tanks that can be used?
While
the 200 gal+ systems will allow you to harvest more
fish and produce, you can use smaller tanks. Mine
is only a 55 gal aquarium feeding a 2'x4' growbed
above it
that is 9" deep. Since the beds aren't as deep as the
recommended
12" and I am going to see if I can flood the bed from
the bottom rather than using an irrigation grid on the
top,
the water will be exposed to less media than usual.
So my
effective bed depth for biological filtration will
only
be about 7" or so. This may not be enough so I am
also using
the bio-wheels that I used in my cichlid tanks. For
now,
my pumps are just the canister filters I used on my
aquariums.
The system only takes up 8 sq ft of floor space in the
basement.
This is from one of Mike's posts
.good info about
cycling
a new tank
.(thanks Mike)
---
Acclimating the Biofilter
Before you add fish to a new system, you must build up
a
healthy bacteria population to process their wastes.
Inoculating the water in your system with the
appropriate
bacteria can decrease the acclimation period. There
are
several different products available from a variety of
fish
supply catalogs. You can add pure ammonia (about one
capful
per tank per day)to the system until ammonia (NH3)
levels
reach 1.0 mg/l. Maintain 1.0 mg/l ammonia levels for
at
least 2 weeks before adding fish. After one week,
begin
monitoring the nitrite (NO2 -) levels. Stabile ammonia
and
nitrite levels indicate that the biofilter is ready
for fish.
---
One product readily available to help start bacteria
colonies
is called Stress-Zyme. Wal-Mart or any pet store
should have it.
Another system that I want to try doesn't use a bed at
all.
It uses a floating raft. My 90 gal tank will be setup
for this.
Biological filtration will be different, most likely
rotating
biological contactors like the bio-wheels above.
Solids will
not have a bed to break down in and will need removed.
Bruce
gave me the idea for setting up a tank with freshwater
clams/mussels
in a gravel bed to filter the water (thanks Bruce). I
am
working on this and would prefer living filters to
mechanical
ones.
I hope this helped
.have to run
Mark
-----
Hi all, I've been lurking for a while now but am
really
wanting to get my feet wet. What is the smallest tank
that
can be effectively used? How long do I have to run
the
system before I can add fish? How deep do my beds need
to
be? Do I pump the water directly from the tank to the
beds?
OK have I asked enough questions yet? LOL
Stephanie
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/16/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:25:27 EDT
In a message dated 7/16/01 11:11:37 PM Central
Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< Regards . Mike
. (melting under 32 deg heat and regular POWER
cuts
)
JAMAICA >>
******************************************************************************
************
Mike,
If you want to warm up, come to Alabama. It is 36 in
my back yard today. We
have plenty of power. No AC at my house by choice. I
had to work in AC for 30
years, but I be damned if I will live in it now that I
am retired.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/16/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:38:33 EDT
In a message dated 7/16/01 11:11:37 PM Central
Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< For a commercial mix you can buy "Kool Ray" liquid
shade. It comes
in Regular and Easy-Off. It is always diluted to
achieve the desired degree
of shading, with average dilution of 8 to 1. I have
used the Easy-Off and
found it can be washed off with some scrubbing after
being baked in the New
Mexico sun. I don't know how well it stands up in
high rainfall climates. >>
****************************************************************
I have used "Kool Ray " here in Alabama where we
average 55 inches of rain a
year and it works rather well.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 16
Subject: RE: Iron in Fish Water
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:02:43
Bert,
Finally, I've found a moment to catch up on emails and
noticed your post
from a few days back regarding iron supplementation.
Iron Chelate is the
way to go for readily available iron for your plants.
For our lettuce and
vegetable systems here at UVI we maintain a
concentration of 2 mg/l.
Without regular additions, our iron levels drop below
1ppm and plants begin
to yellow. Within 2 days of adding the chelated iron,
our plants green up.
That makes me wonder why your aquaponic solution is
testing at 25 mg/l.
Have you added any form of iron yet during your
trials? Do you know the
iron concentration of your source water? Our source
for Chelated Iron is
Hydro-Gardens (www.hydro-gardens.com) Paula also
mentioned Maxicrop, which
is an extract from seaweed containing chelated minor
elements. I've used
this often on home crops and also notice quick
greening-up. Finally, someone
else mentioned the availability of iron may be the
problem in your system.
Take a look in one of your soil-less culture books and
you should find a
chart relating plant nutrient availability and pH
levels. The one I have
indicates that the availability of Iron drops sharply
as the pH of your
water increases above 7.0. If you are running your
aquaponic system at a
high pH, that's probably your problem. Allow the pH
to lower back to the
6.0-7.0 range and you should notice the plants
greening quickly.
As far as problems with the fish, you should have no
problems with your
Tilapia. Some of the more sensitive cold water
species are intolerant of
elevated levels of Iron (trout for instance), as the
particulates irritate
the gills and lead to secondary problems. Tilapia are
TOUGH!
And taste GREAT, too!!
Hope this helps, no need for a Thank-you reply. I know
you're good for it!
Charlie
Sunny St. Croix
<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Iron (ppm Fe) in Aquaponic Zinnia leaf to be 25 ppm
in AquaponicDahlia leaf to be 34
ppm
Does anyone have any experience in a suggestion for an
Iron Source that may
be added to the fish tank water without causing
problems with the Tilapia ?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
________
http://www.hotmail.com.
| Message 17
Subject: Watch out for Lucky Bamboo Imports
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:21:52 -0500
Just a word of caution, folks.
Asian tiger mosquitoes, Aedes albopictus, known to
carry Dengue
fever and encephalitis, were discovered in June at Los
Angeles Harbor
and at a L.A. wholesale nursery in containers of
imported Dracaena
sanderiana, referred to as lucky bamboo. The
containers held 2-3 inches
of water, which facilitated mosquito breeding. L.A.
County Dept. of
Health Services implemented measures to control the
problem. All new
incoming shipments of the plant will be held at port
and inspected. D.
sanderiana has become a popular imported pot plant,
especially among
Asians who consider the plant to be a good luck charm.
A county health
officer said this is the first time the mosquito has
been found on the
West Coast. smiladin 'at' glacvector.org;
www.lapublichealth.org. Source:
Los Angeles Times.
Keep your eyes peeled.
Ted
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Animal heat
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:10:14 -0500 (CDT)
Andrei over the years I've seen it done several times
in the National
Geographic in Norway and in the Swiss Alps I believe
in the farm back
country and than there is the stories told me by my
family elders which
are mostly from Norway and Germany. It was once a
widely held practice
especially in the mountains in northern Europe
Bruce
| Message 19
Subject: Re: List etiquette - Forwarding?
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:17:54 -0500 (CDT)
So how do I forward a message to the list? every time
that I have tried
I just get unreadable garbage back
Bruce
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Bonsai, Stephanie
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:47:40 -0400
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I'm thinking about building the little $150
greenhouse
.I'm looking forward
> to all of your sage answers to Stephanie's
questions.
>
> Also, I'm surprised
.no takers on my bonsai
challenge? Or perhaps it was
> buried too far down in my viral rants? Here's my
question again:
>
Ada,
There used to be a kit out there for desktop
aquaponics and I was
searching around for it last night but could not find
it. I did however
find this booklet that may help you. Check it out 'at'
http://www.aquaponics.com/pr_daqua.htm
Bill
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia, call
for Bonsai ideas
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:46:00 -0500 (CDT)
Hey Aquaponicers go over to bsaffell 'at' mayhillpress.com
and look at this
months news letter Miriam you to
Bruce
| Message 22
Subject: RE: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia, call
for Bonsai ideas
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:54:05 -0400
I think this is the link to this month's newsletter.
http://www.mayhillpress.com/7-16-01.html
I had printed a lot of their archives but this one
wasn't posted yet.
Thanks for reminding me to go back, Bruce.
Mark
----
Hey Aquaponicers go over to bsaffell 'at' mayhillpress.com
and look at this
months news letter Miriam you to
Bruce
| Message 23
Subject: mini aquaponic kits
From: "Nelson and Pade"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:56:27 -0700
> There used to be a kit out there for desktop
aquaponics and I was
> searching around for it last night but could not
find it. I did however
> find this booklet that may help you. Check it out 'at'
> http://www.aquaponics.com/pr_daqua.htm
Aquatic Eco Systems manufactures mini aquaponic kits
that start at 17.5
gallons. Larger sizes are also available. The system
is an acrylic aquarium,
float system and lights, pumps and all related equip.
I've got one in my
kitchen and grow herbs in it. It is a very slick and
attractive little unit.
You can learn more about them at www.aquaticeco.com -
search aquaponics.
Rebecca Nelson
Nelson/Pade Multimedia - Aquaponics Journal
www.aquaponics.com
tel: 209-742-6869 fax: 209-742-4402
| Message 24
Subject: Re: Animal heat
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:00:40 -0600
Bruce,
I know I have seen drawings just like you described. I
can't remember
which book I saw them in but, I will. More off-topic:
If you are
interested in community still, I just got a fantastic
post today. I'll
forward it if you want. krisbook 'at' juno.com
| Message 25
Subject: Reply to - Re: Virus, the Opera Browser,
Paulownia, call for Bonsai ideas
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:55:28 -0400
I received a message today from HAHAHA, but I deleted
it without opening it.
I am therefore unable determine the source of the
message.
David A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ada Erickson
To:
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:01 AM
Subject: Virus, the Opera Browser, Paulownia, call for
Bonsai ideas
> This is the only list to which I subscribe.
>
> Symantec's analysis states that the virus spreads by
harvesting emails
only
> from outgoing messages sent from an infected
computer. I conclude that
> someone sent a message to aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
and the virus
harvested
> the address. Some people would not have gotten the
message because of
> filters set by their ISPs, or possibly by the
provider of their web-based
> email. It might have been sent by someone who has
since unsubscribed,
since
> only subscribers can post to the list.
>
> I am not sure what you meant by, "sent to the
originator of a message in
the
> unread email box of a
> > recipient." I have stopped receiving the
messages, and I am guessing
that
> the virus has some way of checking whether or not a
recipient activated
the
> program and sends a few more tries their way in
hopes of fooling them,
their
> ISP, or their AV software.
>
> Anyway, whether my conclusions are correct or not,
we should all double
> check our inboxes for a message from "hahaha" and
leave it at that.
>
> For those of you who dislike Outlook, Internet
Explorer, or what have you,
I
> am experimenting with the Opera 5 browser. It is
really fabulous.
Internet
> Explorer alone is over 100 MB, yet Opera 5 offers
instant messaging
through
> ICQ, an email client, and a fully functioning
browser for a tiny download
of
> 10MB. It also has some really great intuative
features. It's a lot
faster,
> and much better for older computers. It will run on
a 486!
>
> Thanks for sharing about the Paulownia! I really
admire you for growing
for
> pleasure. My thumbs are pitch black (what am I
doing here? My mother's
> whole body is green). I am trying to start some
Jack Pine seeds in the
> refrigerator in hopes of cultivating a mini bonsai.
It was a little kit
> that I bought on impulse at barnes and noble. Which
leads me to ask, are
> there hydroponic bonsai? Would it be possible to
rig up a biome, a little
> desktop setup that would be aquaponic? Perhaps, a
koi and bonsai, and
some
> sort of algae or lichten or something growing on the
roots of the bonsai
to
> feed the fish? Not much more going on than a basic
filter with some
little
> critter to eat extra waste and clean the water, and
a pump to aerate a
bit?
>
> Any dreamers care to throw some ideas out?
>
> Ada Erickson
> www.primadonnasrevenge.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Virus Update
>
>
> > At 06:23 AM 07/14/2001 -0700, Ada wrote:
> > >Robert Rogers received the email too.
> > >
> > >Therefore, the virus is coming from someone on
the list.
> > >
> > >Please check your computers. Removal
instructions are available at the
> link
> > >I previously posted.
> >
> > Ada - the virus you mentioned later with the
random letters in the .exe
> > attachment, as I remember, comes not from a
message sent to the list,
but
> > are sent to the originator of a message in the
unread email box of a
> > recipient (list member or private email). I just
received one after
> posting
> > a message to the tilapia group, and it had
happened before on a
genealogy
> > list to which I belong.
> >
> > Yes, everyone should do a virus check on their
computer often, even with
a
> > virus program in place. But the HAHAHA virus is
not necessarily coming
> from
> > someone on this list -- it's too random, and I
haven't seen it tied to
any
> > one person's postings. If you can track it, I'd
be glad to address this
> to
> > the individual involved.
> >
> > Problem is, most of our email addresses are logged
many places on the
> > internet -- it could be coming from so many
places. Since Bruce only
> > subscribes to this list, perhaps it is our
problem. But, Bruce, is your
> > webtv address accessible through any of the search
registry's? Could be
> > that as well.
> >
> > Paula
> > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains,
MO 65775
417-256-5124
> > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
> >
> >
| Message 26
Subject: Reply to - Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES
E-MAIL!
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:09:30 -0400
Well said Kris.
David A.
----- Original Message -----
From: kris book
To:
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: QUIT JAMMING UP EVERYONES E-MAIL!
> thomas,
>
> IF YOU WOULD LEAVE YOUR PRIVATE ADDRESS, you would
probably have your box
> filled with about
snip
, snip
| Message 27
Subject: Reply to - Re: mini aquaponic kits
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:20:22 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Nelson and Pade
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: mini aquaponic kits
> > There used to be a kit out there for desktop
aquaponics and I was
> > searching around for it last night but could not
find it. I did however
> > find this booklet that may help you. Check it out
'at'
> > http://www.aquaponics.com/pr_daqua.htm
>
I HAVE A COPY OF THE BOOKLET. IT IS SIMPLE AND
EXPLANATIONS TO BUILD YOUR
OWN SYSTEM ARE VERY CLEAR.
David A
| Message 28
Subject: Reply to - Re: List etiquette - Forwarding?
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:41:11 -0400
Bruce,
Look in the sub-menu of the menu bar for the 'button'
forward. Click on it
and when the next dialogue box opens insert the email
address of the person
you wish to forward the message to. After which you
hit 'send'. Voila.
Hope this helps.
Let me know off-list if it works.
(atkindw 'at' cybervale.com)
David A.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: List etiquette - Forwarding?
> So how do I forward a message to the list? every
time that I have tried
> I just get unreadable garbage back
> Bruce
| Message 29
Subject: Unsubscribe
From: Ppmjgillis 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:21:47 EDT
Unsubscribe please. Thanks.
| Message 30
Subject: Re: Animal heat
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:57:44 -0700
Very true Andrei, very true Bruce.
I have survived brutally cold winters in barn DIRECTLY
beside living
quarters in the army. There were few cows in the
stalls, the last to be
put down in the valley so we slept in straw bales 4
feet thick and still
froze. I remember we had an open hearth fire but at
that altitude the
chimney wasnt built for the "foehn" which pushes from
southern Europe
pushing all that smoke back down the smokestack. We
used to cough
ourselves to sleep in smoke down to 3 feet over the
ground.
One night in desperation I took out my gas mask, and
fell happily asleep
with it on
.good thing is with you smelling like
smoked sausages no
insects bit you
.:)
The houses Bruce describes are however not USUAL
living quarters but so
called "Alpenstockli" (Swiss German) where cowherders
keep a stock of
cows over the summer toi fatten. Thats why BOTH OF you
are right.
Andrei is right because he rightly said he never saw
"usual" living
quarters like that
. and he is right
Bruce is right
because it DOES
happen.
I read somewhere if I remember correctly that the
human body exudes
something like 3kw, I remember milking cows in winter
and seeing mist
rising off them in the stall.
Even a cow in labor in summer will blow steam!!
I used to love going to milk in the mornings, as the
quarters where I
were was so cold you could write your name in the
frost on the board
planks. It was a lovely chalet, 300 years old and as
so protected by
heritage laws, so it took a while to get permission to
change it. It was
a joy to go down beside the cows who were like literal
living "ovens".
Sorry
just got a bit reminiscent here
Mike
JAMAICA
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>
> Andrei over the years I've seen it done several
times in the National
> Geographic in Norway and in the Swiss Alps I believe
in the farm back
> country and than there is the stories told me by my
family elders which
> are mostly from Norway and Germany. It was once a
widely held practice
> especially in the mountains in northern Europe
> Bruce
| Message 31
Subject: Re: Animal heat
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:37:31 -0500 (CDT)
Kris I am always interested send it on
Bruce
| Message 32
Subject: Re: Animal heat
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:11:14 -0500 (CDT)
Leave it up to me to come up with some arcane European
hillbilly living
system. you know I think that such a farm house was in
the old move the
sound of music or one like it. Next I'll try to get
the Lapp landers
involved with their best known son Santa Clause and
undoubtedly one of
my great.great and maybe great Uncles
Bruce
| Message 33
Subject: Unsubscribe
From: Al Thompson
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:20:26 -0700
OK I've had enough.
Please get me off the list ASAP.
| Message 34
Subject: Re: Fish Species compatibility
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:00:10 -0500
Hi Chris,
Are these fingerlings from Kens's fish farm or did you
buy them locally?
SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:23 AM
Subject: Fish Species compatibility
I'm putting some blue gill fingerlings in my tank with
large goldfish and
Koi.
Am I looking for trouble.
Chris
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